When things go wrong in the OUTBACK. Flinders Ranges with the family..Part 2
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- After visiting the relatives in Victoria we are heading back through the South Australian outback. We are camped at the Arkaroola Wilderness Sanctuary. In this video we head off on the only road towards our destination that is NOT CLOSED to traffic,Mount Hopeless Road. The day turns into a series of disasters as we battle mud and flooded roads. Fortunately we meet up with another couple who are hoping to reach the same destination. We manage to rescue each other on a number of occasions as we are finally forced to abandon our trip and make the treacherous backtrack in the dark.
More exciting than Seano and Graham on 24/7! Stories are made from adventures like that, what an experience.
Yes, this was actually real, not a staged production
Thank you, and I didn't have a camera crew!! It was great adventure and no-one was injured. The rollover was not good but as for the rest... well we all loved it.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Glad you all ok - wow what an experience - it just shows how easily things can go wrong and escalate - thanks for sharing as we can all learn from that
Thanks Mike for taking the time to watch and comment, Life is one being learning experience ( and one big adventure)John
Hell of an adventure! Good vid.
Fantastic vid! Thanks for taking us on your rides - best way to learn and prepare.
Hi David, we are always learning and it was a great adventure (excluding the rollever) Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Looks like one epic trip, thanks for sharing and great content/commentary too. You took us all there along the adventure. Glad it all turned our well and everyone was safe.
Wow!! 😯Amazing adventure and so glad you are all back safe. Keep up the exciting videos.
Thanks you , I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, John
Great episode
Ignore the losers saying you have no idea. They probably have a ford territory AWD and think they're the ducks nuts.
Thanks for sharing and we all learn from these episodes on what to should or shouldn't do. If the road was closed you wouldn't have entered, but you did and you got out. 👍
You will always remember that trip! Your all safe, which is wonderful. Thanks for sharing 😊
Thank you, Its always interesting to hear from the so called experts who aren't actually out there. We never stop learning and I certainly would not have been there if the road was closed (as it should have been). I appreciate you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Certainly will. Thank you for you comment, John
Wow what a nightmare mate. Crikey you all did an amazing job getting through that trip.
That's one trip you won't forget in a hurry.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Michael, apart from the rollover the rest of the trip was fantastic. Look forward to catching up your channel, John
Well done for reporting so authentically on your stories - really love that you are staying true to yourselves - I subscribed a while back and am looking forward to any new story you have to share - PS: I also plan to purchase a Grenadier :-)
Thanks you , I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, I can only tell it as it is. I hope your purchase is not too far away! John
Very brave of you to put this up. It certainly looks like inexperience caused a few of the dramas. Good to see everyone safe.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
These are the stories that steal the show around the campfire. In the end, these are the stroies that we remember. Stressful at the time but strangely worth it in memory.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Thanks you , I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, John
Drove through this part of the world about 18 months ago in similar conditions. I remember thinking at the time, imagine how much harder this would be towing a van or trailer...... I think I just got to see how much harder it would be. Well done keeping your cool John. It's easy to have 20/20 hindsight, the rim was very bad luck. Well done getting home, interested to see the run down on the Sierra! Looks like it coped really well.
Thanks you , I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, I'll let you know on the Sierra,John
That was quite an adventure. Thanks for sharing in its entirety. I think that when you are there you make decisions based on experience and judgement. You walked the proposed off road route believed it was the best choice. I’m guessing many others would make the same decision. But you owned the situation. Same with the caravan rollover.
Anyway thanks again for sharing your experience with us all.
Thanks John, I appreciate your comment, we do our best, sometimes it's not fact the best option. Each experience is a learning. Cheers John
Wow, what a trip . You did an amazing job both getting through everything and keeping a happy family . Nice to see the Gren helping the Toyota .id love to see you washing the rig off !
Thank you will give you a full report soon.Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
When things go wrong , trips become adventures and lasting memories are made.
Epic stuff John; well done for getting through amd hats off to an unlocked Grenadier! They are bloody competent vehicles.
They sure are Paul, Apart from the van issue this is what they are supposed to be able to do.... and they can! Cheers John
Everyone is in too much of a hurry these days. You find road conditions like that make camp and sit it out, or turn back! The next users of that road are going to be very annoyed with the damage done.
