When Violence Is the Answer: Unpacking Mr Inbetween
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
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The saying goes: 'violence is never the answer'. But Mr. Inbetween forces the viewer to question this idea. I know I'm about 2 years late to the party for this TV show but I've only just recently discovered it. I was blown away by the perfomances and how much they could fit into just 30 minute episodes. Definitely check Mr. Inbetween out if you haven't already.
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0:00-0:31 - Intro
0:31-1:43 - Chaos breeds order
1:43-2:22 - Is violence always wrong?
2:22-3:16 - Pain and loss
3:16-4:47 - Dark humour
4:47-6:27 - Is violence the answer? - Zábava
Violence is necessary sometimes not all ways ,but it’s the only language some people understand
I found that to be the truth, First learned that against bullies in school.
"What if I want to tell you to leave me and my beloved ones in peace but you only understand the language of the sword.
I let the blade do the talking ,so my tongue shall become iron..." Krigsgaldr by Heilung
No, it's a language the body understands when the mind ain't workin'.
When Ray gives you "that smile"..you're in trouble
I strongly suspect that Ray Shoesmith is modelled on an American hitman called Richard "the iceman" Kuklinski. He was a prolific hitman for the mob and would kill without mercy, often befriending his victims. He wouldn't tolerate disrespect and would murder many people for doing so. There are interviews on youtube with the iceman, truly chilling stuff, and the similarities between the real killer and Ray are hard to miss. Both are true psychopaths that ultimately end up hurting those they care about the most.
@trevorpom doubt it. Ray is an amalgamation of Australian criminals. If anything hes closest to chopper ried with his code of conduct when it comes to who he inflicted his violence on.
Not at all. Chopper had no compunction about hitting innocent women at all where Ray and Kuklinski would only hurt women who were part of the criminal underworld and despised those that did. Chopper was largely full of shit where Kuklinski was the real deal. Many many unsolved murders and disappearances were solved with Kuklinskis' arrest. I didn't include Ray in that sentence as he's ultimately a made up character but his character is a no nonsense character like Kuklinski.@@lukedeker4676
@@trevorpomno I have seen enough interviews with, and read about, the Iceman, to say that the two are not really that alike. Richard comes across as a truly problematic person who is not just psychologically and morally impaired but is also a bit of an insecure turd of a person on top of that. His tales of his morality and rules come across as self serving and ring hollow. Ray to be frank comes across as a good bloke baring all the murdering and general professional hard man behaviour. I have met a few professional hard men over the years and they come across more like Ray than Richard.
Guys like Richard are not people you would like to have a beer with so not really the sort of person professionals in Australia like dealing with. I once heard a former high ranking mafia member say that people like Richard were rare in professional circles and generally avoided due to their poor personality and the fact they can’t be trusted (he doubt much of what Richard said was true).
Then you would be familiar with Dr. Park Dietz and his interviews with Richard. When Ray is being interviewed and being challenged, he comes across like Richard when he was being challenged by Dr. Park. That's where I saw the similarities.
I wouldn't give either of them time of day knowing what they've done. They're both people to be avoided as they're both psychopaths and very dangerous. Rays' offsider also reminds me of Richards' "mentor" with the ice cream van who taught him about cyanide use. They're not that different really once you take away the producers' understandable efforts to make Ray likeable. They have a show to sell after all and if Ray was modelled exactly like Richard it would fail. @@gareth4045
Great video. I personally think it's one of the best shows out there. A great example of keeping everything simple and pared back. No flashbacks to a 'previous' life, no backstory. Just a fantastic example of "show me, don't tell me".
I totally agree with you, excellent story telling. Thanks for stopping by!
Arguably the best television series I have ever watched. Brilliantly written and acted.
I don't think I've ever been shocked at how good a series I had never heard of until a year ago like I was with this one. Ray is such a brilliant and relatable character, criminally underrated series.
Was capped to bits when this came out after seeing the magician in 2005/6. Was great to have Ray back
The world is full of arseholes - you know why? ‘
‘Because people let ‘em get away with it’.
Probably one of the truest lines ever uttered…
Great line. Sometimes there are potential witnesses, and you can't be confrontational.... but I agree with the philosophy. Don't let a-holes be a-holes again, without thinking twice, maybe. The police don't like people standing up for themselves anymore....
I loved Mr Inbetween. The writing, acting and directing put many blockbusters to shame. As to your question, Ray has a clear moral code that would probably make many of us envious. He's capable of violence and is willing to use it where he feels it's justified. Most of us would privately agree with his choices but we don't have the courage or skills to act on them. He owns his choices and rarely regrets his actions. The two clips you showed where Ray was crying were not related to remorse. Both followed losses of people he was attached to.
