New Balance FuelCell Rebel v4
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- The New Balance FuelCell Rebel v4 undergoes yet another significant change in its latest iteration. And while it's likely going to be one of the best daily trainers of 2024, I'm not sure I personally enjoy it more than the last version.
0:00 intro
0:53 disclosures
1:13 specs
4:25 what's it like
10:13 pairing options
11:52 buying guide and alternatives
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"Dropping a coin in some pudding." That's why AI will never replace us.
I think it's reasonable to assume that if AI could experience and review running shoes, their reviews would be significantly more comprehensive and well written / communicated than human ones. The obvious larger technological hurdle that needs to be surpassed for AI to replace human reviewers is the creation of AI replica-humanoid bodies capable of running and experiencing the shoes for themselves.
@@falchion3568 Way too much "effort", Poindexter...........
That , was one of the best reviews I’ve read, observations backed up by solid ,well spoken examples, bravo!
Thank you
Thank you for sharing. I love you videos and respect your perspective!!!!
For me hearing that it’s wider is better since Rebel 3 is narrow for me. Thanks for the review Kofuzi!
I can’t wait to try it on. 😊
wider can mean two things: fit or footprint
fit: this shoe came in wide sizing for v3.
footprint: widening the footprint tends to make a shoe more stable and less speedy
@@kofuzifrom your review it sounds like it got wider in both respects?
Yes, definitely. Sorry Kofuzi, I meant to say the fit. Even though V3 came in 2E, It was still narrow for me, hopefully this time around it's a little bit wider! I'm crossing my fingers on it! @@kofuzi
Between rebel 4, novablast 4 and Bondi 8 which one do you recommend to a beginner ?? It's going to be my first running shoe
Nice review. Haven't tried this on but definitely liking the new aesthetic/design language on the new NB Rebel and Elite. The angular/geometric design with the halftone on the side logo - colourways are nice too. Much better to me visually than the previous version.
Thx. This was a really good review. Loving the comparison to similar shoes also.
I have a friend who got this shoe recently he had similar problem with weight. His shoes not only was heavier than official stats but also there was a weight difference between the pairs (20grams). He weighed them right out of the box.
1 day in… congrats on 36k views. You have come a long ways and it’s awesome to see it paying off with the algorithm!!
I really like last year's as well. Listening now to your take on this...on we go...
Run Like Heller also said it was harder to tighten the shoe around the middle of the shoe, like the shoe was a bit too wide. Great review!
I just ordered this today. Can't wait to try them on.
Thanks for your review. I just found your channel and I appreciate that you include clips of you running whilst you're talking about the shoe. If I can see how you land, the type of weather and surface you're on, and how you run mechanically then your review is much easier for me to align to myself to make decisions about what I might need. Im sick of going into review videos and people are dressed in sportswear but then only walk in the shoe. Walking is not the same as running at all. I have subscribed and look forward to watching your other videos.
Thank you for watching!
People at my local running shop love this shoe. May be getting them soon. Awesome review!
Hope you can try them!
Thanks for the insightful review. I'll stick with my Rebel v3.
yo I'm your new subscriber because of good knowledge you gave us to a variety of best and compatible running shoes
I think this shoe will be perfect for me, I am excited to try it out for sure. But still enjoying my Boston 12 and Novablast 4 for now.
I'm particularly excited about this shoe this year. I'm definitely buying them on 1 March!
I’ve been waiting for this one. Thanks 😊😊😊
Love the Phily merch rep. Great seeing you cheer her on at Houston.
I feel like I've known her for a while now, but seeing her on the course was the closest we've gotten to meeting in person
I really love this kind of review..keep it up
A good description. Like to Kofuzi from 🇪🇸. A nice monday for everyone.
yo!
Thanks for the honest thoughts re weight, bulk and general midsole feel. Loving the v3's midsole so much that I might be nudged to step over to the Deviate Nitro 2 rather than the Rebel v4. Demo'd the Pumas and they and the Rebel v3 almost seemed related.
