The Death Row Prisoners Suffering From Severe Mental Illness
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2024
- VICE News looks at high rates of severe mental illness among America's death row prisoners. Are we executing the "worst of the worst," or some of the country’s most vulnerable?
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Even if someone is mentally ill, if it causes them to brutally kill people, that person should never be released.
You missed the point entirely.
If anything, that’s another great reason to never release them…
@@kovy689 No one is talking about releasing anyone in the video
@@KLienne Wasn’t talking to you…
I agree with you yet in keeping a person who is mentally ill in prison for life versus the death penalty seems like a conundrum because either way tax payers will pay the price for either outcome. It makes me wonder, despite the crime committed that sentenced that person to the death penalty, does their execution cost less than housing them in prison for life? Others could question and wonder - what do tax payers get out of spending money on a person who should never be free?
Their victims are suffering from permanent death.
Everyone suffers from permanent death? why do you need to put permanent before death?
U could just use a revive spell, also what som dem were innocent
Whos victims?
The thing is …at least these prisoners kind of know when they gonna die .. where as we dnt know when our death will come .. but it defo will come defo…
@@gregorycook5305 “murder” and “death penalty”?
Mental illness is an explanation not a justification
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Exactly 💯!! All I hear is excuses!!!
No excuse to drown a child , attempted to murder two more , brutal murdering their mother. He remembers all that, I expected otherwise..Damn he should never be released! RIP victims 🕊️🕊️
Ikr this lady acting like he is a saint. All the top comments are like nah this guy deserves to be there lol.
God shows us mercy EVERYDAY.
Well he might have a mental illness, that’s could be why he did those murders a mind problem
The human brain is honestly terrifying.
And why do we care
Yes yes yes yes
@@bradygamess Speak for yourself bud, you need to change "We" to "I"
@@codyjohnson2821 Why do you care?
Are we really more than just mammals. Maybe the most disciplined, the smartest, so we are allowed to control ourselves through our intelligence, but yes we don't have full control, but we all try
Playing victim when you the perpetrator is crazy
This is fiction. Did you check if anyone there has the body parts required to play?
@@bunk95 who cares if it's fiction or not i stand by what i said😅😅
Educate yourself on mental illness
You can be in prison and be innocent. You can defend yourself and kill someone and still tried and convicted.
@@thepurplevelvet “thanks for [the story],” Jeff Tweedy.
Just started this and it already feels very inmate friendly. If you've ever been in a prison and seen the kinds of people locked up, you would absolutely know that they're in the right place. Mental illness is not an excuse for murdering anyone.
This lady is always on the inmates side
Of course it is. One look at that lady and the short hair and you know she’s a commie. 😎✌🏻
Exactly, as a former CO people like her and this idealistic mentality is why I left. She is living in a dream world
I'm constantly in Prisons. It depends on the prison. My grandmother's older brother was in prison for life for a double murder. A crime of passion. The only reason they didn't fry him was cause he took out two other blacks, so being in the south, they didn't see it as such a bad thing. He did them a favor. He definitely deserved to be in prison, but there are people there that are falsely accused and then there are some that are there for smaller nonviolent things.
I have clients that were in for attempted murder or manslaughter that now that they are out are better behaved then people who have never been in at all. I would say that for me, I need an already documented history of mental illness. Just saying it because they are no realizing the gravity of what they have done isn't quite enough for me. I would have to do more research.
It wouldnt be a very interesting show if she just had 30 second interviews where she told everyone "You're a monster, die." She plays devil's advocate because these are important topics and the discussion is just as important. Maybe there are lessons we can learn from these cases to prevent future tragedy
That Jury who kept that Monster from Walking in the Daylight again were HEROES.
So we should base our judicial system off of our emotions?
@soccerguy325 the definition of a hero is someone who has made an ethical decision despite the difficulty.
@@benjaminfranklin8412 I don't care what the definition of a hero is. What I care about is how we engage with our criminal justice system. We don't need "heroes" to dole out punishment.
Yawn.
I'm your 183rd like. Lets get this to 200 :)
Some of these inmates are EXTREMELY MANIPULATIVE.
Vice reporters are ripe for manipulating
Exactly.
...and some are EXTREMELY MENTALLY ILL.
...which is why we need to learn to tell the difference. It's essential that we understand everything we can about the link between mental disorders and violent crime.