Well thought out video, thanks.
Episodes were a fair bit less than 30 minutes but each one felt like a well produced movie, so much happened.
The mark of a great show is one that you continue to think about long after it is over and each one did this in spades.
Scott Ryan should be a household name, for his writing and his acting. Let's hope he achieves the recognition he deserves.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm not a huge fan of violence myself but I'm still a firm believer of a good beat down if you have it coming. This belief keeps me grounded. I haven't been in a proper fight in like 25 years just by having a basic level of respect and humility. It really isn't that hard to be kind, assholes get what they deserve.
People nowadays have words meaning them nothing expect fun
It really is amazing how effective minding your business, leaving people alone, getting in and out of places in public and heading straight home really is. The only times I've ever experienced or have heard of shit kicking off and confrontation occuring is when people fk around and aren't where they should be doing what they should be doing, or acting up being disrespectful to others.
The greatest television program ever.
Great actor! Great story. Great script.
No doubt.
I’ve watched this series a couple of times. It’s awesome
I enjoyed the hell out of that show. I wish there were more seasons. I also love dark comedy. The whole "Quentin" conversation almost killed me it was so funny.
"Never be a doormat"....best worldly advice by our man Ray!!
I loved the series and experienced sadness and disappointment when it abruptly ended. I hope there is a sequel as the character is incredible. Excellent review!
Appreciate the love :)
creator has said this is a closed book, and there will be no expansion to the series.
Never came across any television series where the character has such a menacing smile. I will never forget that creepy smile of Ray shoesmith.
If they remake The Shining, we know who they should call.
Gandhi, perhaps the most renowned non-violence advocate, noted in his essay 'Doctrine of the Sword: "If I had to choose between violence and cowardice, I would choose violence"
Truly excellent essay here, too! Makes me think even more deeply about a genuinely brilliant and provocative show. Thanks PONDER.
Truly a great show. One of the few that I would think about days after watching an episode. Sad that it ended, but better to end too soon than too late.
A show where the insignificant moments just STICK with you. That's how you know it's a masterpiece. The therapy scenes convinced me ray was right and everybody else was wrong.
Until you realize that Ray is a sociopath that kills with about as much feeling as he would doing the dishes, and that his violence hurts those that he cares about directly or indirectly. It's easy to miss this because he is a superficially charming and likeable person. Those he loves are in constant danger because of his actions but are completely unaware of the danger his violence has put them in.
@@trevorpom oh he's not right at all he just 'convinces' you he is.
MR Inbetween is one of the best shows ever made in Australia. It's witty and violent and humane.
It's one of the best shows ever made anywhere, I'd say.
The best TV series I've watched in last 3 or 4 years, the star who wrote & directed it is an amazing talent.
One of the greatest shows I've ever watched
Violence isn't an answer to a question, in my opinion. That's to philosophical. Violence is a solution to a real world problem. Is it always the solution? No, at least it shouldn't be, but sometimes.. Yes, yes it is.
Violence is a question, and the answer tends to be "Yes".
"That smile, that damned smile" 😁
You delivered a great analysis of this show and its themes. Not a dynamic delivery, but an accurate one. Well done
I picked up on the show from bits of episodes on CZcams. Then I went hunting for it. I found seasons 1 & 2 and they were absolutely brilliant.
To my knowledge this series hasn't even been shown on UK TV and I can't understand why. Unlike the Americans we don't need an interpreter or sub-titles to understand what is being said.
I think Scott Ryan is missing a trick here. The show would go down really well and the DVDs would sell all day long. Great show, great characters and well acted
Fantastic video. Very well done. I absolutely loved this show. Saw a preview for it watching the last season of Fargo, and thinking it looked intriguing, decided to give it a go. And what a go. What a ride. I wasn't expecting the range of emotions I would go through. Massive respect for Scott Ryan. Whatever he does next, I am definitely on board
As I've said before, one of the best shows ever made. Great video....
The problem is not whether violence can be necessary or even good, but that self-serving arguments from people who are good at violence are often dishonest. Ray is an unusual character in that he can recognize that beating down his girlfriend's brother was too much, rather than merely regretting the consequences.
Bingo. He's an honest man, although deeply flawed.
This is a bloody excellent point. Thought provoking
Truly great character given a chance to challenge our perspectives
Just an absolute stormer of a show. It needs prime time telly it's that good!
