Revealing My Thoughts on Tough Sentences
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Here are my personal opinions as promised on the sentences for the offences surrounding the riots/civil unrest in the UK. They are not intended to upset anyone or unduly criticise the judges for carrying out their role, but just a view as a citizen in the grand scheme of things.
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My ex husband got 4.5 years in jail for beating up a man who had sexually molested young children in his care, boys and girls aged 5-12 years old, that man got a 9 month suspended sentence for his crimes against 15 children, our justice system is......!! (I'll let you decide the word)
@@mrsrimskie5493 ran by paedos.
My sister was abused by next doors. Police did nothing apart from warn my dad not to attack him. The man had been doing stuff to other young girls in the street. Being back in the 1970 us kids made his life hell until he moved. Where did he move too? Next to a school entrance.
@mrsrimskie5493 seems my comment got removed. it could be run by guys who wear speedos. But they remove the letter S at the start.
Pedophiles protect Pedophiles
incapable of demonstrating the true meaning of justice ?
These “activist” judges are beyond the pale.
It's Misconduct in Public Office and it's a crime.
Do you think the labour councillor that called for slit throats will get 15 months?
@@WhatyourAncestorsknew He’s only been charged with Violent Disorder instead of Incitement to Murder, so 15 moths sounds about right.
@@bigCyril i guarantee you he'll get a community order.
Where's the jury?
“If you’re not allowed to be offensive, if you’re not allowed to hurt other people’s feelings, then you don’t have freedom of speech. Well, what do you have? The whole concept of free speech is that you have to defend the rights of people to say things that you disagree with- that may be offensive to you, that may be hateful. Because the minute you let the government decide, the government can decide, ‘what is offensive? What is hateful?’ Well, then they can make anything they want hateful or offensive.”
@@zerosumequation yes I agree. However the posts that he is talking about here are about direct threats to people or places. If anyone writes that harm should be done to a group of people then surely that must be wrong and stopped.
@@Dozeyish During Covid, I was persecuted as a non-vaccinated individual. People said I should be denied basic rights including healthcare, which was wrong - was it stopped?
No. It only stopped when the narritive moved on. Was anyone held accountable. No.
It comes down to what the Government wants . . not individuals rights.
so if you genuinely don't like someone for any reason you're not allowed to tell them as it will hurt their feelings, how bizarre .
@@mojo-zombie Only if they belong to a "protected" category, which directly conflicts with the principle that everyone is equal under the law.
@@Dozeyishnot really. There's a fine line between expressing an offensive opinion and actually expressly encouraging violence. The most recent legislation has crossed the line and we can no longer express our opinions.
If it was Starmer's aim to make most Brits fear and loathe him, he's done a sterling job.
The only thing he has done right. He has actually excelled
@@KaranBrown-xv6kk vile.
When the prime minister uses vengeance against the people, we are all lost, what unbelievably sad times we live in!
The way I see it, we are living in a system that has continually ignored or broken the promises that have been given, people are angry, even now being gaslighted by the government
@chrisphillips4781 * some * people are angry. It's an important distinction to be made when those rioting and supporting the riots are using rhetoric that suggests everyone is angry, therefore trying to suggest that they have wholesale support and are right to do what they did. There are times when such actions may be warranted because the authorities aren't listening, such as when an injustice has been carried out by the courts and the system keeps failing the victim(s) of those injustices because they directly impact on peoples' lives. But these actions are based purely on propaganda pushed by the far-right.
What happened to the separation of powers. The judge said in one case that it was the wishes of the prime minister.
That is direct interference with the judiciary, isn't it?
I suspect if that silly lady had a proper council she wouldn't be in prison now.
What far-right propaganda are you referring to? Why have no members of the non-existent far-right been arrested for supposedly bussing people to the riots or propagating them?
@@daviddavies3637 I would say there are different levels of anger, would I go out and riot, probably not, but I am angry because seeing my granddaughter looking out the window watching 4 youths run down another youth into a shop doorway and stabbing him with machetes ( city road, London), why do we have to continually put up with this. My partner's grandson was attacked at knife point and his moped was taken, if this makes me far right for being angry so be it
@@daviddavies3637 No one needs any far-right propaganda. What we can see being done to OUR country in front of our eyes gives us plenty of reasons to be angry. What is being done to US, the native British people, is WRONG at every level.
When one sees career criminals, with a list of offences as long as your arm not being jailed and others with no record being jailed for a one of heat of the moment post then most of us regard this as a massive miscarriage of justice. What's even more concerning is that, the courts are meant to administer justice without being pressured by government. But what's happening at the moment is strongly reminiscent of Russian courts.
Neh, the heat of the moment is just a poor excuse for calling for mass murder against innocent people with different religion or skin colour. Doesn't hold water.
Not forgetting that a criminal record is an automatic career ender for many professions. But if you are already a career criminal, then getting a record is meaningless.
@Xerxesro1 then a lot more of those innocent ppl should be put away too..stuff I've heard to my face and others just walking by,,vile
It is intended to chill ALL of our speech. They are being made an example of, to make even mild people second-guess engaging in the public square of x or other social media.
Grow up
The fact its even a question is the friggin problem 😠
Absolutely
Spreading rumours that result in chaos is a "social " crime. Free speech carries the obligation of responsibility. Check facts before sowing misinformation or carry the consequences.
@@eenigheid3186 Unless your the government which can lie and kill with impugnity.
@@eenigheid3186 that's a wonderful way to move the responsibility away from the ones acting.
It's literally the criteria of "That song made them do it" or "that game made them do it". Childish at best, dishonest at worst.
But then so is the fact that some people have taken to the streets in order to direct or influence government policy, particularly so just 30 days after a democratic vote.
Just the other day an Isla-mist brandishing a kitched knife while he attacked a shop in Golders Green in January this year. Had his charges reduced and was given an 18 month suspended sentence, he walked out of court a free man. Where is the justice in that? Its crazy how far things are going.
Wow. If true. That is so messed up 😢
@@timtreefrog9646 Oh its true, the attack in January 2024 was filmed. You may find it on line I got it from Tousi TV on Youtude
The government knows what it is doing.
@@Force9Gale-dt4rh No its rating has gon through the floor Stamer refuses to face the issues.
@@billballbuster7186 how was he an Islamist when he was drunk when doing this attack… and Islam forbids drinking alcohol???
It isn't just that these sentences seem harsh, it's that people from "certain communities" who have undoubtedly said and done MUCH WORSE THINGS than most of these people, walk free amongst us and will never have to answer for their chants, knife carrying, verbal threats and other such things.