@@clicheguevara5282 Sometimes they are both. Have you ever considered that? Then what?
@@clicheguevara5282an excuse used to justify/excuse abhorrent behavior rather than take responsibility fir one's actions.
So he’s mentally ill, but he tried to leave no witnesses? Got it !
Bunch of bullsh!t
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They only have this so called mental illness when they are in the process of committing a murder. Any other time they are sane.
To me real mental illness is when you walk out in the middle of the freeway during rush hour but these people have enough since not to do that but not enough since not to commit murders.
Well how many ppl does he have to kill before you say he has a mental illness
Knew exactly what he was doing.... miss me with the sob story....
This man who drowned his step daughter I have heard the interview of one of the children he was trying to kill .The murderer was saying to the boys he tried to kill " your mother cheated on me ,Why should I let you live ."
As someone who has a mother with schizophrenia it’s all about the medication and support they have around them. It truly makes such a big difference. When my mom was locked away it was very sad hearing the stories of people’s families who basically had given up on them. It’s like walking by a rabid animal and not even acknowledging it just letting it suffer.
Sadly a lot of people with Schizophrenia and similar disorders don't like taking their meds or don't think they need them....and then they end up in the bad situations.
I agree while having schizophrenia doesn't make you anymore violent than the next person. Not taking medication along with other factors such as substance misuse and having visual and auditory hallucinations can be a dangerous mix. There needs to be a lot more community support too for them and their families to monitor these things.
@@mysterymaverick1982 you couldn’t be more right. My mom has her house attached to the back of my grandmas and they make sure everything is okay. Plus it gives her company.
Her son is brave for speaking on camera about it
Ya
There’s a documentary about this case (I think on Amazon Prime?), and he participates in that as well
Mental illness is NOT a justifiable excuse for what he did.
Agreed! I hate that some ppl believe that’s a justifiable excuse.
Mental illness as it's portrayed being prevalent, like anxiety, ptsd, depression, and so on are a hoax.
Is anyone saying it is?
Literally nobody (Himself included) is saying that Jesus did you even watch the video ?
@@jman0022just ignore the politician defending him lmao
Bro really sitting there acting like he's the victim. Unbelievable.
The lady who did the interviews did such a good job. She's very kind, compassionate, & professional.
Do men that cut their child's heart out and kill their wives deserve "compassion" or "kindness"? I mean think of the sentence you just typed out lol, are you completely disconnected from reality ?
She did a good job, but at the same time I feel like she casts the criminals like they are the true victims. I feel sorry for people that have mental illness, but it absolutely can not ever be acceptable to use it as an excuse for killing. The people who did not get to speak at trial, and the people who did not get to speak during this VICE episode, are the victims. We don't get to hear how they suffered as they were dying, and we don't get to hear their side of the story. I was in favor of capital punishment before watching this, and after watching this, my opinion has not changed, nor will it ever.
Put yourself fully in the position of a victims family, would you really be impressed? It was uncomfortable, not great reporting and the subject was made vague - not clearly about the death penalty, methods used, or prevention of mental illness. Nearly all inmates have a history of it or some trauma, victims need compassion too. The son of the woman GG killed works to raise awareness of the signs of domestic abuse.
@@petef.4361 She probably didn't see the murder scene, the bodies or the toll on the families. I'm not in favour of corporal punishment but couldn't guarantee I wouldn't feel like taking that kind of revenge if it was my child or mother.
@@H-youtube7 Your comments are valid and very fair, and I do see the points you are making. After watching some more VICE episodes with this particular reporter, she does seem to skew to one side of the story, and she certainly could do a better job at showing all sides.
I suffer from severe mental illness. I've lost touch with reality, heard voices, experienced hallucinations... there's no excuse for murdering innocent victims. You want to SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE this? MAKE MENTAL HEALTH EDUCATION MANDATORY IN K-12 ED. Make access to EFFECTIVE mental health resources available to ALL. And if you see something/hear something that your gut says, "Whoa, that's OFF..." SAY SOMETHING.
thank you, please stay safe
We don't need mental education, we need access to mental care. Lack of access to medicine costs lives.
Very true if more people were educated on what could happen to them in the future instead of just being immature in school. I think that could help kids be more understanding of others too, very much a win win for society. If we were taught about it than someone having something happen to them could realize whats happening instead of hurting others.
