History of Double Bass Drums: A Metal Injection Mini-Documentary
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Metal Injection breaks down the history and movement of double bass drumming in metal. From the 1800's invention, to double drumming, to modern day beasts of the skins we cover how this development changed music as we know it!
0:00 - Introduction
1:00 - Before double bass drumming
2:25 - Drumming revolutionized
3:35 - The first double bass drumset is born
4:22 - Double bass in the "Rock Scene"
6:55 - Experimentation using double bass drumsets
8:15 - Rock and metal become faster and heavier
9:00 - "The Godfather of Double Bass"
9:57 - A new generation of drummers
11:21 - Pushing the limits of drumming
Video by: Julian Liby
Narration by: Nick Forkel
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How on earth did you miss out on Overkill by Motorhead? Both Metallica and Slayer were inspired by Philthy's drumming
How on Earth did Tommy Aldridge get left out? Everybody was influenced by him. Even Neil Peart mentions Tommy in his first Modern Drummer interview.
Exactly. Vinnie Paul loved Tommy also.
Isn't that him at 0:47? But yeah he should have been mentioned by name.
@@WalterDiamond Yes they should have mentioned him by name and talked about him for at least 5 minutes.
Where was Kolias?
@@WalterDiamond great catch. I thought that was him but wasn’t sure.
No mention of Judas Priest Exciter from 1978?
No mention of Motörhead Overkill from 1979?
Seems like these milestones was a bit overlooked
Was about to say the same, Philthy would have deserved a mention at the very least
Simon Phillips introduced double bass work to Priest in 1977 on Sin After Sin.
Great call with Exciter. Insane all over that album. I love the opening double basses on the song hell bent for leather.
@@bloodofmyenemies another great call on Philips on sin after sin
@4100 He had a friend weld up a prototype double foot pedal in the mid 70s, because he hated all the time and effort setting up two bass drums and the cost.
They were only a small band starting out, so didn't have lots of money for van hire and roadies🤘
I feel like there are four very important tracks to mention when it comes to milestones for double-kick being used as a timekeeper before thrash that aren't mentioned here
Deep Purple - "Fireball" (Fireball, 1971)
Judas Priest - "Dissident Aggressor (Sin After Sin, 1977)
Rainbow - "Kill The King" (Long Live Rock & Roll, 1978)
Motorhead - "Overkill" (Overkill, 1979)
I just said basically the same thing, I left out Ian Pace because I thought he was a superb rock drummer, like Bill Ward who didn’t use his double bass like the future metal drummers would. Les Binks and Phil Taylor man. And it wasn’t just dissident aggressor, that whole album is a master class in double bass pedal use.
Yes almost every early thrash drummer says Overkill changed how they saw drumming.
@@jospehbloseph7172"Sin After Sin" has Simon Phillips on drums.
"Fireball" is single kick. One bass drum and double pedals did not exist yet.
@@deathmetaldouglas69 It's double-bass drums. Check out Deep Purple "Fireball" Copenhagen 1972. His roadies bring out a second bass drum, just for that song. I think he goes into a drum solo, afterwards.
FINALLY Louie Bellson gets his well-deserved recognition.
I remember when my guitarplayer of my ex-band (back in 2013) said to me "Louie Bellson wasnt the first drummer playing doublebass!".
He was an awesome player. When I was a teenager Bellson used to play regularly at Disneyland in Anaheim. Good times!
Amen! Glad This gentleman mentioned the originator. Louis Bellson.
Carmine should be mentioned earlier. His work in Cactus is great but he basically invented heavy drumming in 1967 with Vanilla Fudge. Double kick drumming and all. Metal drumming starts there.
I thought so too, as he let John Bonham play on them a few times, and helped Bonham with a Ludwig endorsement. Bonham was trying out double bass drums during time at the studio, on the first Zep album, and a few first gigs, but the band all agreed and said it was too much bass drum and his single kick was perfect for the album and the band
The entire time I was waiting for Motorhead - "Overkill" and it never happened. The single most important double bass song in metal history.
