Opinionated Voyager Episode Guide watches as Chakotay and Seven are stranded in an alien jungle, but things are complicated by an alien forcefield. Another reality show gone wrong.
Wouldn't it have been better if Mr Kleg, the flying instructor, had taken the controls at the end of the episode and showed Paris what you can really do in a shuttle with the gloves off. A line like, ''Get the hell out-ta the way; watch and learn kid'' might have been a bonus.
That's basically a good summation of the entire series. It could have been great, had all the individual building blocks for a good show, but they never put them together right. Wasted potential.
It's interesting how no Trek show has ever really addressed the fact that aliens have interfered with humans throughout history. Who Mourns for Adonais implies that the Greek god aliens were instrumental in building ancient Greek civilization. Gary 7 may have averted many potential disasters. If it wasn't for Quinn, Riker probably wouldn't have been born. Shouldn't there be more people who argue for helping to uplift primitive species since humans might not have developed or maybe even survived if it wasn't for alien interference. Can't it be argued that since humans benefitted from external interference, it is their moral duty to extend their help to others now that they are in a position to do so?
Not to mention that humanity would probably either be extinct, assimilated, or enslaved if Q hadn't gotten involved! Running into the Dominion or the Borg with the early-TNG "There's nothing out there that can threaten us." Optimism/arrogance combined with the ageing and shrinking fleets really would not have worked out well.
I think at the bare minimum there should be more people who argue that preventing a natural disaster doesn't go against the Prime Directive. Stopping a meteor from hitting a planet or preventing a planet from blowing up is a far cry from going down and making everyone dress up in classic Hugo Boss designer outfits.
@@JSmith99 The problem is they tried to apply an absolute all-encompassing rule to every situation rather than legitimately weighing their options to minimize cultural damage. Uplifting CAN be a very dangerous thing, but might actually be a good idea in some cases and the prime directive definitely seems to hobble even mutually beneficial trade.
I think that's always been the main problem with the Prime Directive's interpretation. Some think it means complete non-interference, period. Some think it only applies to interfering/interaction with pre-warp civilizations. In truth, it meant to prevent Starfleet from endangering developing civilizations or radically altering their natural development. In cases where civilizations are going to be wiped out or worse, it is Starfleet's moral duty to intervene and help them, and if possible by using the most covert methods.
Two-parters are where Star Trek shows really shine, especially with Voyager. It lets the ideas put forth have room to breathe, it gives the characters time to interact properly, develop natural arcs, and reinforce the themes in an entertaining manner.
If any of the season swap two-parters had actually been written as one long episode I might agree with you. But they're, each and every one, examples of the show written into a corner and usually failing the saving throw to make a coherent, satisfying finish of the story. Usually you get an asspull to resolve the situation.
@@boobah5643 Yes, on one side you have two-parters like "The Best of Both Worlds", which even worked despite being a season ending/beginning, on the other side are episodes like "Unimatrix Zero".
I liked the idea of Tom having to take a flying test .. I enjoy thinking at least one time they had to run into another “ Star fleet “ type organization. And they would have to follow the rules of a stronger but not an evil force ..
Especially since we’ve seen this same model survive largely intact and still able to send out a distress signal even after a civilisation ending polaric energy explosion in “Time And Again”.
@@KertaDrake It was more of a joke. And to your other post, it's the other way around. Tom is a mortal who gained immortal godhood and then turned it down because that was the mellow thing to do.
I would have peggied this as the last Voyager to cover. There's just so little to get into that wasn't covered in other PD episodes and they flaked out of the whole Seven / Chakotay thing. It was just forgetable.
Let us take a moment to admire how easily advanced technology can be broken. One would think an advanced alloy could take more of a blow then a single rock....
I do not remember this episode. Hilarious review though. Edit: there's a lot of improvements to life and survivability from technological advancements. Also, that was one of the biggest themes of Star Trek Voyager. Ignoring the consequences of actions and pressing the reset button.
I keep getting this one mixed up with the "planet in a sinkhole" and the indoctrinated warriors episodes as well as the whole "Native Americans were educated by aliens" episode... It's like they just threw several prior plots in a blender and made something too generic and forgettable yet somehow had a kernel of goodness appear by not going completely "PRIME DIRECTIVE PRIME DIRECTIVE LET THEM ALL DIE!"
