Buddhism's Second Noble Truth
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- What is the Second Noble Truth of Buddhism? We'll look at this truth of samudaya through a dive into the Buddha's definition of it in his first sermon.
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Thank you for your thoughtful attention to detail!
You're very welcome Dosia, I try! 😄
Ohhh okay, I think I get it now. So it’s intense desire (craving) that leads to suffering, so desire itself doesn’t necessarily cause suffering, hence we can meditate for a purpose, as long as we don’t let that purpose dominate us and become a craving.
That's about Right. You seem to have gotten the jist of it. I would add a little more. It's not just craving, but also aversion. It's not just Craving something Positive but also Wanting to be away from Negative. The Idea is to NOT be Attached to Either !
Now, let's come to the Meditation part. There are different types of Meditation. Since you talked about 'Meditation for a Purpose', lemme talk about something similar. The 4 Brahmaviharas. What are they ? Meditation on 4 Virtues, namely Loving Kindness, Compassion, Sympathetic Joy and Equanimity. If you Meditate on these Virtues, you purify your mind. These Meditation Techniques help you to get rid of your Mental Defilements. So, Buddhists Cultivate Ethical Values, Experientially. And, instead of saying 'We are supposed to Meditate for a Purpose', you should say 'We should Meditate on something SKILLFUL' 😄
Right John, I did an earlier video on desire where I discussed a bit about how desires can be skillful or unskillful: czcams.com/video/VeShNoUXnxw/video.html We're trying to eliminate the unskillful ones.
Problem is John, that everyone does "let that purpose dominate them and become a craving."
It's all Buddhist thought desires'..the 'spiritual seeker ego' that is followed until it is seen...
As always some great insights and thoughts Doug, much love! 🌹
Thanks very much Mark!
Hello, I'm Maria, 20 y.o. . Thank you very much for your videos. You look and sound great! These works help me to understand Buddhism deeply
You're very welcome Maria, my pleasure!
You are my favorite Buddhist CZcamsr. Thank you for your videos brother!!!
Very kind of you to say! 🙏😊
Have you studied Taoism as well? I find myself more attracted to Buddhism but I have noticed they make a decent point of Taoism being a bit more positive. A video on some of the differences in outlook and approach would be awesome if you feel up to it! Just a suggestion. Really glad you’re doing this series to btw
I feel mahayana buddhism in general is more positive. I follow Zen Buddhism, so it really have this taoist flavour. When it doens't get carried away with alchemy and the persuit of immortality, taoism is great, the early classics of Tao Te Ching and Zhuangzi are amazing, and they also have meditation, breath exercises, Tai Chi Chuan, etc.
I also really apreciate Shin buddhism and Pure Land in general. It seems weird because it's devocional, but if you read Shinran it's very profound. Take a look at what the Channel acalaacala talks about it.
No Nathan. It is a MISTAKE to think that Buddhism has a Pessimistic Vibe. That's a Big Misunderstanding. Please watch Doug's video 'Is Buddhism Pessimistic ?'. He has explained it quite well !! 😄
I've looked a little into Taoism but don't feel I know it well enough to do a video on. Taoism in many respects is similar to Zen practice, and I have a couple of videos on Zen, for example: czcams.com/video/lRAW-GN4TUA/video.html
@@ResourcefulNomad It's not clear to me whether Zen was changed by Taoism or whether it simply was successful in China because it was so similar to Taoism. The histories I've read so far suggest the latter, but I am not an expert on this area.
Love this series, Doug! And that your videos are long takes, where you just talk, and more or less only cut to a different view. Keep it up :)
My pleasure Emil, glad you enjoy the format! 🙏🙂
When the sutta says we should abandon the sacca of the origin of dukkha, sacca means the reality that is this origin, the reality that is craving. Sacca means both truth and reality. I see the 4 ariya-saccas not as 'noble truths' but as 'realities for the noble ones', that is, key aspects of life that stream-enterers and other noble ones are attuned to ...