Also interesting to see the Rebel kinda folded in to the SC line - looks like there’s continuity from the Rebel up thru the SC Trainer > SC Elite. I kinda liked that the Rebel existed on its own in the past, but was looking forward to it finding its place in the flagship training-racing lineup. Now I’m not so sure, if it’s gonna be put into a chonker daily role.
that's really beautiful review thanks
I love the geometric design.
I do too. I just wish it had gotten just taller and not taller and wider
Dude you made these look cool...I was thinking about getting them but now I want them
Dude I love your content keep the videos coming I'm a running sneaker head. I have so many different brands in rotation
Great review, Mike. I've liked NB's fuel cell composition in previous versions of the Rebel. I definitely have to get this shoe on my feet to see if I like the new composition of the foam. I do like the added width, I felt previous versions of the Rebel were just a bit snug.
Previous versions, as with many NB shoes, were available in a wide fit. (at least in North America)
I love the Rebel V1.. The very first shoes that I started my running in adulthood..I wish NB kept the silhouette and improve on the foam and outsole.
You make some good points!! I had issues with the fit too
not a huge deal for me, but a rare miss from New Balance in terms of the fit here. it's a bit confusing.
@@kofuzi as someone who has fitted 100s of people in newbalance's, it's not a rare miss. NB is consistently off in sizing between pairs, models lines and versions. 880v11-13 fit 0,5 small, used to be quite wide then became kind of narrow, 1080 fit 0,5 big, same as the RC Elite v2. I recently got to test the 880v14, first time in my life I had to size up to a 12,5 and I have probably tested 60 pairs of shoes last couple years.
@@kofuzi as someone who has worked for New Balance, shoe sizings are all over the place across every shoe model
yep, even v3 rebel was narrow in midfoot, requiring getting wider, whereas i got normal with v2, size 11@@QronoZ713
Thinking of using these as my daily trainers along with my Hoka rincon 3s
Loving the music intro!
Thanks for the review. I’m considering buying it. I guess I need to test it in my running shops Love the grind. Merch from Philly?
Was talking to you about not liking novablast 3…In now on to saucony speed 3..thanks buddy channel is great
I would say doing speed work in the New Balance SC Pacer v1 would make more sense than the Adidas. Usually people that gravitate towards NB need the more accommodating fit vs the extremely narrow through the entire foot Adidas.
I love the rebel v3. I bought the second pair of the v3 just after running in the first one at 10km as I feel so much fun running in it. I don't know what the complain about the foam in the v3. 🤷♂️
End of this video, I feel like you have been frozen. 😮Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this shoes.
Loved the Rebel v2. Decided for the Rincon 3 instead of the rebel v4.
V3 is my fave trainer I’ve ever owned. Hopefully v4 is the right fit for me!
Awsome review. Interesting that NB went with a peba/eva blend vs the TPE or TPU of the previous models. EVA generally is temperature sensitive and hardens up in colder weather. It would be interesting to see if it softens up in a warmer setting like an indoor tredmill session or warmer climate?
Rebel V3 and Novablast 3. Still great shoes and deals for 2024.
yup
I wish they let you buy from the American online site in Canada. So many v3s available, even in wide fit.
@@hamoudalnasser they won’t. You’ll have to cross the border. Some boutiques in Canada still carry them. You just have to find them
4:00 I got 8 oz for a men's us sz 8.5. Extremely happy with the weight. This is my fav shoe ever right now.
i appreciate your video. i thought of the rebel in the same category as the hyperion max/tempo. having gone through two pairs of that already i was waiting for the rebel v4 to be a good replacement, but i'm not so sure now
Loved the simplicity of v3. One of the best examples of a lightweight, flexible and fun daily/uptempo trainer. But clearly too 'boring' for the marketing people at NB who needed more stack, 'better' foam etc. Luckily Topo have the Cylcone 2.
