Would You Consider the $10,000 Chinese BYD Seagull EV?
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2024
- New EVs are expensive! BYD, the Chinese automaker known for inexpensive EVs, recently said its opening a production facility in Mexico. With production capacity in a NAFTA country, it's possible that BYD plans on entering the U.S. and Canadian market.
The Seagull, currently made and sold by BYD, has a starting price around $10,000 USD for a complete car. We take a look at the Seagull, and explore it both inside and out to see if there are any real tradeoffs for a truly affordable EV, and speculate on if BYD will be building its dreams with U.S. customers soon.
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The only reason the US automakers would be scared is it will force them to make lower priced cars and hurt their bottom lines. They love their overpriced cars
We straight up can not compete, they will go out of business not have to lower their prices..
if you're the 1%
China's efficient manufacturing industry was slandered as overcapacity by Yellen.
Trade protection will only make US companies lazier and fatter.
Our labor costs in this country would still price us out of the market. Cost of goods to build the vehicle is only half the issue
Convince congress to subsidize every EV made by $30,000 and you has an affordable ev car made in US. This is what China is doing to crush your manufacturing base.
I drive a BYD Dolphin here in Brazil. That's another very well executed hatchback. Formerly the cheapest EV from BYD (now the Seagull is cheaper still). I can't praise it enough. Such a great little EV. Very efficient, great warranty, well priced (even when compared to traditional ICE models). I hope you guys in North America get some of their models sooner rather than later. It's game changing.
I reside in the U.S.A. and wanted to purchase the BYD Seal.
the US elites want to ban chinese EVs in US
they just tied the subsidies to Ukraine, to Israel and banning of chinese EVs into one single proposal together in congress in US
so either to pass it to get all 3 or ban all 3
Hello! Thanks for watching and commenting. I'm glad you're enjoying your Dolphin. I was super impressed by the Seagull. Based on what I had heard, I figured the car would be good, but it was far, Far, FAR nicer than I ever expected.
- Craig
Dolphin is safe also. It has the highest Euro NCAP safety score in its class.
@@seveglider8406 Drove the Seagull last week, I'm not new to EV's and have driven some recent ones (BMW iX, Audi Q8 eTron, Volvo XC40 and Jaguar iPace)
I swear the Seagull feels just as well if not better put together than those, the design gets lots of compliments (I drove a light metallic blue), handling is soft but very sure footed and performance off the line makes a BMW M3 F80 feel somewhat sluggish.
Here in Colombia we only get the dual motor 520hp version, it's priced a a bit over 60k USD, for our market that's a great price, about the same as a mid range 4 cylinder BMW 330 or a base C Class.
I just bought one of these in Chile, where it costs $23,000 ($19,500 + 19%
VAT). VERY impressive car even for 23K
How come it's 19k and not 10K in Chile?
@@larryc1616 Every country has their own fcukery -- it's called politics...
@@larryc1616 Import fees. Countries impose high import fees on Chinese cars, especially the West. Mostly this is because there's great suspicion regarding China subsidizing and forcing the market to be cheap, in capitalism this is called unfair competition and it breaks the system. It's not like it's the first time, China in the past suddenly FLODDED western markets with cheap steel, this led to many Western companies going bankrupt. It's doing the same now with solar panels and cars. Now you think "omg that's amazing! Better for us consumers in the West!" It's not that simple, mostly in the short term. Relying only on China because it's cheap for the West will lead to trade imbalances, job loss, and economic dependence (issues with security of the products and things like not being possible to enforce working conditions or quality standards etc).
The solution is: tax them until prices are similar to western manufactures, which leads to consumers continuing to have choice of product (important for capitalism) because now you can buy a western one or a Chinese one for a similar price, and if you prefer the Chinese one, it will only boost tax revenue of the government which will benefit you and me. Note that states don't ban Chinese products (except the US, but the US is always special) they just want to prevent economic damage from these "flood products" exactly what China wants to happen. China is not doing it out of the goodness of their heart, ask all the African countries that are heavily indebted to China because of their goodness.
Yea but 23k is much more than 10k. makes it much less appealing for this glorified golf cart
I guess you'd have to ask BYD's representative in Chile about that.
