Empire and Rebels vs. Republic and CIS: Who Would Win? | Star Wars Galactic Versus
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- Rivals of different eras team up as the Galactic Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems team up to take on the Rebel Alliance and the Empire. All this and more on today's Star Wars: Galactic Versus episode.
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Today's idea was chosen by YOU on the discord. Today's video sees the Clone Wars go against the Galactic Civil War. The Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire will be taking on the Separatists (CIS, Confederacy of Independent Systems) and the Galactic Republic. Both sides have access to all of their assests, including Jedi, Sith, Superweapons, Fleets, and everything else! I'll be using Star Wars legends info today. I hope you enjoy today's Star Wars Galactic Versus episode!
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semen
Y'all mind if I.... FLEX
thanks for bringing galactic versus back
harrower class dreadnought vs victory 2 star destroyer
Eckhart were you on crack when you made this?
The prequel trilogy has mayor superweapons
The high ground and sand...
Sand does get everywhere
There was also the subjugators and the pride of the core
Dont forget the senate
Gaming Derek oh you mean sheev?
Wait what town/city do the high ground and Sand control
The Republic would win cause they can watch out for those wrist rockets
The wrist rockets they usually watch out for are on their side though
Also commando droids. Now seeing imperial troops get sliced from those vibro swords or close combat with BX-Commando droids instead of clones.
It's also probably going to be just like the simulations
They just have to set em up and knock em down.
The rebels have the best starships and the imps have the most hard hitting capital ships. So basically they are unstoppable
bruh imagine how awkward would a scene be with luke and darth vader teaming up against anakin and obi-wan
yes lmao
Vader and Anakin would be confused
@@atomicbuttocks I already hear darth Vaders *wat*
@@archferrier4482 Anakin: pikachu face
@@deadzone4155 :O
This video makes it clear that the Rebel Alliance has the thickest plot armor in history of everything.
The Rebels practically invented plot armor.
@@proudamerican183 its so thick ud need a lightsaber to cut through it
@@archferrier4482 A huge lightsaber. Like Death Star huge lightsaber.
@@proudamerican183 u need star killer base to penetrate it
Rebels couldn’t win on military power alone they had to take advantage of the self defeating fascist ideology of the empire. Of the rebel can take out a space station people on oppressed planets will revolt and rise up. Rebels always beat the empire due to the nature of the empire and the emperor
I like how this was basically the empire vs the cis and republic lmao
What do you mean?
@@robiagacitei5487 wow you're late I'd say you'd be fun at parties but no one would be there xD
LoL
What he means is the empire in this video basically did every he hardly mentioned the rebel it was the empire he was pretty much say could fight the republic an cis
@@billcipher9068 damn bro you killed him
Clones can aim
Stormtroopers cannot.
Self explanatory.
TheSyndicalistDragon A new hope
The force kept the stormtroopers from shooting correctly perhaps
How about the B1 Battle Droids and rebel alliance
Brendan Khao plot armor
Plot armour Beats all
Wasn't the droid navy crazy powerful because of sheer numbers and droid AI pilots?
KorporateKotoo yeah they could overwhelm especially with tons of cis ships in the region
Yea they had alot like alot and since empires itself have some droid hideouts that is pretty much advantage
Yes and it had one of the biggest navy's in star wars also there numbers were unreal and probably would have overwhelmed them and it would be hard with all the Tactical/ Super tactical droids everywhere making really smart tactics 24/7.
Also with land battles wouldn't the CIS win? because I gotta say the Empire doesn't have the best military first thing b1's are probably close too having better aim than a storm trooper and they would probably be out numbered by alot of droids.
Quark what are you doing here?
@@agent1485 the droids can function as your first line of meat shields, your clones will be working behind them. Clone commandos working with BX and IG100 droids would be lethal against normal human stormtroopers and rebels. Heck, even the ships will be a problem. Clones commanding droid fighters to cover them from fire would be something special too, BUT tIE Defenders make that a challenge
If the rebellion can take out the Death Star I think the republic and the cis could take them out
I mean the Cis hast Droid fighters, perfect for suicide bombing
ye try and clear a path into the trench and send a giant amount of hyenas to bomb it and suicide it, with an escort of a couple of separatist capital ships and a crap ton of vulture droids like 1000s of vultures to kamikaze into there
If they know the death star weak spot
Lol I think the Republic and Rebel Alliance (New Republic) Would atleast try to negotiate peace terms bc you know, both sides would have thier own mon mothma
@@darthdevinsith7239 the cis had the plans for the Death Star
This video is a blasphemy...first it was CIS who planned death star plans and knew exacly all of its flaws
Except that the cis plans were only the basis for the Death Star. The fatal flaw of the Death Star was built by an imperial scientist AFTER the cis planned it. Not to mention that we are dealing with the Death Star 2 witch was a top to bottom re design of the Death Star.
@@andrewhayes1530 Still for a more conventional attack the earlier plans would be invaluable
Oscar Lord of Darkness he also said that they couldn’t use knowledge of the past or future. Just like how the empire can’t use knowledge of coruscant or the Jedi or ships used by the factions
@@andrewhayes1530 I wasn't saying they would have them is just that your aforementioned statement doesn't give credit to how useful knowing the basic function of its main systems which I believe would use similar mechanics for the prototype design the first death star or the second design
It was prototype, construction didn't start until the Empire took control of everything, but they would know the general idea of what it can do
I think you kind of miss some aspects of the republic and CIS, the scale of engagement in the clone wars, as well as the doctrine and deployment of troops were much stronger than the empire. The republic and CIS could work in combined arms invasion of more planets than the empire could handle. Even if the ground forces of the empire were much better than the clone and droid forces, wave after wave after wave of infantry, highly mobile troops in drop ships, and much more mecanized troops would be overwhelming.
That isnt even counting the CIS fighting in conjunction. The CIS could keep up an attack perpetually for weeks, never losing momentum, never sleeping, losses would mean nothing to a combination of clones and droids, and every casualty in the empire would be several times as bad as for the prequel factions. The empire is likely to suffer morale failure, each individual trooper would be out numbered severely, both clones and droids would never surrender, but troopers would rather surrender than try and hold on under overwhelming attack.
In the end the empire's focus on large expensive assets could be their downfall, both the republic and CIS could attack these targets suicidally and unconventionally.
The prequel forces would be able to keep up a war for longer than the empire, which would have to resort to mass conscription.
With such strength, every loss the empire would take is most likely to be permanent with such momentum and force.
Not to mention that the combined resources of the CIS and the Republic could go towards overwhelming amounts of clones
And don't forget the CIS' bioweapons, non-conventional warheads, and, of course, the subjugator class battleships (Malevolence)
Yes and yes i agree
@@user-ft3jq5vi2l which
Don't actually need to disable a ship in it's entirety
You take out key points on something and it suffers greatly
Leaving it easier prey to other ships
Personally, I think the prequels would win, but maybe that’s just because I’ve seen more of them through The Clone Wars.
Literally the CIS has tens of thousands of ships, and hundreds of millions of droids. Also the GAR had almost the same but millions of Clones and Thousands of ships.
I agree, the rebels would be almost useless due to the Republic and CIS having loads of laser cannons on their capital ships
Honestly I agree with you the Republic and the separatists would win it would be easy in the first years now in the Clone Wars don't forget the Republic had a hard time few planets that they were trying to liberate but they got through them
I must agree they can attack a Death star attack it inside and blow it up.
and bigger they are harder they fall.
and they got Anakin and Yoda maul and all types of droids and clones don't forget about Droidekas big brothers or clones commandos slave 1 and more characters stuff to me droids and clones should win on the time Empire had time get resources CIS and Republic were fighting a war they didn't have time do research and stuff and a Empire just fighting Rebels to me I think CIS AND REPUBLIC should be won this who disagree or agree.
@@sinossadragonstarrk ya started out strong but it went downhill fast
Every one talking about how big the empire ships were, and the capabilities but did everyone forget about BOARDING? Literally a team of ten Jedi, some arc troopers and tons of battle droids could board an isd and overtake it easily.
the republic and CIS could easily steal like 10 ISDs within a year
@@spencerrr9878 General Grievous and a team of Magnaguard could take 10 ISDs, now imagine the thousands of Jedi the Republic had and really you end up with a 2+2 equals win for the prequels
@@weinsteintheironjew7312 But couldn't the Death Star II blow up Coruscant WITH the Jedi temple, and WHERE most Jedi are stationed.