@@cancerino666We need both in my opinion someone may not know to seek out care and think the way they're living is normal and not realize a better life is possible for them
Or maybe adults and parents who work with children should be educated on mental illness because that would reach a lot of possible jury members and allow people to identify early signs, though most people don’t develop it until they are grown up. So…
Notice when he chose to do it…When she filed for divorce! How convenient 🙃 He didn’t try to do it before that🙃🙃
Exactly and i watched this story on Evil Lives Here, he killed the mom and little girl out of jealousy/insecurity, he was not her bio dad and she had a close relationship with her own dad who was still very involved in her life😢
Mentally weak people are easy to break
My problem is..,...WHY THESE WOMEN ,(MANY HAVE KIDS ALREADY) IN THESE RELATIONSHIPS ALWAYS PUT THEIR KIDS IN THESE SITUATIONS.....
@@user-zr3jv6bt5j probably because they cant see the future?
@@aaa-hs3it Maybe they could do background checks.....You think 🤔🤔🤔 Maybe .......just a thought.........But,if you , yourself let people into your house that your perogative..... Stay safe
I don’t like that the protester used the words “legally lynched” when thousands INNOCENT Black Americans and Native Americans were murdered by lynch mobs. I don’t think the word lynched should be used in that way.
I agree 100%
The pastor that appeared is Jeff Hood, he has his own agenda.
i get it, but they are using it as a way to say “state sponsored murder”
@@alw_9911 you said it better.
@@alw_9911 I understand that is what they meant. innocent people have definitely been put to death by the state. I don't support the death penalty. I don't know why, but the used that protester used just didn't sit right with me for this situation. It's complicated I guess.
I live in Dallas and remember the case involving Gary Green. He deserves his death sentence in every since of the word. What he did was the most horrific thing imaginable.
drowning a child to death is beyond evil.
@@chipwilliams6236hmm
So killing doesnt bother them but getting a punishment does ? Cry me a river
Exactly
A big wide river! Such bs
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Exactly
Bro ripped out both his eyes. Now that’s crazy af. AND ATE ONE OF THEM👀😨
Nasty work
Reading this grossed me out, oml. That is HORRIFYING
Oooweee 🤦🏾♂️
Yes !! 😮 really insane that people could even do such things smh
@@v.g7279RIGHT, maybe he’s not human
G Green was given antipsychotics, allowed to leave within 4 days and couldn't afford to continue the prescription and committed his crimes within a month, also after being told he was being divorced. That probably made him more dangerous.
They can not take rejection. Black femicide happens every 4.8 hours due to inability to move on, being told no/take rejection, and domestic violence.
EVERY 1.75 HRS NOW.
I am from Scotland and I'm respectfully against the death penalty, but the one thing I do not understand is why due process takes so long.
So that an innocent person isn’t executed
@@holahovito11 naw, 20 years plus, naw... I've heard that in some prisons the inmates commit murder because the regime is less strict on death row and they know that they are still going to be alive for quite a long time.
@@holahovito11yet they've done that before. Doesn't seem to be working well.
Sweaty socks 🧦 who care what a jock thinks ffs
Appeals happen and it takes them. Also lawyers can quit or fired by their clients
As someone who knows someone who was killed by a person with mental illness I can say the system failed everyone.
Nobody wants to talk about how the health care system is beyond repair and for people with mental illness it’s basically impossible to do anything. The only people that benefit are the very few who actually respond well to the antidepressants doctors shove down our throats every day and become dependent on. There’s no such thing as getting to see a therapist that k owns what they’re doing unless you have the money to pay for a good one, otherwise the lower class/poor therapists that are offered are glorified guidance counselors
This 👆
@@Anime2077ttvlmao be honest with yourself most don't take their meds or don't give them time to work, they use drugs, and they try to self Medicate and act like doctors aren't doing anything. Most of it is on us to take better care of ourselves. Proper nutrition, sleep, etc. People are just shitty.
Same thing here in the UK.
Best statement here
The gaslighting by the criminals is crazy like they the victims
I’m so sick of them being portrayed as victims.
And liberal white women fall for it
Frr mam
Cry more.
@@aliceglado they're all still on death row where they belong bro, we're happy, you the one crying
I used to work in a unit for inmates who were criminally insane. The one thing I learned, is in these days and times, you have to have a strong thinking brain. Mental illness goes untreated in the country.