Forget it, we’re lucky to even have TikTok to last this long…😏
wrrrr
Let’s go Brandon !
More proof American ev’s are overpriced
They're getting stuffed with a bunch of things we would like, but don't need, without the option to drop it. BYD is showing how cheap it could be without the excess. It's what the majority have been asking for.
It has more to do with labor costs
In the US you dont earn 200$ / month and you dont have 5 days / year vacation,like in China
American car companies should be forced, by law, to tell the public how much each unit cost them to make!
When the public sees the disparity & the profit they are making, prices should fall!
@@rongendron8705 They make less than 5% profit, often base model vehicles are sold at cost
We need this to fight inflation
sadly Elon have put too much money on lobbying. and the government have already denied inflation.
@@stefenleung Dirty politicians just don't care of inflation...
Inflation started by politicians. Who do you think is paying for the Chinese import duties?
You voting for biden or trump? Your answer is in one of those 2
@@bisdakboyzhub9150 I won’t vote this time. Cannot bear the fact of picking dementia over lying machine.
The BYD Seagull (or Dolphin Mini as it's called here) was the best selling EV here in Brazil for the month of March (it was released on the last days of February, so March was the first month it was effectively on sale).
Second in the best selling EVs list was its big brother, the BYD Dolphin.
BYD is already outselling Ford here in Brazil. And I don't mean just Ford EVs, but all Ford cars, including its internal combustion cars.
This is what American politicians should be aware of. If US carmakers can't get their EVs to compete with the Chinese ones in both price and quality there's a good chance Chinese EVs will kill US car exports, not to mention China - which has the largest car market in the world, roughly twice as large as the US car market - might retaliate by closing its market to US-made vehicles or even prevent US carmakers from operating factories in China. Protectionism for the US auto industry, thus, could very well end weakening that industry in the medium to long term.
Looking at the BYD King (aka Chazor) PHEV, I think it could sell very well in Brazil and potentially become the best selling sedan in the country if priced right (it is only slightly more expensive than the Seagull in China).
But here is what I'm thinking about regarding Brazil: BYD is moving very fast. They are replacing platforms every 3-4 years, whereas a typical automaker takes multiple times as long. Not just styling refreshes, which they do regularly, but new platforms. For example, the Song Plus/Seal U EV (launced in 2021 in China) is scheduled to be replaced with a new generation on the new EV 4.0 platform in China in August, a matter of months after being launched in some global markets. That does not give them much time to recouperate the investment...
So, could BYD potentially be planning to ship all the current generation platform tooling to countries like Brazil, to update and manufacture for local markets? Other automakers have done similar in the past. This would let BYD take costs down even further. And, given their rate of updates, their cars would still be more advanced than most competitors.
@@larryevans6739 I'm not sure reusing old tooling to make the previous platform in Brazil (or any other of their factories) would be beneficial to BYD. The new platform isn't just about improving the technical characteristics, it also costs less to manufacture.
EVs are still at the point where design and manufactures techniques are evolving crazily fast, bringing manufacturing costs down for those that can stay at the cutting edge. Anyone not on the cutting edge of manufacture is stuck with higher production costs, meaning they will likely have to sacrifice margins just to not be priced out of the market.
no such thing as bigx or not, doesnt matter
Average Americans have been ripped off by GM, Ford and Tesla for god knows how many years.
The US does not want to discuss long-term plans, and anything that happens four years from now has nothing to do with Biden.
Wow! Amazing quality for just $10,000. BYD are killing it. Again, as always, great presentation and work. Much Appreciated, much respect.
Thank you so much. We appreciate it!
- Craig
@@craigcole5497 You are welcome sir.
I heard nothing about A/C or heat, and the effect those will have on the range. Also, what about the ride quality. Price isn't everything. One of the reasons it is priced so low is because all the tooling and research and development costs are paid by the government. In the US, the cost of developing the factories and tooling are adding to the cost. You can't just slap a motor and battery in a gas car and turn it into an EV.