Exactally this 🤬
It's bizarre that hurt feelings or bad words get bigger sentences than crimes causing physical life changing injuries
Only if you assume justice is meant to be blind. Easy to understand if you know the real purpose of justice is to protect the regime, not the public.
shame you don't understand the law.
Stick's and stone's may break my bones but names will never hurt me........ remember well they added,,unless a snowflake,,😂😂😂😂
@@chaipup7045 It isnt truly "the law" Pity you dont understand the difference between actual Law, and what the establishment has made "legal" or "illegal" "Hate speech" has been made "illegal" , but the powers that be, do not have a genuinely Lawful basis , to do that Establishment corruption, to quell down problens , that they themselves have created, over decades of ignoring the will, and warnings of the majority It is a kind of tyranny
@@chaipup7045the law? It’s just words written by humans. Russia probably thinks it’s law is right too, but people here don’t seem to agree
This will all end very badly people are sick of all the double standards. They keep poking the lion.
It will only end badly for the guilty in Westminster.
Don’t you mean WEFminster ?🇬🇧
Sounds like a threat Jimmy....
@@Lyndalewinder do you see it ending well ?
This will end badly when you realize you are the rat poking the lion. You dont stand a chance. You are weak. You are a moral coward and don't understand truth.
It questions the impartiality of the court from the government. It questions the principle of equality the same charging, prosecution, sentance for the same or equal crime. For me the whole thing has brought the Police, CPS, Court, Judge into disrepute.
Look up "Pour Encourager les Autres".
The law is inherently political.
@@R1chardH there’s no such thing as an equal crime. All sentencing guidelines include aggravating and mitigating factors. Aggravating factors get you a harsher sentence and mitigating ones get you a more lenient one.
Things like what this video is discussing are objectively made worse if you say it during a time of high civil unrest, because it fuels that unrest.
100 %
@jamieeames8934 I partially agree. However, most importantly there is equality in the eyes of the public courtyard and these have not passed those tests. Faith in the judicial system is as important as the system itself. Although no two cases are alike the system is built on president so there are always comparatives legally documented. The problems here though go beyond the courtroom and question the handling by the police, the decision to arrest and charge etc. Have we seen this with other periods of civil u rest, there's been a lots espically since 2019 and the answer no, not to this extent.
It has left a bitter taste of unfairness in the eyes of many as well as making the entire system look like what we see where law is the puppet of an authoritarian dictator. When the public see a headline of 2 years for comments facebook next to a headline of community service for a sexual assault of a child it only pours petrol on the fire, and worst of all makes the lunatics and conspiracy theorists look validated.
In cases such as this...A COMMUNITY SERVICE ORDER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. The countrys gone mad, only a few weeks into a new Govt. God help us.
Not in a state of emergency caused by these very people that would be deserving of those sentences.
Jailing violent rioters is one thing, jailing people who shouted, watched or posted a comment on social media stinks of something far more sinister. Shame the govt doesn't seem to be interested in sending a message to deter actual violent crimes.
@@lilactomato the message from the Government is a clear "put up and shut up and get used to illegals doing whatever they're doing".
If you stand by and watch a murder that makes you complicit.
@@jenniferbailey5914 If you can't see that free speech and rights are being eroded, then I can't help you.
@@jenniferbailey5914 This is not true in UK law.
@@jenniferbailey5914that’s not true anywhere 😂 dumb comment
It’s utter vengeance pure and simple
Every justice system in the world is literally a vengeance system. That's the whole point lol
It’s a deterrent. You can’t encourage people to commit crime and expect to get away with it.
@scottiramage317 yes i think you are right... the sentences for sex attackers etc arent given proper time..
@@jamieeames8934 one word for you… bollocks!! Seen plenty of others walk away with nothing (quite rightly too) the right to offend should always trump the right to be offended
@@jamieeames8934 Certain other sectors of the UK populous would disagree. Running around with machetes and nothing is done.
Two tier policing has now given way to a two tier judiciary. They are targeting people who are as mild, law abiding and ordinary as possible to make ordinary people afraid to express an opinion. The law has been misrepresented, mangled bland stretched beyond its limits to advance a political objective- itself an illegitimate objective of suppressing criticism of government policy. That the judiciary has fallen in line is shocking. I do criticise the judges involved.
@@jonathanhill9748
'Two tier policing'??
Not when compared to the PEACEFUL demonstrations by Extinction Rebellion that resulted in even longer prison sentences.
And they weren't even inciting attempted murder!
'The law has been misrepresented'. Can you provide evidence of this, or it is just your opinion? perhaps you have read in a X/fb meme?
@@sohosteveuk What's an example?
@@JAwtunes Basic logic would suggest that it has. If that wasn't the case then this current situation would have been happening for years.
One example of the law being misrepresented, albeit in a civil case, would be TR vs Syrian schoolboy. The judge dismissed all 12 witnesses (7 teachers including the head, 5 pupils) as "liars" with the reason that "sometimes people lie for no reason".
@@JAwtunesTime will tell. It will probably be another Post Office scandal
I've always believed in Voltaire's view- "I wholly disapprove of what you say-and will defend to the death your right to say it". I strongly believe in freedom of speech, and seeing the end of freedom of speech in the UK appalls me. Isn't this one of the things we were supposedly fighting for in WW2? Shame on the Tories and now Labour for letting this happen. People getting 20 months in prison for FB posts etc. is shocking and unbelievable, and with the Online Safety Bill coming into force in 2025 (and already Labour saying they want to strengthen it further), I am now scared for the future, as the UK is becoming quite Soviet now with its new oppressive and draconian socialist government.
we are going down the pan, the tourist money will definitely dry up, I'm looking into passport applications for my kids
@@GreatSageSunWukong. And that's when the Gov will hopefully get it. But I'm not betting on it.!!
@GreatSageSunWukong . Ps also, Argentina is looking for a safe bet to go to .
Totalitarianism usually doesn't happen overnight, it's little steps over and over until finally there is nor freedom or democracy left. The governments rhetoric implying that (and I mean implying, not explicitly claiming) that anyone who has concerns about immigration is an extremist is truly worrying and I would say to any counter-protesters who think they achieved some sort of victory to beware that the doesn't label you as extremists in 6 months time when your views don't support their narrative on some other issue.