If I ever hear voices telling me to harm children I'm going straight to the police station and refusing to leave unless they get me help a doctor and a priest.
It's not an excuse.
Or the hospital.
These facilities will send you away until you actually do something illegal. The system is broken
The guy who took his eyes out did go to the hospital beforehand. They still released him from the hospital
This dude is a bad example. Theres documentaries about what he did. People always call these dudes on death row "monsters" but this guy really is. I about choked on my dinner when i saw who shes interviewing.
right, now he talking some mess
Me, too. If I remember correctly, the little girl he drowned had a disability.
My 4 1/2 yr old grandson was murdered by Darriynn Brown who sits in a Texas psychiatric hospital right now as I’m typing this. He apparently has schizophrenia but, being the victim’s family member, we haven’t seen the proof. I would like to see the proof. How many times had he been hospitalized? What treatment was he receiving? Why are we kept in the dark about it? He stabbed Cash to death and left him lying in the streets of Dallas on May 15, 2021. The nanny cam video of the initial kidnapping is all over the internet. We want answers. This guy tried to kidnap a girl just a few months prior. Why was he not in a mental institution? We need long term care facilities for the mentally ill so that some of these tragedies can be avoided. The families of the severely mentally ill need help. I have an adult son with schizo-affective disorder and it is horrible. I’ve tried everything to get him help or to have him committed to a facility but it is impossible. It can’t legally be done for longer than 72 hrs. They just give him boat loads of medication and then leave me to care for him 24/7 with no help. I can see these tragedies from both sides. The break in the system is there is no access to adequate care for the mentally ill (no legal way to have them committed long term) nor is there help for the families who are doing everything they can to care for them.
I have a daughter with the same disorder and I agree the system is broken.
I am so sorry for all of the loss, on all levels. You deserve to know this information, as it's pertinent to the case and serving justice. I also have an adult child with the same issues and the law prevents me from helping them, while the state prevents them from helping themselves. It's also happened to a life long friend with her adult child as well, who ended up serving time. While serving time her daughter was denied medication and my friend had to fight for months to have her placed in a facility that would allow her medication. The reason the crime was committed in the first place is because she wasn't taking her meds. Which is quite common. Can you afford a private investigator, or have access to law libraries? If you can't afford help I would suggest setting up a go fund me type account to hire someone. If you do, please leave the link here and I will donate. Rest in peace to your beautiful grandson.
I have schizoaffective disorder. I don’t think I’m that of a liability. I hallucinate constantly. Sounds like your son is a brat and find whatever little excuse he has for his mental illness. Good that you want him psych ward but the point is to get better
🥺 very sorry
The only real illness they got is psychopathy. And if you got no emotions you easily use that space to mimic other mental disorders. I remember this case about the hill side strangler who saw on tv while in prison a documentary about mulitple personality disorder and he tricked everybody for some time into thinking he got it. Even one well known doctor wrote a long documentation about his illness and then the murderer just said "ok sry I made it up".
ITS NOT THE TAXPAYERS JOB TO HELP THESE CRIMINALS.
I don’t think people need to feel sympathy for men who have already committed horrific crimes after not getting all the help they could have, but it’s crazy to me we have a system where men do keep doing this and the violence isn’t considered a national crisis. So many people unwilling to do anything to actually help anyone until it’s too late and they can capitalize on the violence.
Man: plucks out and eats his own eyeball. Texas: but did you eat both?
He ate one
let him live with you.
@@xreediculousx we’re not talking about who he lives with. We’re talking about whether he lives or dies.
@@donnellcorbett7077 apparently that didn’t make him mad enough..
@@tomatofaceddisgracelet him live with you
That first man doesn’t have a mental issue, he has an accountability issue
Master manipulation is not a mental illness
@captainblacktooth371where’s the ACCOUNTABILITY 👎🏾
@captainblacktooth371 nope, he's just evil and full narc, among other disorders... is what is
What are your credentials?
Did you miss the part where the psychologist literally said that you can't see the mental issue?
People acting like these people don’t deserve death are ridiculous… the first guy killed his wife and step daughter because she was divorcing him…
He had a motive, knew what he was doing and carried out the killings… this reporter tryna gain sympathy for these guys is a super Woke nut
By the time of this video, Gary Green has already been executed
Justice 🎉
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Justice. Lots of us survived torture. By a repeat offender.