@@tomnesler2089 yeah as if the government didnt give millions to tesla
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
Absolutely! Stop the political corruption and corporate greed. The good of many should prevail and let the average Americans buy affordable EVs! Global economy is about competition!
European cars are far too expensive here in New Zealand
But Biden would be convinced that this is definitely a major threat to US national security.
We need BYD in Canada now. Everything here is so expensive and unaffordable. BYD will give other car brands a good run for their money.
Yes, Canada should follow Australia's lead and improve relationships with China plus accept these Chinese EV's, I'd take one or two in a heartbeat!
Improving relationship with China but angering USA? nah, not gonna happen
Canadian here. I'd buy one.
Canadian here as well and would likely buy one of these vs spending 4x the amount on the cheapest EV available in Canada
@@harissonbond7499 I have seen byd electric car on the road once here in Montreal, maybe imported by individual
Hopefully some day, BYD will be available in the U.S.A.
It can't come soon enough. I want cheap low-cost transportation here in California!
@@1HeatWalk Have You seen the BYD Seal?
you need to speak to your politicians first 🤣
@@roddiechan I have continually written my elected officials about this and many other issues. Sadly too many members of Congress are bought and paid for by organizations who want to make sure China doesn't sell any cars in the U.S.A. They're OK with most of the other products China produces and markets here. If You're an American You should be angry about this because it affects You as much as every other American!
Never gonna happen.
Having driven the car, it is amazing value for money, it does exactly what it says on the tin competently and without fuss. It seems solidly built and for most commuters with would be ideal only needing to charge twice a week for a 15 mile each way drive. Air con is great by the way
I think drivers around the world are thirsting for real back-to-basics transportation, even in the U.S. Hell, I wouldn't mind a car with crank windows, a cowl vent and analog gauges.
- Craig
@@craigcole5497 Whatever floats your boat
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@@zes7215 Try complete sentences
But Biden would be convinced that this is definitely a major threat to US national security.
Honestly whoever complained a good quality and cheap thing is not a good thing should be jailed for humanity sake.
Janet Yellen complained. She should be locked up.
that's brutal bro🤣
But Biden would be convinced that this is definitely a major threat to US national security.
Oh really? And it doesn’t bother you that the Chinese use slave labor to produce vehicles so cheaply?
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
I wish we had this as an option in the US. Politicians need to get out of the way.
the politicians just tied the subsidies to Ukraine, to Israel and banning of chinese EVs into one single proposal together in congress in US
so either to pass it to get all 3 or ban all 3
will US stop aiding Israel? hell no, so, it will automatically banning BYD too
its from TV news here in China
The lobbying group of oil companies and the politicians they support: Don't touch our cake！
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
Western consumers must thank China for the affordable EV for them
no only EV, remember China enter market, it bring the price down. Your TV, wash machine, Friger and ect. Your cell phone, your internet, Now EV, in recent future, EV price will drop by 50% at least.
@@JJ-yg1sf Our Wages also fell. China mart put many small businesses in the US out of business. This is just the next phase of this. The problem for the west is systemic. The global system moves industry to asian for a quick buck and now they're starting to own the world.
China had 1.5 billons of slaves ,working for 200$ / month and had the right to take 5 days of vacation /year. Would you like that kind of working condition in US?
@@cristiangeorgescu1951 What a shame huh, but remember you have to work much much harder to maintain your quality of life without those cheap "slave product", from your cloths to your cell phone. Think about it, they are actually sacrificing their quality of life (if it is) for your enjoyment. Why complaint? Aftercall, it's all about economy.
Tuose slaves are adding 2.6 trillion a year to their saving every year. And its mostly automation in those EV factories now
I want this but I am sure my politicians will protect me from it for national security reasons.
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
Definitely a buy. Engineers dream.
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
This car will serve me well in my town. It is visually pleasing. I like the minimalist design and the affordable price. All I need are A/C, heat, and standard navigation. I don't need any bells and whistles.
US market cars are overpriced by about 33% . A NAFTA entry of the BYD EV like this even at $15K to comply with USA specs is still way cheap. I was shock to see 2024 Ford Ranger STX equivalent for only $22K (sales tax included) in the Philippines. A California Ranger STX is $33K (sales tax x of 9% included).