I agree. The V3 was just a great simple shoe.
Great review as always. So i have to search for a better tempo shoe that is not to narrow. Any recommendations? At the moment the cielo road is in my focus.
Loving the t-shirt!!
Good review. I definitely plan to try the Rebel v4 as I'm an unabashed NB fanboy, but this shoe seems like such a major departure from my beloved v3 that I've stocked up on multiple pairs of it with the recent sales going on. Never got to try the v2 and I know that many Rebel lovers say that's "The One", but the v3 does a lot of things very well considering its lower stack and minimalism compared to all these super trainers coming out these days.
I also love the Takumi Sen 8/9 for the workouts, so I don't expect the Rebel v4 to take on that role. Seems like a jack-of-all-trades shoe but which does certain things better than others. Interested in knowing how the foam holds up after 100 miles. I haven't had any durability issues with the v3 as some have reported and I know there are concerns about how long the v4 will hold its bounce and responsiveness.
I admit it. I am a Rebel lover. It does look a little clunky with that wide base (sort of Clifton or More v4 like). I like the more nimble look and feel of the previous versions, but will still give this a try at some point.
I think the back half of the shoe (when looking at the bottom of the shoe) looks exactly like the Nimbus 26
I think I'll stick with my rebel v3s. They feel light, squishy and responsive. Feels like if the formula changes the I prob won't dig them as much. Great review as always, cheers!
Out of all the daily trainers I tried.. Rebel v3 goated I just copped another pair on Amazon for $64
Same here, just bought a second pair on sale... Awesome shoe V3
Fantom Fit was a NB thing back in 2014. These look almost identical to the 860v5
Loving the Philly Bowden T Shirt!
@thomaselwin9397 if you don't lose the extra "L" you can't use her discount code.
Loved the 3 , 100% getting these !
enjoy!
Such a different perspective than other reviewers I have seen. Many, if not most, loved the changes made in the v.4 and did not like the v.3. I haven't loved the v.3 either. My preference was the v.2. Anyway, I won't buy another v.3, so hopefully the v.4 works for me. Thanks for the review and your advice on sizing.
I anticipate that if you liked the v2 and didn't like v3, you will not like v4. but give it a try for yourself.
Tried the rebel v3 but felt there was not enough cushion for heavier runners like me. Is there better cushion on v4 with more stacked height?
Love the look!!
1) Nice repping the Phily merch
2) Now I’m thinking about pudding, so thanks for that.
3) It sounds like the changes for v4 are headed in the right direction for me personally. I’m a fan of the Rebel line, but I found the v3 a bit too soft and it had the tendency to bottom out-and I’m not a big guy. A little bit more solid response in a lightweight trainer sounds like an attractive base day option.
Thanks for the review!
I had particularly envisioned dropping a penny in chocolate pudding and having lie flat, Lincoln side up, in an oversized bowl. like a wide bowl that is almost more of a dish than anything else.
not sure why I can't shake this image. I keep coming back to it
Mmmm... pudding. 🤤
So is this somewhat like the saucony speeds?
Im very excited for DN3 /DNE3. Puma is severely underrated.
Agree,but would be nice if puma be a bit wider - toe box is for very narrow foot
Rough release date?
Actually people quite like the DN2 in the start they didn't wanna try it cause dn1 was not that good. But pretty sure everyone loves it now except for the rocker . Could be a bit better
Revel 4 v the best for me, very friendly with my knees hips in general my legs , after many years with problems in my left knee, I can said welcome long runs with some different gears of speed as my condition permits , I got last week a track without when I reach 240 spm,
I love the look of the v4, but im not very enthusiastic about buying it. I loved the v2 and v3. I actually got some of my fastest times in the rebel v.s. any other shoe. It handled strides, tempo, progression runs, easy runs. And the fuel cell midsole is something special to me. I may have to try and seek out some v3 if i can still find them in my size.