As for the trailer roll over, way too top heavy. As for the wheel rim, steel is only way to go when outback. ☮
Thanks for your comment, it's great to hear everyone's opinion. Cheers John
Hats off to you pulling it through.
Thank you, all good in the end. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Glad it all worked out in the end. it amazing how some rain can really change the situation and sometimes in a very short time.
Yes exactly, thanks Tony, John
I never thought I’d say it, but man I’m glad I don’t need to worry about ad blue 😅
Yes, its more of an issue that I believed, but I think we are stuck with it if we want new diesel vehicles, Cheers John
Awesome Ep and wow what a Adventure you had Guys. You did well to get out of it like you did, Yes that reminds me of the mud alright maybe not that wet but,
Hi Craig, Yes I didn't expect ( or like) the rollover and certainly would not have tackled that road if it had not been open to all traffic. But I did buy the Grenadier to be able to go off the main tracks...guess I might be a bit more circumspect in the future. Thanks again for your interest and comments, I appreciate them as always, John
No worries John love your channel @@cannyoutdoors
haaa what a trip mate 👏 thanks for taken me along you guys did really well with every thing that went wrong you could never tell that story
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks John
A drone would be a useful scouting tool.
Absolutely...and I had one in the car!!! Don't know why I didn't get it out! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Really good series John, looking forward to po s t trip review.
Thanks Allan , will be giving all the details shortly, John
Tough trip. Glad that you are all safe and well.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
This is my backyard.
I live work & play here.
You just don’t drive on these tracks when they are like this.
Usually takes 2-3 days to dry out.
Mess up the tracks and you are not going to be popular with locals.
Roads are usually closed when there has been rain.
Yep and this one should have been closed. Thanks for your comment, I am happy to hear everyone's opinion. Cheers John
Yeah I have to agree with you, it’s not cool and not fair on others to cut up wet tracks. If you can’t get thru then so be it, camp or turn back.
I like your videos but I’m a bit disappointed that you did that.
Glad you are all safe and well. That was a very full on adventure. One to remember.🫣
Thanks you , I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, John
Bloody hell 😮 what an episode 👍
Thank you, I will catch up with your channel. John
Well that was interesting !
We did a similar thing years ago on a back road to Thargomindah, road open one end and closed the other ???
Liked your honesty .
That trip will have a story to tell for many years.👍
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, I will enjoy the adventure (not the rollover) for a long time to come. John
Thanks for sharing! And you are on the right path to knowing your vehicle believe it or not. And as the famous Stewie once said "What did you learn?"
Thank you, I learnt not to blame myself for the lockers when the problem was with the car 🥴! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, John
Adventure mate,great stuff
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Showing the reality of having a go here. It's a brave thing to reveal SHTF in a forest of syrupy travel content from most YT channels. Commiserations, but great there were no injuries. A truism is maybe that things go wrong fastest when tiredness and urgency to reach a destination or blast through something sticky overtake application of logic in slowing down.
Thanks Phil, Appreciate your comment, John
surprised that your towing combination was out peforming the toyota on the mud
That 75 might have had a 1HZ and open diffs, so not much power or traction.
Pretty difficult conditions for all of us. Really the road should have been closed and we should not have been there. Thanks for the comment, John
Or, having capable machines and decent drivers.
This looks like a group of people taking a 4x4 out for the 1st time and having no idea what's going on. @@cannyoutdoors
Good for you putting it all up there, it would have been easier to run with half the story. Glad no-one was hurt. Good to see you responding with good grace, it reflects well on you and there is something to be taken from pretty much every comment. Have a cup of tea, let us know how it turns out with the electrical fault and the Sierra.
Will do, thanks for commenting. We are always learning...hopefully. Cheers John
I went straight up and bought some cheese chutney and salada very nice a great trip
Great Vid!
Thanks you , I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, John
I know you said you were thankful for your swivel hitch but I’m not so sure it wasn’t actually the reason behind your trailer flipping over. Reason I say that is because I’ve had a similar thing happen to me. I have a small Seadoo that I’ve towed behind my truck with a standard ball hitch for years with no problems whatsoever. I bought a military humvee about two years ago that came with a swivel pintle hitch. The first time I used my humvee to pull the Seadoo I hit a small bump in the road that’s in front of my home and it flipped the trailer completely tossing the Seadoo. I’ve hit this same bump hundreds of times before with the same Seadoo and the same trailer with the only difference being the kind of hitch being used and never had a problem. I believe the the ability for the hitch to completely swivel around enabled it to flip over where as my standard ball hitch kept it from being able to rotate completely and flip over. Just my two cents but I thought I’d pass it along so hopefully it won’t happen to you again.