Yes, that's a good way to look at them Peter, and I'm aware of your excellent paper on "The Four Ariya-saccas as ‘True Realities for the Spiritually Ennobled’". I didn't want to get into questions over how properly to translate the phrase in these videos, since for intro videos "Noble Truths" has become standardized and flows a little easier. Might be something for me to do anther video on, though!
Hello Doug,
I just wanted to say thank you for all of the videos. I am still very new to Dharma practice, and these videos really help clarify many things from a great perspective. May you be well sir.
Jason C.
You are very welcome Jason, thanks for your comment!
"Perhaps you prefer a more active life, the beauty of running in the fields ... or whatever" I love this
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Thank you for all these great videos
My pleasure Stormy, glad you like them!
Great video, thanks
You're very welcome Kunal! 🙏
Yes Doug very nice video! 👍
Even in this life we can see the workings of craving, not many people have the wisdom to see how the mind is constantly grasping on one thing and moving to the next. Like a never ending monkey moving from tree branch to another branch. And with meditation it only becomes much more clearer, understanding the way the mind operates and how craving/5 hindrances can disrupt the mind from concentration.
Even though we understand that through words and Buddha’s words. It doesn’t mean we fully understand craving. To fully understand craving, cannot be done in an instant. It’s a gradual process of practice, that could carry on to many lifetimes. Think about how one doesn’t become a grandmaster in an instant. It’s a gradual process of learning and understanding the game of chess.
Craving is an issue, as it carries forwards from each of our future lifetimes. Just like how the first noble truth can be fully realised by Developing wisdom. It’s the same with the second noble truth.
And yes, we have to uproot/abandon all groups of craving to be completely devoid of Dukkha.
Listening to scholars talking about translating issues will not help us understanding the truths of suffering. I don’t believe anything was lost from the Buddhist scriptures, the Dhamma was kept and secured well all these times due to the previous enlightened monks that lived and their disciples that came after them. The pure words of Gautama Buddha still exists, for now. It won’t be very long till the four noble truths vanishes completely, as the Buddha said it is something bound to happen.
So we are very very fortunate to be able to learn the 4 noble truths and practise Buddha’s teachings 🙏🏽
Looking forward to the next video Doug!
Thanks Yasith, yes understanding the words and concepts is one thing and releasing craving is another. Still, it's important to get the words and concepts right so we know we're headed in the right direction. 🙂
Very good thank you
Thank you too! 🙏
Thanks for these recent uploads! this is the first time I've heard the term samudaya, I always associated Tanhā as the 2nd noble truth, but I suppose that's a more specific term for desires generally rather than the noble truth itself
That's right, it's kind of surprising that it's known as the noble truth of "origin", that is the origin of dukkha. I also tend to think of it as the truth of taṇhā! 😄
There is a great benefit of great age; the abandonment of craving for stuff, for things to change; for people to be different than they are.
But, if not a craving, at least a desire for a 'good' death.
Thank you, Doug
Yes, with age often comes wisdom. Not always, but often! 🙏😊
So deep !
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So well explained. I've only just started watching the videos on your channel and I'm curious, in which field of study is your PhD on? Buddhist Studies? ( Apologies if you have already mentioned this information in a previous video).
Ah, my PhD is in philosophy, though I was doing a minor in South Asian Studies while I was doing the PhD. 🙂
That's great! Thank you for the response.
Love the channel
Thanks Robert! 🙏
What the 2nd Noble Truth is saying is that everything that we have been taught to love and cherish is the cause of our Dukkha. It is a very challenging concept to accept!
Well, yes and no. It's not the things that cause our dukkha, it's our *reaction* to the things that cause our dukkha. We tend to cling to them! That's to say, our ordinary love and cherishing are ego-directed and so not entirely benign. We need to retrain our love and cherishing to be more like lovingkindness. 🙂
I think buddha meant to say: “Abandon the TRUE origin of suffering”. He just wanted to add truth as a description.
