Baden-Baden: Germany’s Most Russian City | How it has Changed Since the War in Ukraine
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- Baden-Baden is known as Germany's Russian city. From as far back as Czarist times, the spa has been popular with Russian tourists. Even writers such as Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, and Turgenev once visited the spa town in the Black Forrest. But tourists have stayed away since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But what has changed due to the war? How are Russian and Ukrainian residents dealing with the current situation? DW reporter Lukas Stege was on location and has built up a picture.
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The city so nice, they named it twice.....
It's like the New York, New York of Germany...
Baden-Baden in Baden
@@12tanuha21 Baden in Baden, im Gegensatz zu Baden im Aargau (CH) oder Baden bei Wien.
Baden Baden in Baden Wurttemberg xD Triple nice right there
Is there a Baden street?
This was a very professional presentation. I have visited Baden-Baden and was impressed and it is easy to be attractive to people. It is good to see real people (not politicians) trying to help each other in these difficult times. I know both Russians and Ukrainians and all are hurting right now. I hope this all ends soon.
yeah russians are hurt very much right now. After all they can’t pay with card online.
Ukrainians are hurt also more or less. But they can rebuild their destroyed houses, go to therapy for the traumas of war and bring back their dead relatives, right?
@@dmytrodelen You miss the subtlety of the OP's comment.
As a Baden-Baden citizen I have to admit that you did a good job in showing the different perspectives from the russian and ukarnian perspectives and also why we have so many russians in ower town.
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Great country! Great city!
Great work. Very interesting perspective. Thank you for addressing the Russian Ukranian experience in the context of the current war. It is heartwarming to see how supportive the Russian community is of the Ukranian ppl. Of course, in the end, it comes down to relationships, friendships and mutual respect. Very enlightening video. Baden-Baden is beautiful.
Thank you very much Anne. It's our mission to showcase as many perspectives as possible 🙂
@@DWTravel ´schön zynische Antwort. Jeder halbwegs akademisch gebildete Mensch weiß doch genau, dass eure "Mission" darin besteht, hier Erinnerungskultur als Waffe zu missbrauchen (Quellenkritik), um vermeintlich gute Seiten Russlands aufzuzeigen. Wie kann man in der heutigen Zeit eine derartige Reportage mit einer Perspektive, die ungefähr der von RT-Deutsch entspricht, rausbringen? Die heutigen Faschisten sind per Definition die Russen - imperialistisch, rassistisch, militaristisch, ultra-nationalistisch, homophob, heteronormatives Weltbild. Hab ihr begriffen, dass die Russen ein ganzes Volk mitsamt Sprache und Kultur ausradieren und ihr Land von der Karte tilgen wollen?
@@DWTravel Germany is the birth place of socilasm,communism,nazism,racism,everyting selfishism....
@@ChessPlayer78 Германия - родина фундаментальной философии и по настоящему основательного гуманистического и научного мышления, а еще она - исторически гравитационный центр континентальной Европы и пожалуй основная технологическая платформа западной цивилизации;
но примат вроде тебя не видит дальше помойки.
We russians dont support nazism. For what did our grandpas fight if all western supports ukraine in 2022
" depends on solidarity between Russians, Ukrainians...and Germans"
No, it depends on both of them respecting German law above all else. No impunity for either oligarchs or troublemakers alike.
True... but it is no law for "solidarity", and it would be best if none of the RU or UA talks bad about each other etc. even though there is no law against not... I don't think Germans think its nice if they see Russians and Ukrainians arguing in the streets (no violence etc., but still not nice), so they can still be lawful but irritating - maybe they meant something like that?
@@NTERDK Yes. You understand the subtlety. The second paragraph of the OP's comment is taken as read - that is normal. The reporter is talking about more subtle, everyday things, not _the law._
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I love Baden-Baden. We visited it few years ago and had a hope to visit it again... I think we walked all the streets there and around the city. The whole city is in beautiful flowers. The Hohenbaden Castle was a nice place to visit also! I hoped to take a car next time and see more places around.
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I love DW short films like that, always both so much new info & fun to watch at the same t, ausgezeichnet😍
Reminds me Karlovy Vary in Czech republic, where oligarch come to spend/laundry their money
@Mystery Rosebud I'm so grateful Russians never came to Poland to launder money (possibly cause we don't use Euro). This way Poland doesn't raise Russian 5th column.
Funnily enough, Baden-Baden and Karlovy Vary are partner cities. They were together admitted into the UNESCO‘s World Heritage Site Program.