So if I go on Facebook and exhort people to burn my neightbour's house down, that's OK? And if someone burns my neighbour's house down, what then? Freedom of speech does NOT come without responsibility. You're not scared for the future - you're scared about having to take responsibility for what you say.
Going to court would be enough to scare someone who wouldn't normally do anything wrong. And why don't they do community service - clean up graffiti etc rather than jail for people like this lady!
15 months in prison is ridiculous. £100-£250 fine would have sent the same message. 15 months in prison just verifies that we have a 2 tier police and justice system.
If you go too far with sentencing you run the risk of radicalising these people and building up a sense of injustice within them, they may start to see the state as the enemy and could potentially turn into domestic terrorists. This is why we need the law to be fair and not used as a political weapon.
V for Vendetta was a documentary.
A couple of thousand at most. In case you hadn't noticed, there's 70 million of us, and we're riled at you lot putting words in our mouths. We voted you out of power, now sling your hook.
@@JelMain "We voted you out of power"
No. Both main political parties want open borders.
I didn't vote for either of them.
@@GeoffreyMontegriffo I'm taking the wider view: if you didn't vote for anyone, that's not voting for them. his binart thinking is what I've criticised about him. Entitlement is not needing to explain your past actions or future intent.
@@JelMain Haha, you voted yourselves out of democracy.
Scott Adams has recommended that all Americans should consider cancelling any plans to visit the U.K. on the basis that they could be jailed for posts on social media.
That’s a potential loss of over $6 billion in spending by tourists.
It's also stupid. There's nothing new about our laws and there's a big difference between expressing an opinion and recruiting people to riot. In the US, most of the rioters would have been shot.
Good advice, there is no definitive list of banned opinions.
Scott Adams is a noted cartoonist who has become increasingly crank-adjacent in latter years. Perhaps not the best person to take holiday advice from.
@@onenote6619 Example?
@@whateverwhenever8170 that betrays a rather limited understanding of what your military is doing in our country. It's not for our benefit, it's for yours!
Why is Nick Lowles not in prison?
I hope this Barrister sees your post. And addresses the question posed.
Permanently....!!!!
@@Sarah-mg3gg he actually did insight violence with post about a muslin woman being attacked with acid ,which was untrue.
He's an agent of MI5
Because his one of them.!!
Wayne O'rouke went down for three years today for a post on Twitter he is now a political prisoner. He does a lot for forces charities and his post were seen as anti establishment and anti Muslim according to the BBC
He pleaded guilty to stirring up racial hatred by publishing material on his social media account between 28 July and 8 August 2024. He was encouraging the riots and violence. Argue with the sentence but don't play down his behaviour.
@@arfurascii2232 3 years though mate, c'mon.
@@MrMazza4321 Why didn't you mention that he encouraged the rioting and violence in multiple posts? Was it because you weren't aware of those facts or because you think it would have undermined your position that his sentence is excessive?
@@arfurascii2232 what is your solution for the government and police to actually enforce the current immigration laws and International Asylum laws? It is very easy to argue that there is no other recourse left after decades of trying to get it done by talking.
@@miff227 It doesn't matter what my solution is - violence is not a legitimate solution.
Sentencing should be even handed and legally appropriate, not decided by showboating politicians.
Judges are not politicians. They are employing the law according to the law. Sentences should be carried out by judges, in accordance with the law, not by random CZcams commenters feelings.
Labour hasn't implemented any changes in sentencing guidelines, the judges will have mostly been appointed by the conservatives. It's not political.
It wouldn't do to jail their voter base.
The man who repeatedly assulted a 12 yr old girl gets 18 months suspended ,where is the justice for that 12yr girl . Islam is not a race its a religion .
@@barbaraallen435 The people in government were most likely clients of Jeffrey Epstein, what do you expect?
Have you got more details about this case like the offender's name, where and when it happened? I can't find any case like this.
@simonneep8413 Suleman Maknojioa was given a 40 week suspended sentence, meaning he served zero jail time after being found guilty. That was back in 2014 but thers plenty of other examples.
Its an ideology, not a religion, and the people who believe it are also the people who hate us, our country, our language and our values, and yet our government seems to consider that they are our future.
its not even a religion, its totally made up and there is now enough evidence to support this conclusion
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this being so how can making critical objections be made illegal? Islamophobia is like imprisoning someone for not believing Harry Potter existed
Starmer openly published false information or information that was subsequently shown to be false about 'far right' gangs travelling in large numbers by rail and road into projected riot areas. There is no doubt this caused a great deal of alarm and distress as was shown by the respomse given by Muslim communities who took to the streets themselves in large numbers to counter this false threat. It's pointless to ask if Starmer will be held accountable for his actions.
It's odd you know, because in most of these cases there were a lot of people who appeared with exssex/london accents. Particularly the first one. And one local to me, its almost as if you're talking rubbish and Starmer was telling the truth.
@@egnbigdave If Starmer was telling the truth, there would be records of who requested permission for the protests -- none of which took place. It's almost as if you're full of nonsense.
Because these are show trials, like in the Soviet Union and BotC Germany.
The British have been sentenced to 5 years hard Labour!
That is a great line.
God help us all
40% didn’t bother to vote 🤷♂️
@@blackbeltsecrets Please read my reply: give us something to vote for. To lurch from Blair-Brown to Lettuce-Sunak is ridiculous. Even Dom Cummings gave up on the resources to hand, hoping there were more like me out there, fruitlessly: I neither could nor would come to their aid. We did vote, None of the Above. If Parliament then ignores a majority twice the size of Labour's, don't blame those who shower a murrain on both their Houses. Any colour as long as it's incompetent. What Starmer's starting to do is demonstrate we may have been mistaken. Time will tell. One thing that is coming visible is that the Civil Service were not quiet-quitting, they truly are incompetent.
If your idea of democracy is a choice between Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber, then it's time to tell you to get out of the Westminster Press Bubble.
@blackbeltsecrets Nice to know 40% of folk no it won't make a damn difference who's in power.😅
I think it is the government that is causing people to react like they are - I am frightened, upset & unable to sleep at 76 years old because of it all. How dare they do all the things they are to our dear country 😢
Try not to worry x The latest polls done on Friday show that Reform voters have surged and Labour has plumetted. There are local elections in May and the penny will drop for Starmer how hated he is by the people of Britain ❤
They dare because you mean nothing to them.
@@janetstanland2015
It’s our governments that deliberately caused the divisions we see on our streets.
@@KaranBrown-xv6kk
I don’t know the average U.K. voter is as thick as two planks.
