Silica gel desiccant showdown - normal versus crystal cat litter

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  • čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
  • I've come across various articles claiming that silica gel based cat litter can be used as a moisture absorber, so I decided to test that and see how well it actually worked.
    The cat litter I used was Bob Martin Felight cat litter, which I think is the silica gel based version.
    Most notable difference was the lightness of the cat litter crystals. For a specific volume the cat litter is significantly lighter than the solid beads. I think it's optimised to be porous.
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Komentáře • 597

  • @slaur42
    @slaur42 Před 6 měsíci +339

    The difference is actually in the pore size of the silica gel. The type that is meant to absorb moisture has smaller pores (Wikipedia says about 2.5 nm), while the liquid absorbent type has pores of 4.5 - 7.0 nm.

    • @BluntUnicorns
      @BluntUnicorns Před 6 měsíci +5

      Thank you :)

    • @danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307
      @danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 Před 6 měsíci +22

      Point to note unless you have the desiccant in an air tight container the moisture will be immediately replaced! So have one of those units for every 4 cubic meters inside your house and have your house sealed inside a plastic device(never open it!) or otherwise dont bother!

    • @BrettCooper4702
      @BrettCooper4702 Před 6 měsíci

      Could the cat silica be refined? Baked at 420f for 42mins?

    • @sleeptyper
      @sleeptyper Před 6 měsíci +10

      @@BrettCooper4702 I bake my cat litter at 100 Celsius for one hour when drying my 3D filament desiccants. Same goes with the bead bags that come with every spool.

    • @sleeptyper
      @sleeptyper Před 6 měsíci

      @@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 "This easy trick that carbon dioxide sellers don't want you to know."

  • @NiddNetworks
    @NiddNetworks Před 6 měsíci +143

    Only Clive answers the burning questions that I didn't want to know - and still makes an entertaining, interesting and watchable video. How many 8K cameras does he use? How many staff? How many TB or PB of storage does he have to store the raw footage? How many massively powerful editing workstations? NONE. It's just Clive, a laptop, a phone, and a mic.... oh and his hand-built studio lights! Honestly, on the "watchability" scale, Clive's videos BEAT a lot of the more elaborate setups for me.

    • @tuttocrafting
      @tuttocrafting Před 6 měsíci +5

      I'm still wondering if he is using his self made hat-microphone!

    • @NiddNetworks
      @NiddNetworks Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@tuttocrafting I had to mic a guy at an event, he had a baseball cap on, so the lavalier was clipped to the peak. I thought of Clive when I did it!!

    • @TradieTrev
      @TradieTrev Před 6 měsíci +3

      You've summed up his channel so well!

    • @jack15900
      @jack15900 Před 6 měsíci +4

      dont forget the pen and paper instead of a powerpoint graph thing

    • @squelchstuff
      @squelchstuff Před 6 měsíci +3

      Yep, Clives low key production does not affect the quality of content. Glossy presentations are fine and all, but the content is what brings me back here and several other channels too.

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 Před 6 měsíci +97

    @2:30 - "90 grams which is 90 ml." Since I started using borosilicate beakers in my kitchen for cooking - like chemistry beakers and such - it dawned on me that I now, as I am much older, wish we had have been taught the metric system. Weighing/measuring quantities is far more intuitive with the metric system.

    • @jeremiahbullfrog9288
      @jeremiahbullfrog9288 Před 6 měsíci +15

      It's also much easier to scale a recipe ... I've started converting all of my ingredient lists to gram weights

    • @JLneonhug
      @JLneonhug Před 6 měsíci +25

      There is a caveat. 90ml = mg is in reference to water.
      Anything more dense isn't strictly applicable and would need some tweaking to the weight.

    • @TechGorilla1987
      @TechGorilla1987 Před 6 měsíci +8

      @@JLneonhugI understand. It's more the general concept that helped me evolve. My wife and I just had a lengthy conversation about dry vs wet weight. She still doesn't get it. I do all the cooking.

    • @j.f.christ8421
      @j.f.christ8421 Před 6 měsíci +15

      @@jeremiahbullfrog9288 Yeah, cook by weight. Don't use volume as it can be inaccurate due to things like flour being compressed etc. Sifted is bigger than straight from the bag and so on.

    • @jeremiahbullfrog9288
      @jeremiahbullfrog9288 Před 6 měsíci +7

      @@j.f.christ8421 Flour can still be inaccurate due to moisture content... although I think in typical kitchens it's not a huge deal. I can't imagine a bread recipe written in Arizona to work the same in Florida though lol.. Overall I find weighing everything to be much more convenient and repeatable!

  • @petermoore9504
    @petermoore9504 Před 6 měsíci +113

    It might be worth comparing the price per gramme of water absorbed as well.

    • @herrpez
      @herrpez Před 6 měsíci +37

      I just checked and it seems like the difference is rather significant.
      The cheapest beads I could find on Amazon cost me around €15 for 1 kg.
      Conversely, 5 kg of cat sand (the silica gel variety, obviously) was only approximately €10, which breaks down to €2 for 1 kg.
      Seems like cat sand wins the day on a price to performance ratio.

