What 2 DAWs Make A Super DAW?
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- čas přidán 21. 02. 2023
- In this episode the guys discuss what 2 DAW's combined would make a super DAW. Would logic and pro tools together create a monster DAW that weve never seen? Would FL Studio and Pro Tools together take over the entire music world? WOuld Ableton and FL Studio create a beat making DAW that would be insane? Let find out.
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Y’all sleeping on Logic, there’s the normal parametric eq but there’s also the vintage collection that has pultec, api & neve emulations with built in saturation and optional linear phase , plus the stock compressor has 1176, La2a, ssl bus comp and w bunch more
Reason fits nicely with ANY DAW.
Facts
Studio One is already a super DAW. It should be the industry standard.
Much Love!
EXACTLY!!!
We have a mastering suite WITH plugins. It should be industry standard
Agreed
They don't know bro it's already the super DAW
@@DeeNelsonDee_nels_on_duty They really don’t. 🙂 But that’s ok! They won’t find Studio One, Studio One will find them.
Studio one was literally built on this very concept. Give. Studio. One. Their. Flowers!
FACTS
Studio One and FL Studio. If Studio One had FL step sequencer and Piano Roll functionality it would be the best DAW bar none. It's still the best at recording, mixing, and mastering though.
Studio One does have a Step Sequencer. When selecting a track go to Event > Insert Pattern, just discovered this last week.
@@BigAmp2012 The added it over a year ago but it's trash. It's not even close to FL's functional wise.
Studio One a super daw on its own but S1 + FL + Abelton would b killer with S1 workflow and UI
Tha FL UI is 🗑️
FL Studio piano roll is by far the greatest piano roll imo. From random melody generators, to the ability to access multis within just ONE piano roll instance is crazy.
For example, if you're using something like kontakt and it has two instruments loaded in one instance as a multi, you can change the color of a piano roll note (or notes) that correspond to that particular multi in kontakt...instead of loading an ext. instrument plugin like Ableton. I'm not sure if this makes sense and Idk if any other daws can do this, but deffo not Ableton.
I use studio one and can't lie FL piano roll set the bar for every other daw it is the goat..
U can just route midi tho...
I will say this: Studio One’s step sequencer is crazy.
Love studio one but compared to the FL step sequencer it needs a little work. It’s just so easy on FL
Agreed! I use them together, those are my two DAWs
I call it “FL Studio One 21/6” 💪
@@montanamaxxamillion how?
@@Options_Trader11 open FL as an AU/VST in Studio One…and you can route 16 channels to their own tracks in SO….FIRE 🔥
@@montanamaxxamillion you should make a video on this
Studio ones automation is crazy we have latch,read,write, auto and we have all the curves and you can automate ant knob you touch and studio ones Groupon and comping/layering is nuts it's just not represented here enough but studio one is the GOAT for mixing and recording and masterinh
Studio One + FL Studio = Greatest DAW of all time. Studio One had Melodyne first than Pro Tools it's the best comparable to Logic. Cubase, Logic, and Studio One are the most well rounded DAW.
Totally agree with you..
100%
That's my current setup, FL Studio for making beats and Studio One for tracking, mixing & mastering. Will learn Pro Tools next then afterwards MPCs.
The MPC will change your life between that or FL u really feel part of a gang/community I use all three and Studio One is my bread and butter where it all started for me
I agree. I’ve used all the ones that you named. I use Cubase mainly these days.
Studio one 6 for mixing and mastering, fl studio for piano roll, logic for the beautiful looks and ableton for live sessions.
Studio One for music creation also, drag and drop, pattern mode, splitter, scratch pad, arranger track, chord track, etc.,
@@shango7942 I agreed 👍
First - respect to the HMD channel and the co-hosts, LJ & Courtney! This is one of the dopest, most useful channels out here!
Lissen, I trained on Pro Tools and Ableton, but imma keep it 100 - Cubase is the Swiss Army Knife of DAWS. A lot of the stuff y'all mentioned - sampling, midi, routing, mixer features, etc. - Cubase be like, "hold my beer".