@@pennyc11 I’m not gonna say he didn’t deserve it but the rest of the world still looks at us like we’re Neanderthals with our approach to capital punishment
@@mantistoboggan2599 Exactly - would never happen in Denmark or any other western country in Europe. Belarus is the only European country who still have the death penalty. First of all, death penalty is not an option - because the system would be considered no better than the criminal. Death penalty doesn't belong in a modern society. Next, people with severe mental illness who are psychotic in the moment of their crimes, should be treated for their mental illness and sentenced to lifelong treatment if serious crimes. It is possible to distinct between psychosis and manipulative behavior. Actually we are quite good at that, the US too, among other things using malingering tests. I think the worst thing in the US system is the failure not to give people proper treatment - it's a huge failure. Way too primitive for a western country.
1) Do you know right from wrong?
2) Did you know murdering that little girl was wrong?
3) Did you know murdering her mother was wrong?
4) Did you try to conceal your crime and why?
If you answered yes, you're eligible for the death penalty
You clealry didnt watch the video nor understand how mental illness works.
If someone said no to the first three questions, and then said yes to the fourth, I feel like they probably knew it was wrong but lied. People wouldn't conceal a body if they didn't consider it to be wrong, unless I guess they view it as legally wrong but not morally wrong.
Thank u
@@user-sf9gs2pg1b I agree.
Perfectly explained! 💯
I suffered from mental illness my whole life. Have i killed anyone? No. I dont feel bad for a second for these monsters
Why waste time interviewing a killer..
In the end. He needs to face the consequences of his actions. Mental illness or not. A crime is a crime.
1000%
Exactly,but most female with kids don't want to b alone
Not according to the constitution.
@WLDB well. Even if he fights for clemency. It will be denied. Because he has caused so much devastating impact on the victim and the victims children. In the end, he needs to own up to his crimes and take accountability. He is really not a victim at all. He is considered a menace to society.
How would you like it if you had a mental health issue, committed murders and now no1 has sympathy for you, think about it bro
People seem to think that being found not guilty by insanity means they walk free. This couldn’t be further from the truth. These individuals often never see daylight again. Criminally insane facilities are often worse than prison.
You know you make a good point, I think we always assume this because of the old eat poop in court to avoid jail thing.”
But we rarely get into the actual punishments.
Now are you certain these guys never get let off ? I’m not an expert on the matter
Hello! Forensic nurse here that works with NGRI’s(in my state it’s called :Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity). So, many of the people I serve have committed anywhere from very minor felonies(petty theft, A&B on family, drug related issues, a few with more serious crimes) and honestly the majority of them it was their first offense and if they just served time in jail, they may have already been released by now. Most times, if they do end up being released, they are on “conditional release status” which can last the entirety of the rest of their lives, meaning that at anytime they can be readmitted to a state hospital for as ever long as the court seems fit.
Another thing is that after you serve your full sentence in jail, you are released without papers(aka no parole). So they can freely live where they want, move to another state or country, while many NGRI’s have to ask permission to do most things.
I was lookin for this comment.
I got diagnosed with schizophrenia and I never killed or raped anybody I do not have much violent behavior in my history but I did destroy some property at my parents house and now I don't have my gun rights anymore, something that would normally be a standard right for any normal person if they chose to exercise that freedom. I also doubt I could ever get off medication without things becoming much worse for me so I have to deal with the many side effects caused by the medication while at the same time I have developed a high tolerance to the therapeutic, mentally stimulating, qualities of the medication. Also about 95 percent of schizophrenics smoke cigarettes and I doubt I could ever quit them. And just the people that I met in the mental health system all turned out to be toxic after they had already worked themselves into a entanglement with my life. Dead end friends. Some sane, normal, productive in society type people seem to understand me and that helps me but others will have nothing to do with me because of the stigma. And did I mention that my entire adult life has turned out nothing like I would've ever imagined after going through mental health but it is what it is so I gotta make the best of it. The disability checks aren't much and are a fixed income. Having a mental illness has its struggles in a variety of ways whether it leads a person to engage in inappropriate behavior or not. We used to just lock everyone up who had mental problems until we realized that doesn't work. And it's not like anyone ever did a scan of my brain, I am schizophrenic because of exhibiting bizarre behavior and from how I told my doctor I felt.