    • @BerkeleyTowers
      @BerkeleyTowers Před 6 měsíci +8

      @@herrpez but then you need more units to store the greater volume to acheive the same result........ but, it's good info to know............. cos then you can make choices.......

    • @ZeroPointAlpha
      @ZeroPointAlpha Před 6 měsíci +14

      @@BerkeleyTowers True, but if it absorbs a third what the beads do, but you get 8 times the amount for the same price, that's still a significant amount of drying capacity.

    • @DUKE_of_RAMBLE
      @DUKE_of_RAMBLE Před 6 měsíci +2

      ​@@ZeroPointAlpha But having more dehumidifier units running will also mean more power used. So I'd think it might be a wash in terms of cost at the end of a month or year. _(or I could be wrong, which is just as likely lol)_

    • @jameslawrence8734
      @jameslawrence8734 Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@DUKE_of_RAMBLEYou don't necessarily need a dehumidifier. Leaving it in open air in a closet you wanted to keep drier or a firearms safe to prevent rusting will result in it having a passive effect. I'm actually going to be looking into doing this as a way to keep my firearms in a less humid environment.

  • @conto7032
    @conto7032 Před 6 měsíci +16

    I would love more videos like this, commercial vs "DIY" solutions.

  • @curtishoffmann6956
    @curtishoffmann6956 Před 6 měsíci +187

    BigClive isn't droll, he just has a dry humor.

    • @retromodernart4426
      @retromodernart4426 Před 6 měsíci +16

      It seems to have just gotten drier, after Big Clive spent all that time with the desiccants...

    • @tactileslut
      @tactileslut Před 6 měsíci +6

      The less dry ones come out on Saturdays, if I remember correctly. Until then, Patrick Boyle, and don't look away.

    • @POVwithRC
      @POVwithRC Před 6 měsíci +2

      ​@@tactileslut Boyle Appreciator 🫡💰

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 Před 6 měsíci

      The puns are just pore-ing out from this thread!

    • @jessl1934
      @jessl1934 Před 6 měsíci

      Droll doesn't mean what you think it means

  • @zebrasprite
    @zebrasprite Před 6 měsíci +85

    My cat watched this with great interest.
    Mushroom the cat is now a Big Clive fan, I do believe.

    • @tncorgi92
      @tncorgi92 Před 6 měsíci +10

      Give Mushroom some pats for us

    • @mySeaPrince_
      @mySeaPrince_ Před 6 měsíci +2

      🐾🐾🐾 🐈 💖

    • @readmorebooksidiots
      @readmorebooksidiots Před 6 měsíci +2

      It has everything a cat would want. Litter reviews, and crinkly bags moving across the screen

    • @goodun2974
      @goodun2974 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Dried Mushroom go great in soups and stews.....(just kidding of course; I like cats, and cats have owned my wife and I in the past, but my current pack of dogs won't tolerate cats).

    • @Jimmy_Jones
      @Jimmy_Jones Před 6 měsíci +1

      I don't like Mushrooms. Sorry for the offence.

  • @sleeptyper
    @sleeptyper Před 6 měsíci +9

    I use the crystal cat litter in my 3D filament storage box and i have been quite happy with it. It dries very well in a tabletop oven. It's in a box that has stainless steel mesh glued to cover the air holes, because that type of silica sheds off some amounts of sand that can be nasty to handle. For the drying, i transfer it to an aluminium food container that you get when you buy prepared food. A hygrometer on the storage lid tells me when it's time to dry all the desiccants - i also reuse the bead bags i get with every filament roll.

    • @j.f.christ8421
      @j.f.christ8421 Před 6 měsíci +5

      That's what I use it for. And storing powder-coat powders. (Of course powder-coat powders are powders, stoopid language.)

    • @Guardian_Arias
      @Guardian_Arias Před 6 měsíci

      I like calcium chloride commonly known as "DampRid" it can be found for less than 2 usd per pound and it auto dissolves into the water it traps, giving you a visual indicator of when it has absorbed all the water it can.
      If you wanted too you could reuse it by boiling the brine water it turns into but its so cheap it might be more cost-effective to simply buy more calcium chloride depending on where you live.
      It keeps my nylon absolutely pop free.

  • @jeremyboyce7921
    @jeremyboyce7921 Před 6 měsíci +8

    Clive: asking all of the hard-hitting scientific questions, and offering up his own blend of humor along the way!

  • @twocvbloke
    @twocvbloke Před 6 měsíci +46

    I remember our trying that silica cat litter, and the cats at the time used it once and refused to use it again owing to the noise it made as they peed on it, proper rice krispies type sounds... :P

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis Před 6 měsíci +5

      We have used it, it works well for controlling smells but it's very expensive and I hate the amount of hard, scratchy granules the little sods kick out onto the wood floor.