Don't worry, bless your heart..
Labour will sink just as they have in the past ..
I don't think they will ever be re elected after this!
I think the will tank in the local elections & I hope people come together as a whole, whatever religion, colour, creed, there are many immigrants that love this country & don't agree with labour's vision.
Labour always brings this country to its knees!
At least there will never be another labour government for many years after this one.
Excuse me, but the labor party did not start or incite the riots. The Tory's and reform did. They turned you into bigoted criminals inciting for violence and rioting. That is not the fault of labour.
I wouldn't bet on that today's generations are being suitably brainwashed in UK academia.
@@adediver
They are here for a long time they will soon have a massive new voter base .
My concern is that in the UK, we , thats the ordinary British person always assumed that the law was the law, no matter creed, colour , sex or anything that distinguishes us. But now at 64 it is very obvious to me that law is in fact a tool of the state, it can literally be turned off, it can be turned up and it can be turned down at the hands of the administration....they get tough the law gets tough, they turn a blind eye the law turns a blind eye this was never how the average Brit thought it worked in the UK, banana republics yes, but I suppose we are now a banana republic. The law as now sunk to the same disdain as the BBC
Yet laws were brought into place to criminalise BLM/Palestine/Just stop Oil protestors... in the case of Just Stop Oil (though I disagree with them) they were not burning buildings and throwing rocks at the police. I'll hazzard a guess you were totally in favour of that one though.
You're too young to remember 68. I was 13, mentally 22, and realised there is of necessity such a thing as raison d'état. Machiavelli argues, rule by love if possible, by fear if necessary. Thankfully you're proving there's a middle path, be respected by your enemies, loved by your friends.
Exactally this 😡
You are sunken and disdained.
We are now a dictatorship.
George Orwell was only 40 years late.
And an optimist.
Orwell was talking about 1948.
When you see a Labour MP call the Tory party scum, now she’s the deputy prime minister the bar is set low by their standards. Then you have the left extremism’s from Nick Lowes who put out 2 inflammatory tweets, yet why has he not been took in by the police for questioning? If the Labour Party wants to be tough on crime, then I agree. But it must be across the board for left and right…😮
💯
Pot calling kettle black
@@BCrossing Its a difference which seems to many not difference at all - that's true
*I do not actually know ANYBODY who believes any of our Governments are honest, truthful or unbiased*
Do you?
Ricky Jones was arrested the day after his incitement to violence comment and he's been locked up ever since.
What inflammatory tweets are you referring to? I've searched and found the one about the alleged acid attack. He was wrong to post that without checking it was true, and he has apprologised and retracted it quite soon after. But that is obviously not in the same league as posting that people should blow up or set fire to a building with people inside.
Thank you. It has gone too far when normal, decent people are afraid to voice concerns and views.
Glad you brought that up; fearful for what they post. I think i´ll add nothing further about it, the subject will speak for itself within each and everyone.
Apparentley she was a carer to her husband 20 years her senior that will now need resources from the council along with the cost of her incarceration, a real lose lose situation.
Look at it from the bright side. If you end up as a poor pensioner and cannot make ends meet, just post something inflammatory and you are guaranteed housing, food, half an hour of daily exercise, access to a library, and chat with fellow inmates. Does not sound bad at all.
You'll come out radicalised of course!!!
And homeless
@@Upemm this when "rinse and repeat " comes in , whcih I beleive we were trying to eradicate .
@@Upemm If you can't afford to heat your home, you probably can't afford to live in it either. Not that the millionaires on Labour's front benches give a crap. What do you do when you have nothing left to lose? Because Starmer is going to create a lot of people like that.
Will they let us bring our dogs with us?
The sentences might be deterring, but they are antagonising far more. The government haven’t just ignored the issues, they have demonised and criminalised those that are genuinely scared, angry, and concerned. They may have crushed it for now, but what about the next time? The underlying anger hasn't gone anywhere, it's increased.
@@emjay9280 exactly, it's only increased the eventual severity when it happens again, at least in recent living memory
@@UTSareth It's time the Treason Act was updated, anyway. I mean, Walpole replaced the Lord Chancellor with a Prime Minister 300 years ago!
When the 12 year-old child gets a 20-year sentence for posting a meme on Facebook, but a knife attacker who kills a bunch of people only gets a light sentence of community service, you know that the law has gone bonkers.
The thing that concerns me most over these convictions, is the fact violent criminals are being released early to make room for these prisoners⚠️🤔😳
You say it's the Judge's call, but I'm not sensing an independent Judiciary here. I'm sensing political prosecutions - and that should worry everyone!
Political show trials.
It's Misconduct in Public Office by the jjudicary, we saw it with Tommy, we saw it with Assange, and now they are coming for everyone that won't submit to their evil.
Spot on here,disproportionate sentencing,purely political.
We now have a soviet style judiciary.
@@tannersmith8205 Every judge and magistrate is now Comrade Beria.
Labour: "mass incarceration does not work! We need progressive policing and restorative justice, especially for violent crimes!"
Also Labour: "we need 24 hour courts handing out harsh prison sentences and a standing army of police!"
👏👏👏👏
@@Rick-rs2mj Brilliantly observed.😄
But in one instance it's the English and in the other it's safe Labour voters.
Where will you get all the additional police? Restorative justice, well the UK has a legal system I wouldn’t call it justice.
Who are these people on FB because I know a few carers who are constantly reposting racist posts, quite sickening stuff and they’ve been doing it for years. Violence begets violence.
@@lizroberts1569 If words beget violence, it is still the fault of those who commit the violence, not of those who wrote the hurty words. It's ok to write racist things (really, it is - racism should be out in the open so we can see where it is), but it is not ok to turn the words into actions.
*DISCLAIMER: I am not spreading misinformation or inciting unrest or hatred* Let's see what that Labour councillor gets for his actual call for violence and compare it to the woman carer
Wonder what the odds are, about justice for that.
They both called for violence so they should both get the same sentence.
He has only been charged with Violent Disorder instead of Incitement to Murder, two tier policing at its best.
@@pete1942 *DISCLAIMER: I am not spreading misinformation or inciting unrest or hatred* I understand he entered no plea which is why it's taking so long. If that's the case I wonder why all the others didn't do the same?
@@kevinmaltby4202 DISCLAIMER: I am not spreading misinformation or inciting unrest or hatred - I have a feeling it's because he's public figure so his legal representation is hoping people talk about him on social media and post misinformation/disinformation about him thus ''prejudicing the case'' and increasing the chance it get's dropped. I don't know much about law though so I'm probably wrong but that's the feeling I get.
