This Design of NAGA Race in WC3 is INSANE! - WC3 - Grubby
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This Design of NAGA Race in WC3 is INSANE! (Game played on 17-September-2023)
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years after the frozen throne’s release me and my friends were always hoping for a second expansion for a Naga race.
It's a pretty op race but very limited in its unit roster, which isn't a bad thing.
Better join the wc4 Club. Naga included!
@@gregor9734how
i said the same 18 years ago
Im still hoping
I kinda love how he went from “we should e-sports this map because it would bring attention to it and be fun and competitive” to “I love how broken this is and we should stop caring about balance and competitiveness if it means getting silly fun gimmicks like this” as he progressively read more and more of the race’s abilities and heroes
people don't know how to make a balanced and basic naga race for some reason
@@michalvrabec454"for some reason"? Maybe because it's just not possible?
it sure isn't with THAT mindset@@TheGrifhinx
@@TheGrifhinx why wouldnt it be ?
This race feels made for Grubby, cheesy units and structures, goofy Heros, to see you use the race vs other people would be fantastic
It seems SO cheeseable for rushes, bloodcastles, and just generally messing with opponents. I love it.
Love these videos, Grubby. It's very interesting watching you apply your deep knowledge of the melee meta to something which is new or hasn't been established yet. Will watch every video you put out for well designed stuff like this.
Grubby you must make this custom map tournament happen. This is an EXCELENT idea!
Yes! Love these custom race videos! ❤ This one seems like the best designed naga faction so far in terms of cool, unique mechanics
More nerubian and naga please!
the overseer got Slardar from Dota 2's voiceover. We're really starting to go full circle.
Innovative design tbh. The mechanics are cool and I think they can be balanced (you're gonna get Abduct and Conquer in mid-game, so no rushing opportunities. And the player could choose between squishier Turtle Caravan or tankier TC, and the enemy should counter accordingly)
Also, the Merciless One is the octopus-thingy on the sea giant's head, that's cool Old God lore!
I had been working on a map like this, only adding the Naga race though (No nerubians)
I had split up the Tavern heroes for races (Archemist and Tinker went to orc, for example, Dark Ranger to Undead and Naga sea witch obviously was a naga hero)
In addition I had created more heroes. (I used Jaina's sprite as a frost mage.)
Every race had 9 heroes to pick from, 8 at any time and a Tier 4 Flying hero (Tier 4 required a level 3 town hall, and a "Dragon nest" which is a new building every race got (Dragon nest was for orcs, but ever race had something similar) which allowed Orcs to summon a Dragon hero. Humans had a thunderbird. (I had custom models)
Also tier 4 gives acees to any hero you have not yet bought, does not need to be teh tier 4 hero itself)
Races had new units as well. like troll axe throwers which acted differently than headhunters, Along with Ogers. (Most things i will mention will be from the orc race as they were the most polished)
Blademaster's windwalk got a massive nerf, as now it could still be used as a harass, but not nearly as potent. It is much better as a disengage now. The illusion also got a nerf as now you get three, but they do not do damage (Level 2 they start doing damage, and you get four, then at level 3 you get five illusions and they do a bit more damage.)
This was all to encourage variety. Lich also got a major rework so Humans could have frost mage. (Archmage also lost water elemental in exchange for something different. Voidwalker. (Only get one but it is pretty beefy for a level 1 summon)
Many creep camps would respawn after a few minutes. And as the game progressed they would get stronger. (Expansions did not respawn creeps)
I also had a few modes to pick from.
Regular
Regular, no T4 hero (Still get 4 heroes but not the flying tier 4)
Hero frenzy (You can build any Hero from any race)
Hero Mayhem (And random heroes, tier 4 heroes disabled (You will never get a tier 4 hero, but you can still get your forth hero by building the dragon nest) This is also the only way to get brewmaster as a hero, along with pit lord and fire lord.
You could also select a setting to start with a random hero (T4 disabled)
I should also note that T4 is not extremely powerful in terms of a hero, it just has flight tacked on.
Undead heroes do not get buffs from being on blight. (Can't remember if they did in vanilla, but i know i made sure they did not, simply due to Mayhem being a mode my testers likes playing on a lot, and i did not want them whining becaus etehy got Death knight when playing night elf.
Speaking of death knight, his Death coil was reworked. it heals freindly units and damaged non friendly. So it can be used as pseudo-support even when there are no undead on your team.