    • @DJ-es8go
      @DJ-es8go Před 6 měsíci +12

      The issue we have had with them is that our cats have particularly sensitive paw pads, and the crystals have uncomfortably sharp edges. I don't know about you but I might not choose to stand barefoot on broken glass whilst urinating either.

    • @fluffdrgn
      @fluffdrgn Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@ferrumignis Try wood pellets! you can find them cheap and they're much cleaner than the regular litters

    • @aaronmdjones
      @aaronmdjones Před 6 měsíci +1

      Imagine feeling like you're urinating on a series of landmines... I'd stop doing that too!

    • @hippopotamus86
      @hippopotamus86 Před 6 měsíci +3

      I've tried using it. I prefer the toilet however.

  • @shuypnini9715
    @shuypnini9715 Před 6 měsíci +23

    it will be interesting to run the experiment again with the cat litter crushed to a smaller crystals.
    it will allow to fit more, and increase the surface area.

    • @ASI-l2w
      @ASI-l2w Před 6 měsíci +1

      Oooohhh….good thinking. I like your style. 👍🏻

    • @Thermalions
      @Thermalions Před 6 měsíci +4

      Would it increase the amount of moisture absorbed (given Clive already waited until full saturation was achieved), or just increase the rate of absorption thus quicker arrival at full saturation? I'm thinking the latter.

    • @aerogfs
      @aerogfs Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@Thermalions The point would be bigger crystals give bigger empty gaps between crystals. The beads are smaller, so not as much air between beads.

    • @RFC3514
      @RFC3514 Před 6 měsíci +3

      The difference is in the pore size. Crushing cat litter into smaller crystals will make it work _faster,_ but it won't make it adsorb significantly more moisture.

    • @kcgunesq
      @kcgunesq Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@RFC3514 Except, if you could get more mass of crystals into the same space, wouldn't that allow it to absorb more water?

  • @tammyhollandaise
    @tammyhollandaise Před 6 měsíci +3

    Neat! I did some experiments in our prototyping lab with two quart jars of cat litter. When I put the fresh, out of the bag crystals in a sealed box, the humidity climbed by more than 20%; if you're going to dry anything, you've got to cook your crystals.

  • @KeanM
    @KeanM Před 6 měsíci +22

    I suspect the crystal cat litter is optimized for capturing liquid (urine) rather than extracting moisture from the air.
    Maybe to compare this take 100g of each and pour water over them (or submerse in a container of water), then drain the excess water with a sieve, and measure the final weights.

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 Před 6 měsíci +2

      smaller bead size helps with the air contact.
      I'd like to see the normal bentonite test too. it depends on air moisture how it behaves to a big degree (we go through 150 kilos of the bentonite litter a month give or take few tens of kilos. I haven't come up with something to do with it other than have the garbage guys take it away so if anyone has recycling ideas I'm all pis I mean ears)

    • @bigoldgrizzly
      @bigoldgrizzly Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@lasskinn474
      is your cats name 'Sir Krapalot ' ?? .... or perhaps it is a tiger ? ;

  • @SigEpBlue
    @SigEpBlue Před 6 měsíci +5

    Interesting results, Clive. FWIW, I save most of the silica gel packets I come across, usually in medication bottles, in (relatively) airtight glass jars. After gentle baking, I then use them to keep my collection of old carbon composition resistors as dry as possible, also in glass jars. It's been working wonderfully for many years.

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 Před 6 měsíci +51

    I'm in the middle of a 2 hours Border Control show and I stop everything for a Clive video. One of the few creators left that I am actually invested in and who generally makes me feel like my watching and interacting means something to him. Never change, Clive.

  • @Alan_AB
    @Alan_AB Před 6 měsíci +4

    Another factor to consider are 1. How easy is it to purchase each product? and 2. What is the cost of 100g of each product?
    Great video, Clive.

    • @5ergei
      @5ergei Před 6 měsíci +2

      I think the key factors for cat litter material is how well it is suited for cats (i.e. do their feet sink into it etc.), and how easily it can be cleaned by the cat's slave. This can result in very different characteristics than in most other use purposes for silica.

  • @Multi-Skill-Bill
    @Multi-Skill-Bill Před 6 měsíci +2

    That is such useful information!!
    I have kept those little packets for years, they are so useful.
    I take a plastic bottle of various sizes, drill some holes in it and fill it with the little packets.
    I have them in my gun safe, tool boxes, anywhere moisture can corrode something of value.
    To date, this method has worked flawlessly for me!
    Great video!

    • @nnamerz
      @nnamerz Před 6 měsíci +1

      Don't forget that once silica gel is fully saturated, it will no longer be able to absorb moisture. See my other comment which includes a bunch of other tips & also how to regenerate the silica gel so they can be reused again.

    • @Multi-Skill-Bill
      @Multi-Skill-Bill Před 6 měsíci

      @@nnamerz absolutely!

  • @ralphj4012
    @ralphj4012 Před 6 měsíci +4

    I love the way a KatKin cat food ad precedes the Clive vid. I suspect that Gourmet cats prefer real silica gel, over to Clive for that test (with proper fluids).