Thank you. Good comment and worth thinking about.
Thanks for sharing. Your errors may help others, know your vehicle and accessories (diff locks) and if you can travel with someone else. Not saying you shouldn't venture on your own, just makes it easier if help is required. Glad you're all safe, that is the important thing as cars and campers can be replaced. The outback is definitely to be respected, it's such an amazing area.
Thanks Kristina for taking the time to watch and comment, I don't disagree John
Well that’s about as tough as it can get!
I agree , but we are all safe and putting it down as part of the adventure. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Cool play in the mud. Looks like your Grenadier might need some rear airbags. Looks a bit saggy in the rear. I think you dealt with these situations very well. Must have been a very tiring day after all.
Must have been an optical illusion re the steering wheel😊
I can only imagine how fun the Grenadier would be to drive if it had 3-pedals.
Yes manual would be interesting, John
Glad you are all okay
Great filming in circumstances that weren't ideal for you.
You should approach the camper trailer company .....they could sponsor you for that amazing durability 360° roll over test, can't get a better testimony than that.
The Grenadier seems to ride those rough roads really really well, that must be a nice feeling .
The sign in your video said road closed from Mt Hopeless to Innamincka. The Balcanoona to Mt Hopeless road would have been closed too.
I assume so but don't really know that road. We need to be able to rely on the road authorities to close the roads.Cheers John
@@cannyoutdoors I expect you would have asked the good folk at Arkaroola before you set off. They'd know better than anyone else.
@@cannyoutdoorsthey do close roads but there's a lot of Km to monitor so it might not be instant.
We are fellow Sierra owners - very interesting to see how tough the trailer is. Great resilience shown by you, your family and fellow travellers 👍 thanks, we really enjoyed how you put the video together. Cheers, Mark and Tracey
Hi Mark and Tracey, to put it bluntly that thing is a tank. When I realised what had happened I immediately thought "write off". But the damage appears relatively minor considering. Everything works all the doors are square. The wood rack, the front locker , the roof rack and the gas bottle surrounds are dented but that appears to be it. It's off to AOR next week so I will be getting a full report then. I'll let you know. Cheers John
Thank you for posting the video. It will help out others to learn.
Roads may not be closed in time.
Make sure to learn to operate diff locks, winch or any other gadgets before getting in to remote areas.
Actually it’s a good practice to operate winch every couple of months to drive out the moisture and maintain it in good condition.
Again, thanks for posting for others benefits.
Yes I agree. Thanks for watching and taking the time to make a comment, John
They were some thin alloy rims for a 4x4. I had alloys years ago and bought some steels because they were 8 kg lighter to handle.
Tough trip that one. I had a careful look at everything and I think there’s an important question. How did the floor plugs go cleaning that mud out? 😉
Hi Mark, yes they were pretty handy, although I didn't hose it out I just washed it and drained the water out there. needed to pot the hose in the outlet to get the mud clear. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Quite an adventure. Won’t be forgetting that trip for a while. Looks like the Grenadier coped ok, but that ad-blue requirement when travelling remote areas is a bit of a concern. Look forward to seeing the reasons for the vehicle ending up on a tilt-tray.
Cheers
Yes I'll let you know shortly. The Adblue usage it much higher that I thought roughly about 10l for 5000ks when I topped up. Not so bad when you get it in bulk at $1.80/l. I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, John
I really don't like Adblue on principle, it's a compensation for a compensation for a compensation & it's reputed to be unreliable.
The proper solution is to make the engine right in the first place rather than throwing in expensive consumables that detract from rather than add to performance.
@@cannyoutdoorsthat consumption may be excessive, you might consider investigating getting the computer remapped.
lI hope all is ok with the car and trailer. Thanks for sharing and, as always, let’s all ignore the trolls!
It’s been fascinating to follow you on your Grenadier experience.