Cubase not only invented the VST, but also the "block" style of arranging music that EVERY DAW now uses, not to mention leading the industry in MIDI manipulation (which was it's original primary purpose).
Cubase is literally the "Black Thought" of DAWS - slept on for years, but secretly the GOAT!
ADD Pro Tools' solid Post-Production and Recording capabilities with Logic synth plugins and you literally have the KRAKKEN of DAWS.
No lies told.... Cubase's only real issue is it has so much stuffed into it that the learning curve is high compared to the other DAW's. There are literally 4 different ways to zoom for example 🤣 3 different means of rendering. 4 totally different ways to align and time stretch. It's silly powerful and confusing for newbies I'm sure
@@fts1981 LOLOLOL - STG, you are NOT lying. I've been using Cubase since 5 and I'm STILL working my way through it! Now that the DAW is on it's 12th version - it's literally a rabbit hole of sickening features 😩
We need a Logic rep for this podcast. A consultant.
“Y’all don’t even use compression” - Devvon 😂😂😂😂😂
Logic should’ve got best compressors because it has a clean transparent one, 1176 black and silverface, LA-2A, SSL buss, and focusrite compressor
Studio One + Logic Stock sounds = BEST DAW EVER
FACTS!!
Man I can't wait for Devvon to really dive into Studio One I think he's gonna be insanely surprised
Cakewalk is KING, no explanation needed.
Studio One reminds me the most of Logic in most ways. My first "real" DAW was Cubase cause I found a crack lol and I hate looking at it now!!! Never really knew how to use it forreal cause I was a beginner🤣
I fely Devvon when he said, " Y'all don't even use a compression." We don't lol
Ableton is the people's DAW the simplicity encourages more music creation
logic has the best compressors, we have the versions of the dbx's, 1176's, and distressors, the ssl's and teletronix LA-2A!!!
Cubase has retrospective record functions. Cubase is a beast all around, scoring, recording, production, mixing. Plus Steinberg invented VST technology 💯 #cubasegang
I started in Reason hella young because my friends dad recorded us in it. I use Reason as a VST inside FL Studio fairly often, I feel like the way the Rack functions in reason (and the way you can hit tab and turn the rack around to rewire literally everything) would go crazy if integrated better into basically any DAW. That function fully functional in any other DAW would make a really cool combo.
Reason Rack + FL Studio would unalive every other DAW and you can bury me on this hill.
(Just don't ever make me look at the base Reason interface ever again)
Learning Reason made me realized the depths of every other DAW, Reason (if routed right) is like a studio that has all the analog gear.
I've built a super DAW inside Studio One using macros. People always talk about the piano roll inside of FL, my piano roll inside of MY Studio One can probably rival FL's. I've created functions in the piano roll that I've only seen in FL. I've also created functions in the piano roll that I haven't seen in FL or any other DAW. A lot of the stuff they've been talking about they have in their DAW, Studio One has it or you can create it.
You should make a tutorial on this
@Ikas031 Be on the look out!
Do u have a video showing how stuff like that works?
@@boimesa8190 I don't but since people are interested, I might have to make some.
@@skipnobeet8765 please could you teach me how this works? Thank you!
9:37 in and I'm crying laughing! Devvon's face when he's waiting for LJ's answer = priceless!
Great show!!
Great content fellas!
Man you all need to try Cubase. I used all the daws and used to teach them in LA. And every single thing you all mentioned and wanted is all in Cubase and done well. Only thing they don't do is the pattern style grid layout of ableton.
the only issue fl has to me is mixer routing that one of the reason i mix in studio one linking your group bus is a pain compared to other daws
Drum Programming: FL -> MIDI: Logic -> Live Inst. Vocals PT -> Master.
I’m convinced LJ can’t do one episode without mentioning Behringer 😭
Fl studio & Studio One ❤🔥
Long time fan. Newer listener to the pod. Been loving it! Can we talk about computer specs? Like what you got right now? Windows specifically. What the price be lookin like?
Give Studio One the credit it deserves. 🐐 DAW
Fl Studio has the best step sequencer , piano roll and some of the best vst’s … I think arranging in fl studio is easier as well . When I open fl , it looks fun . Those other daws feel like it’s bout to be hard work or sum .