Another episode with plenty of potential that falls short. I do wish it had been a two parter, so we could learn more about both. How does the Borg know about the primitive people? What are the advanced race actually like (because I'm guessing they aren't all DMV workers)? Would it be better to let the two species actually meet and co-mingle? But of course the writers couldn't/wouldn't deliver on any of it
At least the question about the Borg is answered: They assimilated the people who created the anti-energy-field, so thats why Seven recognized the tech. I don't think they know about the locals on this planet and even if they wouldn't care, because they have nothing to offer (except turning them into drones, but there are enough other populated planets in the galaxy.
Replicators are a wonderous thing... Too bad that in the setting they are so taken for granted that they never use them to their proper potential. The only case of it ever being used smartly was those self-replicating mines in DS9. Really, they should just be able to build a replicator that could pop out whole ships minus a few non-replicatable bits! The Federation should have been able to just pop out a Miranda every couple hours out of a single shipyard if they were using their tech properly.
@@KertaDrake "The only case of it ever being used smartly was those self-replicating mines in DS9." Weren't those, oh, a massive violation of conservation of energy - even more so than replicators are normally?
Probably, but in-setting I could at least see it being possible either with fusion or antimatter power. They never did say how fast they could regenerate their numbers. Standard fusion or antimatter power in the setting could potentially work if the remaining mines worked in concert with each other. Still probably a bit implausible, but Star Trek is full of weird exotic tech that could make up the gaps in efficiency, especially if the starter mines included extra material to use in building new mines.
It's nice the Ledonians invite people to their colony for a conference but don't tell them about the anti-energy field. But why warn them? It's funnier that way 😄 I agree, the discussion about what's best for the locals is cut way too short. If the aliens who constructed the shield asked the locals if they want their help and tried to explain the implications (as hard as that might be), this would be different. But as far as we know these aliens just made the decision for them. Imagine if Chakotay gives them the option to decide if they want the shield to go up again. And you also have a Ledonian there who tries to convince them that they only want to help. Chakotay could bring up the fate of his own people, but of course that's an extreme that may not happen here. For example today newly discovered tribes in the South American rainforest are not forced to change their way of life. They can take medicine and tech from the outside world, but they don't have to. But that would be way to complex for VOY.
KingO, yes I agree. One of the stupidest things I saw concerning the prime directive was Capt. Pike's decision not to help (more than he did) the Humans stranded on New Eden because they were a pre-warp society. Yeah, they were pre-warp maybe by ten years before they were saved by the Red Angle during a nuclear attack on a small town in Indiana in 2053. But Star Trek Discovery isn't really known for their good writing and story telling.
"this could have done with a two parter to explore--" lemme stop ya there, chuck... it wouldn't tho... we just would have had bellana trying to tektek a way to quantumroute their circocumblation, neelix wondering about the local cooking if this is pre his departure... dear god, chuck, they could have had harry make friends with primitive musicians by using a reed in a flute to make a clarinet!
I always thought the shield idea was pretty dumb. Because unless these people number in the tens of thousands spread across at least a small continent's worth of space, they would eventually die off, either from disease, or simply growing too numerous for a hunter-gatherer society to survive on. But the episode makes it sound like there's just a handful of these people, in which case if that's the case, they must be INSANELY in-bred.
And let's not forget that the advanced species on the planet could just send an expedition into the area to find the source of the dampening field and shut it down. It wasn't a shield that stopped people from getting in or the shuttle wouldn't have been able to crash inside the area. They just couldn't use modern tech (well that's not true either because the communicators, tricorder and the deflector worked inside the field. I might see this stopping the Borg because the benefits of getting inside are too low (just a few more drones), but people who already established a colony on the planed might be willing to put in the efford.