Hi Doug,. Long time since my last comment to your videos. Right now we are teaching the four noble truths. I understand that we have three cravings or tanhās (crave to have, crave to be and crave not to be), and as these cravings are not fully satisfied, we suffer. But I have read some teachings talking about how we suffer because of four Upadana. What is the difference between Tanhā and Upadana? How do they relate to Dukkha?
Hi Jorge, great to hear from you again! Yes, upādāna (clinging) is another way to approach the issue. I think it overlaps with craving, and should be understood as sort of a different perspective on the same basic problem of emotional attachment. We grow attached to things, we identify with things: this can be seen in cravings and clingings. In any case, when the thing changes, or when we change, then we suffer.
Doug, thank you for your always great and interesting explanations. CZcams has the big advantage that you talk to everybody without distinction and without restriction... also to me. Which you might give up after a short time if you had me sitting in a class somewhere. Now, considering the first 2 noble truths I have big doubts. I compare my life to a river. It goes through beautiful and ugly landscapes. In the end it's not concerned with what these landscapes are or whether it goes fast or slow or in which direction it flows. And also not that eventually it will spill into the ocean or dry up or soak the earth and disappear. It's just a river. It's glorious as long as it lasts and then it will be gone. Why should I be concerned about things that are not happening (yet)? Why should I not be concerned about things that are happening (now)? Why is the general assumption that I do not accept my life the way it is?
If you're truly able to accept all that happens with equanimity, without greed or hatred, then you don't need to go any farther.
@@DougsDharma I try. The thing is it has to happen involontarily. 😀😀😀. Great answer though.
Doug, thank you again for an insightful video. I have heard you address this topic of vibhava-tanha before and I disagree with you about its meaning (though I have no sources to offer). My opinion is that an example of craving for annihilation is the business person coming home after a long week and reaching for scotch and a remote control. Or the various things people do to deal with stress that aren't particularly skillful. I also believe this is at play in the kinds of actions we see around vulnerability -- the actions that seem rigid or angry and seek to deny that shame or vulnerability even exist. That is, I see the annihilation as a strong desire to be another person in another situation, disgust with current circumstances or our own actions. To my mind vibhava-tanha is an aspect of aversion spoken of in the three kleshas.
Do you believe this is a fair assessment? I wonder if the early texts offer more clarity around this aspect of craving?
I agree but also think these concepts apply on both a small scale and bigger picture of life since in a way, people live many lives within one life. We wish for the things that make us feel fully alive and joyful to last forever, just as we often wish that life itself would go on forever. And for those who purposefully deaden their pain through self-destructive behaviors and habits, thoughts of permanent end to life's suffering are more likely to creep in. In both situations you willingly harm yourself to be in an altered state, with varying levels of consequence and permanence.
Well, it might be that the business person coming home after a long week and reaching for scotch is in a sense reaching for self-annihilation. One understanding of aversion is annihilation, either of the thing that annoys us or of ourselves if we annoy ourselves. So while extreme annihilationism may involve suicidal ideation, there are also less extreme forms of it that we indulge in as well. If that's what you're getting at then I agree! 🙂
@@DougsDharma Yes, exactly. I consider Prince Siddhartha's decision to leave his father's home to be, in part, a destruction of his previous self in this sense.
Hi may I ask the sources or reference you used? Thank you so much
Sure, the sutta is linked in the description. If there is some other passage you're thinking of, let me know.
Thank you, Doug! How does one abandon craving when it is a natural tendency?
That is what the Eightfold Path is all about.
@@DougsDharma Thank you, Doug!
I am budddist.... Proud to be a buddhist I from Bangladesh in Chittagong hill tracks.
I hope one day you will be visit in Bangladesh..
Most of the people in Chittagong hill tracks they are also bhuddism 🥰
But day by day Buddhism people decrease in here 😪because in here don’t have any Buddist temple
Before fewdays some Muslim people broke the monastery😭😭😭
Currently, a Buddhist center is being set up in kagrachari🥰🙏🙏🙏
How is the situation of Buddhists in Bangladesh good?
Do Chakma and Marma have the support of Bengali Buddhists?