Same, I had Exciter by Judas Priest in mind (from the 1978 album Stained Class) but they done goofed
Where is Pete "The Feet" Sandoval in this video?
I love the story about how Dave and Trey played Pete some programmed drums that they figured were too insanely fast to really play and told him it was a real drummer to mess with him- and when they came back after a while he had managed to match the speed of the drum machine
WAs just thinking theres no mention of death metal bands which of course took thrash's double bass style to the next level.
Apparently death metal doesn't exist!
@@blastpeed9994 or black metal, with people like Hellhammer hitting the 300bpm mark on watchers
Sean Reinert (Death)
Flo Mounier (Cryptopsy)
Gene Hoglan (Dark Angel, Death)
Bill Andrews (Death)
Jens Paulsson (Grave)
Steve Asheim (Deicide)
Tim Kelly (Atrophy)
Mike Van Dyne (Arsis)
Matt Vander Ende (Defiance)
Tommy McKinnon (Neuraxis)
Sandrine Bourguignon (Gorod)
David Haley (Psycroptic)
I mean, there are way too many important drummers for a 11 minutes and 58 seconds documentary to do justice. The whole legendary Willowtip Records era upped the Technical Death Metal game big time. And, as usual, a site like Metal Injection merely covers the popular ones because they're only pretending to like Metal.
Raymond Herrera deserves a big mention too. Fear Factory were pioneers, and lets not forget the bass drum trigger which brought clear audibility to the drummers' playing.
The drum trigger is a sin
I too was expecting to hear his name as well. All in all though, good video. I never knew Ludwig created the bass pedal
@@callebergqvist8071Triggers are pretty much a necessity if you're playing fast enough. Complex patterns can get muddy and lost in the mix without them, especially live. It's like saying guitar pedals are cheating.
i remember people using washers as poor man's triggers
@@Pyrochazm No, triggers are not needed. Id rather listen to a slower bpm or muddier sound than triggers, they often sound awful. And they correct the human mistakes, pedals dont correct anything. Triggers are more like autotune.
no mention of phil taylor from motorhead, dave lombardo himself talked about how he discovred while he saw phil taylor playing double bass.
They showed him once. LOL
Skipping Tommy Aldridge and late 80’s/early 90’s death metal is insane.
Aldridge was one of the first to use double bass drums
That’s why I made the comment…
They totally oversaw power metal lol
I completely read this wrong and saw it as “skipping Tommy Aldridge and his early 90s death metal” and I was so confused lol
You really omitted an important point in the history of double bass kick. The 70s stuff like Les Binks with Judas Priest who started as early as 1976 and of course Phil Taylor with Motörhead in 1978 on Overkill. Why would you skip over that? I mean aside from a seemingly universal and perhaps accidental effort to relegate Les Binks into obscurity.
The 80s German metal scene has been pioneers for double bass drumming for me. Anything from Kreator to Helloween. ❤
Accept fast as a shark
You have forgotten to mention the rock godfather of double bass drums, the one and only Cozy Powell!!!
I agree, rock journals hatred him because he done things above anyone's expectations....he pioneered drumming in a way that nobody could comprehend, stargazer by Rainbow showed what this man was capable off, no one done anything like it ever...
They left him out because he dated a married woman
@@HeinzPeter wtf that got to do with drums😂😂😂
@@EllenburgJamesk1998 was an issue . Prehistorik ages man
@@HeinzPeter wtf ever that means Heinz. They call you that cause you all on wieners like ketchup?😂
“Red Hot” by Motley Crue is a great double bass song and “Fast as a Shark” by Accept
No mention of Fireball by Deep Purple ? One of the first if not the first example of sixteenth note double bass drumming.
Halfway in the video and was waiting for them to mention that track. Disappointed to find out they didn't!