@@mirka 🤦♀️🥱
@@hanswurst396 both were important places for European aristocracy to get together before WW1
@@mirka SURPRISE 🥳 oligarhs are puppet of west like Poland
Well done Lukas and DW Travel for this tour, its a great idea to find out how the war is effecting people and their lives in Baden-Baden when it has Russian and Ukrainian people living there.
Everyone in my work is suffering because the prices go nuts in germany. Normaly we paid 2,59€ for 500g minced meat. We're already at 4,59€... Fuel from 1,70€ to 2,20€. People just go to work to pay the fuel to go to work.
Very well informed and explain about the City of Baden-Baden...i live here and hope that this peacefully City remain.
Do you think it will be run over by russianic tanks? Don't worry, the rich ones always make an agreement. Or maybe the tsar Des_Putin dies soon, as I hope.
I adore Baden-Baden! I’ve been there a couple times for conducting lessons. Really pretty place.
Good video, thanks. In the east of Northrhein Westfalia is a town with the name Espelkamp. The russian community there is so big, that it has the nickname „Espelsibirsk“…
And most likely that's really the most Russian place in Germany. Not the new home of the rich and interesting ones, though ...
Putin may soon cut off gas even for the Russians in the NRW! Awful and pitiful man
Wohne in der Nähe, ersten Mal höhre so eine Behauptung
Londongrad is similarly a Russian hub.
Interesting! Thank you for the info 🤓
Thank you 🙏! It’s heart wrenching to see that so many are displaced, but heart warming to see the unity of the people. For we are one human race, one people! 🙏🤗♥️
4:46 Aw the little guy
BAden-Baden seems to have the exact vibe like Meran in South Tyrol. Hopefully, I will visit this city, soon.
Both cities are pretty identic, yes :-)
I live in Baden Baden and love it here!
Different Elisabeth!
Very instructive…great job 👏
Thank you! Cheers!
@@DWTravel "Die Stadt Baden-Baden muss den Russen auch dankbar sein" - BAAAAM unkommentiert einfach stehen gelassen. Hätten die Papageien Moskaus nicht besser formulieren können. Alles angeblich nur "Kultur", gar nichts politisch - wie naiv kann man sein? Zu meiner Studienzeit hätte man sowas mit 4,0 bewertet bekommen, weil der Professor keine Lust gehabt hätte, bei einer 5,0 noch ein Machwerk von fachlich so schlechten Studenten zu korrigieren. Aber Hauptsache einen Kommentar gut finden, in dem man gelobt wird!
Danke für den Bericht.
Thanks for apreciateing us, DANKE!
I lived there 15 years ago, looks exactly the same as back then
Nothing really changes here.
Very interesting video. Thank you for introducing us to Baden-Baden (which I had heard of). I would like to visit one day. The culture looks appealing.
Thank you too for allowing us to meet some Ukrainian refugees. I am pleased the children could bring their guinea pigs - very important for them.
Near where I live (London) there is a sign on a mosque saying, _Love for all, hatred for none._ 🌻
Kalinigrad: Russia's most German city.
Lol true
@John Philip really?
@John Philip There's nothing German about Petersburg.
Warum sollen Ukrainer nicht in Städte wo viele Russen leben ? Was versucht ihr damit zu sagen ?
Chia sẻ hay quá cuộc sống mỗi nơi một khác rất vui làm qurn với kênh
Very nice video 👍
Thanks for visiting!
My German ancestors came from here in the early 19th Century! Vielen Dank!♥
My Great Grandfather also.
I have ancestors from there.
Actually I believe my great great grandfather was a russian rabbi who moved there.
The editor went to a lot of trouble not to ask difficult questions. only those to which there is a positive answer.
I’ve been to Baden-Baden!
Yeahhhh
I've been to this place before Covid , beautiful city.
Love this video ❤🧡💛💚💖❣❤👍👍😍😍❤
I'm naturally struck by how much money there is in Baden-Baden. Yes, it's been a resort for a long time, but you know how it is. I'm sure we have Ukrainian refugees in the Ruhrgebiet, but it's just not as photogenic as Schwarzwald. DW Travel is not much seen in Dortmund. People who have lived there for decades take refuge from their own neighborhoods, but there is no help coming for them. No, I do not hear much Russian spoken on the street in my city these days, but there were times, oh, five years ago, when I did.
Why exactly 5 years ago?
This area (or the region it's in the rhine valley) was a spearhead of the Germanys industrial revolution back in the 19th century. The fact there is a alot of money there shouldn't be that surprising. There was always immense agricultural and formerly mineral wealth (iron mines) in this region even back in before the days of the industrial revolution.