What's your country name brother??
@@gyanaronjonchakma826 Sri Lanka
Thanks Gyanaronjon! Let's practice kindness and work for a better, more harmonious future. 🙏
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Its not that there is sufferenig in life but on lifes SITUATIONS.
I dont accept that " Life is suffering"
Right, there is suffering in clinging to things that pass away.
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Thank you very much for your video! But I have a question as a beginner buddhist - I don't really get how should we treat our goals/dreams. For example, I had a goal to move in Austria since I was a teen, and I work hard for my dream. But I know that even if I won't make it, it's ok and I still can be happy. Is it an appropriate, since I'm not attached to this dream, or should I abandon all of my goals because they're all cravings in the end? Thank you 😊
Great question ENIO. I don't think it's possible to live a life without goals, that would be very difficult! The main issue then is to find goals that are healthy and skillful, and as you say not grow too attached to them. We have to know that not all goals are necessarily achievable, and both we and the goal itself may change over time. I did a video on Buddhism and ambition awhile back that might be useful: czcams.com/video/DF4rdQ7FRFY/video.html
@@DougsDharma Thank you for your answer 🙏 I'll try to find the balance!
Iin this video, you explain bhava-tanhā and vibhava-tanhā as desire for immortality and desire for anihilation. Recently I came across another translation for bhava-tanhā and vibhava-tanhā, the desire to become and the desire to get rid of. Ajahn Amaro referred to them as reasons why the Buddha was so hesitant to teach what he had learned. People would not be able to understand it because they were addicted to becoming: a belief in an ego-self that is permanent, etc. In your studies, have you found anything like this in the early texts?
Well I'm not sure about it's being reflected in the early texts, but in principle I don't see a problem with understanding them that way. It's basically taking a broader view of what they might mean.
Wouldn't the desire to abandon craving be a form of craving?
It might be. It could also be a healthy form of desire. See: czcams.com/video/ZTqibLMY1LM/video.html
It has the potential to become a craving if we grasp too much at the idea of abandoning our cravings.
For example, I love to weight train but dislike cardio. I would love to get to a point where I can like or tolerate cardio. I thought that each time I struggled to get on the treadmill, I was failing to reduce my craving for avoiding all things cardio. This made me upset and I suffered for it. However when I just accepted the reality that I dislike cardio and don't necessarily have to like it, I was able to start doing it. I still dislike it but there is less resistance to doing it now.
I was craving the abandoning of craving, but was able to stop this and allow it to exist as a healthy desire.
Can you please quote the Pali statement you think is not correct? Listen from 12:55
"‘Taṁ kho panidaṃ dukkhasamudayaṃ ariyasaccaṃ pahātabban’ti me, bhikkhave, ..." (From SuttaCentral: suttacentral.net/sn56.11/en/sujato). The Pāli scholar KR Norman has a paper on the Four Noble Truths where he argues essentially that "ariyasaccaṃ" was a later addition.
Hey doug, is there anywhere I can send you a private message or email perhaps? I wanted to ask a question but I dont know if it would be right to ask here in comments. I wanted to talk about r/buddhism
I'm not really familiar with r/buddhism ...
Yes Chakma, marma and bengali that means (barua) they are also Buddhist also mro,tanchangya, chak.. Unfortunately some indigenous people they are convert to other religion (islam,christian) only for money because the indigenous people they are very poor😥😥
I must say I am a bit cynical, that is not pretty I know.
So some time I think that the time of the Buddha had to come with a theory that makes people that need the stick to act good and they came with the transmigration thing so that they have to act good or be kind with other being because they might end as a dog or that their grand grand dad is now a dog so they nedd to be nice with it.
It is more social thing and it is not pretty I know.
But really, thank you for the real teachings.
You're very welcome, Avida. 🙏
I'll make a random comment as the last one is basically the same ^-^
Craving to not exist......oops............
What do you mean ?
@@DipayanPyne94 The desire to not exist is still a desire that causes suffering.
Ah yes absolutely. It's also a form of craving.
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