Thank you very much for making this video I absolutely adore your Star Trek Voyager continent would you please please please make a playlist with all of your Star Trek Voyager episode so that I don’t have to keep scrolling through trying to find them
I think Voyager's purpose is to present dilemmas to the audience to decide on the best course of action, not to decide the correct answer for us. TNG often beat the audience over the head with moral speeches and the like. Voyager just asks the question. Janeway's answer, since she is the captain, can often be correct or incorrect, and even hypocritical at times. She's the kind of captain the audience can feel free to agree or disagree with, or even agree with for better reasons. Ultimately, I think either answer is acceptable, though I would have left the barrier down. The Prime Directive doesn't apply to the situation. It may be the natural progression of this planet to have the modern species connect with their ancient practicing counterparts. That barrier could be seen as a prison, after all, and it's obvious that it stunted their development. And it isn't like these ancient people wouldn't have the freedom to return to the wilderness to practice their usual ways after having been educated. I'm sure many modern people would follow them and learn their ways as well, and perhaps even choose to live in the wilderness permanently. And on the other hand, you could say that dropping the barrier for the modern people interfered in their natural development in overcoming that barrier themselves, and that they should have to put the work in to advance their own technology enough to save their primitive neighbors who are still trapped. But as was said in the video, Starfleet has given technology to other warp-capable civilizations in the past. They could have done so here, with the working agreement that the modern people would take certain precautions to make sure not to alter the primitive people's way of life to quickly, and to take their physical and mental health into account, such as inadvertently introducing them to viruses carried by the modern society, or frightening them with technology or concepts they aren't mentally prepared for. The senior staff could have had this debate in the ready room. I think this was a great episode, and while it would have been nice to see Tom with a better story role, him being the one to save the day at the end made it worth it. I think the piloting lesson subplot was genuinely funny. They could have made it serious by going back into Tom's pilot error backstory, but it was fine keeping it light and humorous. Calling out the episode for lack of Chakotay x Seven development is unwarranted. I doubt the forced romance between them was even an idea when this episode was written. That would explain their lack of chemistry, and indeed outright conflict in many parts of the episode. Chakotay and Seven were never a good match for each other, and this episode shows it. Their ideals and thought processes are too opposed to each other.
If the show had explored Janeway's fallibility, I could see your point. Instead the show seems blissfully unaware; we get episodes like "Equinox" where we're supposed to contrast Ransom's 'bad' choices with Janeway's 'good' decisions.
@@boobah5643 I don't think that was a comparison/contrast episode. That was the "dark" episode, and Ransom was just another obstacle for the crew to overcome. Ransom was more of an example of the ends not justifying the means. Almost no Starship Captain would do what Ransom did. As for questioning Janeway, Tom defied her in 30 Days, at the encouragement of B'Lanna. And I think most agree Tom was right on that one. People disagreed with her on deleting The Doctor's memories as well. Even Tuvok went behind her back that time in an attempt to get the super warp technology. Janeway even questioned her own choice with the Caretaker's array. And of course Seven slams heads with Janeway all the time. Again, the show leaves it to the audience to decide. It doesn't say she's right or wrong for you.
the one thing that really bugs me is right at the beginning... they're on their way to a CONFERENCE?!?!? in the DELTA QUADRANT?!? Who the fuck even invited them to a conference?!?
I didn't even realize the show made an Asian driver joke until he pointed it out. I was wondering, why would it be funnier if Kim was getting the lessons until I realized he was asian and those stereotypes exist.
It's funny but I remember this episode being a lot better. I recall both species were unaware of the other and Voyager debated on shaking up their planet's society on a political and biological level.
I apologize, but I was confused by the wording at the start of this review. This is no longer the last Voyager episode not covered before? It is? How many more episodes are there left to review that have not been done yet?
Yeah, in retrospect I could've worded that better. It was the last episode of the series, chronologically, that I haven't done. I can't recall how many are left, but it's not many.
@@sfdebrisred6555 The last time we get to hang with voyager..... In a twisted way, I've grown found of them. Well, your versions. Glad we have a few more adventures before the end. What to do for the final review?
I'll admit that I haven't watched this show before and am going only on these reviews. But did they do anything of substance with Tom Paris? Because I feel like anytime he comes up it's...stuff like this or the weird AI shuttle episode. Then again, I feel like that can be said for Chakotay and Harry too.
Tom Paris probably has the most gradual and best character development over the whole show. He starts off as a cynical ex-con with trust issues and a chip on his shoulder. Quickly befriends Harry Kim and watches out for him, falls in love with B'Elanna and becomes a Dad by the end. Oh and he has to figure out his terrible relationship issues with his own father time to time. Great stuff!
@@Redrally he was also an expert in.. whatever the plot needed really. History buff for sure, but also commando abilities, engineering, design, became a nurse because of 2 semesters of bio-chem (the one job he hated).