@@epicsx43 The death star two was not fully functional during the battle of endor, only being able to fire its main cannon, would probably have no hyperdrive capabilities for however long it takes to make a hyperdrive capable of moving a space that large relatively quicker, making it easy pickings for the republic and CIS fleets.
Or delta squad
Clones are better then storm trooper. Unlimited supply of back up from the cis. The droids take the hits and the clones use their superior troops to fight. Easy win
Ken the Yorkshireman The Stormtroopers are still skilled. And the biggest factor here is space battles where the Empire has a massive advantage. And the Empire can pretty easily hit Kamino and hit it hard. Ground combat won't be the deciding factor and even on the ground the Empire will win a lot
Ken the Yorkshireman prequel trilogy team gets their fleet blown the fuck out and their armies get stranded. That's what would really happen
Bruce Jedi Lee A dozen small infiltration squads with some Jedi would be able to drop ISD and SSD easily. The Empire would always be on the defensive and droids don’t get tired
@Bruce
The CIS would have the Malevolence protecting Geonosis, which is superior to most Imperial starships. Also the CIS and Republic both had inferior capital ships, but way better star-fighters. Lets not forget the 2nd best star-fighter ever (Umbara Starfighter) was either on the side of the Republic or Confederacy (depending on which part of the prequal era you're in). This would work well to defend Kamino. Also the Stormtroopers are hardly any more competent than a B2 battle droid, and yet droids could be mass produced at a way faster rate.
Ken the Yorkshireman good plan
Is "Navy Straganth" a joke I'm not a part of?
Nope I just misspelled and didn't feel like correcting, think it's a meme now tho🤔
Forever meme now, Navy Straganth.
Freighttrain Dude your editing sucked ass. You totally ruined this video. A kindergarten class with an old Apple II could do a better job.
That's rude. Apologize right now.
HeroicASF I enjoyed the typos honestly
Who else zoned out and watched the things going on in the background lol
me
Me
“Hello there!”
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I legit scrolled down to see a comment like this
"The Empire was very good at finding things"
Wut…..
Your sad devotion to that ancient religion hasn't helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes nor has it given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels hidden fortress...
Imperial probe droids found the hoth base.
@@minecat1839 they do find at least one of those things though
They succesfully track the rebels everywhere
they even track down the data tapes to the farmstead but just the droids are no longer there at the time
the empire does in fact have a very good track record of finding things.
I love how eckhart sounds dead inside when reading the script for this video and the editing looks like it's an episode of game theory. It kind of felt like the styles clashed.
I Strongly Disagree.
On the ground both the CIS and Empire Relay on Mass Assault Human Wave Tactics, both using low quality infantry. However the CIS has a significant advantage for 2 reasons they can produce trillions of droids and they have a focus on mixed unit military this is a contrast when compared to the Empire's nearly exclusive use of Stormtroopers. The Empire's army would go through complete hell trying to win any ground battles, let those be defensive, offensive, or re-conquest operations. Stormtroopers would get absolutely shredded by Clones under the command of Jedis and couldn't face the CIS pound for pound on Mass Assaults.
In space combat our opinions differ massively on the Empire, if it were only capital ships the Empire could win. But the main issue is the Empire's sheer inability to fight strike craft. The Republic uses nearly exclusively carrier vessels in the form of the Venator, the Republic's whole space doctrine seems to be oriented around the strike craft winning the battle for them, yet again a direct counter to the Empire. Not to mention that the CIS is no slouch when considering strike craft droids, hell with such little point defense on the Empire side I can only imagine the damage sabotage droids similar to the Buzz Droids could do to the Empire's capital ships.
I would actually argue the Death Star 2 is more of a crutch then a straight advantage, a crutch that is waiting to be knocked out from under them. With the Death Star 2 requiring massive resources to guard as well as the fact that it can only be at one system on a sprawling front. It would likely continue its waste of resource status, meanwhile under-guarded imperial systems are captured due to the Fleets Required to escort and reinforce the Death Star 2 in case of attack. This doesn't even account for something you even mentioned in your "5 Ways to Destroy the Death Star Without Its Plans" video, that Special Forces and Jedi would be the best to infiltrate and cripple the Death Star. That the facility's ungainly size makes it an easy target. Well it just so happens Jedi are in overabundance in the Republic supported by the best Special Forces in Legends and Canon.
This doesn't even take into account that the Empire Politically is a horror show of over-extension, riddled with corruption in every aspect of government especially the military. I think the Empire would lose battle after battle. I give this handedly to the Prequels.
The Empire was on a different scale than the CIS by far
Dr Kirb Kenneth kirby the storm troopers where only special forces and where not used nearly exclusively there navy troopers where used more was regularly
Aren't CIS fighters insanely powerful because of the droids AI's? Even out matching the Republic clones pilots in skill and numbers?
You just wrote an essay...in the comments section of a CZcams video...
RESPECT
KorporateKotoo I wouldn’t say in skill although they were close, but yeah they greatly outnumbered them
I just imagine Imperial And Rebel fleets getting overwhelmed by hundreds of high quality Republic fighters and thousands of droid fighters.
and droids can do mauevers that no human can do and they do not fear death
Think about the x-wings and the A-wings witch are much better fighters than the republic or CIS could ever make
At ground the prequels completely destroy any army, huge amounts of soldiers, and some vehicles are more conssistent, like Cis dropship
In space the classic have much more advantage with better tecnology, but with less troops,
@@guilhermef.cabral8252 the ogs basically own space, they can cut any important supply line that the prequels have
Imperial Star Destroyers: Oops there goes your carriers! Goodbye.
3 of the 4 factions have the same guy in charge.
Insert Spider-Man pointing at himself meme
Who wins?
ME of course
well, high ground, you do seem to have a *bold jedi* (general kenobi) standing on your face
Haha, i wrote a comment with the same idea
Ok but who has the high ground if there is no ground.
Connor Odum It's not my fault to have this name You do know that I have to wait 3 months to change my name
The High Ground ehh something like optimus prime would shoot you easy
Republic and CIS, the Republic had the best soldiers ever known (Clones), had the support of thousands of Jedi such as Yoda, Obi Wan, Mace, and obviously Anakin, the CIS also had Count Dooku, Grievous, a younger and more powerful version of Palpatine, and maybe Maul (if he’s added in this conflict).
Elemental Jedi Prequels would win the ground battles for sure, same as Starfighter only battles. However, the Imperial Navy was just too powerful cruiser wise, so if it comes to a space battle with every group's navy, OT would win. The Rebel cruisers would also be great support, due to the sheer size.
+dalekcats, the empire had a real big weakness to quality starfighters WAIT who mass produced quality starfighters capable of taking out capital ships THE REPUBLIC.
The empire had royal guards and shadow guards to rival Jedi to some extent, and palpatine had years of finding Sith artefacts and other stuff, so he would later be more powerfull
+Thyre Radim With the empire and rebels working together, rebel ships might be mass produced by the empire to overcome such a weakness. Also the empire has access to ion missiles used by the rebels that the republic hasn't developed yet. If they full attack with tie bombers the republic fighters will be forced to defend similar to a clone wars ep where Ahsoka uses the fighters to attack and loses the battle. The rebels usually didn't have capitol ships to protect and surprise advantage which caused the weakness in the empires ships. Also consider how long tie fighters last against x-wings which are better then anything the republic has besides jedi.
Keegan Frederickson X wings are not better than even half of the ships in the Republic
Next you can do battles with the First Order and Resistan-
Oh wait nvm.
Why the Republic + CIS would make a great duo: TheCIS has Commando Droids, Droidekas, etc. The Republic has Clone Commandos, ARC Troopers, etc. The Grand Army of the Republic includes their Jedi Generals and the CIS includes General Grievous, aka guy who has four lightsabers that he collected from dead Jedi.
The Rebels + Empire would make a bad duo, seeing that the Rebels do not have enough firepower to even win against the Empire. Even though the Empire has a Death Star, they will still make a bad duo. The Empire has Stormtroopers, Death Troopers and Purge Troopers. I do not know what the Rebels have as their elite. The Empire and the Rebels have limited men. The CIS and the Republic have limited men but the Republic uses Clones and the CIS uses Droids.
If all four factions were to fight each other, the CIS and the Republic have the upper hand because they had better armour, firearms and equipment, I think. Both the Rebels and the Empire will be defeated due to the Rebel's lack of good firearms. The Empire, however, is the next Republic but with their army is made from humans. Clonetroopers are better because they are, well, clones. They have the same genetics. They can aim better, unlike Stormtroopers.
mountainconn0r well rebels have plot armour just get the luke,leia, han and chewie on the death star
On the ground sure, the problem is the reverse is true in space.