Or Brian Downey and Cozy Powell. The first 2 guys to play double kick straight through the song as they do today with Sha La La in Thin Lizzy and Kill The King in Rainbow. This is a Wikipedia video :/
This video sucks!!! Rhythmic double bass existed way before Thrash, what the hell!!!
@reverendtos4271 yup, Downey on Sha LA LA. Cozy on light in the black and stargazer
@robertleven4449 I forgot to mention Nazareth Razamanaz, which actually may be the first
It's odd to skip George Kollias. He really helped popularize the Swivel Technique that is super common in modern metal.
One of my only complaints about this video was his absence. He is revolutionary in terms of speed and technique. Leaving him out was a big oversight
Came here for this, couldn't agree more. Very pleased Haake was included. Nice video though.
same point. Otherwise great documentary
Nope - Kollias didn't invent the swivel technique, Pete Sandoval did.
There's a few guys that really should have been mentioned. Raymond Herrera, Ian Paice, Alex Van Halen. Oh well, can't showcase everyone.
much respect to all these amazing musicians from jazz legends to metal gods!
Thanks for flying the flag high for metal. Media outlets nowadays suck, but y’all are doing a great service for future headbangers. Cheers 🍻
Motörhead ♠️: “Overkill”
I agree, how did Tommy Aldridge get left out? He's not just a badass for his age at 73 years old, he's just a badass in general. Even compared to drummers half his age, or younger. He just has the majority of them beat through raw talent and experience. Dude is a legend
The only double bass drum playing that influenced me was Ian Paice on fireball where he used two bass drums even though he normally didn’t play two bass drums…
I used to have a 1969 ludwig speedking, it's honestly pretty crazy how fast that pedal really was. Nothing quite like the direct drive.
Mario Duplaniter dropped a new solo today.
You're welcome! You gotta see it its truly incredible.
It's basically just a drum cover of a7x paradigm.
no mention of Phil Taylor?
He was shown 🐾
Was about to say the same. Overkill is probably the first track to feature db drumming as we know it today
First track that featured double bassdrum as centerpiece of the song, is (as long i know) Fireball (Deep Purple).
Drum legends Carmine Appice and Cozy Powell were using double bass back in the 60s.
Plus, Buddy Rich was playing double bass in the 40’s
Tommy Aldridge was a great on double bass back in 1972 with Black Oak. But Barrimore Barlow of Jethro Tull simply killed it. He started with Tull in 71 as drummer Clive Bunker had left the band on the Aqualung tour. To me Barlow was killing it from the beginning. On the song Minstrel in the Gallery the drums are incredible. I hear Tom Sayer. It’s basically a few fills in that. Barlow strings together are just way more explosive. It’s all great drumming. I just feel Barlow,supposedly Bonhams favorite drummer should get more recognition
In Anthrax's 40th Anniversary doc, Charlie Benante mentions Accept's "Fast as a Shark" as being the song that, if you could play it (in the early 80's, of course), proved that you were good at double-bass.
And you got the drum job.
Not one mention of Pete “The Feet” Sandoval? He’s the Lombardo of Death Metal 💯
If you're gonna talk double bass in metal /thrash.... you definitely can't forget to mention philthy animal's double bass in OVERKILL. Glad to see him pop up though, also Nick Mason.
Vinnie Paul's Becoming is still one of the trickiest double patterns out there. Shocked that it wasn't featured. That was the epitome of 90's metal drumming. Bizarre.
Totally agree.hellbound,primal concrete sledge which they did mention and many other songs they did were fueled by Vinnie's double bass patterns.becoming was the best though
It absolutely should be mentioned. Imo it's not actually that hard though
I actually grew up doing it in a more difficult way by accident. I thought he was playing 16th notes or 5 stroke rolls i guess you could call it, not triplets lol
@@HugoStiglitz88Nah, it isn't singles or triplets. It is actually just singles on the left foot with alternating doubles on the right... R L RR L RR L RR L... I can only play it with my hands 😂. Definitely one of the first metal dudes to play patterns on his feet.