Please keep the videos coming, and give tips to us who are dreaming on owning a Grenadier at some point! I will definitely order steel rims now! :)
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment. I really appreciate and I am taking your advice. John
Thank you for sharing. Good to hear the Grenadier is holding up other than the rim which may be a good indication to buyers to purchase aftermarket alloys instead if you don't want steelies. Cheers
Yes the rim issue is interesting. May just be bad luck but worth noting the tyre was not damaged. Cheers John
Indeed@@cannyoutdoors
This is what adventure is about, mistakes made, gonads big enough to put it up for all to see, equipped with enough gear to get out of most situations, plus satellite comms should things go south.
It's a situation ive been in and it's unavoidable- go back can be as hazardous as going forward. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, something the haters have tonnes of apparently.
Thanks Mike, I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, John
Lucky the tow hitch, is able to do 360. A normal hitch would have bent.
Hope you were able to get the diff locks working.
Yes the tow hitch saved the day. Turns out there was a problem with the lockers that has now been rectified by Ineos. Thanks you , I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, John
WHAT happened to the Grenadier in the end? 😅
Thanks for your content about outback travelling and the Ineos. :)
It got home .
Ill let you know the full details shortly, but basically and electrical problem. Cheers John
Awesome video and adventure! I love all your videos. Keep up the great work!!! I’m learning so much about our car with you.
Btw not sure if you knew, but in order to operate the winch you have to have engine on, powered up on the top panel and most importantly gear in neutral and hand brake on. I found that out playing with my winch since I never owned one and had to flipping through the manual to figure it out. I think they updated the manual for US to include how to use the winch.
Thank you so much, I am glad you are enjoying it and sounds like you are enjoying your vehicle also. Turns out the winch and difflock problem was related and I will be doing a post trip analysis vid shortly. Thank you also for your advice , I appreciate it, Cheers John
I’ve only got 50 or so miles in the car so far. It hasn’t even seen any dirt yet. Living vicariously through your adventures!!! Can’t wait to see the next video! Thanks again for sharing all your knowledge with us.
Differently 1 hell of an adventure. Did you consider camping the night on the side of the road before turning back, or was time an issues.
The young couple we met on the road had the time issue and needed to go back. They did not want to return alone (quite reasonable) so we agreed to go back with them. Thanks for watching and the question, John
hopefully you found out how to lock the differentials now. did the local Greniader deal help you?
Turns out I should not have been blaming myself, I detail the problem in the post trip analysis vid shortly. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Hi mate, firstly thanks for sharing your experiences. Could I trouble you to provide a little more information about the diff locks in your Grenadier? In the video you noted that you had trouble operating them; did you end up using them at all?
Yes and I blamed myself even after having used them previously. Turns out the diff locks were not operating due to an electrical fault which caused a number of issues in the car. I detail them all in a vid shortly. Thanks for your interest. John
Have a sierra myself, and it's good to see it servived. Do you think the wait up top contributed to it rolling? And to your question to should the Grenadier look like that? ABSOLUTELY. If you are doing it properly.
Hi Rick, I don't think so. The weight was properly balance with about 200kg on the ball. The RTT is only 57kg and I only had 40 l fuel up there, the rest of the stuff didn't weigh much at all. I still don't know how at such a low speed it ended up like that. And yes that what I bought the grenadier for!!!😃 Cheers John
@cannyoutdoors probably bad luck. While I have your attention, do you have the measurements for the stonstomper. Some are a bit tricky and would like to compare. Thanks if you can help if not all good👍.
@@cannyoutdoorsit's definitely possible that 34Kg of unsecured load (slopping in the can) contributed to the rollover though the fact the trailer went right onto its roof is more likely the shape of the bodywork.
Large volumes of liquids loose in cans should be carried low & forward, either on the A-frame or directly behind it under the floor. (Water can be filled to the brim preventing slopping if you use several small containers).
Similarly cans of food in boxes or anything else that will move easily in its container.
Wow you have no fear!
Not sure that exactly true, but thank you for watching and commenting, John
Hi John, I assume the trailer has leaf springs, with less vertical travel than the Grenadier's coils. Any critical angle is enough to tip the trailer
Hi Alex no not leaf springs. It has a purpose built off road suspension. Independent coil spring with dual heavy duty shockers on each wheel. Cheers John
@@cannyoutdoorsOK Some geometry working against you. Is the vertical travel, track and centre of gravity of the trailer different to that of the car? unequal tyre pressure?
What a journey. Honestly from what use had been through that section where use turned around didnt look all that?