The Rebel fleet, both capital and starfighter, help provide cover for the Imperial fleet's weaknesses while the Imperial Navy can provide bulk firepower like nobody else and even the Rebel fleet capital ships are a step up in firepower.
By comparison both the Venator and Providence sacrifice a fair bit for carrying strike craft, strike craft that are going to have a hard time being able to overwhelm their enemy if there's a reasonable Rebel contingent and next to any capital ship fight in the Clone Wars they just don't have the time for a prolonged strike craft engagement to play out as their capital ships are getting bulldozed by Imperial Star Destroyers.
I think the only thing that could really save the Republic+CIS is if the Imperials are too arrogant and pig-headed to appreciate the assets provided by the Rebels and how they might be useful when facing such strike craft heavy fleets. While this is on point for Imperials behavior wise it ends up with the matchup leaning very hard on 'X will win because Y will be dumb' instead of a broader assessment of capabilities.
@@AmurTiger i would have to disagree with you, the rebel pilots are blatantly worse than the Clone AND Droid fighter AIs, they are better than the Imperial fighters but the bar was so low that its basically irrelevent to even count the imperial fighters at all.
As far as capitol ships go the Rebellions ships are decent but dont have the compliment of skill and tactics to fight a head-on war and their hit and run tactics that worked well on the lumbering fleet of the empire wouldnt fare as well on the CIS or Republic. The Imperial navy has high firepower but their ships were designed with no utility in mind and lack strong fighter screening which would lose them most battles with the Republic or the CIS whom both relied heavily on fighter/bomber support as their damage output and would be fielding at least twice as many better fighters with far mor skilled pilots than the imperial navy has. Sure tge Empire loves their superships but they cannot massproduce them so we cannot claim that they are gamechangers.
Furthermore the technology difference that Eck argues in the video would be unreasonable to reference as the CIS and Republic would also be doing research as the war goes on, and as we saw in wwII having lots of science stuffs doesnt guarentee you to win.
Stormtroopers Actually can aim, just look at any scene without plot armor.
Yes a clone Trooper is better than a stormtrooper but there were only 6 million of them while the empire had billions if trillions of stormptroppers
i totaly disagree. all it took to destroy the deathstar was one half baked jedi. you underestimate the shier power evan one jedi master posesses. also on the point of ground forces, you could compare a battle droid with a storm trooper....but they had also the clone troopers, witch where much more capable then anny storm trooper and or droid. that combined with fully trained jedi to aid them, the miletary strategy of count docu, general grivous and other great minds of that time would ensure a massive advantage on this side. also on the super weapon side you totaly forget the super dreadnought with the ion blasters on the confederacy side, witch could decimade entire fleets of imperial ships. if we compare the milletary assets of both timelines, we see a clear destinction of the empire towards a fleet for holding a raign of terror, versus factions in a time of war. the deathstar 1,2 and starkiller base all fell after one attack by the rebbels....why should it be anny different in this cenario?
At least, the Republic has better soldiers than the Empire, clones>stormtroopers
I feel as if the Republic and CIS would win. The CIS is well funded, and could simply make any battle droid/fighter/ship to match the Imperials might. Not to mention that the Republic's troops were extremely well trained and that they have Jedi on their side, and the CIS troops were produced an insane rate! The Rebels are weak, and wouldn't stand a chance against the CIS and GAR (Galactic Army of the Republic) combined, no matter how thick their plot armor is. That would leave the Empire with all of the actual, serious combat -- Which they'd lose every time on the ground.
As for space, the malevolence cruisers could easily shoot that EMP majig and disable the Death Star. The GAR's and CIS's fighters were no doubt better than the Imperials and Rebels -- Quality. (Yes, I am aware that the Rebellion and Imperials had some vehicles of the CIS and GAR, like the juggernaut and Y-Wing, but mainly kept to their own creations.) True, the Imperial's war ships are greater than the GAR'S and CIS's, but it's no match for the Malevolence and the combined factions fighters. Not to mention the Jedi could easily pull a Lukey Pookie and fire a proton torpedo into the Death Stars core.
I'd say the CIS and GAR would win. Not easily, but they'd win. (Easily would be on the ground ;) )
GAR is grand army of the republic not galactic army of the republic
CIS is also a MASTER at blockading. The donut ship is almost near unkillable due to it's armament and veristilty of guns. This paired with the well trained clones and pretty good ventilators make them unstoppable together.
The Malevolence could disrupt the Death Star, but it's sheer size may mitigate the time it could be kept disabled. Plus if Empire commanders saw the Malevolence as a big enough threat, couldn't they simply snipe it out the battle first? The DS-2 was certainly capable of whacking off capital ships.
@@kurtisvandermiller4507 not even close. A single Imperial I-class Star Destroyer could all too easily wipe the floor with even a planetary blockade fleet of hundreds of Lucrehulk-class Battleships.
Especially given that they're literally just converted merchant ships that don't have the firepower or the shields to compete with a true warship.
Not even close. The Separatist military was literally nothing more than a hodgepodge of hastily-converted merchant ships, anti-piracy vessels, exploration vessels and battle droids that were designed purely for bullying weak, impoverished and entirely defenseless worlds that couldn't possibly stick up for themselves. The only reason as to why they were even remotely a threat to the Republic is because the Republic had been completely demilitarized for over 1,000 YEARS and literally had to scrape together a standing military force out of virtually nothing.
Outside of the Malevolence and Droid Commandos, the Separatist Alliance never once actually developed anything all that special or particularly innovative.
The entire strength of the Grand Army of the Republic at its absolute height during the Clone Wars amounted to at most 6 million Fett Clone Troopers (and no, units means individual Fett Clone Troopers, so unless you can prove otherwise, don't even bother trying to haggle over what it means). The Imperial Stormtrooper Corps alone easily fielded BILLIONS of Imperial Stormtroopers, all of whom were just as skilled if not even more skilled than the Fett Clone Troopers ever were, whereas the Imperial Army itself casually fielded TENS OF TRILLIONS of troops.
By virtue of raw numbers alone, the Grand Army of the Republic gets effortlessly crushed hard. As for the Jedi Order, the First Battle of Geonosis more than proves that they're nowhere near as much of an advantage as everybody makes them out to be. Hundreds of Jedi were very easily overwhelmed by mere swarms of battle droids and would've been wiped out completely if hadn't been for the Grand Army of the Republic swooping in to save them. In other words, the Galactic Empire, with its nigh infinite army/pool of manpower, Darth Vader, the Hands of the Emperor, the Inquisitorius (the Expanded Universe version), the Prophets of the Dark Side, the Dark Side Elite and Darth Sidious himself at their disposal, should have no problems dealing of them.
Except that battle droids were literally just expendable kneecappers that relied entirely on overwhelming numbers and were only really useful for picking on those that couldn't defend themselves. Even taking into account Droidekas, Super Battle Droids, IG-100 Magnaguards and Droid Commandos, the bottom line is that they only made up an absolute minority of the Separatist Droid Army (nearly all of which is made up of comically useless B1-series Battle Droids) and therefore wouldn't be particularly decisive in a fight with the likes of the Galactic Empire.
Furthermore, if one examines the Battle of Praesitlyn (where a mere force of 20,000 Fett Clone and 1 Jedi defeated a massive Separatist force of 1,000,000 battle droids despite being hilariously outnumbered by a margin of 50-to-1), then it isn't so hard to believe that Imperial Stormtroopers (who, again, were just as good if not even better than their Republic predecessors) with the assistance of Darth Vader and all of the other Dark Siders at the Galactic Empire's disposal could defeat the Separatist Droid Army without any serious trouble.
None of that really matters because the Galactic Empire can very easily just nope all of that out of existence with the Galaxy Gun and the Sun Crusher. The Galaxy Gun blows the Malevolence out of existence (very possibly killing General Grievous in the process, therefore throwing the entire Separatist Droid Army into chaos in the process) followed by destroying Kamino (the only source of effective Fett Clone Troopers and the very beating heart and soul of the entire Republic war effort), Geonosis, Coruscant, Serenno (very possibly killing Count Dooku himself, an act that would trigger the near-immediate total collapse of the entire Separatist Alliance in a single swift and decisive stroke) and many other targets all while the Sun Crusher (a literally nigh-indestructible starfighter that's equipped with resonance torpedoes that are powerful enough to trigger super novae) can casually wipe out entire Republic and Separatist fleets without so much as breaking a sweat.