Where is Barrimore Barlow? He was a pioneer with the double bass drums, and a great influence for a lot of metal drummers, in my opinion...
The power of double bass compels me
There are so many different inspirations for double-bass techniques that this topic almost cannot be done justice without a full-length documentary. Drummers are the true soul of everything heavy in the music world.
A really good historical perspective on double bass drumming. I was a bit surprised that Tommy Aldridge was left out.
I think Raymond Herrera and Fear Factory deserve an honorable mention for being the archetype of double bass drum and guitar palm mutes working in unison which has become so commonplace in metal. Other bands did it before them but they took that one idea and expanded it in so many ways it became a hallmark of their sound and every band working an idea in a practice room can communicate an idea by just saying "yeah let's Fear Factory this section"
If you watch the interview with Dino Cazares, they got the idea for that (syncopated palm mute/double kick) from the bridge in Metallica's One
Yes, this was a huge pivot in double kick in metal. Not even a nod to it. Shameful
@@YokRzeznic These guy never mention FF in any situations
Thanks for this..... But you missed mentioning Motorhead.
Phil Taylor was in there for two seconds.
I also came here to say that I find your lack of Motörhead disturbing
This was really excellent, make more videos like this! And thanks for shouting out Lombardo. Dude is such a legend!
Philthy animal Taylor should've been given more credit in this video
Steve Asheim the drummer of Deicide & Order Of Ennead, was the first metal drummer to use a blast beat as a drum line for entire tracks, with breaks, to set the pulsing death metal rhythm and fills.
No mention of Cozy Powell a major influence of the double bass kit use in rock
This is some great stuff. Would love more of these mini docs.
Come on, no mention of Philthy Phil Taylor’s double kick on Overkill? That’s iconic - at least it is to me
He is the person in Rock to have to nick names. Filthy Phil the animal Taylor.
8.50 on the vid he there, just not named. I can't believe it took 8mins of 12min video to get there either... But 🤷
@@ChrisSmith-qk2vk there is filthy Phil the animal Taylor on over kill . Then the drummer for accept on the song fast as a shark . 2 kick drums been around for awhile.
Fun fact: John Bonham actually tried to play double bass with led zeppelin after seeing Carmine Appice playing when they were touring together. Jimmy Page told Bonham that he doesn’t want double bass so he dropped the idea
Bonham’s one foot was more than good enough.
i cant believe that You guys forgot to put the whole death and black metal wave of the 90s in the video. BUUUT exactly this wave of metal was so essential for double bass
im more offended by the lack of motorhead's overkill.
As a drummer of 40+ years, I've always felt that when it comes to importance to rock/metal, it goes like this, 1. Ginger Baker for really making it a more prominent tool. 2. Phil Taylor for really defining it. 3 Dave Lombardo for redefining it as the thing it is today!! P.S. gotta throw Charlie Benante in that top 5 along with Vinnie Paul!!!🤘🤘
Pete Sandoval
John Bonham actually used a double bass kit for a couple of shows and on a demo of communication Breakdown. The band felt they didn't want double bass in their songs. It was the same kit as carmine appice since they were touring together back in 1969.
Bonham didn’t care for the setup was what I always understood
Fun fact: Ginger and Keith Moon ordered their first double bass at the same time, but they were both in England, and Moon's second bass drum took three weeks to arrive bc he played Ludwig's from America.
Ginger played Premier, an English company, and that's why Ginger got his second bass immediately, and is considered the first rock drummer to use dbl bass.
thanks for making this! really happy about the extensive section on the early history of double bass drumming.
Big shout out to Tommy Aldridge, the master of the double- kicks! Also, cool picture of The Who at 6:44 mark.
Stunning! The origins were really fun! Thanks!