Dankeschoen🥰 Als Badner der I'm Ausland lebt, haette ich gerne diese Sendung fuer 'ne ganze Stunde angesehn.😍
@Nastro Adhesivo It's called auto correct🙄
I live in baden baden since i born im 18 years old and it's a fantastic city
hi lukas . how are you. i am from india kerala. your new subscriber. i am very like your video . very informative me . thank you
I live there I didn't know it's so famous
I love it so much when people speak in km and cm in Euro documentaries. So nice! I’m always clueless about distances and height with American docs. I’m like, oh shoot there they go, whenever they mention the miles and inches 🥴😕😢🤣
Echt Klasse Beitrag, und sehr gut moderiert.
It's normal human psychology at play. It's the same thing happened in reverse when house of saxe coburg gotha changed its name into house of windsor.
I love that toddler doesn't bother with this interview 😅
i live there greetings from Baden-Baden
Beautiful city, I visited in 1969.
And i always thought germanys most russian city is Königsberg/Kaliningrad 😂
I don't like North Germany, I like South Germany
The Kaiser and the Tsar were both cousins who got into ww1 and ended the monarchy in Europe. I hope one day the German and Russian can live together as a family in peace rather than fighting
That's not up to the germans and russians, that's up to uncle sam.
Tbh Russian gets on well with Germany compared to other western European countries.
We could, but Russia first have to accept that their monarchy had German heritage. - If the UK have done it, Russia can do it to. 🤷♂️
@@magusl9628 No
@@are_you_f_serious does Russia deny it?
‘This Will Tear the EU Apart’: German Energy CEO Speaks Out Against Russian Gas Ban
"It's not just that this step would hit Germany hard, it would pose a huge problem for Europe," the CEO of EON, Leonhard Birnbaum, told the Handelsblatt business newspaper.
"If we think we can just secure the supply in Germany without caring for the other countries, this will tear the EU apart," he added, referring to many other European nations like the Czech Republic and Austria which rely heavily on Russian energy.
The executive speculated that Berlin would need at least three years to become energy independent from Moscow.
And if Germany had listened to Trump four years ago they would have solved the problem in the three years and still had one more in reserve.
@@dulcamarabuffo And depend on filthy and superexpensive fracking gas coming over the pond. As long as the US is still importing energy from Russia there is no reason for Germany not to do the same and take lectures from Washington.
@@maximkretsch7134 , until Germany can defend herself she better damn well accept lectures from those that ensure her security. Scholz himself has acknowledged the arrogance of Germany's geopolitical naivité. The failure of your argument is that the Americans can function without Russian imports, Germany cannot. Wachet auf!
@@dulcamarabuffo Lol, the US don't function at all without constant imports, be they from Europe, Canada, Russia or China. And Germany's defence is Germany's business. As long as the US have that obscene military budget while the country's infrastructure is rotting they should better fix their own problems first.
Our own chancellor stated the obvious. We have been naive. Germany cannot defend herself and has an obligation as a NATO country to act in common defense. You exhibit the classic Teutonic arrogance, coupled with ignorance, that has always led us down the road to perdition.
In Dortmund and many other German Cities is a bigger Russian Speaking People Community ( former Soviet Union Countries) then in whole Baden-Baden.
Yes, correct. I am from Detmold and since the 90 ties there is a large Russian community over there.
Dude go to Berlin-Charlottenburg. It has the largest Russian (and former Soviet) population in Germany
VIP is another word for Gangsters. But Baden Baden is a pretty town!
Respect to mr. Schneider!
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When I visited Baden-Baden I mostly met French people rather than Russians but I guess they came for the spa on 11 November holiday (not celebrated by the Germans; how weird :) )
Me too Strasbourg is very nearby
I'm sure that Putin believes that the Russian community in Baden-Baden is being oppressed and a referendum for the independence of the Popular Republic of Baden-Baden needs to happen under de Russian federation supervision. ;)
he is poorly educated and has a very vague knowledge of geography beyond Dresden
Hi Lucas
@Lucas Hi to you, too! 😆
Baden Baden ist ein Schoene Stadt. Bin Ich dort hin gefaheren im 2005. Es war Schoene Erninerung. 👍
@May God bless!!!
Ich hätte gedacht Städte wie Cottbus, Chemnitz oder Magdeburg wären die Russistschen Städte in DE.
Lmao I thought Caleb Maupin was presenting when I saw Lukas
Where is Gonzalo Lira?
This is vey interesting that is a large Ukrainian population now. The neighboring French state of Alsace-Lorraine when under german control back in the late 19th to early 20th century had some of it's german-french population shipped off to the Ukraine. Now both regions now share a common bond as a result even if largely unknown.