I totally agree with you regarding the sentence for the lady with no previous history of offending. The judge would have done well to suspend the sentence. All this is very worrying. I'm in my twilight years...and to be honest, I'm glad. Thank you for providing your opinions on Blackbelt Secrets ; it's very interesting. Love your dog.
No previous offenses CHARGED. She's probably been unacceptably vitriolic before. But what you need to understand was the context of while this was happening. On most social media platforms, what she said could hafe the post removed. Saying it in the middle of riots, encouraging the riots, in fact encouraging the riots to escalate into life threatening terrorism, to a Facebook group audience of 5000 is quite a bit more and white a bit different than "just a post with an opinion." I'm sorry you don't understand, but that's why we are having this national and international moment - billions of people enflamed by misinformation for no reason other than to poison our countries from within. If people weren't so prone to bigotry and misinformation and the riots never happened, maybe she wouldn't be posting about blowing up mosques in the middle of it. Words have consequences. The actions of posting online can also have consequences. These riots are the consequences.
@@subcitizen2012 Rubbish . Stick and stones eh . She is a POLITICAL PRISONER
@@subcitizen2012it isn't right to police 'vitriol' at all. People should be allowed to express discontent and it's the responsibility of the subject of that anger to come forth and prove the statements are wrong.
@@subcitizen2012 You rush to the defense of 'minor attracted people' and knife criminals in previous comments but don't give an inch for social media posts. Do you work in the legal system by any chance? If not you should. The current regime would welcome you with open arms.
@@Interdiction grow up FFS. She is not a political prisoner. She's a far right racist that fucked about and found out
"All censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions.
All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions.
Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship."
George Bernard Shaw, Mrs. Warren's Profession
I have a question ~ How can the judges in these cases meet their obligation of being impartial when the prime minister was on the news daily calling for an expedited process, harsh sentences and openly driving a public narrative to vilify everyone involved in the protests as far-right?
Starmer is destroying the lives of ordinary people who succumbed to frustration, to simply make a point. It's not just the prison sentance, but the ramificatins of that in lost jobs, inability to get back into employment, lost homes in some cases. For writing a line of text. This is beyond authoritarianism into deliberate callousness. This Labour governemtn has zero chance of regaining a positive reputaion beyond it's die hard fans. What they have done is increase anger and frustration by using the judiciary to suppress dissent without doing a single thing to address the reason for the dissent. Simply labelled everyone a far right racist and started throwing people in jail as fast as they can create spaces by releasing actual criminals.
The deterrent is; we will destroy your life if you take a stand against us. Good luck getting that approach to age well. Because all that happens is the govt will create a section of society who belive they have no recourse to justice and nothing to lose. I personally don't feel deterred. ! feel increasingly angry and motivated by this governemnt to find alternate means to oppose them. I'm sure I'm far from unique.
Well said, sums it up perfectly
Exactly. In practice habitual and lifestyle criminals get lighter sentences because the courts don't believe they are a deterrent to such people, and there is some truth to this, but this is why they should in fact get harsher sentences.
its almost like a reaction to a something20s general strike.
The more natives they incarcerate, the more homes gov can take to give to the illegal migrants.
They destroyed their own lives. Stop trying to look for some external locus of control. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime, as they say.
This is what causes the pent up anger which erupted last week. People will feel they have no way to make themselves heard or vent. While I wouldn’t support any of things people have posted. I see social media like a TV, don’t like the channel. Then turn the TV off.
Only of a minority of the population. Will you kindly stop usurping the voice of the people so soon after the election? You didn't win, denied the results, and won't live with the consequences.
I'd hazard a guess that that is exactly the effect they want to generate.
@@Momosblackdog Some of us never turned the TV on. I'm active on here, I tried a single Reddit channel, and left after 6 months because it was unbearably poisonous. You do have ways, I've actually enabled an entire community in Brussels to regain control from an autocrat, but when you see Elon Musk stoking the blaze, then it's time to end their game.
If you look at the behaviour of our government and Police during Covid none of this comes as a surprise.
Yes their behavior worldwide now they are pushing for this state of affairs again.
I will not comply.
The Judge missed the point, people are not just sad and disgusted anymore, people are angry, very angry! If people don't feel that their children are safe then there is precious little they won't do to try and protect their children!
Children now seem to be more in danger from the authorities.
Suspended sentences and criminal record is bad enough, prison is madness
Some had a criminal record before this kicked off. Those with no criminal record are another matter.
My criminal record is Russ Abbotts "What an atmosphere".
Do you think Ricky Jones the labour councillor will get 15 months?
Can a homeless person post un desirable messages get free bed and breakfast?
Is it incitement? 😂
Probably yes, there are people who do get themselves jailed for minor crimes because it is better than their normal circumstances. Used to be a favourite with tramps in a cold winter, find a policeman and put a window in to get a night in the warm cells and a feed.
@@end_of_the_world-v8g Only if you exhale far to the left.
Are you asking for a friend lol
In my opinion, both the government and law enforcement across the land have clothed themselves in disgrace and are a national embarrassment.
No they are criminals committing Misconduct in Public Office.
@@jjhw2941 You'd know.
International.
Remember the words of a former Brit when Tyranny rears it's ugly head, I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man- Thomas Jefferson🙏🙏🙏 see how well that worked out for Britain🔥🔥🔥
@blackbeltsecrets as a Swiss person I wonder: what about the so well known thing we know makes British people British: the sarcasm, the irony, the beloved dark British humour. The way to cope with utterly depressing, devastating stuff by using quiet morbide black humour to cope with it. Sardonic, cynic, sarcastic, ironic remarks. How do they distinguish between the very thing British do to cope with something and between those who are about to do something incredibly stupid. And those who are not intelligent enough to understand that humour and take it for real and do something incredibly stupid... I somehow have the feeling that many were just based on British humour. 🤔
Self censorship has always been the goal IMHO. Appreciate your views 🙏
Simple answer, YES!
Simple reply. NO!
Yes for me too because we are seeing unequal treatment. The riots were shocking and distracted from the reasonable concerns that peaceful protesters were voicing. The lady who made a very silly remark in the heat of the moment could easily have had a suspended sentence, such is handed down to many offenders.
Where are all the human rights lawyers rushing to take these cases? Pro bono of course.
Was Starmer not one?…lol.