The same here I had 2 pairs of V2s 1 pair of V3 and will buy another for sure cause I don’t like what I’m hearing about the V4 !
@@padrinio80 when I need a daily trainer again I'll pick it up. I just feel with a name like "rebel" they should have moved in a different direction - keep it light, fun and fast
Thanks for the video. I feel like the Rebel peaked at the V2, minus the easy-rip upper. The over-engineered new upper is too thick for Florida. I feel like NB ruined the Rebel in the same way Skechers ruined the Razor.
I had to buy the V2 and V3 1/2 a size up from my already 1/2 sized up running size. Maybe they've overcorrected this year?
Actually went from Novablast 1 to Rebel v2 to Novablast 3 as my daily trainer! Idk what I'm choosing next, but it's definitely gonna be one of the new iteration of those two lines! I think the rebel V2 was the most fun to run in, hope NB and Asics will go back to making those "chaotic" shoes in the future!
Rebel v2 is my favourite daily trainer of all time, so fun
@@gabdg828 any dailies that come close to the rebel v2?
also does the sizing for rebel v2 fit the same for rebel v3? for example i wear US 10 for rebel v3. i read that the v2 is narrower and going half a size up is recommended. so if i wanted to try them and buy on ebay would size 10.5 be ideal?
I have gone through 3 pairs of the Novablast 3 and 1 pair of the Rebel v3. Now with the new models I'm not sure which one to pick up. I'm more intrigued by the new Rebel v4, but which one would you recommend?
Hi Kofuzi. Good review. How you would compare this new NB Rebel 4 shows vs Puma Deviate Nitro 2 as a daily training , can do everything shoes? Which one you would pick ? I have Pumas and I did almost 600K in them this winter and I really like them. Of course they are plated but still flexible and responsive. I was considering NB as a next daily training shoes, however now in the UK the Pumas are available for almost 1/2 price of the NBs. thanks
Mike, wouldn’t the sc pacer 2 be the tempo shoe form nb?
Was really wanting to pair these with my 1080v13 for a faster day/workout non plated shoe from NB. They kinda fall into the same daily trainer (albeit in different spectrums) category.
Is the rebel v4 suitable for heel strikers?
Ah, the New Balance 880
I liked 2 for what it was. I liked that I could use the 3 for more than one type of run. I'm sure the 4 will be fine too. However, as a saga, they confuse me.
Would either work for speed walking or half jog at a good pace for a little then walk some . Trying to get back to where I. was in December before total knee replacement surgery or should I go with new balance more v4 or 1080v13. Or other suggestions. I need them to be under 8mm , preferably 4 to 5 mm drop
I wish you had compared this to Ride 17 (given its updated foam) instead of the Mach X or just as an additional comparison.
We will deal with your rebel friends soon enough. -Grand Moff Tarkin
Is this drifting more into Beacon territory if they're firmer now? I've enjoyed the Beacon v1, Tempo v2, and Rebel V2 over the years...I've tended to grab those for what I might would call "fartlek days"...a progression run during the week, or a run that includes some strides in it because they help me practice my up-tempo form without aid, but generally not shoes I'd pick for a structured workout day.
Ran 7 miles in them today. Felt like a mini superblast
Emily Sisson will run in the NB SC Pacer this weekend in Orlando for the Olympic marathon trials. (Maybe not the exact model we can get though.) Will be interesting to see that shoe.
I feel like it’s a problem when one of your best athletes never races in a stock shoe.
Problem is easily solved by just giving the public what Emily likes.
@@kofuzi THIS!!! Why are 'we' not worthy?!?! :)
Apart from the price issue, do you prefer it or the Adizero SL?
Looking forward to seeing a 100 mile review as well! Looks like the review runs have been done in colder temps. Do you find that your thoughts can change on a shoe as weather warms up? In terms of midsole, cushion, responsiveness, etc.
can cold have any effect at all on a shoe? sure.
will warmth cause such an effect as to change my overall opinion on a shoe? I wouldn't say it's impossible, but it's never happened before
@@kofuzimost midsole’s will soften in warmer temp. And harden in colder temps. Which changes the responsiveness.