A igualdade social existe no que respeita a vida em todos os níveis de capacidade de momento; a gratuidade é o único recurso capaz de respeitar a vida em todos os níveis de capacidade de momento. Quando existe a busca por poder em que o ser humano não sabe compartilhar ou perder um pouco para que todos ganhem; existem os abusos políticos as guerras e disputas que trazem desgraças e sofrimento para as pessoas. Capitalismo e socialismo são apenas variáveis dependentes da gratuidade para efeito de igualdade social e evolução humana; essas são condições firmamentais e científicas. Eu recomendo acreditar e seguir os ensinamentos de Jesus Cristo....
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..LOVE YOU NICOLE !! .. VERBOTEN ZU VERGESSEN !!! ..💝🌹
13:31 Meine Schule 😊
I never thought Baden-Baden was the most Russian city in Germany, I would've thought that would be some East German city!
The difference is the Russians in Baden-Baden are ethnic Russians while people from East Germany only share Russian mind since they had been brainwashed for 40 years
@@simonm1447 I'm specifically referring to the fact that there's loads of russians in East Germany, on top of the fact that it was soviet. I lived in Thüringen, the Germans are very much German and couldn't care less about their soviet heritage, and there's also loads of Russians.
lukas, with this outfit you dont come into casino normaly ;-) greetings from b-b
"Middle of the Black Forest" no, geography a fail? Baden Baden is at the edge of the Black Forst as westwards you have the Rhine Valley which is very close to the French border and then goes over to the Alsace.
In Nurnberg we also have a little part of Russia in Langwasser where are most of the Russian live including my famiy
"Only wealthy people can buy a house here", yeah, but that is true for most cities.
Ok, "very wealthy people"!
When I visited Baden-Baden in summer Russians were unnoticeable, I see more of them around the Mediterranean. I practice languages so listen and recognise many different.
Places like where that Ukrainian chief engineer sank an oligarch's yacht, so we get to see how Russia's wealth is "invested" abroad.
He didn't sink it . He tried to
You can see in this video where the money is invested. The houses etc. Ok, they might not be billionaires but it's clear what it is. It's a place where upper middle class russians go after they've raped their country dry. simple.
Many Russians already came to Baden Baden after the Revolution 2017 in Russia.
What revolution was there in 2017?
@@kxenia7852 He ment 1917
The russian flag got taken down there tho..
😯😯
That's good. There should be no russian flags visible in Germany for the decades to come.
@@hello.itsme.5635 I don't see how that's a good thing. The russians should be allowed to celebrate their heritage freely in any democratic country, just like everyone else.
Meanwhile, in the UK I'm sick and tired of seeing more Ukrainian flags than british or even english flags (I live in England). And there's no Ukrainians there, they just raise the Ukrainian flags in churches and stuff, absolutely brainwashed.
So is it OK to raise a certain flag out of shear indoctrination and not out of pure heritage?
This refugees residence is the school of Jonas & Martha (Dark). Guys I've found it.
Hope to visit this place, fore healtcare the spawaters some day. No, not cambling..fore sure.!
i know Baden-Baden only from Heidi
Wasn't that actually Frankfurt?
@@DWTravel i remember this town was mentioned a lot in that cartoon. as far as I remember heidi was visiting Clara in Frankfurt but talking about missing Baden or Baden-Baden where she came from. I was a kid when I watched it therefore I am not 100% sure :) maybe you can recap places where Heidi taken place someday for us dear DW. It would be nice.
Whatever the outcome of this horrible war, I can't see Russia ever paying reparations. Hopefully Europe, USA and others will contribute
After what Joseph Stalin did to Germans in the Eastern provinces, Germans allow a Russian town in Germany? What happened to Volga Germans under Stalin? What happened to Volksdeutsch? Ukrainians are a different case.
There is no „russian town“, just many russian visitors, most people are german. The biggest german russian town is Königsberg. ;)
Maybe we should also discuss what Hitler did to Russians?
Baden-Baden literally means Bath-Barh
It means Bath in the (former) state of Baden. Just like there is a city called Bath in England.
This is funny, the video is trying to figure put the attractiveness of Baden-Baden to Russians and misses the main point: it’s a resort town with healing water sources. That’s huge for Russians, hence the attraction.
Hmm . . . More to learn. Not buying this positive Russian connection.
I thought Kaliningrad is Germany's most Russian city.
Kaliningrad is in Russia, Russia's most german city
@@magusl9628 In 2022 yes.
🤔 Umm ? Have you guys been to Lahr?!?
6:04 / 14:17
Baden Baden ist überhaupt bekannt besonders auch in der Osteuropa und gilt als eines der sehenswertesten Städte in Deutschland.