The worst thing is what feels like unfairness. Some groups seem, literally, to be getting away with murder. Police look at what one group say under a microscope but not, for example, what an Imam might say to a congregation.
Other groups can protest, chant, riot freely.
How is that not discrimination by the police & government?
Seem to be getting away with murder?
They are getting away with murder and every other serious crimes.
Surely article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998 guarantees the right of free speech. Ironic but, Starmer, the Police, the C.P.S, and Judiciary should be brought berfore the E.C.H.R. Rioting, destruction of property, violence is one thing, the attack on free speech is something totally different.
4:10 The judge told her that she should have been looking at the news with the correct and approved ópíníón, becaue she wasn't sharing the correct ópíníón about what she was being told to think, her sentence was harsh.
Giving her 15 months is not a deterrant to any "ríght minded people" it's just going to fúél the fíré.
I hope to god this all becomes extrémély víólént, we can't vóté óúr wáy óut óf thís and the government wants the local population completely removed, we fíght or díé, too many of us are content to díé already, it might already be too late.
Yep ,that bit about what she should watch and think was extremely disturbing.
well said.
Imagine going to jail. The inmates say what are you in for? Posting on social media while you are standing next to a rapist, pedophile etc
If you read the lady whose ex-husband did 4.5 years for beating up a paedophile- it seems unlikely you’d be in prison with paedophiles or rapists.
The best defense I have heard against these sentences would be from Kier Starmer QC when he said sentencing people to prison for merely offensive remarks would not be in a the public interest.
Kier Starmer KC seems to disagree, so I think he should see himself in court and thrash it out there.
Offensive remarks or inciting violence. Spot the difference?
@@jenniferbailey5914 One man's offensive remarks is another man's inciting violence though. Remember it is now a crime to be "racist" online. Not sure how we got here, but again, it's hate speech legislation on steroids.. They don't have to show harm, just infer harm. Letting the population know that we should keep our opinions to ourselves. As per Russia and China, as it happens. Actually, afaict, this is somewhat more draconian than either of those "enlightened democracies". Weirdly, the judge kept repeating the word racist but it was about Islam. I guess dissonance is irrelevant if were are ignoring the evidence of our eyes and ears, as Orwell said. I wonder if Christianity gets racial protection in the future.
@@jenniferbailey5914 calling people "far right thugs" does what exactly in the minds of the anifa-types? It incites violence, tested and proven countless times. Kier should arrest himself.
@@jenniferbailey5914 I'm not sure that Labour do.
The best idea is for bigoted and misinformed rioters to stay tf home in the first place.
Yes the government have gone way too far
The rioters and misinformation that fed them went too far.
Starmer should face the full force of the law for inciting riots. He has done nothing to help the situation, just installed more division and civil unrest.
Some of this is petty vindictiveness. That's really all there is to say.
Nothing petty about throwing someone in jail for a thought crime
This is a stain that will haunt the labour party for eternity. They have not listened to genuine concerns and have turned on their own people. The Orwellian nightmare
@@davidclegg3554i truly believe that Labour are finished now
Career crims get suspended sentences, words posted on social media that probably nobody listened to and saw it for what it was actually ruins someone's life. I think starmer is setting a precedent that he can't maintain, especially the two tier issue, it's going to get worse.
Good point, he's backed himself into a corner as any subsequent crimes or rioting, which may involve minority groups, he will need to be seen to come down on them in the same manner which it appears so far they have been treated differently.
@@plummetplum Don't presume he's as wet as the previous bunch of ditherers. The primary responsibility of Government is to change things for the better. First task, draw a firm line under the last Administration, restoring actual Government, rather than shilly-shallying incompetence.
@@plummetplum He isn't in a corner. There have been PLENTY of opportunities to arrest, try and jail people from "minority groups" and he just blatantly doesn't do it (or orders the police not to do it). He simply does not care because he will always win. Until the end comes for him...
The sentences are fueling the anger driving the violence and protests, and thus risk escalating it.
I think that's what they want
Really not the case. Nobody will riot because some thug/coward got a prison sentence.
@mjowsey but they aren't all thugs. Some ppl got sentences for showing up & chanting others for posting messages on FB then quickly deleting them. Normal decent ppl- Very long sentences too, while pedos are being let off by the very same judges sentencing them
@@mjowsey You and I may see the rioters (and their supporters) as thugs, but that isn't how they see themselves. They will instead see themselves as righteous political activists or freedom fighters.
@@Kerry-ft2zf That's just the type of BS that started this whole thing. Convicted Pedos aren't let off, you can argue that the punishment for them isn't enough.
In 1999 some guy at my work was convicted of recieving and sharing childAbuse images. He was kept waiting for the trial for almost a year and then got sentenced to 3 months in prison. He definitely was punished and if I was in his shoes I'd have topped myself.
Well said, BBB and fully agree. I believe it’s a blatant misuse of the law. It should be applied to individuals on merit and not as a deterrent.
My concern is the common use of terms like "racist" "nazi" "sexist" and "bigot".
It seems like these terms are thrown around at everyone rather haphazardly, even if the person doesn't meet the definition of these words. This trend of misappropriating those words and the law essentially prohibiting certain speech regarding protected characteristics has put people on edge with their ability to use their right to freedom of expression.
I mean I've been called a racist and a sexist for simply disliking a movie or a game before. If I speak up against my dislike of the government's actions, I'm sure I'll be called a nazi for that. But with these harsh punishments being dished out and the government having a history of being loose with it's interpretation of hate speech. It does scare me to speak my opinion in fear of someone with the power to arrest me would see what I have stated and interpret in a way I did not intend for it to be interpreted.
It's really is terrible isn't it
Any who go to jail will emerge radicalised - its entirely counter-productive.
She wanted to blow up people. She threatened terrorism against completely innocent people.
It was racist too, as the last time a child was killed by a white British man, there was no call for an attack on churches to be blown up with people in them.
There was no attacking white men on the street.
Anybody saying what she did deserves to be jailed.
This vote is skewed because of the echo chamber. Anybody not towing the line gets attacked.
ABSOLUTELY!
@@Zantorc indeed, this will create the boogyman the activists have been claiming to fight for the last decade.
@@zopEnglandzipNot just those who’ve been imprisoned!
@@Zantorc They have already been radicalised, which is why their language and behaviour is so unacceptable, why is why they are being jailed.
Consider: If someone you loved had been violently attacked, and I was later found to have encouraged the offender to go and commit that crime, you would want me punished alongside the actual offender.