Fl Studio + Ableton is the superdaw and if you know how to work pro tools too that’s like all you need to know fl,ableton,pro tools
Have you tried studio one?
yeah i’ve tried it dint really like it would go with ableton over studio one
I'm glad so many people are getting away from Pro Tools. I've used almost every DAW, whether it be working with other producers; or trying it out for months or years personally. The DAWs that I've liked best (after my 2006-2009 stint with Reason lol): Studio One hits so damn hard, I love it. Cakewalk Sonar has everything built in, like it's already a SSL and outboard gear in a large format studio. I never even had to use plugins with Sonar. And the tape saturation on there is wild. Reason was the only other DAW that I've known to have such a nice stock built-in SSL like UI.
But I use Logic X now days. It's just so damn easy to use. Has great stock plugins, eq's compressors, etc. And the UI is most friendly to me.
One thing for Piano Roll FL doesn't have that Ableton does is support for MPE midi
LUNA’s stock vst is Shape and it is 🔥, sounds from Spitfire so you know it’s crazy.
Superdaw for me would be Ableton’s layout and audio with Logic’s interface and stock plugins, probably throw in FL’s sequencer and piano roll.
This year is Logic Pro X’s 10 year anniversary though so we might be seeing a new version very soon 👀
Studio One + FL Step Sequencer + FL Piano Roll = 🔥🔥🔥
Hmmmmmm 📝📝📝
.my first daw was actually fl for about 5 years but since I've started watching this podcast I've migrated to ableton and I got a small group of producers i work with and I've convinced them all to switch... I'm doing God's work😅
@@Wurldz .yeah it does but because of that I decided to try it out and I actually found it to be the DAW for me... I get that when someone is watching the podcast it would be easy to go pro tools or fl studio coz let's face it LJ has a big personality and an aura that just takes over the entire room & Devvon can sell a golf club to a soccer player😅 but I relate more to Courtney coz we have very similar character traits and so when he speak about ableton I listen very attentively...
.and so overtime the interest kept building up til I finally tried it and I've never looked back since
FL Studio's piano roll is the GOAT !
hahahahahaah that one of fl can automate play and stop and devvon's reaction killed my ribs
Reaper is a Super DAW.. It can look like a function as any other DAW.. what im doing is taking every function i like from other DAWs and creating my ultra DAW.. Yall should try it. I bet you wouldn't go back to nothing else.. And im actually new to Reaper. im a Ableton / Studio one user
Reaper for sure!
Reaper Gang!!!
Logic wins the FX especially with the Multi Fx and Remix Fx🐐
bro whats that phase plugin u mentioned in one of ur podcasts that fixed a mix u did for a client that made it hit
I love this series. So many interesting takes and information. I think it would be great if you guys can have Austin Hull from MakePopMusic (Cubase User) on the podcast to talk about production OR Michael from In the Mix to talk about engineering philosophy. Great content like always Devvon
Austin is our guy we ll def have him on!
FL and Ableton actually work really well together.
Once I went to suite I never looked back 😂😂😂
I agree with leavens with stock
Studio one is a powerhouse bruh 1 of the best daws that exist
FACTS
If Studio One didn't exist, I'd settle back into Logic. I haven't fired up Pro Tools since Getting my degree. However If a client prefers, I will still use it. Thanks for the debates guys. Keep up the good work
Logic has the best Piano roll as far as editing. I used to use FL when it was fruity loops
13:06 Abletons EQ 8 is my favorite stock utility eq
dang, you guys should make that daw for sure! andn make the rosetta stock ;)
logic has a whole pedal board that's killing everybody's effects tho FL random effects is killing
I believe that it will be interesting for you guys to explore other DAWs, instead of just a debate only on the DAWs you guys use...... meaning besides the 3 you use and Logic what else each one could chose
I love adobe audition for mixing. But it's probably because I've been using it for a while now. Studio one is pretty fire
20:52 / 37:59 where is the panning option in Ableton's piano roll? i just switched and NEED to know 🙏
In FL you can press on "dump score log" to get all the midi stuff you didn't record into the piano roll! It's a crazy useful function!