And those are just 2 of the Galactic Empire's superweapons. If I throw in everything else that the Galactic Empire built then this war wouldn't even last a day. As for starfighters, you very obviously haven't heard of the TIE Defender, the TIE Phantom, the TIE Avenger, the TIE Hunter, the TIE Predator, etc., etc.. All of which decisively outclass everything that the Republic and the Separatists ever fielded. And in the hands of the likes of Baron Soontir Fel, Maarek Stele and Darth Vader himself, they'd effortlessly steamroll anything that comes across their path.
In conclusion, you're absolutely sleeping on the Galactic Empire and are completely wrong regarding just about anything.
I think the Jedi from the prequels could easily take out Vader because in Anakin was more powerful in the later years of the Republic. Luke wasn't as skilled as some of the Jedi during the Republic. So I think the Republic and CIS would have more of an advantage, besides the plans for the Death Star were seen on Geonosis in Attack of The Clones. I think the original trilogy's force sensitives would out done by their younger and more capable counterparts.
@@BobJason1 #ChosenOne
The Death Star's weakness was made by an IMPERIAL scientist, so they had no idea of the weakness.
I think a strike force of Jedi masters could likely beat Luke and Vader in a straight fight, but keep in mind that sidious became even stronger in the force as he practiced in the empire. And Vader in return of the Jedi is stated to be 70% of sidious’ power. I think it’s more likely like and Vader would die in there ships as the star destroyers and super star destroyers covering them are invaded and taken over by strike teams.
Then just have Luke and Vader sit back And have Luke, the person in legends with the steepest learning curve access to Sidious library.
The empire also had numerous other force users aswell
@@epicsx43 You mean the giant hole in it that the Millennium Falcon could fly through? You'd have to be blind to have no idea of that weakness.
I just cant see this happening, i mean the empires biggest problem is fighting small ships, mainly star fighters....and considering the quality of clone star fighters and the sheer number of droid fighters to balance sheer number of tie fighters....well i really dont see how the empire could win, i mean both the death star and death star 2 were taken out by relatively small ships or fighters, and considering how many jedi pilots the republic had.... yeah i just see wrecked star destroyers and another dead death star
I mean the empire did own 80% of the galaxy or so, they did have the most advanced soldiers too, like SCAR, 501st, Guard, Shadow Guard, also uh, they have TIE defenders, and the rebellions B-wing.
This does include one caveat though. The rebels. The exact people with dogfighting skills the empire lost so much to, working with them. Fleets of x a b and y wings accompanying the empire? For this one point, I think they have the advantage.
@@connordewalt8525 Yes but the rebels have limited numbers. It's 1000 vulture droids vs 1 rebel fighter the vulture droids would easily overwhelm any starfighters both factions could muster. That is without even mentioning clones.
The thing is, movies only show IS2s in action. Empire had great anti star fighter craft such as the Raider courvete that would very well protect its big ships from star fighters and were incredibly effective. Effective to the point none of them were present in the movies since theyd just shoot the main cast down imo lmao
Ion Sinclair when did the 501st belong to the empire? It was still the republic when anakin betrayed
When he talks about starfighter tech, and seconds later declares the category a TIE
Empire: Stormtroopers are pathetic things that just can't aim.
Rebels: No one stood out but as a team they did good.
Republic: Trained & Extremely smart and strong in battle and 1 to 1 combat, bred for war. More experience.
CIS: They had the largest army and had some good fighters and leaders like commando droids, general grievous, admiral trench, count dooku etc.
But Empire had Thrawn
I’d have to say the republic is most likely to succeed. Soldiers win a war, and a pilot is as good as its aircraft. Meaning to say, good soldiers are the most important aspect to win a war. Tactics, armament, adaptability, etc, along with good soldiers, result in a deadly military force. The clones were programmed from birth, trained with the best technology and commanders, and were meant for only one thing, to fight. They also had strong and superior weapons to their foes (The droids), not to mention the vast types of ground vehicles, and a large fleet of venator class destroyers. Going back to their training, they probably had the best training out of every single faction. I’m pretty sure they’d beat each faction without a doubt.
Yes, But what about Capital Ships Combat
bruh even obi-wan said that storm troopers were horrifying and deadly. stormtroopers destroyed an entire village. and Vader and emperor told them to miss purposely to track down the rebel base. They have good aim. it was funny when it was a joke. now it getting annoying
@@thefakecoconut oh my gosh thank you. I thought I was the only one who understood this.
50% of the comments: lol prequels win
49.99% of the comments: nice editing
the 0,01% of people who have lower IQ than room temperature: YA empiRAER WIEALl WEN agaNISvten DE SEPPieZ aD REpuBLIEC
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did you mean: ThE EmpIre DeStRoYs bOth GaR and CiS wiTH MeThsTar
This battle should’ve been between the Empire vs the Republic and CIS because the Rebellion barely had a say in this.
You don't think that upgraded fighters and all the aces the rebellion had would be useful? MonCalamari shielding? Luke Skywalker? Han Solo and Chewbacca?
Elemental Jedi im generally happy with how well thought out he does stuff like this, but this one was poorly done. the rebellion had a ton to offer and it was overlooked, war is so much more then numbers and industry and it was overlooked, the power of so many force users was overlooked, even planetary shielding to force a land battle was overlooked. im not saying the final victor is wrong, it may not be, but i am saying far too little was taken into account for three of the factions
I agree with yig, he almost completely ignored everything that Rebels had to offer. Such they had some of the piolets out of the two factions. The Rebel solders were almost always outmanned, and they did win some engagements.
Jay Ferguson dude what is a young like chewy and Han gonna do against 10,000 Jedi knights and the most best soldiers ever seen in the galaxy, if the empire helps the rebels mass produce their army they might help out but they'd get crushed
What happened to all those 10,000 jedi? Soldiers for some, right? Then Vader went on a spree to kill those remaining for the Empire. Is Vader still here? Lemme check. Yep.
Please to also remember that a lot of those jedi weren't fighters. They could absolutely do damage in a normal sense, but not against a lot of soldiers. Certainly not if they can't leave the planet because their navy's done in. It's sort of a team effort, yes? Rebellion can't handle what it was never intended to fight. What they'd offer is small unit tactics, heroes, aces, and (especially towards the end) some actual combat worthy ships.
I know y'all want to talk about how the swarms of ships that the CR could field would overwhelm the Empire/Rebellion, but that's just not the way it would be. Technology progresses.
Pretty disappointing video honestly.
*Talks about The Empire, and nothing but The Empire the entire time*
It is because the Empire is so much more powerful than the other factions that he just needed to explain why the Empire wins in that category. he wasn't ranking them in any order so he only needed to explain who won and why.
No there not. There a fucking joke an los to rebels. Terrible
@@playableelite5209 the empire really isn't, it has the largest navy but the republic clones are way better troops than Stormtroopers and the cis droids out number the empire on a massive scale
I like how this is essentially younger palpatine vs older palpatine.
If you're including the death star then you have to keep in mind the CIS were the faction that came up with it and would know how to make it and its weaknesses.
Good to see him back but I’ll have to disagree on this one, I think he severely overestimates the empire and underestimates the CIS.
Sam dale Agreed
I disagree though. The Empire is the republic with cis tech, then upgraded a bunch. so the empire alone had more than enough of a tech advantage. Also had at least quadruple the resources of republic and cis combined(and that is disregarding EU). to be honest having the rebels help the empire is just adding insult to injury. at least without the rebels, the prequel factions could exploit lack of star fighter power on the more standard imperial fleets.
+The Emperor
Problem is, the Empire was focused more on intimidating police-forces rather than effective military-forces. This is a big point that's brought up in _hundreds_ of videos that discuss the Empire in combat scenarios.
The Emperor exactly. Also superweapons and dreadnaughts. Boom
Sam dale i think the empire has space I don’t see them doing well on the ground at all
Do not understimate the cis, especially because they have the sheer Numbers. After that, the republic has the clones and the jedi to add Some skill to the battlefield.
And indeed, the rebels, which you disregarded completly, destroyed the death star and other priceless imperial assets, so why wouldn't the republic be able to?
The combined efforts of the cis and the republic would offer a great variety of troops and space vehicles. Also alien races like the umbarans, wookies, mon-kalamry, etc are on the prequel side.
Btw; you can't put a price on force-sensitive pilots. And the death star cannot be everywhere.
Sebastiaan Klaassen Ground forces are useless when there are no ground battles because ISDs and ESDs would bombard every planet with CIS and GR forces.