  • @zh84
    @zh84 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Excellent experiment! This would have done in my day for a project in SYS Chemistry.

  • @michaelfisher9671
    @michaelfisher9671 Před 6 měsíci +7

    Moisture absorbing ability per unit cost might also be interesting.

  • @dcallan812
    @dcallan812 Před 6 měsíci +7

    Very interesting, now I think you need to test Silica gel as cat litter. Great video 2x👍

  • @ralphshoop8822
    @ralphshoop8822 Před 6 měsíci +11

    Other than cost/effectiveness, I tried using cat litter silica and (at least the type I bought) where it is cracked rather than in beads it is quite a bit messier to deal with tiny shards of the silica falling out of your container every time it is handled.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  Před 6 měsíci +8

      When I filled the container, it was very dusty

  • @phils4634
    @phils4634 Před 6 měsíci +5

    If you need pretty dry, calcium chloride is the way to go - its water absorption is impressive, but it is a one way process, since you can't recharge the crystals. An alternative is molecular sieve - that is fully rechargeable (although at higher temperatures), and substantially out-performs silica gel in both speed of absorption and final (residual) humidity. Nevertheless pretty interesting, and something I too had heard of, but thought was one of those modern day myths. Thanks for sharing this with us all Mr BC!

    • @whynotdean8966
      @whynotdean8966 Před 6 měsíci +4

      Well you can "recharge" calcium chloride, it just takes more heat than the beads.

    • @tarakivu8861
      @tarakivu8861 Před 6 měsíci +3

      I think if you need constantly low humidity, you can also use a solid state electric dehumidifier.
      See a video from clive from 5 years ago: czcams.com/video/Vabq-s62IVM/video.html
      Though the cost of these might shock you a bit.

    • @Woffy.
      @Woffy. Před 6 měsíci

      Me thinks it also produces acetylene when wet ? . @@whynotdean8966

    • @npiper
      @npiper Před 6 měsíci

      @@tarakivu8861 wouldn't surprise me, a small town near me tore one of those membranes in their water treatment plant and were on bottled water for something like two months while a new membrane was shipped from somewhere in eastern europe...

    • @squelchstuff
      @squelchstuff Před 6 měsíci

      @@tarakivu8861Stephan at CNC Kitchen channel recently picked up on the solid state dehumidifiers after seeing that video. They are not cheap, but with greater exposure (public as opposed to specialist engineering) the cost might come down as economy of scale the more people start buying them.

  • @Charun1982
    @Charun1982 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Interesting. I store my 3D printing filaments with desiccants and oven dried silica cat litter keeps the moisture at a steady 10% RH, where as the round silica beads keep another container at 19% RH (same temperature), though i haven't dried the beads yet, as the indicators are still bright orange.

  • @janisvaskevics93
    @janisvaskevics93 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Great video! I also use cat litter, because no restriction of volume and price difference is way more than 3 times.

  • @Paul-FrancisB
    @Paul-FrancisB Před 6 měsíci +15

    Hi Clive, the correct word is adsorbent not absorbent 🙂 I have spent may years in the gas processing industry correcting that typo, so unfortunately triggered. It is an interesting example of a mini temperature swing adsorber tower. Most of the surface area for adsorption is internal micro pores rather than external, the pore sizes varying dependent on manufacturing processes. I am not an expert on kitty litter but it is produced via a more "cost effective" manufacturing process that yields fewer, but and larger internal pores hence the lower density and lower capacity W/W.

    • @RFC3514
      @RFC3514 Před 6 měsíci +1

      The larger pores are deliberate. It's meant to trap liquid quickly.

    • @grahammilnes7256
      @grahammilnes7256 Před 6 měsíci +1

      In this case, absorb is correct. Adsorb has a different meaning. Look it up if you don’t believe me.

    • @RFC3514
      @RFC3514 Před 6 měsíci

      @@grahammilnes7256 - No, it very much isn't. Everyone understands what it means, but silica *adsorbs,* it doesn't _absorb._

    • @grahammilnes7256
      @grahammilnes7256 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@RFC3514 Technical you are correct. I think someone could be forgiven for saying that the porous beads of silica material absorb (hold) water. Just my opinion.

  • @TopEndSpoonie
    @TopEndSpoonie Před 6 měsíci +5

    Thank you Dr Clive. Another science experiment completed.

  • @bertjesklotepino
    @bertjesklotepino Před 6 měsíci +1

    i used the cat litter silica gel for a very different purpose.
    first i used a coffee grinder to grind it to dust.
    And then i used it to cover up flowers.
    White roses.
    The flower piece of my father's funeral.
    And you know what happened?
    It dried perfectly.
    The leaves of the flowers dried without much change of color.
    The only thing is that you have to be careful with that dust. You do not want to breath any of it in.
    Plus, the flower has to be covered all the way, including in between the leaves of the flower.
    But, the result is very nice.
    If you make sure you dry it out completely, you can put such a piece of art in clear epoxy and it will last for ever.
    Just an idea for the cat litter stuff.