The most slept on TV series in existence
Yes I agree I just wish they didn't end it I miss this show!
he did a film first called "the magician." it also follows Ray but in mocumentary format... worth a watch for sure
It's on my watchlist for sure. Thanks for sharing!
In one of the episodes I think in season 3 Ray goes to a mob bosses house where he beats up a bodyguard. When Ray walks out after speaking to the mob boss, the mob boss asks his body guard if he knew who that was. The bloke says no & the mob boss says “that’s the magician”
Possibly the most criminally underrated shows of all time...
Was the pun intended?
@@papastalin3498 Ohhh yeah. 😉
So bummed this show was seemingly dropped. It was SO good.
It was always planned to have 3 seasons
I’m not familiar with Mr. Inbetween. Really thought provoking piece. Very well presented, it made me uncomfortable. Thanks daaane. Love your work.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your comment :)
Couldn't recommend it more. Definitely check it out.
Highly recommended. So well written and acted. There is no 'fat' on any of it.
Ive watched through this series twice. It's amazing! If you haven't seen it, download it now!
Found this show on Hulu in the USA, great show. Took awhile for the seasons to come out here in the states thru FX on Hulu. Heard the show ended gonna see if there is a season i havent seen.
Great video and terrific insight. Just subscribed
best series i have watched in years,,,watched the whole series one after the other,
The unicorn Pony in the forest scence one best idea's ive seen .
so many others but that got me how he rolls both ways softy yet hard outside
I miss this show I loved how it was done.
Violence as an answer is strictly situational, and hard to predict the outcome of. and this show demonstrates that perfectly
The Australian "Breaking Bad" or "Ozark." It's just that good.
Wise man once said that true communication is possible only between equals.
Ray is simply a very clear and concise communicator.
Ray's attitude towards violence is mostly a result of the terrible abuse he experienced as a child. That doesn't mean violence is always the wrong response. Violence is required to defend yourself or to defend those who cannot defend themselves. The show expresses Ray's violence in varying circumstances. Most of the time his violence is criminal, or pathological, but not always. With experience, for the most part, Ray evolved enough to turn away from his violent lifestyle and his pathology. However, like many of us, he is also capable of backsliding a bit. :-)
Great take
The Wire is the greatest TV show of all time.
It’s closely followed by The Sopranos.
But Mr Inbetween is my favourite show of all time.
Violence is the only thing violent people understand, you cannot be neutral on a moving train, there are violent people in this world that will try to harm you, being a non-violent person just makes you a target.
This is such a horribly underrated tv show. I only heard of it by the time it was already over, I know of nobody else that watched it and I binged watch the 3 seasons. Wish it kept going.
enjoyed that mate
Cheers mate, appreciate it
I discovered this show after three freinds told me that the lead character Ray reminded them of me, ( I'im not a hit man obviously) they thought my approach to life and sense of justice were similar. This show is brilliant.
Fantastic series
"In the end ,Mr Inbetween leaves us with more quesitons than answers." No bro, the only question it leaves you with is: What should you be doing with your life?
All summarised in the line:
"Because people let 'em get away with it" 🤨😏
Well said man. Is violence the answer? Depends on the question.
Top marks.
Excellent explanation of the show!! Thanks! I have my own thoughts and feelings about it...but this really puts it into context for me....he was absolutely violent....but most of the time it was necessary....I cried and l laughed through it all...he was mesmerizing and i really miss it...❤❤❤...I think I'll have to rewatch the series again .......
Fantastic show but an even better video essay from yourself.
Good work.
you perfectly described what makes the show amazing, excellent video sir
Thank you 🙏
Violence is never the answer but it is the median .
As uncomfortable as it may be, violence is the underpinning of all society.
The state has the ability to use violence to enforce its laws on us as individuals and project violence against other states.
As a man, I know certain actions will invite violent repercussions from individuals.
Why would people be uncomfortable with the fact that life requires violence to sustain itself?
Everyone is possible of anything. ❤
It's just an option. Not always a good one, but not always a bad one either.
Such a fantastic show.
This show is awesome. It is an extension of the movie with the same character called The magician, and this referenced in the movie. Fantastic movie as well and very funny
Well done analysis. I have been getting clips of this show in my CZcams feed for awhile. Your video helps connect some dots for me and I think I will see if any of my streaming services has it or at least the movie.
One question, or maybe an idea for another video essay, how do your think Walt from Breaking Bad compares to Ray in terms of morals, ethics, and character arc?
When you initiate without just cause, it is violence. When you defend against unjust violence, it is defensive force. The two are not the same. Violence only occurs when one initiates harm against others. Like government. Government is always violence.