Кирилл Дектярев even then, watches episode3? Also the star destroyers are not that well equipped against the amount of fighters the cis an GR have to offer. Even, a hit and run tactic could be used.
Sebastiaan Klaassen Eeeh, GE is SO used to handle hit-run tactics from rebels, that it is likely that GE would easily adapt to this.
Кирилл Дектярев they never did tho
Кирилл Дектярев Except that the Empire couldn't adapt to the Rebellions hit-and-run tactics at all.
Keep in mind Palpatine was playing the republic and CIS against each other, if he didn’t hold back both sides they’d be just as capable as the Empire. A team of Jedi and the Malevolence could easily capture ISDs one after the other and add them to their army.
The only real threats are the Super Star Destroyers and the Death Star, though plans for the Death Star started during the clone wars so I’d give the CIS & Republic excellent chances of finding a weakness to exploit or even creating their own Death Star.
Can't believe you really just chose a death star over the entire Jedi army I mean just wow
But Vader vs Anakin and Obi-Wan and Yoda, Mace Windu and don't forget General F#@$ing Grievous. Now the Emperor is another story all together but no you can't put all your hope into one basket like that sorry
Chancelor Palpatine vs the Emperor. .. the Chancellor wins obviously. Because becoming Emperor made Palpatine weak, because his passion and anger became dormant, he miscalculated. The Republic plus CIS would win because the Empire is just an empty shell. Looks impressive but lasted a mere 40 years. With Palpatine loyal to the Republic and working for victory with the Jedi and the CIS yup the Empire rebels would lose. The Emperor himself is vulnerable strike team of Anakin, Dooku, windu and Yoda working together would be too much for him.
Usually like your stuff, in the comparison, you talked so little about the advantages the republic/cis sides have that the final conclusion feels weightless.
Probably because they just don't have any advantages, outside of the Jedi. Their ships are inferior, they have less system control, and they're less militarized. If the Empire just keeps sending the Death Star, and a fleet to escort it, to keep destroying core worlds, the Republic and CIS are kinda fucked. Their only option would be to send a Jedi strike force onto the Death Star to stop it.
@@psyco829 Battle meditation is a pretty useful power.
@@psyco829 how are they not militarized ever heard of the clone wars? Seriously your a joke dude with the republic teaming with the cis the rebels stand no chance apart from that yes the empire does have many advantages but what if they just storm the death star or maybe make there own since technically the plans still exists in the prequal, not only that but any number of assortment of things from Anakin, obiwan, more and better ships, general gravious, count, if they count that is like yes it would be a struggle buuuut i think the prequal got it
@@Khunt16 reading is a useful skill in many ways. It would, for example, have helped you see that I said LESS militarized. And the Republic was less militarized than the totaltarian empire was.
Yet the empire lacks skill, valuing quantity over quality, while the republic uses both in balance. Also the CIS could simply send wave after wave of Battledroids in a mass bonzai while the republic also begins to prepare it’s soldiers. Also, the Malevolence outclassed many imperial ships, and the empire isn’t really meant for all out war. Also they lost the death star to a few fucking rebel ships. I don’t think it’s that mighty, especially counting in that the CIS planned the fucking death star and knew all of it’s flaws before the empire began.
Also The Galactic Republic’s fighter Ships outclassed The Galactic Republic’s tie fighters.
(Also unrelated to the comment)
What if Luke got the rebels to fight alongside the prequel forces or abandoned the rebellion for The Galactic Republic to fight alongside his father? That’d be interesting and certainly turn the tide. Especially since Luke could point out vulnerabilities in the rebellion (if we’re going with the second idea)
Clones brainwashed to fight and kill from birth with in their side, merciless battledroids VS a bunch of teens and idiots wearing white armor?
I think we know who wins...
>merciless battledroids
My sides
This is the best comment
BRICIE Ground battles would never happen, ISDs would just bombard the planet with 200 gigaton turbolaser batteries.
Good point but the empire wouldn't need to fight on the ground with the Death Star Eclihpse Sovereigns SSDs ISD etc....... they would just easily win the space battle and then bombard the crap out of the planet destroying everything
"200 gigaton turbolaser batteries" ????????????? czcams.com/video/ARR0RPrr_rg/video.html
You forgot that in large scale ground battle. As shown in the battle in geonosis, that the cis can keep producing and spamming troops in little to no time especially since no trading is required. The rebel alliance is rather small and recruited normal people who wanted to fight against the empire. Similarly the empire recruited people at academies, this started when the clones started faltering after order 66. Finally the republic, as claimed in episode 2, same movie as the battle of geonosis, it took half the time to grow and train units with complete efficiency. So basically the republic and cis ruled in ground combat.
The sheer size of the republic fleet and cis fleet is unimaginable. If you were to bring 15 cruisers from and countless frigates the sheer numbers would destroy the death star because of all the star fighters. These were better versions of rebel star fighters as they had limited tech to keep them going. I seriously can’t even imagine the size of the fighter group of the republic and cis and effectiveness against the empire as that was there real weakness star fighter
Interesting option for the future: The Sith Empire of the Old Republic vs. The Galactic Empire. The Galactic Empire has better tech, as well as more reach and resources, but the Sith empire has, well, buckets of Sith.
sith empire from the old republic hands down at least thier troops can hit things and way more sith on thier side let alone the ships aswell are abit more on the awkward side to hit and you got jadus' ship aswell that could kill all life on a planet if not destroy the planet like the death star (its been a while since i last did the inquisitor storyline so i cant fully remember but i know for a fact millions were gunna die)
Vitiate vs Palpatine is a scary thought. But while the Galaxy was a lot less explored during the Sith Empire’s time, thus they had less planets and resources, and their technology is inferior, THEY HAVE AN ABSOLUTE FUCK TON OF SITH, and DOZENS of Sith Lords almost or as powerful as Vader
Honestly, between the CIS and the rebublic, they could pretty much bury the Empire/Rebel fleet in frigates, starfighters and cruisers. Plus the combined CIS/Republic ground forces would be absolutely terrifying.
Jacob Mathena Ground forces are useless when there would be no ground battles because ISDs and ESDs would bombard every planet with CIS and GR.
And drowning GE with small starfighters is a pretty bad idea, because GE has a lot more capital ships which starfighters are not going to damage.
Кирилл Дектярев Really? I remember a certain super star destroyer being one shotted by a A-wing. Plus although out the clone wars we saw that the CIS often boarded enemy vessels. And I'm pretty sure destroyer droids and clones would shred the stormtrooper crews.
Jacob Mathena After it's shields were deactivated. SSDs can literally ram through other big capital ships without any significant damage.
Jacob Mathena And I am pretty sure it would not come down to ground combat.
Кирилл Дектярев True. But the rebel alliance somehow managed to do it during the battle of endor. Plus the CIS always has the Malevolence. And I'm not saying that the CIS would be able to board every ship, but the ones that they do board will probably be taken over.
Didn't the seperatist have the death star plans first
yh the plans were first seen on geonosis
Yes, but they weren't complete, which is why we see director krinic trying to get back the protagonists father at the start of the film. With the unfinished plans, the cis doesn't have much to go off of. This cis probably wouldn't be a problem either, as space Hitler and his emo friend knew the kill switch to the entire droid army.
@@ethanedwards422 Not if they have no knolewdge of the past, as the video states as a rule. The Separatists would already be in control of young space Hitler and his young emo friend, so that possibility is off.
There's no way that the Empire (let's be honest, just the Empire) could defeat the Jedi Order at its peak backed by up to a quadrillion battle droids, not to mention that most of those Jedi will also be involved in space battles.
I also think you're greatly overestimating the importance of the 2nd Death Star; even if the CIS and Republic fleets couldn't destroy it (which isn't unlikely considering that an underfunded militia managed to do so twice), it's a single piece of weaponry in an entire galaxy completely packed with enemy forces scattered all around.
That is, of course, assuming that IG-88 would be unable to retain control over it; I doubt he'd really take sides, but if he did I bet he would choose to fight with his fellow Droids rather than against them
Plus Palpatine would stop hamstringing the CIS
Space hitler and his emo friend know the kill switch that shuts down the entire droid army. And palatine, being the most powerful sith to ever exist, would have no issue with dealing with the Jedi. Not to mention he would also have Vader, his inquisitors and the chosen one to help him.
Also people are forgetting the CIS has grevious, Doku, and ventress. Grevious is a fucking monster and could easily kill luke, go toe to toe with Vader and even palpitene feared him. Doku knows all of sidous's tactics. And then ventress was so strong palpitene wanted to get rid of her out of fear of here strength. This is on top of the republic order. The empire has no shot at winning this.