How does it compare with the hoka mach 6?
What about vs 1080v13 or deviate nitro 2?
So the volume is high in this shoe, sounds interesting to me
Hey I saw him at the prairie grove fair at my school just wanted to say hi!
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The color is amazing tho.
I've been a fan of the Rebel since the first version and like the look of this new version, but I'm disappointed that it seems like NB is moving further away from the original design of the Rebel. I don't like how wide this shoe looks to be, and how these shoe companies keep adding more and more stack to shoes. I really liked how the older versions felt so nimble, lower to the ground, and flexible/comfortable without a plate...pretty much a do everything, general purpose running shoe. I've been looking forward to the v4 release since my v3s are falling apart... hopefully these won't disappoint.
yeah, it feels like while pursuing the "comfiness / stability" race, NB has forgotten the Rebel DNA was a very slick, minimalist and nimble shoe... I would have never imagine a reviewer using the word "cumbersome" to describe a Rebel shoe...!
@@francoisbouchet9907 @jeffdorsey85 it's so frustrating how so many brands are deserting the lightweight, uptempo trainer. The only uptempo trainers left anymore are plated trainers, and I still like to run with lightweight trainers occasionally, Saucony Kinvara is just too harsh for me. NB always had wide fitting options unlike most brands, but now everything is just a day trainer.
@@francoisbouchet9907 any modern day shoes that fit the 'slick/minimalist/nimble' shoe?
@@francoisbouchet9907💯 agree with all of your points! The word cumbersome stood out to me as well 😬...hopefully the SC Pacer will stay true to it's DNA.
So does NB have a tempo / speed day, non-plated shoe? I thought that was the Rebel's spot... or is it that this market is a dead end because people want a plate in their tempo / threshold shoe? I have a V3 and it doesn't inspire me to do easy runs at all... it's way too tempting to pick up the pace and have fun (hence the name!). Does the V4 kind of kill that?
I always thought so too, but discussions with New Balance have insisted otherwise
I look forward to the updates to the SC Pacer
aren't the 880 and 1080 NBs daily trainers? @@kofuzi
I agree with both of these comments. If the rebel isn't the faster trainer then what is? And with the 880 and 1080 why do we need the rebel as another daily trainer?
I need a good running shoes for treadmill any suggestions?
good review!
can i wear them in the full course marathon?
yes
Great review! How do you think the Rebel v4 compares to the Endorphin Speed 4?
I have not tested endo speed 4
I don’t understand why people can’t see the benefit and what are considered “boring” trainers. Not every shoe needs Peba or a plate to do all of the work for you.
Touché! People are getting lazier everyday!
I'm not sure I understand this comment. Can you rephrase?
@@kofuzi Sure.
People like to compare current trainers like the Novablast 4 and now this to earlier counterparts, where they were more “fun” because they were more propulsive, yet were unstable even for the most neutral runner and/or had awful durability. It seems like a daily shoe is now “boring” if it doesn’t have a huge risk/reward to running in it, which in my opinion, isn’t what a bread and butter daily trainer is for. I like a daily trainer that makes my feet and legs do the work while protecting them - this makes it so if and when I do put some sort of propulsive shoe on my feet, it will make me run that much better in them because I can put more muscle into them.
“All the work for you” is quite the exaggeration, no?
This is why I quit Pegasus. Dull.
What then? Funny, it's the Peg Trail!
All of a sudden, this foam works.
Winter do it all shoe.
For summer time... no good all-arounder.