There is no such things as medium or high upkeep, you will always remain in the green
Night elves cannot hide an unrooted tree of life. You won't lose if you have one, but you will still be revealed if you are not rooted.
Like i said a lot of reworked heroes. Beast master has a skin swap, and was buffed a given to teh orcs (They got 3 tavern heroes which is why they were the most polished) Their custom hero Was Ogre mage (Ogres were removed from the creep spawns)
I also had 7 maps. One highly favored naga as naga were amphibious and there were a lot of backdoors through water. The rest still allows amphibious to be valuable but not overpowered. Two ice levels, three tropical and one outlands. (Outlands was the worst for naga as it offered very little water, only gave a few shortcuts to disengage)
I was also working on making small sizes of the maps (As each one was 8 player FFA. ( teams also worked as the bases are close enough to assist allies but not so close that an FFA won't work)
I also had one that was 9 players. 3v3v3 only. but it was unfinished when i put the project on permanent hiatus. Plus WC3 got reforged and I gave up completely. If i were to ever get back into it, i would rather have a team.
(Undead got another Nerubian hero too, one that focused on debuffs) Was actually very useful for ganking a hero that was out of position (If you have the units to back it up) But can also disable the threats in an engagement. Bad by itself but great when use properly. One of my map testers would actually use it perfectly and began to main undead just to use that hero.)
And yes, there is an option to play a random race. It was a little buggy as it generally defaulted to human and sometimes it would not spawn a rooted or haunted mine if you did get Night elf or undead.
No, you could not play against CPU, i could not figure out how to script them so they would do stuff.
I do like the overseer feature in this. Would have been fun to tool around with. kind of like the queens from SC2.
Map name?
@@criticalerror361 i do not have it anymore and it was not designed for reforge anyway. I just called it Bryan's mod and then the map name and version. I would have given it a much better name if i ever publicized the maps. Like i said only my testers got to play. (LAN mode)
I loved those TFT maps where you played as Naga in the campaign. This is cool to see for multiplayer!
Grubby even as an adult channels his inner 8 year old and presses abilities before finishing reading them lol
It looks like the gold miners move faster in addition to the 15 gold mined. It looks like you might be able to efficiently add a 6th miner
but they should die on overwork or slow down with exhaustion
This makes no sense. You would need less workers, instead of more.
Love the idea of Azshara being an Arcane mage heroe (since she basically has Arcane spells from the wow class here).
always wished naga was a 5th playable race man
very cool and interesting
a lot of modders felt the same way, it's actually where a lot of people got into custom race creation in the first place :)
It's unfortunate blizzard went the way it went
That looks so good, I always wondered when I was young what would be a Playable Naga or a Unique Blood Elf race it would be!! Thanks for this!! 🥹
You could play Naga in the campaign tho
Always love the warcraft content; I do always wish you would do more custom maps. The is such a large variety with diverse strategies for different categories. I really think there are several maps you would thoroughly enjoy. I could see a string of matches of maps like the one in the video, "regular with extra races", followed by a variety of maps. I know Sodapoppin loves wc3 custom maps too and was playing it a couple months back i think. Which could act as a frame of reference for some potential maps. As always cool video & Keep it up!
wish naga summon water around their structure just like undeads corruption but its still great. my 3 wish for warcaft 4 races naga, centaurs, and furbolgs and maybe high elfs
I remember playing this map back in the day even though I could never really learn how to play the rts genre very well.
Crazy how good thiss is. Very creative and sound like much fun. Wish there would be a tournament with the new race
seeing custom maps in actual proper high-level play would be really sick!
I remember playing as this race modded years ago, the building animations etc gave me so many flashbacks oh my god dude
Funny, making maps, modes, races for WC3 was my beginning point in Game Development career for me. I also tried to make custom naga race once.
During that time i also for the first time encountered 3D models, UVs and how rendering worked from Duke Nukem 3D.
Good times.
honestly the Naga heroes seem so creatively designed, it would be super cool if they were available in the actual game
yeah it would be cool if they were available in the actual game, but the race itself isn't that good, the heroes could get a little adjustments
I hope Microsoft takes note and adds what Blizzard always failed to add to this game
I come back now, at the turn of the tide
I absolutely love this! The creator of this map is a master level.