@@kurtisvandermiller4507 that's true, Grievous is insane
@@ethanedwards422
Except he would, that was literally the whole point of him waiting for the Jedi to go extinct before making his move. His whole reason for orchestrating the war wasn't just to split the Galaxy, but to **weaken** the Jedi order. In its peak he couldn't take on the entire order by himself, and he knew this being the genius that he was. Especially not with Anakin, mace, Yoda, etc still active.
Also you're greatly overestimating Inquisitors lol. Save for maybe 2 or 3, the vast majority of them were fodder and gotten taken out by other fodder. Many of them were younglings/mere Padawans when enlisted by the Empire and Palpatine purposely made sure they weren't too strong so as they wouldn't become a threat.
It seems you have forgotten how quickly droids can be produced. With all the republic planets that can have droid factories on them. It will be like in halo how there are like 10-15 grunts (droids in this scenario) with 2-3 elites with them (clones) and bear in mind probably thousands of these squads will be fielded each battle. Eventually the CIS and republic will wear down the Imperial/rebellion forces.
Jovialmonster 75 Ground battles don't do jack shit when there would likley be no ground battles because ISDs and ESDs would bombard every planet with CIS and GR.
That's why the empire chose to invade planets instead of just bombarding them, right name I can't type on this keyboard?
+Кирилл Дектярев
The Empire did many ground invasions, way more than bombardments.
Badger
The only times the Empire did ground assaults was when it was necessary, such as the shield generator on Hoth preventing proper bombardment.
There is going to be even more roflstomp. The actual citizens of CIS+republic will join the war in the battle to end all battles. Because losing means your world is destroyed by the Death Stars. Whereas the Rebels will need a new name, Rebel Remnants because of mass desertions, since their whole reason for existing (G.Empire tyranny/brutality) will be nullified the moment the Death Stars destroy worlds. To top it off CIS Palpatine leaks the Death Star early Plans and from there Anakin, Kenobi, Plo Koon and w/e else takes the finishing shot.
The CIS and Republic had been in an all out war for a long time, countries always have a much larger military when at war then they do in peace time, so the republic and Cis should out number the Empire-Alliance Axis.
in addition It is implied that the republic and CIS had ships designed for war, whilst the empire had ships designed to strike fear. for example venators and providences have troop carrying capabilities, carrier abilities, command ship abilities and anti capital abilities, ISDs are purely anti capital, with limited and poor quality fighters on board. they also are proven to have terrible anti fighter weaponry whilst CIS ships at least have very good capability (Phantom menace lucrehulk to OP)
I think CIS/Republic should win hands down, prolonged war then maybe not, but the Empire was innefective and corrupt, and the rebel alliance cannot win an open war against the CIS or Republic by themselves let alone together
Will Brown
Yet the Empire technology is more advance and its ships are made for maximum firepower in mind.
Well then vote for clones and clankers
Will Brown the empire built everything as if it was at war and the empires ships were way better then the CIS and republic
You also forget how many swarms of TIEs the Empire can field at once. Almost as much as the CIS (though not as cause droids) couple that with a few quality fighters in the Interceptor and Defender (plays rebel Starfighters), there's your anti-starfighter screen. Granted, SDs by themselves suck versus strike aircraft, but that's where the Alliance and advanced TIEs come in.
Emp United technology more advanced is dubious , yes turbo lasers are more powerful than clone wars tech but does the empire use it as effectively? Judging by how the rebellion wins then no
I feel like there was a missed opportunity to talk about an information war that would begin, wars are won by gaining information of your opponent and misdirecting your enemies. This is where the rebels would have shined, but both the republic and CIS could not be underestimated on their ability to gather info, just with the sheer amount of force sensitives, that combined with the more advanced tactics being performed on both sides near the end of the clone wars I think the republic/CIS could begin waging a very successful war against imperial super weapons. While the rebel alliance would prove effective at gaining info there really isn’t much to be gained in comparison to what the prequels would gain, the empire learns of kamino and one big factory on geonosis, there are many other factories, the republic and CIS find out how to reliably destroy or take superstar destroyers and Death Stars, that’s big. This isn’t even talking about moral battles that the empire has already proven to not be able to handle
*"The enemy of my enemy, is my friend."*
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gcix isme lol same
gcix isme Same here
Yes,you're right
Dude with those huge ass bridges of all the star destroyers and almost all of them being based off the the venator, i think the republic would notice that huge weakness fast. Combined with the complete lack of point defense and decent star fighters, their “massive capital ship advantage” is going to be pretty big disadvantage. Imagine squads of heavily armed ARC 170s and Y wings ,escorted by some V-19s to draw fire away from them, jumping out of hyperspace rebel style doing a bombing run over the bridge instantly destroying any imperial vessel. Combined with the EXPOSED REACTOR of the Death Star 2 that probably only needs a few thousand droid starfigters to do a suicide run to knock it out, I don’t see how the empire is holding out. Sure they might overwhelm them at first with their advanced capital ships but it’s gonna take them no time at all to realize that all of the imperial assets are FILLED with weakness.
Exactly. At a first glance, you'd think the Empire would have naval superiority. And in specific, 1v1 situations they would 10/10 have it everytime. But that's not at all how naval battles are usually fought, and the Empire trades a lot of practicality for size and fear invoking.
I think you're underestimating the strength of the rebellion in space. The Home One lead the assault against the 2nd Death Star plus an imperial fleet and won (with respect to the rest of the rebellion fleet as well).
The Mon Cala were also really intelligent leaders as well, with Ackbar leading the assault against the 2nd Death Star, and looking back at the Battle of Scariff with Raddus, where the rebellion dealt a very heavy blow to the Empire however suffered heavy casualties.
I think the rebellion might be stronger in space than you think they are, perhaps they're not the strongest but they definitely deserve some credit where it's due.
The Rebels were much more well rounded than the Empire was.
The difference between the two is that the Rebels had decent capital ships from Mon Cala, good cruisers and lightships, and strong fighters while the Empire heavily relied on its amazing capital ships like the Imperial Star Destroyer and Super Stary Destroyer. The Death Star is pretty useless when fighting an all-out galactic conflict considering it is more of a show of force than an efficient ship/base. It would take too long for it to reach a conflict in another system and would have to be escorted by a large fleet which would draw much of the Empire's forces away from any conflict.
The Republic had the weaker capital ships and cruisers but had incredible fighter craft that could be wielded in large numbers. The focus of the Republic navy seemed to be on having superior fighters as the CIS could field 10 times as many as they could, not to mention that there were thousands of Jedi at this time who could potentially pilot and lead the assault. The CIS would form the backbone of the prequel navy as they have (estimated based on material) over 10,000 ships, many of which were part of small planetary garrisons. Just in the battle of Duro in the Clone Wars, Grievous had rallied two of the three largest CIS fleets and had an armada of over 6,000 ships that sieged down much of the Core. The Separatists ships not only outnumbered the Republic's fleet by a wide margin, but their capital ships, cruisers, and destroyers were all superior when it came to firepower and design. The CIS starfighters were also abundant and featured highly intelligent AI and were nearly on par with Jedi pilots.
Not to mention the great number of Republic and CIS admirals and heroes who would fight against a group of much smaller tacticians.
I think that the Prequel navy would easily destroy the OT's combined forces, though this is mostly thanks to the CIS's strong screening ships and the combination of good starfighters from both factions as well as the lack of heroes that the OT would have when compared to the Prequels.
The empire had 25,000 star destroyers- each of which were superior to any prequel era ship in capital to capital combat
@@mittens4385 laughs in droid fighters
How can the rebels defend themselves from a thousand droid pilots that are basically suicide units that dont fear death cause they are robots
Also who edited this? It feels like the vid is edited by a drunk person
The person had the low ground
Agreed
I thought his editor had forgotten his ADHD meds or something
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Deathstar P 2 ?!
True
I'm sorry EckhartsLadder, but I have to disagree. I did enjoy this video and I thank you for making such an interesting vid! But I think that while the Empire was quite powerful, on the ground they will be massacred by Clones and Droids working together (the CIS had many weapons dedicated to killing organics which would be uniquely useful in a situation where they battle the Empire.) And In space Imperial leaders (not counting Thrawn) would be no mach for extremely skilled strategists like Anakin, Obi Wan, and Grievous. Plus, most rebellion fighters were based off of Republic starships. So we know that Republic (and I would argue Vulture droids and Tri fighters) would be VERY effective against Star Destroyers. But as I said, I really enjoyed this video and I thank you for making it! Keep up the good work!