Fords in the Phillipines are made in Thailand where labor is cheap, I think
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
I'm not considering, I'm waiting for It. 😂❤🎉
This or the Model 2. I just want a compact EV for commuting, and a small truck that has a full size bed. I'll have to get an old one and fix it up I think.
If the Seagull is ever sold in 'Murica, I think you'll be impressed by the build quality, comfort and interior materials. Thanks for watching and commenting!
- Craig
wrrrr
Just put a reservatgion for one here in Colombia, it was officially launched just this week and it has already caused lots of controversy and some price cuts among even more "premium" EV's and hybrids.
Awesome! Bring on the competition! But will we pretend only North America exists?
They are slapping a tariff on that bad boy so it won't be cheap.
So all our manufacturers can get cheap stuff but we the average Joe get hit with a tariff.
actually, the smart Chinese have built factory on Mexico and with the America-Canada-Mexico trade agreement, it can technically dodge the tariff. It's same as why US still running when they claim a great reduction on the China import but in fact China goods just import to Mexico and then redirect to US.
But the US government will abuse "nation security" for anything now regardless how ridiculous it's.
These people trash China quality, but actually they buy a lot of parts and components from China OEMs and rebrand as their own.
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
Turns out the US doesn't like competition or free markets! Hahaha! This car would wipe the floor with what is sold in the US. "The Invisible Hand" is quite obviously visible.
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
I think it’s a great budget car. It would help countries get more ppl to convert to EV. But in the US, the government needs to let the ppl there decide if they want buy a BYD or not. Ppl should have the freedom to pick.
Sadly, America is turning into the land of the not so free.
You can rent a BYD car or even a SUV here in Colombia for a very low price compared to gas cars, we like it, works fine, doesn't get hot, no gas smell when you leave it in the garage the whole night, etc.
In Mexico and South America, the name's been changed to the Dolphin Mini
different model
Never ever possible in USA, they can ban Tik tok, they also can ban Chinese cars😂
Yes we want it here in America please 🙏
Yes but the auto and gas lobby doesn’t
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
I'm in Canada and if I was in the market for an electric car this is what I would buy. I have no desire for an electric sports car or SUV, I would only be after an affordable, practical commuter/ grocery getter. I actually hope we get them here, but I seriously doubt the govts will permit it.
"...some Americans will be reticent to purchase a Chinese-manufactured vehicle". You mean, like Volvos and Polestars?
And some Buicks and others. Strange how they’re not the target of the anti-China regulations.
Or everything bought and sold at Walmart, Costco, Sam's, home depot, drugstores, target, Amazon, ebay, every b&m and internet purchases?
Lotus and MG too
Covid the only thing out of China that lasted more than a fortnight.
US Volvo 60's and 90series are built here
Yes I would buy one.
Range is 250 miles which is acceptable, charging time at max rates is 30 minutes from 20 to 80 percent. Tesla just canceled the cheap EV so this would eat them up if it comes to the USA.
but it won't, thanks to the upcoming tariffs that will be increased to 100% in USA
@@user-uo5nu7jd6n Very true, if the tariffs come to pass (and as you state, probably will).
Tesla didn't cancel model 2. They are just extremely slow.
honest and fair review.loved it
Looks good. Makes sense. People will buy it. Better slap a 100% tariff on it.
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
Yes i would buy this any day in USA 🇺🇸
Americans are hooked on +6,000lb trucks and SUVs which sell for $80,000. Most won't buy a cheap, efficient, eco-friendly vehicle, it's too un-American.
Its not a 10K car, after a hefty tariffs and taxes it is 10k.
in China it would cost under $5k
U mean its a 20k car in us, in china it costs 10k.
Actually, in China it currently costs just shy of $10K after a 5% price reduction (a permanent one, not a sale). That is the list price, with no subsidies.
Outside China it often costs double that. Which still makes it very worth the price.
Case in point, here in Brazil the Seagull costs more than the Renault Kwid E-Tech (think a rebranded Dacia Spring). Nevertheless, the Seagull, from a Chinese company that a year ago was essentially unknown in Brazil, is selling close to 20x more that Renault's cheaper offering. Brazilian customers are finding the Seagull a much better value proposition despite it being about 15% more expensive than Renault's offering.