Wouldn't you?
The law needs to be easily understood by the avetage citizen. When a highly skilled barrister has to proceed with extreme caution when offering general advise , we have a problem.
Some of the rioters would not fully understand the law and hence not understand the legal consequences to their actions.
Also
My guess is most tourist would not know that being an impartial observer to a riot could result in them being sent to jail. Not sure if many western countries would also have laws like this.
I honestly believe that the rioters had seen the Harehills riot and thought they would get away with it in the same way they did..... unfortunately they were not aware that Starmer was 2tierkeir at that point
That dartford councillor needs to be made a example as a deterrent
@@MR.TB67 along with all those clapping & cheering his comments
I can t believe how low Britain has fallen.
Well, they let propagandists and foreign influencers and powerful algorithms to brainwash half their population up until the point it turned into mass unrest. Misinformation and lying propaganda need to stop. If the civilian population can't be responsible for the media literacy and over their ability to control their own minds and politics, then they will have to face the consequences for their own actions.
Why we watched it fall for decades and still voted for it?
shocking and is to get worse
It appears that the great leader has decreed that draconian sentences are dished out and judges are doing as they are told.
So much for an independent judiciary
North Korea would be proud.
We don't need an authoritarian lawyer running this country, we need someone who can govern and understands the people and how they feel. I dont see the point of venting on fb or x because that won't change anything. Its going to get much worse, ive watched a few documentaries on Starmer and I'm worried we are going to loose a lot of our freedoms.
I speak to local leaders away from the spotlight. Labour leaders are attempting to repair damage being caused by Parliament but they're admitting that all of their hard work at a local level has been trashed in an instant. The reputation of the Labour party is now mud.
It was mud before it just that people could not be bothered too vote and Lab slid in with a vote share smaller than 30 %
They won't get in again but we really need a vote of no confidence and an early general election.
@@crumplezone1next time it’s reform
This is nonsense. The vast majority of the public condemn the rioters and approve of the punishments. Even the vast majority of reform voters condemn the rioters and support the punishments. Less than 20% of reform voters think the punishments are too harsh.
@@majordelays4909 I am sure they will be easy going on protest... /sigh
One good thing to come out of this is that should you get burgled while you're in your home, don't dial 999 just post an offensive tweet and the police will be round before you can finish the word police.
😂
I'm in Australia, and we've just had a show start airing here called "Code Zero", about UK police being beaten & assaulted when on their own, or in pairs. In view of the over-handed prison sentences given to people with no criminal history posting on social media, or being observers at rallies that turn into riots, I'm absolutely disgusted when I read at the end that thugs assaulting people, running down with cars, biting them, throwing police women repeatedly into walls, etc are given small fines &/or community service hours. These judges have created a disaster. It was in the making (besides mass migration without integration, and of course the "grooming gangs" - what a downplaying of the crime - mostly given the blind eye), and now posting in social media gets months/years in prison... while physically attacking police doesn't? That's insanity! It's dystopian. Of course, those thugs recently who are doing actually violence should indeed get custodial sentences. I've heard on social media by experts, that the prisons the prisons there are full, and that to inprison social media commentators would require releasing *actual criminals* from prison to make room for these people on social media. That's insane, too. The UK really needs to rethink it's system... because Australia isn't taking in any more British convicts, and in our colonial days (and no, NONE of my ancestors were convicts - my ancestors came as settlers to the only free, settler-only state in Australia. Maybe stop with the mass migration for awhile, deport asylum-seekers & migrants who do violent offenders back to their country of origin, as Australia is doing, well, at least for the worst of those who offend here. Yeah, the justice system there is unfair, not blind at all, and is left-leaning. It's not fair when the rules keep changing so fast, leaving everyone scared. But again, seeing how police are so beaten, the offenders get off with a slap on the wrist, without any fear of beating police up again, I get so angry when I hear of what's happening to people without criminal histories now. It's like the left convicting the right - just like the US has veen doing at times in recent years. (And yes, the same happened to Victorians here, under a very left Premier during Covid.). The Western World is so upside down at the moment. No wonder people get angry. And that poor 11yr old girl that was stabbed in Leicester Square was an Australian, there with her Aussie mum - that's broken our hearts, and doesn't sit well with us Aussies.
Anyway, it was lovely to see you out & about (ie different setting) walking with your dog. What a cutie your dog is! ❤️ It was lovely to see sunshine in your video - I don't often see sunshine in British videos, except for Period Romances, where they're wanting to show England at its finest. Again, this scenery was a welcome relief, for a change.
Crimes are crimes, especially when serious crimes are serious crimes. You can t cry for the police being beaten and then justify that for wanting to let off their first time offenders for beating them. If you want criminals to be punished, it needs to be punished. Look at El Salvador and their very serious crackdown in violent crime and gangs. This is what we need across the west. Harsh, but just, criminal crackdowns. Then none of this back and forth about what about this or that case would be taking place, and none of this apologia about violent crimes being innocent.
I agree with 98% of your reply but the British people particularly dads women and kids and the family unit have been attacked for decades and criminalized their is a lot going on in our communities schools and workplaces that through no fault of your own you don't realize because its suppressed by our government and MSM you will understand though it is coming to Australia and its coming fast unless of course you are not a working class citizen of Australia.
With so many people seemingly being sent to jail without passing Go, it suggests that people are under duress to plead guilty i.e. a considerably more severe punishment is threatened if they opt for trial proceedings. The advice we, as jurors, we're given in a trial I was on, was that if we felt the accused was under duress when he did what he did, we should find him not guilty.
It's standard to get a third off your sentence if you plead guilty at the earliest opportunity. If there's evidence of 'threats' beyond that, please provide it.
@@arfurascii2232 Tommy Robinson's pregnant wife was threatened by police to make him plead guilty back in the day. If you think the police are any better today you have another think coming.
@@miff227 What form did this 'threat' take?
We have been told for years that prison isn't a deterrent yet suddenly that is what it is stated to be. Ironically this may be the very situation when it isn't. If you take an ordinary citizen, not a habitual criminal, and destroy their life like this for something they said, not did, they have nothing to lose in future, the state already took everything they had.
It really is horrific 🤬 Poor people 😢
I think the sentences are totally disproportionate especially in the case of people that have never offended in any way before.
A suspended sentence would be bad enough to scare the bejesus out of the average person. The sentences seem to bypass the usual channels that give the possibility for non-custodial punishments.