    • @bertjesklotepino
      @bertjesklotepino Před 6 měsíci

      btw, reason for using the cat litter gel is because it was cheaper and easier to get from a store around the corner.
      I do not know if it makes a difference if you were to use the other stuff.
      But my experience is that the cat litter stuff is good enough for drying out flowers so you can preserve em for a very long time, and the leaves do not crumple up or discolor much.
      Sure, they always discolor a bit. I guess unavoidable.

  • @VikingRul3s
    @VikingRul3s Před měsícem

    Thank you so much for this test! I've always wondered why/if it's worth spending 10-15x more on the beads. Thanks to you we now know the answer, which unfortunately would be a "it depends"

  • @Loscha
    @Loscha Před 6 měsíci +8

    Thank you again Clive for doing Citizen Science research!

  • @JamesTK
    @JamesTK Před 6 měsíci +31

    Those silica gel packs are the perfect snack

  • @fouzaialaa7962
    @fouzaialaa7962 Před 6 měsíci +3

    i dont have easy access to the silica get to keep my 3D printer filament dry
    this might be an alternative , i just have to put in double the weight !!
    thx clive, and may your 3D print's always succeed

    • @tarakivu8861
      @tarakivu8861 Před 6 měsíci +1

      No easy access? I can just buy kilos of that stuff online.

    • @fouzaialaa7962
      @fouzaialaa7962 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@tarakivu8861 your not in butt fuck nowhere africa where shipping costs more then the product itself !!! africa is BIG , bigger then the maps actually portrays it

    • @shabath
      @shabath Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@tarakivu8861Amazon isn't that common in Europe, it is there but it can get expensive.

  • @fookingsog
    @fookingsog Před 6 měsíci +3

    I used to setup and repair copy machines. The new copy machines came packed with bags of silica gel beads as big as my fist!!! 😮 As far as "recharging" goes, I always nuke the bags in the microwave for a bit, but not too long to drive out the moisture!!! There was always steam and evaporated water that I had to let dry off before putting back into the microwave for another heat up cycle!!!

    • @tarakivu8861
      @tarakivu8861 Před 6 měsíci +2

      That will probably heat them up too much, recommended is convection at 120°C (thats what the manufacturer of my silica gel recommends)

    • @Woffy.
      @Woffy. Před 6 měsíci

      Correct, I learnt this trying to dry my socks in the beam box and that didn't work very well. @@tarakivu8861

  • @cnt369
    @cnt369 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you for confirming this. I have some keepsakes I want to store with some desiccant, but the real stuff is so expensive in bulk that I was looking for other options.

  • @Jawst
    @Jawst Před 6 měsíci +1

    I have been using Wilko silica cat litter for a very long time and it's brilliant stuff!

    • @rmun386
      @rmun386 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Was surprised to see the return of the Wilko brand. It seems to now be part of the Range company.

  • @brapamaldi7666
    @brapamaldi7666 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I use the cat litter in porous fabric bags to chuck into all my shoes/boots to stop them from growing bacteria and smelling bad. it works a treat. of the 5 pairs of shoes/boots I use it in only one has developed a smell in the past 2/3 years and its only because they are my motorbike boots that got a bit soaked when i put a foot down during a river crossing.

  • @keithjurena9319
    @keithjurena9319 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Silica gel is technically a surface effect so it is adsorption, not absorption. I was corrected by a professor decades ago on this very subject.
    Larger pore size results in less surface area per unit mass or volume.
    Synthetic zeolite molecular sieves are rated in pore size in Angstroms.

  • @AMDRADEONRUBY
    @AMDRADEONRUBY Před 6 měsíci +3

    As ever it's very interesting you're the best Clive

  • @ftrueck
    @ftrueck Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thanks for this test. I already considered drying my 3D filament with cat Litter silica gel. Now that I know it is only half as effective I will not go this route. So: You litterally saved me money. 🙂

    • @tarakivu8861
      @tarakivu8861 Před 6 měsíci

      Check out solid state electric dehumidifiers, a video from clive from 5 years ago: czcams.com/video/Vabq-s62IVM/video.html
      That is, if you have some money to burn as the bigger ones can become quite expensive. Though the small ones should be enough for most storage boxes.
      Maybe paired with some silica gel to quickly initially reduce humidity after e.g. opening the box, the solid state element will then gradually also dry the silica gel.

    • @capitalinventor4823
      @capitalinventor4823 Před 6 měsíci

      By saying that it’s half as effective you are not able to say you will save money by not using it. The cat litter silica gel could still be effective enough to do the job. Comparing the average vehicle to a Porche and following your logic, it would be saving money to buy the Porche because it goes faster than the average car and it gets to the top speed quicker. But the average car is absolutely fine for everyone. One needs to take the cost into account. Even if one has to use double the amount because it is half as effective, if it costs one third of the price then money is saved by using the cat litter silica gel. There was no testing on how fast each product removes moisture from the air. Perhaps the cat litter silica gel is able to bring down the moisture levels in a 3D filament bag faster than the other silica gel product. It would be an interesting experiment.