It is a bit deceiving. the water was deep and went for a long way. The concern was if we got stuck in there there was no way another vehicle could get near us to recover. Cheers John
What an adventure. 😲 Glad no one was hurt in your camper van mishap. What tyre pressures where you running on that road? And will the Ineos warranty cover your broken wheel?
About 23psi. Be interesting to see what Ineos say, but I am not holding my breath! Cheers John
Definitely not taking it slow!
Good to see everyone in one piece. I need a rennie after watching that. Are the rims 18 inch?
No 17" and the tyre is undamaged??? Just bought a set of steelys, might be putting them on next time. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
People with vehicles with SCR the system, should carry all the DEF they need when going outback .
I could agree more good advice. I was in fact carrying 2 litres for emergencies but never got near needing it. Cheers John
The first mistake people make,is going on you tube,and not understanding there vehicle,and I find people just want to rush,maybe not you,but so many travels do,and I don’t know why,I been bog over two weeks once back in the 80,s,never saw anyone slowly dug my way out.your a funny fellow,good video.
Thanks for your comment, I am happy to hear everyone's opinion. Cheers John
Question not criticism…did you let tyres down?
Yes Craig, was running about 20 F and 23R. Thanks for your interest, John
Great adventure! Would love to learn more about the rim failure - was there an obious reason that it failed?
It is currently with Ineos for their opinion (although I have a fair idea as to their response 😠) Tyre wasn't damaged so I am not sure. Might have a better idea when the tyre comes off. Cheers John
tried to connect on linkedin - would like to get in contact - thanks, armin
Ppps- we got caught in flood waters between menindee and wilcannia. 100km of water to the top of the wheels. We had no choice. When we got the troopcarrier back the flood waters with all the silt had chopped out the seals in the transfer case, wheel bearings, brakes. Cost me thousands. Again we had no option. However, in driving to the familie cattle station, if I see water across the roads i dont even try. Its not worth the cost of repair or a potential injury or worse
Thanks for your comment. I agree it's not where I wanted to be that's for sure. John
In fact i feel traumatised by watching this. Diff locks issue? Winch issue, rim issue, also am i seeing things or is the steering wheel got a gap in the leather? 🤔 im having 2 rennies
Not sure what the gap in the leather is? The winch and the difflocks were connected to the same issue as it turns out. I will be detailing it all in the post trip vid out shortly, Cheers John
What size wheels are on your grenadier?
I have been caught out myself out yonder when the rains come so it is not always avoidable. However I must say in this instance it seemed like a folly to be driving on those roads not to mention the damage it would have caused once the waters recede. Overall possibly not your best decision. I think staying put at a safe dry location or not venturing out at all would have been a better choice. Easy for me to say but have to call it as I see it.
Yes I would agree mostly, however we rely on the road authority to advise us of the road condition in the outback. The road was open to ALL traffic and even following the calls (complaints) made to that road they still left that road open. There is no way I would have been there if I had known the condition of the road.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Surprised you kept going when so much water about. Even if the road is not closed doesn’t mean it’s passable. Did you not have an air compressor?
Yes good comment. I guess we expected the road must improve as it was open and had been advised at Arkaroola that it was OK. Still in hindsight is a great thing. And yes has a compressor on board. Cheers John
Have to sya John, nothing is better than Salada's with any thing, hahah
Yep a great on the road snack!!
Hi John, the AOR suspension has very little compression travel, maybe 50 to 60mm at best fully loaded. I reckon you may have hit bottom hard and the rebound forces are massive and maybe on one side compounded with the 100plus kgs on roof and the van was propelled instantly into a rotational flip. I would be certainly not putting those jerries up top. Talk to AOR about extra brackets down lower on rear and front. Then put 20-30mm spring spacers in and fit much better shockers. I have done this with an AOR Matrix and it rides so much better and does not bottom out. Maybe airbags?