@@FabioCapela BYD gets money directly from the Gov in China for the subsidize, so its not the consumer see. The BYD ATTO3 in China is $16k. In Sweden the ATTO3 starts at $53k, which is more than a Model 3.
@@AndrewTSq Every vehicle manufacturer in Chian can get subsidize, Tesla the same. The reason oversea atto3 is much more expensive is due to taxes and dealer pricing. In Germany France Italy, the price is around 40k.
@@AndrewTSqwow! Here in the Philippines the Atto3 is priced at around $32k. So I guess that's the reason I see a lot on the roads today just like it's little brother the BYD Dolphin 🐬
Fun topic suggestions for new vids!
- The BYD Seagull in developing countries (market possibilities, charging potential - I bet the UN or some NGO has done several reports...). Hey we all breathe the same air, right? Might make for a fun trip to Rio to check out the Dolphin at least!
- A goofy/snarky review and update of of Who Killed The Electric Car? I am very sure we could have seen 200 mi range EVs in the 90's. Remember what Nissan did to poor Carlos?
- My 2013 Leaf is now retailing for about -$2,500 (I think, after tax incentive)!!! It's an AWESOME car! I shamefully admit, when I bought it, I thought it might be a golf cart. What expert would know about the deals are out there now, how well batteries are holding up on used EVs, repair and maintenance cost comparisons, how much a refurb replacement battery is for a popular model (like a Leaf?), and maybe a few testimonials from buyers? (several vids there I'm sure)
- How developing countries might do off-grid charging (yeah not sure this has been done, but it seems possible with Lightning-style bi-directional charging plus solar panels and a stationary battery...)
I've seen an increase on BYD PHEV and EV vehicles in Mexico.Hopefully when the plant is ready and functioning we could se more of these cars on the road
Nice option for the single person/couple/one-child household
It's a 4-seater, can have a couple with 2 kids in the back. Mind you might be getting a bit cozy in such a small car.
Some Americans keep yapping that Chinese EVs are trash and yet here we are some other Americans wanted to know how to make their own cheap EV from a Chinese EV
What's the range? What are the crash ratings?
Where can I buy one ?
Australians would flock to the Seagull like birds on the beach fighting over fish and chips.
I want to buy one. Can we get them Down Under? BYD is the most amazing vehicle, EV (Electric Vehicle) or CV (Combustion Vehicle), in the market today. BYD has started to make REPLACEABLE battery packs, where you drive into a Battery Station, and in 3 minutes (faster than fuelling a CV) drive off. They have built detachable Battery packs where you roll into a Battery Station, a robotic conveyor belt detaches the battery pack underneath the car and replaces it with a charge battery pack.
You are talking about NIO. They are the only big player in replaceable battery EV. NIO has some presence in Europe. I never heard about BYD producing EVs with replaceable battery.
This is good for the American consumer. Hopefully now Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc will sell more affordable electric vehicles.
It's still way over my price range, I'll have to wait till they hit the second hand market.
The premium; EV chips, EV mobility, EV battery, EV charging, Vehicle-to-Grid, AV mobility, gigafactory, and international power grid domains are up for acquisition at the "EV Domain Store". Important for China in creating the global ecosystem of electrification. "Land, Sea, Air, and Space".
Looks like a perfect city car.
china is working hard to fight clima change. however, it is the west now that does not want to hear anything about clima change. very strange.
People need to understand that there is no way in hell that this car would ever be allowed to be sold in The US, UK, or anywhere in the vast majority of the west for 10k. It's 10k in China because of many reasons, possibly the main one being wages. Workers on car production lines in China are paid a quarter of those in the likes of the US and the UK the materials and everything that goes into the car are significantly cheaper and they don't have half as many hoops to jump through for various regulations and stuff.
If this ever comes to the west you can expect a minimum price of 25k but I'd guess between 30 and 35k. A line worker here gets paid roughly 50k a year at BMW, in China that same worker gets paid around 12k so they can buy this car with their yearly wages and you can buy a BMW or an Audi or a Tesla with yours. The average house price in China is a 3rd of the price of a house in the UK so they're even worse off with that.