His final statement is not that of someone with an IQ of 80. He knew what he was doing
I pray for the two step sons may they find peace in knowing their mom and lil sis is in a better place 😢🙌🏾 also it’s ok to get help when needed
Mental illness may be a cause of crime, but it is never an excuse
...just don´t blame the perpetrator of the crime. blame the illness. and deal with the situation in the best way possible.
Well if itz a mental illness then thier is no excuse is there ? 😮🤦♂️
@@sublime_death_1789tgere are schizos who dont kill
@@sublime_death_1789it’s still no damn excuse, nor does it make it any better. Those innocent babies didn’t even have the chance to grow up, it’s not our job to play god. So regardless if you have a mental illness or not, if you take a life then you should lose your life!! 😢
not always sometimes it is the very reason a crime was commited but ic what your getting at
Why can't mental illness cause a person to do extremely good beyond wonderment instead of evil?
John Nash Bobby Fischer Rain Man etc
that answer comes from within, look at the nutty lady that takes care of the kids in your community. she is crazy too, it was just channeled to do good. we really over think this stuff sometimes.
Sorry for the victims 😢
As someone who deals with 3 mental health disorders, I haven’t killed anyone. There’s no excuse for that. A life for a life!💯
Agreed! 👏
It's about how the severity interacts with what you use to support yourself
Probably on your "TO DO" LIST
thank you,dovebar,,you understand..
You just haven't reached your breaking point yet.
I feel real bad for his sons that survived. How awful 😢
Awwww the poor DEATH ROW PRISONERS are "suffering"
Why don't they interview and advocate for the victims families? The victim didn't have a chance
Agreed.
Foh They’re biased a lot of them don’t even believe in the death penalty until something happens to their family and then they’re all for it🤡😆🤣😂
Because people keep excusing the killers like unaware children
@budgonstopCANYELO Their ignorant selfish narcissistic minds can't see past their own bllsht.
“After the murders…”, - “he killed everyone including the children, some survived.”.
What are we talking about here? If he’s struggling, and having mental issues we have to help him. Is there anyway to speed up his execution date?
Ohh lort 😅
Exactly
Just say you don't understand mental illness.
what happens if the person doesn't or isn't able to understand that the accused is able to understand that they are being sentenced to death did you watch the whole video this is talked about? there is also a lack of psychological services clearly in Texas and understanding about mental illness. It helps to step out of an eye for an eye mentality.
Imagine watching this whole video and still being too thick-skulled to understand the point.
As a mental health therapist i can honestly saw that the system is completely broken and often fails everyone. Until we start taking mental health seriously, meaning that mental health professionals are paid substancially better, things are not going to change. I see a lot of really great therapists leaving the field altogether simply because they cant afford to feed their family on the salary.
taking mental health seriously i translate that to pay more taxes. Whos gonna pay for that?
@@devdr8983 Well the government would obviously need to be the one to take action. Our taxes as grossly misused, take some of that money we are already paying and give therapists a fair wage for the work we do.
@@lpbbinc do you even know how big of a debt your government has???
@@lpbbinc do you know how big of a debt your government has?
@@devdr8983 Yes I do. That's why I proposed reallocating funds toward mental health - not spending more.
People are failing to see that the focus is on preventative mental illness not that the they are trying to justify the crime. We need to focus more on preventing issues like this instead of waiting till theres a problem then looking for a solution.
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This everyone is choosing to be dense rn
Imagine thinking you can “prevent” creeps.
We haven't really changed how we deal with it for 100 years. Some say bring back the 1950s mental health help not knowing any new advice
@@famousmortimer7933 there deluded evil is evil. meds and mental health propaganda aren't going to do nothing but get more people addicted to hard drugs.
I’ve never killed anyone. But when I was in school the counselor told my grandmother that I likely had ADHD and that she should take me to a doctor about it. She believed what the counselor said but OUT RIGHT refused to take me. She believed that any diagnosis would follow me for the rest of my life and become a barrier for things like jobs and schools.
Which is a shame. I’m sorry you experienced that
The same happened with me, but with depression/bipolar. My mother thought a diagnosis would be a hinderance for future prospects. It wasn't until the school forced my mom to take me to counseling after I tried hanging myself in a school bathroom(and to be honest yes, I did it for attention because I was begging for help and nobody was doing anything, so I thought if I was caught trying to kill myself it would force action)
Wow a lot of parents think this way instead of getting them the help they need
Parents are failing their children all the time. Many parents secretly hold their children in contempt. They have children for narcissistic reasons. One in 5 ppl have NPD supposedly.