It’s called eye for an eye. Forgive me Lord for I have sinned. Too bad.
I want to watch this series again, so much of it I have forgotten.
Justification of violence can be relative. Imagine your young child has just been brutally and sexually damaged by someone. Most parents would feel complete rage and if given the chance seek swift and exacting justice. Does this make the parents cold blooded murderers?
Great review
Violence is when extreme physicality is perpetrated and one (or more) or the people involved are unwilling. Just becasue a person is unwilling does NOT mean they didn't have it coming. And as much as it ISN'T politically correct to say so... violence (or extreme physciality) is STILL a means of communication. Most especially when two men are involved in a discussion. I've been a bouncer (Crowd Controller) for 32 years. Have been involved in Close Personal Protection (bodyguarding to civvies) for over twenty years and have taught self defence workshops for women for over ten years. I've been on the receiving end of violence. Seen it perpetrated. And put a stop to the commiting of violent acts more times than I can recount. Ray is portrayed beautifully. He shows the contradiction that many Security professionals live.
Since the ending was open to speculation, I hope it returns
You do understand this guy won't get parole,he will die in prison.
Fascinating.
When your solution to everything is violence, then, yes, sometimes it will be the answer. Just like a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Have you noticed that everyone near and dear to Ray eventually ends up being hurt by his violence, either directly or indirectly? He's a true sociopath and while he's superficially charming and has a moral code, he'll kill with as much feeling as taking out the garbage.
Something given has no value. authority, is force. And force my friends is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.
great show
Most of the time i agree with Ray and his actions but occasionally i think he went the wrong way but even tho i would've went another direction, i can usually understand why he did what he did.
Sometimes, i wish i had the capabilities that Ray has. If probably do the same if i had those abilities.......at least in most cases. Especially when he was trying to get answers for a parent that lost a child due to kidnapping by a child molester. He definitely did the right thing when digging for answers. Plus i think he killed the man in the end, altho its left to the watchers imagination for the conclusion.
I watched the first two seasons on CZcams. But they don't offer season 3, that's disappointing, because it is really good. It is a throw back to older dark Aussie style movies like Chopper and others.
Loved this geat Ozzi show bloody awsome . want to knoe what Ray has done since.
Guess what ended me getting bullied... A New friend (Now best friend) that was alot worse and violent. And learned, me some dont understand, befor they humbled by a fist and not words.
In return got him out of alot of truble where words where better.
He was speaking 💯, he said there's so many AH because everyone does nothing , we definitely need more chin checks and fades for anyone being outta pocket ( disrespecting you) way too many people have no repercussions for their actions
If violence is not the answer, perhaps you are asking the wrong question.
Where can I watch this great series everyone has a Ray Shoesmith in them.
because people let them get away with it
Violence isnt the answer. Its a question, and the answer is yes.
Is violence the answer..well that i suppose begs the question..what is the reason for that violence..my grandfathers were young soldiers...thrown into the cauldron of the first world war..when the world was full of violence on a massive scale..millions of young men were killed there..in that insane inferno..they both survived..somehow..but damaged..i only met one..but i heard their stories..sometimes..violence on a massive scale..the story here is one mans story a fictitious one but many stories were not..a strange lost world..a story of lost men..unfortunately..Sgt King Canadian army
War is the father of all things
- heraclitus
The problem with Violence is not the Violence itself, but who do we trust with it?
The Government? The guys who made "being jewish" illegal before? The Justice system, be it the court or the cops?
When we are innocent, who can we trust they actually put any effort into finding the right place to afflict Violence? Because god knows how often we go with "good enough" or a feeling it is right. How often do we just go with whatever is closest to the correct answer when we can't find it
Same actor made a student documentary about a hit man .
I cried like a baby at the end because I thought it was real.
THE MECHANIC
🙃🏴🇦🇺
No, it's actually called The Magician!
Is this in the same fictional world as peaky blinders..? Nick Cave music aside.. It has a similar flavour
It’s not, but I can see where you’re coming from.
Name of the opening song
Don't be an asshole so Ray doesn't have to straighten you out!
1000%
One of the greatest shows I've ever seen especially showing humanity, personality, and brutal violence at the same time. FYI the guy who narrated and made this video genius and great observation!!(:😊
Simple, don't do bad shit to people and people won't do bad shit to you.
Doing what the police don't or want to do..
20 years of 'The Magician'. Go back and see the movie if you need a bit more. If not, like me you've had enough. Fuck violence, get some cool job and move on.
great TV show, put that fact aside.............but these leeches don't deserve even this...