I wish Asics Glideride could come reborn one day.
wondering what sc elite 4 feels like, can’t wait for your review 🏃♂️💨
Great review, thanks! I'll have to load up on a couple v3's before their gone. Seems like this category of shoe, the fun, up-tempo, plate-less trainer is going away, like the number of new cars offered with a manual transition. Not enough of a consumer base? Maybe I'll try the streakfly. Any recommends for a v3 replacement? Just like an exciting flexible no fuss shoe?
adizero 8? unless rods is a no-go
Topo Cyclone 2, Liberate Nitro 2, Adios 8, Streakfly, Asics Hyperspeed, Brooks Hyperion, Saucony Sinister
Kinvara 13, Hoka Cielo Road
@@tomverdich184 wats the dif between liberate nitro/deviate and velocity nitro 2?
also can i ask, r tempo shoes with no carbon plate more 'forgiving' than tempo shoes with a carbon plate?
whats the reason ppl dislike carbon plates in their uptempo shoes?
@@io-rj6sk personally I try to avoid plates in my uptempo shoes for a couple reasons. First I like to have a shoe thats fun to turn over but not giving too much performance help, so when I switch to a plated or "rod - ed" shoe for dedicated workouts it feels more pop - y (thats probably purely psychological) The more tangible reasons are I alternate tempo days with hill reps and I really like light weight, very flexible shoes for hills so its nice to have a shoe that can double for both and I often try to squeeze in tempo sessions on lunch breaks where I'm on uneven sidewalks, or pausing for traffic for part of the run and don't really need a set it and forget it experience
Hi Kofuzi, I had a pair of Mach 5 and it is still fresh. Usually just to have 5 - 10 km run twice a week.
I am looking for a pair of shoes to train in tempo run or interval, should I go for the Rebel V4, or should I go with something like ASICS magic speed 3 / Takumi Sen? Thank you!
Mach 5 was born for speed training like tempo or intervals
Idk... Fuelcell fuel foam is the reason i love my Rebels 3s
When it's mostly eva(80%) it would be a eva/peba blend, not peba/eva. It's silly when they use all peba in sc elite 4 😅
Thanks for the video. Can you recommend which would be a better one for all day walking and standing, This or 10880 v13? Thanks
Best would be to try them on, as the foams feel quite different.
But the Rebel 4 has a wider footprint, so I would go with that if you have to choose one without trying either
#Kofuzi. Do you think this version can handle the long slower runs. 13-18 milers? I have V3 now and it seems like 10 miles is where it starts to feel compressed and my body start to take a beating.
I would say yes, but I also enjoyed my v3 up to 20 miles for easy long runs
Getting back into running after 10 years...looking for a cruiser with bounce to increase the "fun" factor and keep me interested in running.
FC rebel V4 or Novablast 4?
Both are great. I’d go with the novablast
Finally! A shoe review that didn't include the words 'gusseted' and 'lockdown'. I have been waiting for someone to pull this off, and Kofuzi comes through!
How does the NB Rebel v4 compare to the Hoka Mach 6?
Hi! Is the rebel v4 good for marathon? I ran my marathons with the v1-v2-v3 but this year I wanted to change to “more marathon” shoes (ex: boston 12)
yes
This or 1080v13 as a daily trainer my friend? Thank you for the review! Was looking forward to this one!
those are some of my favorite daily trainers at the moment, and they're both going to be great choices. I have my own thoughts on which shoe is more enjoyable, but the right choice is going to depend on what you like and what else you have.
good news is that you're not going to make a bad choice either way
thanks for the reply! i think I’ve got myself rounded it as far as daily trainers now and gonna avoid runningshoegeeks for the next year haha.
Regular runs - 1080 v13
Tempo/Fun - Rebel V4 (just ordered!)
Long - SC Trainer v1
*Not much of a racer just yet.
Hi Kofuzi, thanks for the review! And what about the rebel v4 vs. the novablast 3? I've been finding good deals on the novablast 3.
And maybe a puma deviate nitro 3 to complement faster training sessions and tempo runs. Nowadays I have the 1080 v13 + Adidas Adios Pro 3
I have yet to see the deviate nitro 3
@@kofuzi sorry about that! I meant the deviate nitro 2