Star Wars: Facts and Theories While CIS and GR had arguably better ground forces and starfighters, these advantages are useless. There would likely be no ground combat, ISDs and ESDs would just bombard the planets with enemy forces. Starfighters are pretty useless when your enemy has much more powerful capital ships and has a lot of them.
Really, the advantages of CIS and GR might look good on paper, but are pretty minimal in an all-out war.
Plus we have rebels with arguably the best fighters helping GE.
The empire could win any space battle they pick without even the Death Star SSDs etc u have to think about the big picture the empire wouldn't need to fight on the ground and the Jedi would be insignificant courascont could just be blown up by the Death Star or levelled by ISDs think about it
And any Jedi cannot stop the fire power of a fleet with over powering fire power one SSD could wipe out an entire fleet of Venators before Anakin or Obi won could even react super star destroyers have over 9000 turbo lasers and other stuff
I can understand your reasoning. However, we know that the GR and the CIS had the two largest fleets in Star Wars history. Plus they had, by far, the highest amount of fighters. So even though the GE had way better capitol ships that will be useless compared with an overwhelming force. I mean if you think about it, the Empire would be overwhelmed in ever battle!
I would like to add to Star Wars: Facts, he didn't even cover that the GR had Victory I's and the Pride of the Core proto SSD.
did he account for the cis super weapon? It can deactivate any star ship
He mentioned it
Empire: bad troopers, big money, big ships, BAD starfighters.
Rebellion: mix of good and bad troopers, like 23 credits, BIG ships, good starfighters.
Republic: good troopers, no robux, some big ships, GOOOD starfighters.
CIS: bad troopers but billions of them, many v bucks, no BIGG ships, pretty good starfighters.
Top 5 Imperial commanders from canon
Kenneth Kates This would actually be a really cool video
Kenneth Kates
Dew it
1. Thrawn
2. Thrawn
3. Thrawn
4. Thrawn
5. The dude who got choked for incompetence
1. Thrawn
2. Idk Palpy?
3. Pellaeon-oh wait, he’s not canon. Vader I guess...
4. Uhhhhhh Admiral Piett
5. That guy who Tarkin stopped Vader from choking
no way. The dude who got choked for incopetence was leagues beyond that guy who Tarkin stopped Vader from choking. On a serious not I dont think Palpatine or Vader were good commanders. Palpatine was a great schemer and Vader was an amazing warrior but they were not necessarily good military commanders.
Ecks, man i love ur vids but i didnt like how this one was edited, the visual content wasnt relevant as much and kind of distracting from your voiceover
does anyone read pinned comments anymore...
I notice how much fun your editor has and I love it
Considering the clones were far more superior to storm troopers and that the droid army was extremely deadly makes me lean towards giving the edge to the republic+separatists combination
*Empire "We have ISDs and big star weapons that some how does not crash our economy......
*Rebels " We Exist and have a couple of Jedi...including Yoda. We love our Star Fighters
*CIS " We can spam a lot of Droids and Star Fighters to swarm any capital ship and out number any pathetic Star Fighter group on the Capital ships.....also we have Sidous and Dooku and Grevious and you get the point...
*Republic " We have the best Clone army in the known universe along with Yoda and the entire Jedi Order with skilled vent shooting pilots like Anakin....also good Star Fighters.
You can guess who I thought should have won
Francisco Rivera agreed
Empire
@@rafaelroriz6622 the fuk
Just death star droid factory worlds and kamino and laugh lmao
Pretty much
This is basically the empire vs the republic and cis
Orangeslush 99 It's basically Empire praise and mentioning the other groups names every 5 minutes or so 😒
Rebels have superior fighter skills, but the numbers are very limited though.
I do think he neglected the Rebel Star fighter capabilities. I know they were somewhat limited, but their number was high enough to factor in enough. Plus having the Rebel capital ships as extra cannon fodder for the Death Star II/Star Destroyers is actually a good asset.
Honestly, if the Empire has the time, the Rebellion is a wonderful asset in terms of technology. Mon Calamari shielding with Star Destroyers, X-Wings and A-Wings replacing Tie Fighters, and all the spying equipment and technology the Rebellion had.
Alex Mauney Yes, imagine TIE Interceptors with hyperdrives, life support systems and advanced shielding. Hmmmmmm.
Or mass produced TIE Defenders.
this is possibly one of the best edited vids on the channel. well done!!
It's seen in the clone wars that Venators have weapons on their underside. Imperial Star Destroyers do not. All the Republic and CIS have to do is attack from below.
Also, the prequels have Jar-Jar Binks.
the CiS/Republic would stomp the empire/rebels and here is my reasoning
If we take all four entities exactly as they were with all leaders included its thousands of jedi including yoda, anakin, obi-wan, and mace windu plus count dooku and palpatine in his prime vs darth vader, emperor palpatine and luke. (plus other leaders but I'm mainly doing force sensitive people) Plus the republic and CiS had been at war for years and as a result had battle hardened armies, and massive ones at that. I mean just look at the space battle around Coruscant at the beginning of episode 3. I know the empire is a large entity but the majority of their forces were normal humans and whatnot who mainly had to keep the peace and were not battle tested clones.
but you have to realize the the empire was formed from the republic and had access to all the cis tech, and combined them and improved for 30 plus years. And that doesn't even include the vast resource advantage the empire alone has against the cis and republic combined.
@@playableelite5209 But wouldn't those same resources be available to the CIS/Republic faction? Also, the CIS doesn't need any sort of tactics, they just send in waves of waves of droids at the enemy
@@controbot2557 well you are right about the cis not needing any tactics. But the Empire does have more territory. Since in the time of the empire more systems were taken under the Empire so basicly the Empire inherited the planets from the 2 prequel factions, then got more. Same with the tech
@@playableelite5209 you mean melting down those very same old weaponery to make ties or even losing them. They truely inherited the losing tech stat.
@@playableelite5209 they probably like screw thing it old we don't need it lest make more space for this new stuff.
Is that you writing or are you having a seizure on a piece of paper?
I like the editing style. It adds an element of silliness, it’s funny
Something changing everything: Stormtroopers doesnt hit the target, clones do
Not sure if I liked this editing. I ended up looking at funny things instead of actually listening to you. Too much of a distraction
+The Roasting Toaster thanks for the feedback, I'll pass it on (a guest editor did this video)
The Roasting Toaster the same here.
I agree
It was hilarious, but yeah maybe a bit distracting haha.
actually i distraced by that game intro i had to not look my monitor to listen you :) , idk which game is it but have really nice cinematics....
The editing made this video look less professional and hard to watch. Was way too choppy. Just my opinion.
3 out of 4 factions are commanded by the same person my dude
Consular Gaming They have no knowledge of the future/past. So Emperor Palpatine wouldn't know the republic and cis, while Counsellor commands both the republic and the cis, he can use the information of where bases are and shit.
I loved this editing style SO MUCH
Nice video, but perhaps you should put up more relevant footage based on what your talk about, since a lot of the stuff you put up were irrelevant and distracting.
Krispy Kimson you are really right
This video was edited by a friend of his. This, presumably, was the cause for the memes.
I can’t wait until the battlefront 2 vid!
Lovely video and edition
The editing.... my man was clearly high as a kite when he made this
The empire ships are only good for spreading fear their fighters are bad too the csi and the republic build ships and fighters to wage war and remember it only took 1 untrained jedi padawan to take down a death star
Galen erso
Star destroyer Thrive in ship to ship combat. They would absolutely destroy any republic and Cis ship.
Glenn Quagmire
Yet the Empire more advance and its ships are more armed for ship and planetary bombardment
>The empire ships are only good for spreading fear
Ground wise, yeah, but space wise the Empire is essentially a moving iron curtain of turbo lasers. Give them some time to incorporate Mon Calamari shields and to begin mass producing X-Wings and B-Wings, you get a damn near impenetrable force.
Emp United Republic ships also capable of planetary bombardment. Even if they were advanced, their ships were still weak against fighters that can take it down with ease. After all, imperial ships didn't have it's own defensive point lasers.
Thats bs everyone knows the Republic and CIS would win, and all you talked about was the empire the whole video wtf
Which is ironic, because the death star is naught but a paperweight-- the real power lies in the X-wing squadrons and rebel corvettes!