All daws do that now. Ableton, pro tools, logic, studio one, FL studio
I can tell yall don't use studio one...best vocal comping ever. And all the stuff devvon brings up that is new in protools been in studio one forever lol
Awesome features on each DAW. Feature wise Reaper does all that was mentioned and some though. Fl studios. Does have the best midi sequencer in my opinion
Reaper Gang!!!
That boy fighting for FL 🤣
i will go for Logic and Ableton why i just like how fast i find my plugin in Ableton and logic is so fast when comes to records and compose got most dope instruements
I tried 2 types of combos with live as a master. Ableton + fl / Ableton + Reason. I started on fl
Studio One and Ableton Live is just unstoppable. I use them simultaneously ❤❤❤❤❤
The fact that they completely omitted Reason is crazy. Especially for stock sounds.
Also, I do believe Logic X does support surround sound mixing (5.1, 7.1, etc) natively. pro tools looks like windows 98 that ish looks so dead to use everyday lol. I agree with J, FL automation has sooooo much features its crazy
Ableton got heavy latency issues compare to other daws.
I keep things midi in Fl that I can't keep midi in other daws and I don't know why. This is same mac M1 and sample plugins.
Sometimes I feel like I have wasted time using Ableton but I just love it's workflow with audio. Can't wait to see the their next update
Ableton is the beast under the bed it’s fast workflow and I love how I can fold the piano roll to make beat creation faster also channel routing is simple for return tracks
fl got dump score log to recall midi. and last tweaked to automate pretty much anything.
Right now, I use NCH MixPad along with Pro Tools.
Alchemy is all I use for my drum samples lol
Can y'all talk about converting from Intel Mac to m1 Mac n what's the right move to make when upgrading to the m1. Would be a good discussion 👌🏾
A merge between pro tools and mixcraft…fuck it, gon sprinkle in sum Audacity 😂😂
As a Logic user, FL def has the best step sequencer.
yes Logic for sure in recording
Whats are the best Studio Heaphones. Also what headphones @Devvon got on in this vid?
Studio One is a beast....my favourite daw
I remember when an engineer first told me about lunchboxes for hardware, and the first thing I thought of was "Damn....what if you could create a lunchbox for DAWs?" lol
Waveform for its racks and file management system, and REAPER for its stability, JSFX plugins, and routing workflow.
serato studio with those stems is on the rise
Listening to this debate is funny. Pretty much everything Dev said he liked about other DAWs, comes stock in Logic 😂
Reaper UI customization, Logic Vsts and stock plugins, Protools mixer, and Ableton search engine. I would leave Logic for either Ableton if I’m not as inspired I want something easy. But if now I would dive into Reaper and make that into the God tear Daw it can be if you work with it.
I run Maschine inside Logic... To me, Super DAW 💯
Still havnt been able to get the rosetta EQ to show up in my DAW. The installer didnt give me a .dll file. I have the preset folders but not the actual plugin file
I use Cubase and FL Studio as Rewire
Waves Tune is the truth. Honestly honorable mention to Cubase for the manual non-destructive pitch correction on a Newtone level that's built in in addition to integrating Melodyne in the same DAW
Luna really sick low key. It has audio Summing
For me UAD Luna + Pro Tools. I currently use Luna exclusively because of the console features but I miss certain pro tools features
week 2 of me begging for longer episodes
Don't know what ya taking about but FL is lifetime free update 🔥 🔥 🔥
Reaper + Abelton = fire
Honestly, if there is one Thing I like about FL, that doesn't exist in Live, it is the Glide Notes. In Live you have to automate the Pitch Bend or use the Glide on Abletons Sampler. And Enabling Oversampling in Lives EQ Eight adds 16 smp Latency. On Glue Compressor 32 smp and Compressor & Multband Dynamics do not have Oversampling.
The Super DAW already exist... #LogicPro That's it, end of discussion 😎🤣😎
Cubase and Ableton
Y’all need to bring me on this show
As a producer who uses all daw except for luna i can say Fl studio do has the best piano role, Studio one is definitely a super DAW
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