Essentially if you're willing to take a pay cut down to 25% of your current salary then perhaps you can have it for 10k.
As an American, I think US car companies deserve this. They took away all our cheap options and only work on expensive vehicles that are built like crap to maximize profits.
Definitely! ❤
What about reliability? What kind of warranty on the cat and the battery?
I had the same question. Everyone just keeps talking about the price, but it's hard to beat the reliability of a Toyota or Honda
BYD EVs have been the City Taxi for more than a decade in Shenzhen
If ever these seagulls are sold here in the us, you know the stealerships will tack on a $20k to $30k market adjustment.
Equinox is competitive at $27,500. There are only $10k BYD are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $22k.
I had an egolf with about 36kwh. It got an epa 125 miles of range, and that was a good representation for its range. There's no way this thing is going twice as far off 4 kWh more than the egolf
Ist schon schön, dieses Auto! 👍
Bring it on :)
This car is in my wish list...!
America should have plenty ev cars .. if competition is available. They need to make car like this.
Great city car for like 90% of needs. European cities were/are hooked on tiny cars for commuting. This is a great addition.
Does it use lithium batteries or sodium batteries?
LFP battery
I will take 2 please
BYD Seagull seems to be the next VW Beetle in terms of how it is poised to takeover worldwide. Definitely the EV lots of people have been waiting for. Just a simple electric car with no frills and excessive extra garbage that just drives up the price.
Bring to America! We need cheaper but great options. Not these overpriced dated blocks of tech driving around trying to compete with Tesla.
Sell it in the US, then inflation will go away.
Wow, great 10K card! Get that plant completed and market this car toU.S drivers! Bob Campbell
This is a great car for short drive to work or shopping at Walmart. And is even better in the city.
Absolutely
I'm surprised it has disk brakes but that's good beacuse you don't need to send it to a special shop to get it replaced that's smart
I would get one if it's available in the US.
Damn good price looks nice .
Yes
There are only $10k BYD Seagulls in China and only so because of enormous government subsidy and lower standards of safety. They are preparing one to meet standards for export to Europe and it's over $20k.
In United States, you can use two months salary to buy Seagull as a wonderful gift for your wife and daughter.
Tesla 3 Twin Motor owner here and I want a pair of seagulls for city driving.
Car price 10k
Dealer add on- 9k
Market adjustment -8k
Extended warranty-3k
Taxes and fees -3k
Total 33k with interest 8%
Finally 700$ per month for 72 months😂
Only $500 for Pinstriping
The American way .... Everyone got to eat....
I will buy 2 of them if this car available in the America
I would but the US won't allow citizens to buy it because our own industries are outdated and not competitive. Instead, they want ban computers because they want to protect their typewriter companies.
What is it like in a bad winter? What is it like after 75K miles on poor roads? Etc.
It seems like the build quality is better than a Tesla
How does seagull remind you of taco Bell parking lot?!
That was really a dumb joke that makes absolutely no sense.
Craig lives close to a Great Lake and seagulls are a common occurrence.
Seagulls are know to hang out in fast food restaurant car parks, what's difficult to understand about that.
I would buy two of them
The last thing we need are disposable cars, yet we seem to be headed for that.
I hope they never get to the United States, but I'm glad they exist. The more of these around the world, the better.
I will buy this any day
The key for USA Adoption is finding a out the door price at 18K, because at 18K The 2022 Chevy Bolt's with miles under 40K will become commonplace beginning at the end of 2025
and start of 2026 at that same 18K for the majority of people who can take advantage of the 4K used EV Federal Tax credit program. If they attempt to go beyond 20K, much less adoption, but of course if the oil/energy supply is being very disrupted in the next 2 years from war and a paradigm shift in alliances, who know's , my hunch is that the average price of gasoline could increase overnight another .75 cents to 2.00 in the USA during this time period, and EV demand might skyrocket, but open trade alliances between country's is on the verge of falling apart.