This is a horrible episode, dreadfully boring. "Voyager" had a lot of bad episodes--most of them, in my opinion--but this is one of the worst offenders. When science fiction offers so much wonder and so many possibilities, how do they end up coming up with such aggressive mediocrity?
Wouldn't it have been better if Mr Kleg, the flying instructor, had taken the controls at the end of the episode and showed Paris what you can really do in a shuttle with the gloves off. A line like, ''Get the hell out-ta the way; watch and learn kid'' might have been a bonus.
_The episode had all the elements to be a classic, it just failed to make use of them_ - in other words, classic Voyager.
yep
If so, it's a worthy episode to go out on.
That's basically a good summation of the entire series.
It could have been great, had all the individual building blocks for a good show, but they never put them together right. Wasted potential.
It's interesting how no Trek show has ever really addressed the fact that aliens have interfered with humans throughout history. Who Mourns for Adonais implies that the Greek god aliens were instrumental in building ancient Greek civilization. Gary 7 may have averted many potential disasters. If it wasn't for Quinn, Riker probably wouldn't have been born.
Shouldn't there be more people who argue for helping to uplift primitive species since humans might not have developed or maybe even survived if it wasn't for alien interference. Can't it be argued that since humans benefitted from external interference, it is their moral duty to extend their help to others now that they are in a position to do so?
Not to mention that humanity would probably either be extinct, assimilated, or enslaved if Q hadn't gotten involved! Running into the Dominion or the Borg with the early-TNG "There's nothing out there that can threaten us." Optimism/arrogance combined with the ageing and shrinking fleets really would not have worked out well.
I think at the bare minimum there should be more people who argue that preventing a natural disaster doesn't go against the Prime Directive. Stopping a meteor from hitting a planet or preventing a planet from blowing up is a far cry from going down and making everyone dress up in classic Hugo Boss designer outfits.
That's a good point, the show really has dug its own grave with that unintentional double standard.
@@JSmith99 The problem is they tried to apply an absolute all-encompassing rule to every situation rather than legitimately weighing their options to minimize cultural damage. Uplifting CAN be a very dangerous thing, but might actually be a good idea in some cases and the prime directive definitely seems to hobble even mutually beneficial trade.
I think that's always been the main problem with the Prime Directive's interpretation. Some think it means complete non-interference, period. Some think it only applies to interfering/interaction with pre-warp civilizations. In truth, it meant to prevent Starfleet from endangering developing civilizations or radically altering their natural development. In cases where civilizations are going to be wiped out or worse, it is Starfleet's moral duty to intervene and help them, and if possible by using the most covert methods.
Voyager crashed yet another shuttle? I'm not surprised... And it wasn't the flat-pack model? Now THAT'S surprising!
had to get one more in before the finale
Two-parters are where Star Trek shows really shine, especially with Voyager. It lets the ideas put forth have room to breathe, it gives the characters time to interact properly, develop natural arcs, and reinforce the themes in an entertaining manner.
If any of the season swap two-parters had actually been written as one long episode I might agree with you. But they're, each and every one, examples of the show written into a corner and usually failing the saving throw to make a coherent, satisfying finish of the story. Usually you get an asspull to resolve the situation.
@@boobah5643 Yes, on one side you have two-parters like "The Best of Both Worlds", which even worked despite being a season ending/beginning, on the other side are episodes like "Unimatrix Zero".
I liked the idea of Tom having to take a flying test .. I enjoy thinking at least one time they had to run into another “ Star fleet “ type organization. And they would have to follow the rules of a stronger but not an evil force ..
How fragile are those combadges that they can be completely shattered by being hit with a rock while sitting on soft dirt?
Especially since we’ve seen this same model survive largely intact and still able to send out a distress signal even after a civilisation ending polaric energy explosion in “Time And Again”.
Janeway deliberately gave Chakotay one made from tin foil in the hopes he'd get lost and she could leave him.
@@mb2000 Hey that was an explosion and not a rock - totally different! 😄
Has to fight a champion for his freedom.
Yeah, I did not eaven consider you were fibbing for a second.
I was actually nodding my head along with Chuck as he said that...yep, Voyager's tendencies set me up for that one
Paris has a variety skills and knowledge.
He could've made them all immortal gods.
Are we sure he isn't just an alien that posed as human gods in the past a lot and then mellowed out eventually to just enjoy life as a normal person?