    • @ftrueck
      @ftrueck Před 6 měsíci

      @@capitalinventor4823 By saving money I meant: I saved the money buing the cat litter to find out It is not working for drying my filament in the AMS of my Bambulab X1C. Of course, if you have enough space: just double the amount. But in confined spaces you can't do that. So: I saved money in buying a product I can't use in the place I intended it to.

  • @Subgunman
    @Subgunman Před 6 měsíci +2

    Surface area of the crystals compared to the beads. What happens if one crushes the cat litter crystals to the size f the beads, if possible. Theoretically you could fit more crystals into the same volume since there will be less space between the smaller pieces.
    You can also purchase desiccant crystals in craft stores used for drying flowers. These are the fraction of the size of your standard beads. They too can be recharged in the oven but require to be placed on a tray since they are so fine unless you want to sew them into a cotton bag.
    So far cat litter crystals have worked fine for me in storing dry goods for food usage.

  • @therealchayd
    @therealchayd Před 6 měsíci +3

    Thankyou, that was an unexpected result!

  • @marcdraco2189
    @marcdraco2189 Před 6 měsíci

    Oooo I get 'ard when Big Clive shows his working! Love this guy.

  • @o0OMouseO0o
    @o0OMouseO0o Před 6 měsíci +5

    The smell is going get a bit funky if you're going to be recharging the used silica gel cat litter.

  • @anyheck
    @anyheck Před 6 měsíci +2

    A nice way to make your own dessicant packs is to get Tyvek polyolefin mailing envelopes and fill them up. Like its use in a house wrap it is vapor permeable.

  • @PaddyGilroy
    @PaddyGilroy Před 6 měsíci

    Nice one Clive simple as that. Entertaining, factual, and information I didnt know I needed. I love this kinda shit.

  • @_SurferGeek_
    @_SurferGeek_ Před 6 měsíci +1

    These types of soft crystals are also used in cheap cigar humidifiers.
    The problem I've found with the cat litter type is that when it absorbs moisture the crystals tends to adhere to themselves and even when dried, they stay stuck together, unlike the traditional silica gel beads don't. Subsequent uses of the cat crystals stop working as efficiently.

  • @terrym1065
    @terrym1065 Před 6 měsíci

    Well, the experiment came to the conclusion that, yes, silica gel cat litter works as a moisture absorber just not as efficient as dense silica gel. Good job Clive 👍👍

  • @621pw
    @621pw Před 6 měsíci

    I use the kitty litter in my vehicle over the winter to absorb excess moisture. I put some in a tray, or if I'm feeling particularly adventurous I fill a boot sock and hang it from the coat hook. Seems to work well - thanks for the quantification!

  • @theoriginalbabycub
    @theoriginalbabycub Před 6 měsíci

    When you think about it chemically, crystals have water of crystallisation associated with them, thats what allows them to have a crystalline structure. The amount of water absorbed by crystals is thus going to absorb less water rather than the amorphous beads which dont have water already in their composition.

  • @lmaoroflcopter
    @lmaoroflcopter Před 6 měsíci

    Have used silica cat litter in the past to dry things in the past and in a sock in my old car to stop the windows steaming up. Worked well enough for those jobs imo.

  • @theman83744
    @theman83744 Před 6 měsíci

    Information I'd never use and would never have guessed how much I want to hear about. Great video! :D

  • @wisher21uk
    @wisher21uk Před 6 měsíci

    Really interesting investigation Clive never even thought of cat litter being useful thanks 😊

  • @ladedk
    @ladedk Před 6 měsíci

    Super relevant! I recently bought a pack of silica kitty litter to get rid of humidity in my car. I'm not super impressed with the results, but maybe I just need to get another bag....

  • @denispol79
    @denispol79 Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks, I was using cat litter crystals for my astronomy camera internal desiccant with similar results.
    It was sufficient for only two nights of observation, compared to almost a week when using the crystals recommended by the camera brand.
    But at 1/10th the price, It was worth it.
    Also the cat crystals I found were much smaller then yours, about only twice the size of regular desiccant beads.

  • @thefixitgal
    @thefixitgal Před 6 měsíci +10

    I use the Compressed wood pellets for Horse bedding. You get a 25Kg bag for 9.00Cad. changing the pan once every 5 days a bag will last 2 months. Its also safe for the kitties, Its bio friendly, Smells great and cleans out way nicer than the Beads

  • @inbillsmind3048
    @inbillsmind3048 Před 6 měsíci

    Over 29000 views on cat litter this is the peek of your career , grate vid 👍👍

  • @fxm5715
    @fxm5715 Před 6 měsíci

    Where I live, desiccant beads cost about 3.5x as much as the cat litter version by weight. It works out to be roughly twice as cost effective to use the cat litter, if volume isn't an issue. But for size and space saving, the beads win.