I hear this little car has the big western EV makers scared. Good. That industry needs a good shakeup. Start importing these to the US and a couple years after I may buy a used one if safety and durability prove to be good. It wasn’t too long ago that you could buy a decent used vehicle in the 5-10k range and it would be nice to be able to do so again
Look for tata punch ev in INDIA for only $12000 with 35 kilowatt battery with a actual range of 300kilometer
Yes enuf said
Even after tariffs it’ll be worth it in the US.
10k?! In a minute I'd buy it for 12.5k *IF*
1. It doesn't come with notoriously bad Chinese instructions.
2. It comes with a real warranty and robust support (readily available parts and people who can fix what breaks).
3. It has a range of at least 200 miles.
4. It comes all set up for at-home charging.
"Commie car" or not, I think it'll sell great in the US. But, it's a niche vehicle, an "around town" car for errands and commuting. It can't do anything else, like hauling, towing or any type of offroad driving. Plus it's probably not good in the snow and it's definitely not a "luxury" vehicle.
I don't think this car will have much of an effect on the current market since an SUV and/or a truck is considered a necessity in the US.
No doubt though, GM will one day rebadge these with some Americanized touches and add 3 or 4k to the price. If they keep it @ 14k (max), it's bound to be a huge hit.
(The guy in the video suggested upwards of 20k if sold in the US. Definately would not buy one at that price).
What an excellent review! There are some concerns though...
This is a bit of clickbait, since you admit that Americans probably won't be able to get one for $10,000 (so it's not really something we can consider!). Still, you hit most of the major points. I would have liked to know whether it will have airbags, and it will have to be crash tested, etc.
If it's $20,000 anyway, I am not sure American OEMs need to be "terrified." As of recently you could get a Bolt for that much, which would clearly be a safer choice at this point. What would really terrify the OEMs are reasonably priced full-sized EV pickups and SUVs. That's where they make their money.
Side note: I hear you can still get $15k discounts on a Lightning. I got mine and it's awesome!
The only number we know is the conversion to USD from the Chinese market, which is $10,000. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sorry if you feel that's a bait-y title.
Any car to go on sale here will have to be crash tested, have air bags, and meet FMVSS requirements for safety features (like a backup camera). It's unclear how easily a car like this would pass those tests.
You're right about the Bolt, but that is very quickly becoming a used car only affair. The new one will be built on Ultium and the price will go up as a result.
Any new car, especially an EV, less than the average transaction price for a new car (which is nearing $50,000) should be a source of alarm for U.S. automakers. These Chinese automakers have full lineups that could come in less than their American counterparts and younger people aren't brand loyal per recent data. That's why you're seeing to government acting quickly to try to ban their sale - they know people will be interested in more-affordable cars.
@@EVPulse Thanks, and I an enthused about your channel, but we will just agree to disagree:
- It's not going to be $10k in the USA, BUT (and this should be a big BUT) the market in developing countries (Latin America, Africa, India, South Asian countries) could be huge!
- I heard there is now a glut of batteries, which is the major excuse for OEMs to gouge (if they can reduce demand for EVs, Big Oil, the Big 4, and all the stealerships make more $$$). I think 131 kwh of LiFPO was about $11k a while ago, so somebody should be making huge pickups and SUVs for around $39k so consumers stop having excuses. I LOVE my 2013 Leaf (as well as my new Lightning), but I can't see why a new Leaf at $30k would be worth it.
Thanks again for your response tho, and best of luck on your channel! You've got a winner! I will post some topic suggestions in a separate thread...
I would get a top of line byd electric for 20k
74 HP will not be enough for highways. So, this car seems to be good for local drive but not highway drive. Is this car safe? Certainly, this is a wake up call for EV makers to lower their EV prices.
I’m still driving my 1971 VW which only has 55 HP, I have taken it out on long drives across state lines, no issues at all. So a 74 HP car will have ample enough power..
74HP will be plenty for a tiny torquey electric car. Most cars have way more power than they actually need.
Im in Australia, i can buy one if i like, youre just a once great country going down the drain, sayonara Murika.
how did not mention those silver buttons
Can we buy this car in the USA?
Nope.