Nah. Chances are he would have poisoned their culture with badly written B movie ideas.
@@BelieveIt1051 But quite a bit of mythology plays out like a mix of B movies and soap operas! Just take a look at the shenanigans of Zeus!
@@KertaDrake It was more of a joke. And to your other post, it's the other way around. Tom is a mortal who gained immortal godhood and then turned it down because that was the mellow thing to do.
I would have peggied this as the last Voyager to cover. There's just so little to get into that wasn't covered in other PD episodes and they flaked out of the whole Seven / Chakotay thing. It was just forgetable.
Let us take a moment to admire how easily advanced technology can be broken.
One would think an advanced alloy could take more of a blow then a single rock....
Chuck posts a new video
Me: *Looks at the title* Do we have to?
To be fair, if he skipped it there would be a good chance that no one would have noticed due to how forgettably average this episode was.
Personaly i found the B-Plot with Toms driving lessons more interesting then the actual Episode.
I don't know how I ever lived without these!
I want a blanket covered in Skittles!
So the B plot in this one is literally the Dragonball Z episode where Goku and Piccolo learn to drive.
Yeah, I didn't even blink at the "duel a champion of their choosing" bit.
The only thing I remember about this episode;
Chakotay: _beats ground_ "River!" _points_
Yes, I was fully willing to believe violations of local space traffic laws result in a duel against the local champion.
On the other hand, also willing to believe they just go "okay, take some Driver's Ed courses"...
I do not remember this episode. Hilarious review though.
Edit: there's a lot of improvements to life and survivability from technological advancements.
Also, that was one of the biggest themes of Star Trek Voyager. Ignoring the consequences of actions and pressing the reset button.
I keep getting this one mixed up with the "planet in a sinkhole" and the indoctrinated warriors episodes as well as the whole "Native Americans were educated by aliens" episode... It's like they just threw several prior plots in a blender and made something too generic and forgettable yet somehow had a kernel of goodness appear by not going completely "PRIME DIRECTIVE PRIME DIRECTIVE LET THEM ALL DIE!"
What you wanted was a good science fiction story and character growth. What you got was Star Trek: Voyager.
Another episode with plenty of potential that falls short. I do wish it had been a two parter, so we could learn more about both. How does the Borg know about the primitive people? What are the advanced race actually like (because I'm guessing they aren't all DMV workers)? Would it be better to let the two species actually meet and co-mingle? But of course the writers couldn't/wouldn't deliver on any of it
At least the question about the Borg is answered: They assimilated the people who created the anti-energy-field, so thats why Seven recognized the tech. I don't think they know about the locals on this planet and even if they wouldn't care, because they have nothing to offer (except turning them into drones, but there are enough other populated planets in the galaxy.
How many shuttles have they gone throughout the series. I think the mass of all the shuttles could have made another voyager.
About 17 definitely or probably lost, plus a Delta Flyer.
Replicators are a wonderous thing... Too bad that in the setting they are so taken for granted that they never use them to their proper potential. The only case of it ever being used smartly was those self-replicating mines in DS9. Really, they should just be able to build a replicator that could pop out whole ships minus a few non-replicatable bits! The Federation should have been able to just pop out a Miranda every couple hours out of a single shipyard if they were using their tech properly.
@@KertaDrake "The only case of it ever being used smartly was those self-replicating mines in DS9." Weren't those, oh, a massive violation of conservation of energy - even more so than replicators are normally?
Probably, but in-setting I could at least see it being possible either with fusion or antimatter power. They never did say how fast they could regenerate their numbers. Standard fusion or antimatter power in the setting could potentially work if the remaining mines worked in concert with each other. Still probably a bit implausible, but Star Trek is full of weird exotic tech that could make up the gaps in efficiency, especially if the starter mines included extra material to use in building new mines.
@@KertaDrake That would mean the mine would need more material to be created than it takes to create itself...
It's nice the Ledonians invite people to their colony for a conference but don't tell them about the anti-energy field. But why warn them? It's funnier that way 😄
I agree, the discussion about what's best for the locals is cut way too short. If the aliens who constructed the shield asked the locals if they want their help and tried to explain the implications (as hard as that might be), this would be different. But as far as we know these aliens just made the decision for them.