We need Warcraft 4 with Naga as playable faction
Unfortunately, I feel as long as WoW lives, Warcraft will never have another iteration.
this is super duper creative, you gotta give him that
Build multiple tidal pools at home, make one at enemy base, and then move the guardian to the one at enemy base. Rotate them between that one tidal pool.
man this is amazing. Would love to see more players play it on a competetive level!
The demons were very interesting as well!! You played with them in one video
I used to play the map all the time that allowed naga and draenei. Ah such Nostalgia.
Those Nagas are dope!!
That'd be really cool if they added Naga officially eventually--everything in this custom race look really well done. Of course there needs to be some adjustments and some more units that could be added, but, it's the best I've seen so far.
If thinking about how it'd effect ranked-play is too much, then they can just allow it for unranked-play :)
Conquer doesn't seem as op as people make it out to be. Since it's a ultimate, it means it will only be avalaible from the midgame onward. This means that the units have to catch up technologically, which means extra res, which means less effective combat units. I think it'd work best to deny shops or against Nelven structures.
5am in my country grubby bringing a banger
I love how almost all heroes are intelligence based, because they were high elves that loved arcane magic. Except that beefy Naga Royal guard hero who can steal units and a structure and summon some units. That is so so cool. I would install back Warcraft to play some campaigns with this race, if someone would make it.
This is what reforge should have been, id play this game if they added these races
14:03 The BOTH Of you said '' Right '' you & this Naga hero hahaha EPIC! :D What a coincidence, or telepathy. :D YOU MUST BE REPTILE, ehem.. NAGA! :D ggwp
Loving this. Would like more!
1:04: Literally washed up.
Love you Grubby
I tried the mod, fantastic design and incredible creativity. I had a weird bug happen though, it seemed that the naga sirens lose all their mana whenever they gain the monsoon buff of the tidemistress aura when entering water, at least it seemed to be caused by that
Those Mur'gul slaves riding on tentacles look so hilarious. :D
Ok, I've seen many attempts at Naga over the years, but this one seems to be the best one by far!
Can we play online too ?
Warcraft RTS with all the races playable would be the greatest thing ever, prey warcraft 4 can do that one day, they can just add new races in as DLC, Murloc's quilboars, gnolls blood elves trolls taurens, Dwafts gnomes, Beast, its endless warcraft needs a new RTS and all the races need to be playable, add them all, they already have all the stats and HP of everything in warcraft time to turn them into the greatest RTS ever
more work went into this race than wc3 reforged
Taking over a building on a 1 minute cooldown but aura that increases your movement speed off-water is 5 minutes cooldown the balance is whacked.
Taking over enemy buildings is interesting though, Maybe a 2-3 minute cooldown on it.
Love these custom maps
I made a mod just like this when I was a child. I beat frozen throne and wanted to keep playing naga so badly I opened up the world editor and spent probably dozens of hours just taking all of the naga units and structures from campaign and making them into a new faction. Never released it because back then my family were still on dialup and I wasn't allowed to have an email account. But man. Talk about nostalgia. I didn't even think to combine the naga from the blood elf campaign with murlocs. So my faction wasn't as fully fleshed out.
can you conquer an enemy undead sac pit thats currently working, then cancel the acolyte and use it like a blood castle ? or maybe a full burrow
A banshee can steal a worker of any race in the original wc3, so stealing a builsing is balanced.
Grubby keep on doing good deeds
pretty impressive for a custom race from the geeky dork hive not gonna lie
most are fun but not good or creative
this was very creative. hope stormgate steams this and literally puts out a snake/naga/hive type of worm parasite race (not insectoid like zerg!!!)
By far the best NAGA is the EMPIRE OF THE TIDES LEGION Mod, although it is for wc3 1.26
Mindflay aura seems to be a direct counter to windwalk builds
Slardar voice lanes in war 3 loved
OP. But OG naga(from campaign) were even more OP, royal guardians are the same power level as heroes. They had abilities similar to cryplord swarm(but can also hit buildings), MK hammer and Archmage elemental. And this goes with 1350 hp, good dps and high movement speed, costs only 4 food.
Kinda makes you wonder what the story would have been if WOW never existed and it remained an RTS.
Kinda crazy how with everything that WOW has added and even changed around with the lore, that an RTS game on the side never was made. WC4 basically,
4:47 my guess is you can’t speed up town hall upgrade because you didn’t sack a Murloc for it. I’d guess it’s only for proper new construction by the description.