Mitch Mitchell used two kick drums in the very late 60's - possibly in the Isle of Wight gig, need to check out the video
People who don't play this stuff can't imagine the physical intensity. As a guitarist I started playing metal drums a year ago.Ive lost 75 lbs.Best cardio on earth l.
Great video. This is a fascinating subject that I have never seen covered like this before.
FUCKIN SLAYERRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Lombardo learned double bass from Gene Hoglan though 🤔
this is true, also surprised to not see any mention of motörhead
Adds to genes rightful legend status
It's scary how much of metal came from jazz. It's scary how much of metal is also a parallel evolution from jazz. And it's even scarier how many of the foundational rock and metal drummers (Baker and Ward, to name two that were mentioned here) are heavily jazz influenced.
And that doesn't even scratch the surface of drummers not mentioned, like Bill Bruford of Yes & King Crimson. But at least Cobham was namechecked. His work with early Mahavishnu Orchestra is a must listen for metal drummers.
@@stevenbrown7873it's not scary in the slightest. It's quite natural.
Amazing video! This was awesome.
I appreciate that you did your homework on the history. Thank you for making the minimentary 🎶
I do love double-kick, but used tastefully.. so many people, imo, abuse/overuse it nowadays. Excellent video, thank you!
Well im not Dr know to much or anything like that.. But you missed 1 vital point here.. Judas Priest song Exciter from 1978 Wich is their Prototype version of Painkiller.
But other than that. A very good guidince into where it all started. Thank you
How did Raymond Herrera and fear factory get left out. Everyone thought he was a drum machine for crying out loud.
This was great! I would love to see more similar deep dives into the evolution of critical elements for metal music.
First time I heard it here in the UK as a wannabe teenage drummer in the late '70s was on the track Overkill by Motorhead. Later, I heard Fireball by Deep Purple from back in '71/'72. Apparently, The Who were recording in the same studio, and Ian Paice simply borrowed Keith Moon's bass drum for the track.
I've been experimenting ALOT w/ my double kick in jazz for grooves & solos. Its really fun & great for creativity
Great video! Very informative!
Bill Ward on Into The Void from Master Of Reality, 1971 is the earliest I've heard in rock drumming. I've seen a few discussions of double-kick online, and nobody has ever mentioned this. Ian Paice did not use double-kick.
I like two bass drums instead of two (or more) pedals on one drum. Two drums allows for the possibility of a stereo mix on the bass drums too
Well , that was condensed, quick overview that left a couple of things out, but its nice to see us metal drummers get the spotlight for a change.
Great documentary!
I get that this was a short video on the history of double bass drumming, but it would have been nice to see Barriemore Barlow (Jethro Tull), Artemis Pyle (Lynyrd Skynyrd) and Ronnie Tutt (Elvis) in there. All of these guys were doing some great double bass work back in the 70's and most people have either forgotten them or have no idea.
THIS VIDEO IS AWESOME...THANK YOU 🔥🔥🔥
Terrific summary. It's always cool to see the connections between metal and earlier music, whether Paganini or Louie Bellson.
Cozy Powell, the best of the best rip.
Glad you went back to pre-rock for this. Louis Belson was a beast on drums.
Phil Taylor was shown but not mentioned, look up Motorhead's Overkill
When I was a kid, Dave Lombardo and Charlie Benante were my heroes. When I was 17, my haaist gave me Death - Individual Thought Pattern, and it was over...
Gene Hoglan changed my life.
Mike Mangini also has some great foot work, especially on the James Labrie Mullmuzzler 2 album.
I prefer single kick monsters myself but to each their own. Keep pushing my brother's.
Deep Purple- “fireball” on the album Fireball, 1971.