@@yamcha8309 Well No But Actually No
Lord Yamcha rebels would be annihilated by the amount of CIS Starfighters....not to mention the Clones
I mean, I don’t see why anyone would believe in the stormtroopers who can’t hit the side of a barn from inside the barn. Also, I would think that the storm troopers are a bit less armored, 1 shot usually takes them down, and the clones can actually aim. The fighters of the rebels and the empire would be a problem for the republic and cis, but one that they could get rid of, seeing the sheer amount of vulture droids, and the skilled republic pilots. Once they get rid of them, they could easily bomb the empires big capital ships, and take out the rebel ships after that with the power of the republic and cis navy.
Your right, but if the Rebels said "Hope" 10 thousand times all the bad guys go away. Simple
Freighttrains editing are hilarious and I love his nonchalant style
I love how this is so different it’s hilarious
Love the editing, contrasts with your more serious tone and makes an overall great product.
The Empire is basically doing all the work.
There are a few issues the key of which you pointed out yourself.
First: Palpatine is often blinded by his own pride and this is a trait mirrored by much of the Imperial high command. Perhaps against such a large force, his overconfidence would be cooled.
Second: you mentioned Palapatine’s inability to predict the Skywalkers. I think it’s important to keep in mind that a United Republic and CIS will include not only Anakin, but Obi Wan, Windu, And Yoda in their prime. As of the battle of Endor, Luke was nowhere near his full potential and, while still a powerful force user and his power combined with Palpatine and Vader would be formidable, I’m not convinced they could outmatch the experience and combined might of their younger counterparts. Vader especially would find himself hard pressed to fight his younger self, a younger Obi Wan, or possibly even Grevious
Third: the empire is efficient, but even if the rebel alliance cooperated with them, other rebellions are inevitable. The imperial war machine is considerable, but it is also one built on fear and forced labor. I can’t see a prolonged inter-galactic/dimensional war doing anything but worsening conditions for the empire. Besides, many in the rebel alliance were those whose only motivation was to overthrow the Empire. That’s what made it a Rebellion. There were many defectors among the alliance ranks, and I believe these would turn to the Republic or CIS rather than go back to the Empire.
Fourth: the empire hasn’t proven itself in combat. The Jedi served as the main command structure of the clone wars, and Palpatine had them purged. The officers that didn’t abandon the Empire were mostly either greedy, corrupt, or very old-guard, and the new commanders, while some were undoubtedly brilliant, have all only had true experience dealing with rebel factions. I’m not convinced many of the empire’s commanders would stand a chance against a clone army guided by even a minor Jedi, though the tactician droids of the CIS would most likely fall short.
Fifth: Galactic Civil War ingenuity falls far short of that found in the Clone Wars era. The republic and CIS were constantly one-upping each other with better tech, while the Empire has reached a point of stagnation, and the rebellion has little to no access to resources and so must steal or improvise most of their equipment. The empire and CIS are devoted to the creation of new weapons, and they have the extra benefit of the alien corporations such as the techno union and trade federation. The Empire’s reliance on centralized industry does make their war machine more efficient, but leads to the mass production of technology that is just not effective, such as the ATAT.
I could be led to agree that the Empire has an advantage, but I think the margin is much closer than you suggest. In sheer size and brute strength, the empire is better, but Death Stars And SSD’s can be destroyed by surgical and even accidental attacks, and even if the whole galaxy was mobilized, such losses would still be felt. At the very least, a war with the clone wars factions would lead to an economic crisis if not total collapse. The republic and CIS would also probably be put under considerable strain, but in victory, their economies would be in “recovery” not in “collapse” the difference being that the CIS and republic would be brought closer through war and work together to fix the damage done, while the empire would be fractured by it, and most likely go straight back to fighting the alliance when all was over.
Great video though. I loved all the editing. It looked like a lot of work. I miss the good boi at the end though, but if I want to see him, I can just look at one of your older videos. Keep up the good work! Watching your vids is as addictive as reading wookiepedia.
I can't believe that I didn't know about this vid until now. I hoped you would make this one for awhile now.
Didn’t the CIS have a few quadrillion droids???
Clones supplemented hoards of droids being lead by Jedi generals vs some Stormtroopers and maybe a small amount of Rebels. Prequel wins most ground battles.
Giant Capital ships with heavy shields and weapons in ABUNDANCE vs Smaller carrier like ships with limited weapons and smaller Droid ships with decent weapons and shielding. Original trilogy wins most space battles (Ship to Ship)
The advantage here is the Prequels have kickass starfighters so that would make up for there deficit for their navy. If they focued very heavily on starfighters instead of Capital ships that prolly cannot compete with Imperial ships then In think the prequels take the cake.
the prequels also had the malevolence which would destroy imperial fleets
Frothy Walrus in space just take Empire and Rebel tech and apply it to Republic that’s all. Also droid swarming/Escorts with Republic bombers will destroy ISDs
Sense the only real problem why the malevolence even got found out was bc the Republic had jedi if the cis and republic used a few of them along with special built fleets they could prevent all escape and communications as they wipe out fleet after fleet the problem with grievous was he was fighting a council of jedi advising with the jedi helping him his plans would go snooth as he was always over confident and cocky leading to all this problems and failures
Easy prequels the venators are meant to be used to carry star fighters and the cis has very powerful battleships to protect them and the b2 battle droid and the clones together will crush the empire and rebels
Just unleash a B3 on them and 1000s of Stromtroopers are dead
AMAZING VIDEO
Zerg, from StarCraft, invasion of Reach
Kenneth Kates The Imperium would just come in and stomp zerg Lol
Imperium? maybe, but reach is a halo planet, and no faction in that universe (including the flood) would be able to deal with the Zerg's hyper evolutionary virus.
SkyTech RTS perhaps but the flood and the zerg are very similar to each other getting back to the topic the zerg would probably destroy the defenses at reach at the battle of reach
Infestation exists
Easy Zerg win
beast ICY Ignorant IoM fanboy never care to read the topic.
Harrower Dreadnaught vs Venator Star Destroyer
Kenneth Kates
You have made alot of comments
Venator is 3000 years newer and 200ish metres longer, has strong sheilds and 400 fighters, will stomp a harrower
In his match ups the ships are assumed to have the same ere tech to make it fair.
If its same tech the venator won't really be a venator
I think it would be more bringing the harrower to clone wars standards rather than making a venator to old republic standards
The clone wars era is still my favorite
This editing was beautiful lol
Would the CIS potentially team up with the Rebels? They did agree on a few key subjects, and the empire is still the republic
Jerry Baklycki Palpatine started the clone wars to get the CIS supporters out of the way. If he tried to form the empire the forces that joined after CIS would have joined the rebellion.
Palpatine would have lost a straight up Battle.
"You are against the Empire, I am against the The Republic. Now, the Republic has become the Empire. I accept your logic, we are on the same side." -General Kalani
Halo Valiant Class SuperHeavy cruiser vs Star Wars MC-75 Cruiser
okay, this "stormtroopers can't aim" is now getting annoying. There is a lot of evidence that they have good aim.
First when we were first introduced to the stormtroopers, they take over tantive 4 killing all the crew members
Leia, also gets stunned by a stormtrooper
On Tatooine, obi-wan said the shots were too précised to be tusken raiders and it had to be stormtroopers
and stormtroopers kills a group of Jawas
In deathstar 1. they used smokescreen to catch the stormtroopers off guard
vader and Tarkin told the stormtroopers to let them live to find out where the rebel base is
on Hoth. the cold assault troopers and Vader take over echo base
on Bespin, R2-D2 made a smoke screen to let the protagonist escape
in Endor, numerous ewoks gets shot as well as Leia's speeder bike destroyed by scout troopers
in rogue one, the stormtroopers lose but do damage on Jadha and Scarif
death troopers kill Chirrut îmwe, Baze malbus and Bodhi rook
the only time when their aim was bad was when Han Solo was escaping Tatooine. obviously plot armour. Everything about the stormtrooper aim is getting annoying. it was fun while it lasted but I think everyone now thinks their aim sucks
Yeah but the stormtrooper corp was still inferior to the clones. They also were a small portion of the army.
@@totallynotpotato9268 Yea, they are under the clones but they aren’t that weak, they’re fairly strong if they can take over the galaxy
@@thefakecoconut agreed
@@thefakecoconut they didnt take over the galaxy the clones did who were replaced by weaker human individuals
@@xX-Defaultylogin yes but they still maintained the order for years, they are definitely weaker but they aren’t as weak as people say they are
I would really really drastically love to see another version of this video except with the rebellion and the CIS fighting against the clone wars era Republic and empire as I feel that that's a lot more interesting!