Imagine if Chakotay gives them the option to decide if they want the shield to go up again. And you also have a Ledonian there who tries to convince them that they only want to help. Chakotay could bring up the fate of his own people, but of course that's an extreme that may not happen here. For example today newly discovered tribes in the South American rainforest are not forced to change their way of life. They can take medicine and tech from the outside world, but they don't have to.
But that would be way to complex for VOY.
This episode is pretty typical of Voyager... just another episode of endless missed potential.
KingO, yes I agree. One of the stupidest things I saw concerning the prime directive was Capt. Pike's decision not to help (more than he did) the Humans stranded on New Eden because they were a pre-warp society. Yeah, they were pre-warp maybe by ten years before they were saved by the Red Angle during a nuclear attack on a small town in Indiana in 2053. But Star Trek Discovery isn't really known for their good writing and story telling.
"this could have done with a two parter to explore--"
lemme stop ya there, chuck...
it wouldn't tho...
we just would have had bellana trying to tektek a way to quantumroute their circocumblation, neelix wondering about the local cooking if this is pre his departure...
dear god, chuck, they could have had harry make friends with primitive musicians by using a reed in a flute to make a clarinet!
Why not try using Energizer batteries to restart the warp core? Probably would have worked too.
I always thought the shield idea was pretty dumb. Because unless these people number in the tens of thousands spread across at least a small continent's worth of space, they would eventually die off, either from disease, or simply growing too numerous for a hunter-gatherer society to survive on. But the episode makes it sound like there's just a handful of these people, in which case if that's the case, they must be INSANELY in-bred.
And let's not forget that the advanced species on the planet could just send an expedition into the area to find the source of the dampening field and shut it down. It wasn't a shield that stopped people from getting in or the shuttle wouldn't have been able to crash inside the area. They just couldn't use modern tech (well that's not true either because the communicators, tricorder and the deflector worked inside the field.
I might see this stopping the Borg because the benefits of getting inside are too low (just a few more drones), but people who already established a colony on the planed might be willing to put in the efford.
Not to mention this shield would have to extend so far down into the surface as to make digging under it impossible.
Thank you very much for making this video I absolutely adore your Star Trek Voyager continent would you please please please make a playlist with all of your Star Trek Voyager episode so that I don’t have to keep scrolling through trying to find them
I think Voyager's purpose is to present dilemmas to the audience to decide on the best course of action, not to decide the correct answer for us. TNG often beat the audience over the head with moral speeches and the like. Voyager just asks the question. Janeway's answer, since she is the captain, can often be correct or incorrect, and even hypocritical at times. She's the kind of captain the audience can feel free to agree or disagree with, or even agree with for better reasons. Ultimately, I think either answer is acceptable, though I would have left the barrier down. The Prime Directive doesn't apply to the situation. It may be the natural progression of this planet to have the modern species connect with their ancient practicing counterparts. That barrier could be seen as a prison, after all, and it's obvious that it stunted their development. And it isn't like these ancient people wouldn't have the freedom to return to the wilderness to practice their usual ways after having been educated. I'm sure many modern people would follow them and learn their ways as well, and perhaps even choose to live in the wilderness permanently.
And on the other hand, you could say that dropping the barrier for the modern people interfered in their natural development in overcoming that barrier themselves, and that they should have to put the work in to advance their own technology enough to save their primitive neighbors who are still trapped. But as was said in the video, Starfleet has given technology to other warp-capable civilizations in the past. They could have done so here, with the working agreement that the modern people would take certain precautions to make sure not to alter the primitive people's way of life to quickly, and to take their physical and mental health into account, such as inadvertently introducing them to viruses carried by the modern society, or frightening them with technology or concepts they aren't mentally prepared for. The senior staff could have had this debate in the ready room.
I think this was a great episode, and while it would have been nice to see Tom with a better story role, him being the one to save the day at the end made it worth it. I think the piloting lesson subplot was genuinely funny. They could have made it serious by going back into Tom's pilot error backstory, but it was fine keeping it light and humorous.
Calling out the episode for lack of Chakotay x Seven development is unwarranted. I doubt the forced romance between them was even an idea when this episode was written. That would explain their lack of chemistry, and indeed outright conflict in many parts of the episode. Chakotay and Seven were never a good match for each other, and this episode shows it. Their ideals and thought processes are too opposed to each other.