I’m not a drummer. I’m a lead guitarist. However, it’s nearly criminal that certain drummers were not mentioned here… Tommy Aldridge, Pete “the feet” Sandoval, Raymond Herrera, cozy Powell ….. these are staple names that quite literally influenced thousands of percussionist because they truly redefined what was humanly possible to achieve with their feet and a kick drum. Man, they didn’t even mention the work on Painkiller. I’m guessing someone who isn’t a drummer made this mini-doc.
not much of this I didn't already know, but this was awesome.
Even Nirvana used double bass drums on "Bleach" in 1989. Lots of great double bass drum riffs on that album.
Animal from the muppets invented double bass.
Yeah, it worked well until the wool frayed and knots to the pedalboards broke. Not a subtle player, by any means....
Hell yes buddy, bravo.
At 8:13 can someone tell me what live performance is that of Axcept doing fast as a shark?
Staying a life dvd 1985 live in japan
Personally I think that three of the greatest landmarks for popularizing double kicks were left out (yes I said popularizing since they did not necessarily invent the beat):
1. Hot for teacher - Van Halen
2. One - Metallica
3. Painkiller - Judas Priest
Nevertheless I think that 2 & 3 are the bases for pretty much all modern metal-drumming 👊🏻😎
People are naming much older stuff, but even Metallica had older. For me Fight Fire with Fire was the first one that blew my mind from Ride the Lightening.
But One is indeed what got many people into Metallica in the first place (myself included)
@@Morganstudios Yes, there’s absolutely older stuff that done the same (and are the true pioneers). That’s why I went with “popularizing”. I mean Hot for teacher is predated by Billy Cobhams “Qudrant 4” by more than a decade. And Ginger Bakers ending solo on “Do what you like” by Blind Faith from 1969 is like an early “One”. But most people don’t have a clue about those tracks unfortunately 😅
I believe Neal Smith from Alice Cooper and Keith Moon had a personal contest with each other about who would have the biggest drum kit. They would each buy more drums than the other one. Smith played double bass from the first Alice Cooper album on. Very underrated drummer.
Love this!
Great all inclusive list of the greats, showing Mario duplatier of goijira in the intro got you a like and subscribe! Tommy Aldrich probably deserved a mention as he was one of the first guys I remember using the setup in a metal band
It's cool to know how much extreme metal is influenced by Jazz. Not only do we have Jazz to thank for double bass but also blast beats as well
Amazing video. Oive this
Jazz drummers are some of the most influential drummers of all time. It also seems like everything at some point originated from or was inspired by Jazz. Mitch Mitchell is another guy from the same time period who had a very similar style to Ginger Baker and was heavily influenced by jazz who also played double bass. Pertaining to fast double bass drumming like we know today, I always felt like Phil The Animal Taylor from Motorhead is the drummer who showed what is possible with double bass drums in fast, heavy music. His double bass groove on their 1979 song and album Overkill is credited as one of the songs that inspired all the thrash drummers who took double bass drumming to the next level throughout the 1980s.
Pedro Sandoval and George Kolias too. Mucho respeto. 🤘😌
Bleed 🔥 still on top!
It was with Lars Ulrich's double bass sound on Metallica's justice album that I became a drummer. I knew a lot of metal but it was that dry, hammering punching what did it for me. Everybody started to play that double bass sound around the same time when Justice came out; Sodom, kreator, Obituary, Sepultura, Pantera stayed with that sound.
The lack thereof that clear double beat sound is what kept me from liking iron maiden or even master of puppets
Cozy Powell in Kill The King.
The best of the best. Rip Cozy Powell
Everyone is like: “where is this guy??? Where is that guy? Why is this guy not on the list?” I guess you have to show all you’re knowledge. Great Video with more research than other magazines and not depending on pure nostalgia for past drummers🙏
Finally you mentioned this. It's annoying though.
Cant mentioned every drummer
Check out Little Stevie Wonder drum solo on tv!
Raymond Herrera of Fear Factory needs to be mentioned here. He was fundamental not only to the band's sound, especially on their early albums, but to modern mainstream metal as well.
No mention of Barriemore Barlow ?