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Thanks Peter, I appreciate your advice and I will have the van back with AOR next week so I will let you know the outcome. Cheers John
airbags have less give than a coil setup think what happens when you pump them up to carry load they are at their maxx in compression
that is why they lift up
I’d seriously check your Speedo 🤔
As the saying goes.. you learn by your mistakes. Glad you’s are all
Ok 😊👍🏽
Yes, life is one big learning experience (and adventure ). Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
This is why I don't like the tow couplings the can rotate 360 degrees. I think the extra weight of the car, with a "locked" tow hitch, may have prevented the rollover. BTW, loved the video
Thanks for your comment. The hitch is an interesting one. maybe a locked hitch would in fact have held the trailer as it was at low speed. Don't really know.Thanks for watching and taking the time to make a comment, John
Shit happens mate , fun times at least you got out there with the fam and made some memories 🤙
Yes, thank you, John
Yes, we were in a similar predicament a few weeks ago in my 100 series, it said "4WD only" on this perfectly smooth clay road, okay no biggy. Until it started raining half way through! What a mess, no traction at all, the guards filled up completely, it stopped the car, every step I took I grew about an inch! The shovel was useless. No tree in sight for winching, I was sure I would be camping on that track in northern Qld. But we made it through by the grace of God! The grater driver is probably still swearing at me. Sorry.
But before anybody has their judgements ready to fly in my direction, we had a death in the family and needed to get to the family in FNQ in a hurry!
Thanks Paul, those "experts" passing judgement rarely know the full storey. I appreciate your comment and sorry for your family loss.
John
Thats the road up to our mine site for 3 months of the year. Horrible times
Yes, there we also came across mine vehicles using the road and I suspect that's why they did not close it.
John you're a legend, totally courageous in my eyes after S.A. authorities completly screwed you with inaccurate road information... Well recovered... What an adventure and other than the winch playing up the Grenadier pulled through and towing at same time. Well done mate 🙏
Thanks Kevin, I really appreciate your comment. John
What an ordeal. Steelies for sure and two vehicle spares and two van spares maybe? All weight I know.
You are right on. Just bought a set of new steelies of someone who was swaping to aftermarket wheels. Cheers John
If the hitch didn't spin 360, the tow ball would have stopped it flipping once it bound up. So the hitch isn't as good as you think, as it was what allowed it to flip
Thanks for your comment, it would have been interesting with a fixed hitch to see what Ould have happened. Cheers John
Or the 360° hitch may well have prevented the tow vehicle going over with the trailer.
wet roads are CLOSED roads - you can be made to pay the repair bill!
Exactly why I would never travel on a closed road!
Regarding the winch not working ... As you would know, the winch only operates when the vehicle is in Neutral, Drive or Reverse. I’m wondering if at some stage during your winching operation you may have turned the car off or engaged Park. What you may not realise is that you would then need to re-engage the winch relay by switching the EXT-4 switch off and then on again.
Why would the winch not work in Park if trying to pull another vehicle ?
@@philhealey4443 To prevent damage to the parking pawl in the transmission.
@@GrenadierMichael Fair point.
Thanks Michael, Turns out the problem with the winch was related to the same problem with the difflocks (wasn't my fault after all). I will be releasing a post trip vid shortly explains what has gone on with the car since I got home. Thank you also for your advice, there certainly is a bit of a rigmarole around operating the winch.Cheers John
One needs to understand how to operate their vehicle back to front before tackling the Flinders Ranges in the off season. I’ve been to the Flinders Ranges many times and its has an off season for a reason. I discovered that by speaking to locals. Freak storms and huge amounts of rain out of no where. I hope you’ve got a tyre repair kit?
Thanks for your comment, I am happy to hear everyone's opinion. Cheers John
@@cannyoutdoors think you were pretty brave posting part 1 & 2 but many lessons learnt I would imagine. All the best mate.
Thanks again. Would have been easy to do a bit of editing out. But that’s as it was. Cheers
Pps- the one thing ive learned in conditions like that are- get yhe brakes pulled apart,cleaned and re assembled. Its a killer yhe silt and sand (possibly what killed the winch)
Good point Simon, Thanks John
Very brave of you to post this, John. Are you concerned about voiding warranty claims through Ineos based on the fact that they may see this video?
If Ineos says that the warranty voided when the vehicle is taken offroad, I would like to know why they think their own product is not fit for purpose. 🙂
I’d be surprised if they assess driving flat out through standing water, to the point where you lose visibility, and revving the ring out of the engine and driveline without the diff locks engaged to be not be considered driver abuse.
No I don’t believe so. The car is designed for off road. Sure got bogged and drove through water but that should be ok I would have thought. Than you for your interest John
Thanks for the comment. Great to get everyone’s opinion. John
thanks for the reply mate. Keep us updated with the videos please!@@cannyoutdoors
The poor road
I suspect you’ll cop some criticism from the morons with their “all the gear, no idea” critiques but I can understand why you followed the lead of “road open” indications. I think it’s quite impressive to present a warts and all clip with no hiding the mistakes and failures. Well done. I’m intrigued to know the intricacies of getting the diff locks to engage. If it’s any consolation, as a Navara D23 owner I’m constantly amazed by other owners inability to engage, disengage 4WD H, L, rear diff lock.