If the show had explored Janeway's fallibility, I could see your point. Instead the show seems blissfully unaware; we get episodes like "Equinox" where we're supposed to contrast Ransom's 'bad' choices with Janeway's 'good' decisions.
@@boobah5643 I don't think that was a comparison/contrast episode. That was the "dark" episode, and Ransom was just another obstacle for the crew to overcome. Ransom was more of an example of the ends not justifying the means. Almost no Starship Captain would do what Ransom did.
As for questioning Janeway, Tom defied her in 30 Days, at the encouragement of B'Lanna. And I think most agree Tom was right on that one.
People disagreed with her on deleting The Doctor's memories as well.
Even Tuvok went behind her back that time in an attempt to get the super warp technology. Janeway even questioned her own choice with the Caretaker's array.
And of course Seven slams heads with Janeway all the time.
Again, the show leaves it to the audience to decide. It doesn't say she's right or wrong for you.
the one thing that really bugs me is right at the beginning...
they're on their way to a CONFERENCE?!?!? in the DELTA QUADRANT?!? Who the fuck even invited them to a conference?!?
They weren’t even in one of the minivan shuttles. That’s a guaranteed explosion. Shame.
When I think of someone with an ironclad grip on details and rules, I think "jobsworth".
I had completely blocked the "Star Trek makes an Asian driver joke" moment from my brain, but am not in the least bit shocked.
I didn't even realize the show made an Asian driver joke until he pointed it out. I was wondering, why would it be funnier if Kim was getting the lessons until I realized he was asian and those stereotypes exist.
What does everyone think of Janeways black op's team "Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force"
This is my problem with the Prime Directive. It is an attempt to fit a single solution to an array of complex issues.
O-si-yo, U-li-he-li-s-ti Da-ni-s-ta-yo-hi-hv Hello Merry Christmas in the Cherokee language.
If I can learn opera from Looney Toons (and one episode of Courage the Cowardly Dog) there's no reason you can't learn history from Earnest.
I don't think you did Someone To Watch Over Me, or Gravity. You know, the good ones.
Why would Janneway even bother with this flying lesson thing, since I assume these people SHOULD have no idea how to pilot a Federation ship.
It would be reasonable (for certain values of 'reasonable,' I admit) to have them teach Tom the rules of the 'road.' Less so 'How I fly ship?'
Who were they going to ask?
You should really eat Harry. Look at his combadge. Wearing it on the right side rather than the left side, he deserves to be dinner.
It's funny but I remember this episode being a lot better. I recall both species were unaware of the other and Voyager debated on shaking up their planet's society on a political and biological level.
You probably corrected many mistakes of the episode in your head ...
I apologize, but I was confused by the wording at the start of this review. This is no longer the last Voyager episode not covered before? It is? How many more episodes are there left to review that have not been done yet?
Yeah, in retrospect I could've worded that better. It was the last episode of the series, chronologically, that I haven't done. I can't recall how many are left, but it's not many.
@@sfdebrisred6555 The last time we get to hang with voyager..... In a twisted way, I've grown found of them. Well, your versions. Glad we have a few more adventures before the end. What to do for the final review?
I'll admit that I haven't watched this show before and am going only on these reviews. But did they do anything of substance with Tom Paris? Because I feel like anytime he comes up it's...stuff like this or the weird AI shuttle episode. Then again, I feel like that can be said for Chakotay and Harry too.
Tom Paris probably has the most gradual and best character development over the whole show. He starts off as a cynical ex-con with trust issues and a chip on his shoulder. Quickly befriends Harry Kim and watches out for him, falls in love with B'Elanna and becomes a Dad by the end. Oh and he has to figure out his terrible relationship issues with his own father time to time. Great stuff!
If the character wasn't named "Janeway" "Seven of Nine" or "The Doctor", they didn't do a lot of substance with them.
@@Redrally he was also an expert in.. whatever the plot needed really. History buff for sure, but also commando abilities, engineering, design, became a nurse because of 2 semesters of bio-chem (the one job he hated).
@@Redrally He was a Dad long before the end.
Remember Threshold?
@@schweitzer-man6227 No one discusses Threshold 😶
This is a horrible episode, dreadfully boring. "Voyager" had a lot of bad episodes--most of them, in my opinion--but this is one of the worst offenders. When science fiction offers so much wonder and so many possibilities, how do they end up coming up with such aggressive mediocrity?