Whenever I see Russian statue or something like that, I make sure to damage it in some way
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OH Boy, most of them is still not true :D i live in Baden-Baden till 29 year´s and the things about the "russians" that Alex say´s is still not true :D You can´t here i every cafe or restaurant russian :D :D :D :D Thats not that much like in the video and we don´t feel the war ^^ i work in the tourism, there is nothing changed till the war in Ukraine :D The only point that´s 100% true, is that our town is soooooo expensive :D
Oh Gott, der Mann ist mit Pullover und Jeans im Casino und im Brenners Park Hotel. Wäre angenehm sich gemessen zu kleiden.
Trotzdem sehr informativ.
Germany has a great experience in eradicating chauvinistic imperialism in their own society. It’s a great opportunity to apply this experience in re-educating their russian residents so they become decent people. Too bad your journalist didn’t bring up the scandal at the Rizzi, a Baden-Baden restaurant where the Russian clientele successfully pressured the management to fire a Ukrainian employee for his antiwar stance on social media.
I see a few comments where this clip made them wish to visit Baden Baden. As for myself, I’d rather visit Bucha and Mariupol once Russia is defeated. Like Baden Baden, these places in Ukraine also experienced the impact of the German Russian business collaboration. Perhaps Rene can some day share his knowledge on how to go from broke to prosperous using Russian money. Reparations are coming.
you're such an expert 🙄
Completely agree with you and support your position. I was also disappointed that the journalist didn't bring up the incident at the Rizzi. I was shocked and saddened when I read that a Ukrainian man was fired for making antiwar posts on social media. There is no reason to fire someone who is exposing the truth about this terrible war. I can only hope that it was a unique and rare incident.
don't forget Baden-Baden is a cultural open city - but is is german. We like other cultures but we don't want to fight each other here in germany. please respect it.
Hi R L. Sorry you feel that our report missed something. We offer a lot of coverage on the conflict in Ukraine, which you can find here: www.dw.com/en/ukraine/t-17295382
@@minimax9452 realy?
Wait,do You Say russian emigrate to europe like third world people? I was thinking russian with his Giant country emigrate to Siberia instead of a old enemy like Germany.
This is so funny! If you want to see the most Russian city in Germany you have to got to Rastatt! That is the place those Russians go that can't afford to live in Baden Baden!
Und was hat sich geändert in New York?
Dort gibt es auch ganze Straßenzüge, wo nur Russen/Russischsprechende leben…
Streets, not cities. That's the point.
Baden Baden Baden Baden Baden Baden Baden Baden Baden Baden......
Beautiful city. It's nice to see if there are places that can stay apolitical and have both Ukrainians and Russians.
As a Belorussian American, I can tell that this conflict can be very explosive, even within the same families. But it looks like in the Russian community it became a general convention just not to speak about it, because you know it may explode if there are opposite views.
Maybe someone wants to grow the conflicts between Russian and Ukrainian, but clever people understand that they are from one brotherhood and have the same roots. It's really important and even politics of these countries could not change it. It's a tough time for both, luckily everything passes away.
There's no maybe here my friend, unfortunately it's the fact 😔 now the conflict and the hatred are coming to Europe to ruin the EU... Lets see what the future holds for us.
@@kiever It was approximately 4000 years ago, when Germanic tribes came to the Island GB. But Ukrainians have lived separately from Russia only 30 years. It's not the same, I think. People of Ukraine forgot their past. There is a saying: who forgot their past, won't have the future.
@@Nizam361 find god history book, all you say is not true
little Khazaria
Dann können wir ja Königsberg wieder nehmen ♥️
@Anna yes why not hahahaha 😂😂🤷🏼♂️
Erbitte Friedensdiplomatie! Dieser Konflikt hat das Potential zu einem Atomkrieg zu eskalieren. Danke und alles Gute.
May Russia and Germany be best friends forever 🇷🇺🤝🇩🇪❤️
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No god please no
Maybe Italian and German eeheheh
Berlin has a very large Russian presence, an historic cultural center enriched by 300000 Russisns in the 1920"s
@John Philip Yes, enrichment, in the 1920s Berlin was practically flooded by Russian emigrants who fled from the Bolcheviks. Mainly nobles, artists, entrepreneurs.
@John Philip As history proved being the most cultured and intelligent people in Europe didn't preserve the Germans from being fooled by a postcard painter and his equally qualified gang a few years later.
@John Philip smart, intelligent Germans walked into a war in which 8 million of their people perished and all ethnic German minorities in central and eastern Europe were destroyed. Very smart my friend.
never new it was russian
hey
ich dachte eher an bela voda, das ist sorbisch, wird aber von jedem russen verstanden
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