Common sense people don’t travel outback roads every five minutes giving updates just typical tourist stuff
Yes getting a few of those (but not many) . Tried to tell it as it was, could have easily edited it to give a different story. But that not me, I don't get any financial gain out of these videos just want to share my experiences warts and all.
Regarding the difflocks, turns out I was incorrect in blaming myself... I will be detailing the issues in the post trip analysis vid . Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, John
Thanks for watching, John
At it least it was not -40C ....
No but it was still pretty hot. Thanks for watching, I appreciate it, John
Ikon zero turn
How did you not learn to use your vehicle before heading into some very remote parts of Australia?
?? As far as I can tell... the winch has failed... the diff locks have failed. Be near on impossible for 99% of folks to diagnose/fix on the side of the road.
Yes turns out you are correct. Ineos have now diagnosed and rectified the problem with both the winch and the lockers. Thanks for your comment, John
Sorry I did not find it clear that they had both failed. Must have missed that comment. That would make it a bit harder..
I worked on a tilt table, your van too top heavy. Go and get a off road course. Watch Malcolm douglas. First tip. Stop and have a cup of tea. Think. Get a weather report. In a day the road can change. Stop panicking. You need to get here and there. Slow down and enjoy
If I remember correctly Malcolm Douglas got killed by his own winch cable.
The facts are that they do not know what happened, but he was getting in or out of the vehicle when he was pinned. There was no winching.
He had a massive chest injury. There is a high possibility he had a medical issue. He just survived prostrate cancer. A month before had blood poisoning and may not have recovered. But his survival technique could save a life. But you had no idea how your vehicle worked, you caravan was too top heavy. It not a knocking event. But it's to help you see like me, wanting to get there can make you come unstuck. I have spent my all life in testing. I did calibration in a top accreditation laboratory in vehicle testing. I do not want to see you get killed or your family. Do the driving course. Which I have done many hours. Learn step steer, lane change, centre of gravity, recovery, winching, first aid.
Have you heard about my gps coordinates app, or what3words. Rescue swag. BOM app. Each states roads, which you can check and report on. Did you on this video. Stopping others doing the same mistake.
You are talking to the wrong person. You need to be saying this to canny outdoors
Was his Troopy, rolled into him, pinned him to a tree@@markskewed9620
How many in your convoy, please?
Just 2 but other vehicles using the road to access the mines.
John
If that's the case, I'm surprised the roads are still open.
Cheers, r
@@cannyoutdoors
A set of snow chains are handy for mud.
Yes possible, just didn't notice any ski shops out there😂😂. Thanks for watching, John
What were you thinking really
I think you can occasionally see the speedo in the video, I think about 55kph is the maximum was doing at any time, more often around 35kph. At the time of the rollover it would have been max25kph. So yes it is hard to explain but it was not speed. Thanks for your interest, Cheers John
Why would diff locks have "nuances"?
If the diff locks are not intuitive to engage, then why the heck didn't your dealer show you how??!! You paid enough for the Trailmaster package to get the locks - Ineos should make sure that all customers know how to use them. Was there a printed how to manual on-board you should have read, or are you just expected to figure it out by trail and error? You never used to be able to buy a Stihl chainsaw without the dealer gassing it up, walking you through start procedure and showing you your one running. Perhaps there a leaf in that playbook for Ineos to set them apart from the sell-and-runs...
Well as it turns out there was a problem with the diff locks, so I was wrong to be blaming myself. I had used them previously and the manual details the procedure for engaging them. You have to follow it exactly or they don't engage.
Thanks for your comment John
@@cannyoutdoors yep sorry I did go a bit off the deep end there... Still if you choose to see the funny side, Perhaps Mr Radcliff has taken this Defender's Spiritual Successor thing a bit further than one might hope - the Ineos seems to have almost as many teething niggles as the Land Rover. [I am closely acquainted with this as for my sins I bush-bash a modified Discovery 4]. But I suspect you are in the same boat as me, it's got so much character and ability it's completely bl••dy with it!