  • @Gazr965
    @Gazr965 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The cat litter stuff may be formulated for direct wetting from cat pee and not as strong as to absorb ambient humidity from the air before the cat has used it perhaps.
    Gaz Yorkshire.

  • @paulsaulpaul
    @paulsaulpaul Před 6 měsíci +1

    In the US (and maybe elsewhere), Special Kitty Scooping Clumping in the white 14 lb jug. It's a bit more expensive than some of the other stuff, but it puts off no dust. I mean like, no dust at all even after being used for a month and being dumped into the trash, or when brand new and pouring into the box. One jug fills a standard litter box. Never puts off a smell. Appears to be a combination of silica and clay, but I've not inspected it before.

  • @adama1294
    @adama1294 Před 6 měsíci +1

    One more test might be useful. The increased surface area of the cat crystals might make it faster on desicating. Could be usefull on some chemistry experiments.

  • @Paxmax
    @Paxmax Před 6 měsíci +1

    The beads are normally handled in such a way as to remain "unused" until deployment. With cat litter maybe regular moisture isn't a big part of product function. Maybe cat litter must be re-dried before use?

  • @f-s-r
    @f-s-r Před 6 měsíci

    It makes sense. I suppose that it only absorbs moisture on the holes it has on the surface, and the same volume of small beads have a lot more surface area than that of the larger crystals.

  • @chrism2964
    @chrism2964 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Luckily I can get about 50-100g of silica gel a day from work if I need it because one of the products we use comes with 25g packs inside. I collected about 2kg of it for my 3D printing filament storage boxes, and it works well once dried in a low oven.
    Never been convinced that its of any use for an actual house though, it doesn't absorb anything like enough to do anything useful in open air.

  • @d.t.4523
    @d.t.4523 Před 6 měsíci

    I didn't know there was a substitute. Great job! Thanks, keep working. Good luck.

  • @djayers
    @djayers Před 6 měsíci

    You the man. I've seen that cat litter, but knew nothing. I live in a leaky house, full of electronic toys, wettiness is an issue. This past couple of weeks it's been pouring, I've had a dehumidier running 24/7 in music room. Some bags of the kitty stuff inside gear might help.

  • @conrad42
    @conrad42 Před 6 měsíci

    Short and informative! Thanks :)

  • @franktuckwell196
    @franktuckwell196 Před 6 měsíci +1

    We used kitty litter on BR train stations, for absorbing 'Bodily fluids', spilled by humans who had "biological mishaps", on our platforms and concourses. Aso good for dropped bottles of red wine, but they left teratzo floors with a grey stain which we then treated with neat bleachand then neutral shoe polish, left the floor spotless.

  • @alexa.davronov1537
    @alexa.davronov1537 Před 3 měsíci

    This is really nice experiment. Thansk for sharing!

  • @PCBurn
    @PCBurn Před 6 měsíci

    With the price difference I use a sock full of kitty desiccant for less than a small packet of beads. Keeps a sealed plastic container with humidistat monitor at a low humidity.
    Also, drying in a prewarmed electric oven at 180(F) works a treat. 82(C) for non Freedom Unit locations. Pre-warmed and off so there's no hot elements in close proximity.

  • @Mike_5
    @Mike_5 Před 6 měsíci

    Wow this is mind bending i never knew such a consumer test was a thing but it is good 😄

  • @Aaron48219
    @Aaron48219 Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks BC! I've been wondering about this for the last few years. Any photographer will tell you that desiccant is a must for lens storage.

  • @springwoodcottage4248
    @springwoodcottage4248 Před 6 měsíci

    Fabulously concise, clear & useful. Thank you!

  • @bertkooijmans4769
    @bertkooijmans4769 Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks clive this is really usefull to know for 3d printing folks and dehumidifier folks as well

  • @jezko1976
    @jezko1976 Před 6 měsíci +1

    The difference in material plays some role, but shape do as well. Sphere has largest surface (compared to other shapes with same volume). If you compare total surface (which can absorb moisture from air) of many small spheres to total surface of less larger cubes (or prisms), you'll see masive difference.

    • @NoHandleToSpeakOf
      @NoHandleToSpeakOf Před 6 měsíci

      Sphere as a shape, have the least surface for a given volume. But I agree that small size and large number can compensate that.

    • @jezko1976
      @jezko1976 Před 6 měsíci

      @@NoHandleToSpeakOf So I mixed that up. Thank you for checking.

  • @markdeghoul5879
    @markdeghoul5879 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you for answering this bro👍

  • @ahmeterhanarik
    @ahmeterhanarik Před 6 měsíci

    i am so in love with your work.

  • @Hitstrekker
    @Hitstrekker Před 3 měsíci

    Excellent research Sir thank you !

  • @DelticEngine
    @DelticEngine Před 6 měsíci

    I like the way Clive takes the trouble to convert the modern standard units to those from antiquity. It's hard to imagine people using such strange and archaic units in the present day...

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  Před 6 měsíci

      I actually use both interchangeably. Whichever fits the application.