Parents are willfully ignorant. They also covertly hold their children in contempt. Read “For your own good “, book by Alice Miller.
If I were on death row I'd be pulling the mental illness card as well
THIS IS WHY I WILL NOT ALLOW ANY OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS TO LIVE WITH ME AS ADULTS AND TEENS!!! 😭😭😭🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Only in America there are people that will find an excuse for those who have done the most inhumane things imaginable to people
Exactly! United stupid of America
You clearly know nobody with these severe mental issues.
After 100 years of seeing cases like this u get used to it and come up with mew advice to help that has never been used before
@@KingZealotTactics its not real thats maybe why only people in large countries are getting drugged and tricked into believing there ill and accepting the label
If he has these issues, he is too dangerous to be free
Who cares how they feel? They committed the worst crimes imaginable and gave their victims no mercy.
Mentally ill people are not always capable of thinking from a mercy perspective. Often, they are triggered and responding to their brain telling them things that are not accurate.And sometimes, emotions trigger it. Their brains dont view situations in a correct way. And some have no emotions at all. And those are the scariest
@@dianeitani8368 well if that’s their situation, they should be discarded and not amongst us.
totally normal comment from a well-adjusted, empathetic person
@@annabrewer8054 You have no empathy for the victims. You have no empathy, just sympathy. It's not the same.
Exactly.
Dont do the crime simple? They are lucky to still be alive in a country that is so weak on criminals.
if he was in an asian or middle eastern country he would of been executed.
Nah yall are slow 🤦♂️ IF SOMEONE PULLS THEIR EYEBALLS OUT AND EATS 1 , THEY ARENT MENTALLY SANE 💀
We need to revive the mental institutions we once had before the prison system was turned into a thriving business.
Mental institutions were atrocious and far more inhumane then the prisons we have today, that’s why we shut them down lol. A republican president did that too
Absolutely, privateisation of prisons is stupid. We all know it leads to cuts in staff etc. the happiest countries in the world pay almost half their wages in tax and everything is paid for, from the cradle to the grave. I live in New Zealand and we have free healthcare (except doctors visits that are free for under 5 and subsidised for others, free education up to university, free water, so it helps those who can’t put aside money for those unforeseen issues.
That would require people to have the balls to put them in there and not let them out
Our country has never had a working mental health system. What are you smoking?
We need proper institutions. Not what we had before.
This is really disgusting to the family who survived, trying to elicit empathy for a man who tortured and killed a baby girl.
did u watch the video
Jennifer Hughes-Patterson thank you for your testimony and words!
I understand he might be schizophrenic and have bipolar, but damn the way he literally stabs his wife over a dozen times and then proceeds to drown his daughter is another type of mental health. I don’t know how you can blame mental illness on that.
The one daughter has mental health issues and the other is so full of rage. Neither option is healthy. I pray they both find Peace!
The time from sentencing to the time of execution is far too long. It shouldn't be decades. It should be a year or two at most.
The Next day.
They gon get they money out of them first, its all about money
A couple of days
@teranceg5671 "they gone get they money." Naw, not really. Its actually more expensive to house & feed these killers & the only people they gon get they money from is us the tax payers.💰
@@ShaunKang69 no, its not. Do your research lol its more expensive to do what u mentioned.
Are we supposed to feel bad for them?
I believe a severly ill person doesnt believe they are sick like in my sons case he will not ask for mental health services but he lives in a world of despare & he doesn’t rationalize in reality anymore im so heartbroken
Some of the comments here are alarming, but not surprising. We don’t treat mental healthy seriously for even regular citizens who haven’t committed crimes. And getting people to care about the mental health of inmates? Good luck on that.
Honestly, your on point. I thought I was becoming crazy when I was reading these comments.
Ffs he was an evil person
We understand, dear... But we do not agree with you and we have the right to not agree. 😅
Really wild and alarming. And the ones like "...I also have ADHD and depression, and i havent killed anyone" Oh child!🙄.
The first guy, I remember seeing a documentary from the surviving sons' POV. What he did to them was horrific.
Link?
Notice how hulking big he is, some women like that, and don't survive it.