A lot of these ideas are from other rts or even mobas but man its still a lot of fun and cool looking
New masterpiece stuff you must create for this race naga grubby, because you are master with old races
Huh, interesting. I made a custom naga race YEARS ago. Think I uploaded some of the maps, too. This mod seems to use some of the ideas I had, which is pretty cool to see.
My mod was definitely playable and decently balanced, but not quite as polished and refined as this mod.
A legit game with naga = when? We need it - this is ton of fun!
Lol the Brainwash ability reminds me of something I made for banshees (I was giving each spellcaster 2 additional spells)
If I were to design a naga race I would add some faceless and old god related units to it, like how the undead have some burning legion units, the naga are servants of the old gods so I'd take that route.
A Naga Race and a Nerubian Race would be awesome!
I'd love to see this races in reforged with updated special models
Original nagas were busted.
Abominations with net at T1, kodo beasts with both thick skin and decent damage, the ranged unit with health of nerubian, damage of troll headhunter and slow poison of driad etc.
The smoked everything and everyone, especially with AIs perfect slow micro. The only thing they sucked with was they had no hero at their altair (and no T2/T3 even for tavern hero), which made things like Lich+DK an only option against them (do not compete at the game they are perfect in). These could be fun as they look pretty custom modified.
Hi would be nice on bigger maps, for ffa, or like 3v3. (but the download only contains very small maps) Cause most people are really more casual. Not everyone is about those competitive 1v1 maps. But you go from there, after you got to know the map in fun atmosphere, you will try the map vs players, maybe 1v1 then. Also this is nice to find players to play with quickly/quicker. (Because most casual they do not join a 1v1 match map, but what people join is vs AI, or bigger maps vs player because they can't rushed be so easily there. Don't forget: Casuals of today might be your next good enemy tomorrow! Just some minor feedback. Thanks for the map showcase, it seems less buggy than the 8 races map with demons and mech, which crashed almost each game at some point.
Would be interesting to see a group of pros balance the game with the map makers too man.
Pros know nothing about game design. Trust me we have a “pro council” patching SC2. It’s horse trading and I say that because I know their not just making changes to make them.
Now, rashing frost worms as naga shall be the new meta!
this was so cool.
There used to be an old map with 8 races. I think bonus ones were Naga, Drenai (W3 not wow), Chaos ork and satyrs. I wonder how many people still have it.
A little C&C would always be good my man
downloading warcraft 3 for the first time in fifteen years RIGHT NAOW
(do you know if this exists on original frozen throne? or do I need to buy remastered)
Is it possible to balance with other races? I always wonder how blizzard did balance for those 4 official races. It seems so complicated and even for now not completed
Liked the new content
where do i put the folder? which folder in W3 file?
Subscribed! 🎉
Ty
Looks very balanced :D
How do I install this game? is this just warcraft 3 and I have to install it and install warcraft?
it seems that the files for the map are damaged .. and we can not extract them ... from the zip folder . I've tried a lot .. but to no avail
Did he ever review the other race?
Grand idea.
A lot of very convoluted spells and abilities.
are these completely custom made, or is it reused cut content of the original ideas?
Would love to see Grubby doing Arkain series.
It would be great if there was the naga/blood elf campaign music
but i did this long time ago in my map named warcraft extended,its still in the website epicwar,made naga gnoll and goblin playeable
I've wanted to play Naga since 2002.
Bro cannot just make the same overpowered units that is seen from the frozen throne night elves campaign (the naga royal guard, Coatl, and tidal guardian tower). Also can you showcase the Nerubian race next?
i think it's pretty fine except for conquer and abduct, those seem very op
edit: turtle seems op too
naga overseer has the same voice actor as slardar on dota 2 or its only an impression?
hey bro why I can't see mana and health bar like you're and level
Glad the tidal pools cost food. Would be super cheesy to build a few in you own base, one near your oppenents, and juggle to reset their timers.
There was a custom map with Burning Legion as a faction and had Tichondrius (dreadlord) as a hero option with Reign of Chaos ability (summons multiple infernals) and has divine armor. Lol. Sooo imba.
Warcraft reforge ahould be a faction of different race like troll empire, naga, burning legion, neurubian, dragon etc