    • @DelticEngine
      @DelticEngine Před 6 měsíci

      @@bigclivedotcom Up until about around 35 years ago, I did the same. Then I went exclusively metric as it is much simpler, faster and more accurate for calculations when it comes to designing and fabricating precision parts. If I come across something from the old days the I consider might useful at some point, then I will convert it to metric. If both units are used on a data or specification sheet, then I would expect the primary units to be metric.

  • @christastic100
    @christastic100 Před 6 měsíci

    Love random stuff Big Clive

  • @rangerjones5531
    @rangerjones5531 Před 6 měsíci

    This was a good one! Keep them coming!🇺🇸

  • @PhDLunaticUK
    @PhDLunaticUK Před 6 měsíci

    The beads have a much greater surface area for adsorption to occur on than the larger crystals- assuming all the beads are identical, and all the crystals are, it would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between particle surface area and water uptake, rather than just by mass

  • @m4rkb0y
    @m4rkb0y Před 6 měsíci

    Brilliant bit of science. This is the kind of thing that puts my mind in overdrive the moment i try to sleep. This happens to everyone though... right?🤔

  • @CapnKetchup
    @CapnKetchup Před 6 měsíci

    Very good review! Thank you!

  • @sixtyfiveford
    @sixtyfiveford Před 6 měsíci

    Good info

  • @pr0xZen
    @pr0xZen Před 6 měsíci

    I've had really good experience using calcium chloride. It's not practical to dehydrate so consider it a consumable (it's inert so disposal of "spent" material as waste is unproblematic). It liquifies when it absorbs a lot of moisture so this must be accounted for with choice of container, application in mobile circumstances etc. But unlike silica gel it can absorb up to 7 times its own weight, and its absorption rate increases exponentially with relative humidity increase. It absorbs moisture down to a much lower RH level than silica gel too (at least that's my experience). It's also dirt cheap.

  • @vegas272007
    @vegas272007 Před 6 měsíci +1

    How do you always know the random things I am looking for?! I need a new desiccant pack for my Headlight to keep a little bit of moisture out. The one in the cap cover is hard as a rock!

  • @AKLM24
    @AKLM24 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you for answering my pop-up question at the pet store yesterday 😂

  • @Scodiddly
    @Scodiddly Před 6 měsíci +3

    My question is whether the cat litter is significantly cheaper.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  Před 6 měsíci +3

      It's easier to get.

    • @j.f.christ8421
      @j.f.christ8421 Před 6 měsíci

      My question is don't you have Google? For the lazy, the answer is yes.

  • @AB-Prince
    @AB-Prince Před 6 měsíci

    for the cat litter, I would assume it's more optimised for capilary action to absorb liquid that has pooled up, whereas silica gel is designed to absorb atmospheric moisture which the cat litter would also do if only to block bad smells.

  • @covishen
    @covishen Před 6 měsíci

    I was about to warn BigClive about the litter holy wars. From the title I thought he was comparing cat litters. Glad he didn't LOL

  • @FusionDeveloper
    @FusionDeveloper Před 6 měsíci

    Good to know!
    I always made the assumption without knowing the true data.
    Thank you!

  • @PuchMaxi
    @PuchMaxi Před 6 měsíci

    Nice experiment Clive!

  • @davidschaer8974
    @davidschaer8974 Před 6 měsíci

    You need to add the following into the experiment: the cost of silica gel in bead form vs. The cost of silica gel in kitty litter form. While the beads might be more efficient at absorbing humidity, i suspect that the cost-to-efficiency ratio would favor the cat litter. At the end of the day, it's all about how much water can you pull out of the air given a certain amount of money.

  • @dl200010
    @dl200010 Před 6 měsíci

    Another good desiccant to test would be Activated Alumina. I use this stuff a lot to keep my 3D Printer Filament dry. Slice Engineering sells it for a reasonable price.

  • @ReadGospelOfJohn
    @ReadGospelOfJohn Před 6 měsíci

    I did use crystal litter to keep my lenses dry.
    In terms of silica gel. This is just one of few substances used as descent. I've seen kind of clay granules too, I wonder how those would work in your dehumidifier.

  • @barrieshepherd7694
    @barrieshepherd7694 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Would it be possible to smash the cat litter crystals into smaller pieces, increasing the surface area for absorption? Or are they too 'rubbery'?

  • @d00dEEE
    @d00dEEE Před 6 měsíci

    Clive, your table needs one final line: cost/gram-absorbed... If kitty litter costs only a quarter (for example) as much as beads, then may save money by using it if volume/space is not an issue.

  • @17h127
    @17h127 Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you! That was useful to know :)

  • @albert_vds
    @albert_vds Před 6 měsíci

    Crystal cat litter is more affective sucking up liquids, as it's surface area is much smaller than the little beads and thus sucking up moisture from the air is less effective.
    I'm guessing it'll work much better to crush them up into tinier bits before putting them in the moisture absorber.

  • @ss181292
    @ss181292 Před 6 měsíci

    This is good apples-to-apples comparison.