I believe the way that the laws are being enforced amounts to state terrorism of its own population.
Regaring people who have posted comments on social media and been convicted, I cannot imagine how terrifing the prospect of prison is to some of these people, people who may never have comitted a crime in there lifes. Sure..everything agrees... people who riot deserve punishment, but keyboard warriers going to jail ... for one (admittedly awful and misguided) post? this is scarily disporportionate? This country feels very different, very fast.
Are the people sentenced already, if so, do we know if they're safe, what conditions they're being kept in? I ask because, Kevin Crehan who was convicted of putting bacon on a mosque's steps was killed in prison.
@@jjdakjjdak Can't confirm for sure, but one of those recently locked up was attacked with one of those sharp objects, by whom I don't know. I'm basing this on reports via CZcams, not MSM as I don't watch any TV etc.
Why aren't the civil rights lawyers of the UK going in to bat for the ppl? These sentences are unjust! A fine is appropriate.
Because the Legal & leftists NGOs want this to happen
“Your punishment for having a knife when they searched you would be very different from the thief’s. For him to have a knife was mere misbehaviour, tradition, he didn’t know any better. But for you to have one was ‘terrorism.’”
- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
And so it goes now in this country. Prior bouts of disorder (2011, BLM, Harehills) have been policed softly, with politicians and the media falling over themselves to make excuses for the criminality, either saying that there were underlying problems which needed to be addressed or capitulating completely. Therefore, those who, quite reasonably, felt that they were not being listened to came to believe that sometimes violence gets results. But those prior examples were all broadly left wing client group aligned riots that were allowed to play out. So, when the British working class riots, it's all "far right thugs" and, as regards the underlying causes, Keir Starmer literally said "it doesn't matter" - and that was before those three brutally slain schoolgirls had even had their funerals.
Yes, of course, any responsible government should use the police to quell public disorder. That's a no brainer. But, rather than turn the heat down by acknowledging public concerns as well as enforcing the law, this tone deaf government's response has been to try to hold the lid on the pressure cooker.
When the deterrent becomes so heavy handed all that does is fuel the fire even more
Ok. All those who voted for Labour......Shane on you!
Now, is that Alan Ladd or Ted Bovis?
Why, those who didn't vote should have if they cared
@@elfishmoss1457 We did care. Once. Now, after 20 years of abuse, it's a very different matter. We remember Blair and Brown, and Boris purged the Tories of competence. I saw it with my own two eyes. The result is that None of the Above won by a landslide. If there was the least honesty in Parliament, they'd recognise the fact, but their greed, on both sides, overcame that.
Because of work I'd done, Rory Stewart had a good start to his career. We knew each other well. He's a perfect case in point, withdrawn deeply wounded from Parliamentary Politics. Are you going to tell him he's to blame. We were trampled by Boris, who'd read too much Jeffrey Archer. Then, once he was in No 10, he was unable to lead, because he'd never studied or done a thing. Cummibgs took over, discovered the Party was now unmanageable, and the Civil Service had Quiet Quit, which was probably the best thing they could have done. God alone knows how much harm they might have done left to their own devices: the European Commission's an excellent case in point.
You won't convince me that these judges aren't taking instruction from this Labour government.
@@rayzalaf8988 exactly. And what’s Lord Sumption got to say about it? Nothing. That tells us all we need to know.
In 2 weeks, a typically glacial bureaucracy has, all of a sudden, gained the support of literally every News Network, News Paper, Chat shows, The Courts, the РоIiсе, their sheep, all in a 2 week period.
They're all taking instructions from somewhere. That's self evident. Likely the WEF
In 1984 the people ended up censoring themselves
I am 55 and i haven’t posted horrible stuff but i have questioned the government sometimes without being nasty but everytime a car pulls up outside my house i am nervous and look through the curtains….its making me ill no joke.
Revolt. If Charles III doesn't get your back repeat Cromwell.
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Labour won 63% of seats with only 34% of the vote. 66% did not vote for labor. The by-elections will be a good indicator of what the British people think of the current government.
Using those who turned out to vote is giving liebour the benefit of the doubt.
Of the eligible electorate less than 20% voted for them. (Only 19.2% to be precise)
Roll on May for Starmers humiliation hopefully
This is so outrageous, I can't even. If we really are going police speech in the UK like a dictatorial regime, then I also don't think it's irrelevant as to whether she meant what she said. To me that appears to be quite relevant.
Your age please?
@@robertdenley 35
I know the feelings of the majority of my friends, those online did not make any comments during the unrest. That means people are scared of voicing their views. George Orwell had a point. We are now suppressed.
As these sentences where ordered by STier Skarmer , they are politically motivated and therefore unlawful and he has dishonoured himself in front of the King and us all.
Labour will never be voted for government ever again
Labour as was, is no more. So hopefully they never will, but it depends on what they get away with now.
I hope so
Rushed justice is no justice ♎⚖️
Real victims of serious crime are waiting months and months for justice.. prolonging their misery..
I think making people afraid to post certain things online is the whole point.
There should be no such a thing as "Tough Sentences", the law should treat everyone equally. A person may have mitigating circumstances, but the law needs to be applied without bias nor favouritism.
Reputational management has been a catastrophic failure. Starmer and the police handling of this has really damaged the UK's reputation around the world and it's going to cost us dearly.
@@garrygrant2394 more than the Tories have done over the last fourteen years (mainly those since Johnson got in)? I don’t think so.
I think the only one they have got wrong is the woman who got 17 months for the online post. Considering JSO got 4-5 years for peaceful protest then the sentences for the rioters seems rather lenient.
@@ShaunieDale I strongly believe the global reputational damage Labour have done in five weeks is far worse than what the Tories ever did. It is the Tories fault we have Labour so I do blame them. However, there can be no excuse for this level of incompetence and I'm not just talking about the legal stuff/threats. Starmer and co are just not up for the job and I do not see that changing based on the lack of talent across his cabinet. Pretty much zero talent in the house of commons anyway but Labour seem to be the special needs group. On the positive note it makes the decision to sell what few assets I still have in the UK and move them overseas. Its the last thing I want to do but five years of this government is unthinkable.
Imagine how much worse it would be if they just let the rioters run amok just to appease your busted sense of civility.
The fact that even a barrister would have trouble specifying what we can and can’t say on social media, is proof enough that this has gone too far. Don’t you think?
Good point.
Start with, don't give support and suggestions to the riots while riots are happening. That's pretty much it. They aren't going after just anyone.