@@jeep19 So much she liked it, she divorced him less than 90 days in. You speak like a frustrated short or weak male who’s ego was hurt by ‘some women’, nothing else. What a loser, i can assure you tho, that’s not the only reason they don’t like you
I saw that documentary also. Didn’t Greene drown the 6 year old in the bathtub after stabbing the 2 boys?
This video isn't about them being held accountable, they are def doing that. And no, someone with severe mental illness should not be sentenced to death.
They just gonna roam free and possibly run into your child? There are no more state run mental asylums. It's either prison or population.
people like u r disguating
A true Christian does not support the death penalty due to the Bible verse that "He may not take another one's life but leaves it to the lord for ending one's grace" which basicly means an eye for an eye is never the way to go.
Well said.
Prison should be for rehabilitation. It should focus on mental health, trauma, and PTSD. I understand most should not be allowed back into society, but the ones who do get back out leave worse than coming in.
We have all the resources to put into making sure people who go to prison expected to be released have been mentally evaluated and treated. Seeing a psychiatrist should be part of all paroles and people who committed crimes.
Many countries have put in the proper resources for their inmates and have had amazing results due to that. And one of them was not seeing repeat offenders, bc they made mental healthy treatment a number one priority.
But for America it’s more than making mental health treatment available for inmates to make sure they leave in good health before being released into society. Our prisons are for profit. Major corporations use inmates to make their products Paying them basically in Pennies. Our prisons are modern day slavery. You can’t have any of that if you are making sure inmates are getting proper healthcare and mental healthcare.
I’m sorry for every victim of a criminal. I’m so sorry
But if we want a peaceful society we have to have empathy even for those who suffer and make bad decisions. We have to push for our prisons to make mental healthcare accessible for inmates. Not just for inmates, but everyone.
USA prisons don't want to treat inmates, not just because it would cut into their profits, but also because repeat offenders allow them to charge the taxpayers multiple times!
Absolutely agree, there is a bridge between youth hood and jail, and we have to be genuinely proactive to prevent the road there.
At the very least we must get to the root of why they ended up in jail. Every story has its past, every illness has its root
Da dar de daaaaa iam dumbb derr
"I think Christians typically support the death penalty"
This has absolutely blown my European mind.
😂😂
Your European inquisition and crusades Christian mind? I'm from south America by the way not from 'murica
@@germangru Well, I guess I was talking about recent centuries. Apologies I don't have any lived experience of inquisition era Spain.
It's so odd. They are "prolife" but also PRODEATH penalty. The contradictions are so weird. They even get upset if you tell them.
@@user-bf7zw3nt2q I don't get it either, I'm pro life and strictly against the death penalty
Two wrongs don't make a right
This made me emotional as my father has schizoaffective disorder and it just made me think about how lucky I was to have made it. But at the same time, about how there’s a difference between mental illness equaling evil/wrong doing versus just who you are as a person and knowing deep down that something is wrong and that is what prevents you from committing a terrible act. I always felt very loved by my father but it still created many difficulties and trauma to this day.
You need to wake up.. that something wrong deep down is called sin and every human being is a sinner going all the way back to Adam and Eve.. God's gave every one of us a conscience to know right from wrong. Mental illness is simply the devil doing whatever he wants to you because you aren't following God, really is simple as that. When they say they can treat mental illness, all they're doing is slapping a Band-Aid on something instead of getting at the root of the issue
He’s such a lier. No mental illness. He’s just trying to avoid death row.
The fact that we get free videos on CZcams by VICE News is truly a gift. 👍👍👍
A gift.
Am I supposed to feel bad for these people? I struggle with depression and anxiety too, but that’s no excuse to go around killing people. If you take an innocent person’s life, you have forfeited your right to live.
Depression and anxiety are a lot different to psychosis
Yes, in that people with psychosis are dangerous.
100%
I have absolutely no empathy for monsters.
I have no empathy for your kind
@@aliceglado I like your spirit, but maybe we should not let these people drag us down to their level..?
nobody asked you to have empathy. the rest of the world does not care about you, or your narcissistic "look at me" bullshit.
As a christian it made me sick when it was said that "most Christians believe in the death penalty"
What an absoloute joke!Jesus the incarnation of God is merciful
Are we supposed to feel sorry for these murderers! SMH
Never
I wonder how the mental heath of their victims and families are.. because I'm not concerned about these criminals
They don't have to be mutually exclusive. You should care about both. They're all human. They're a product of their environments. If psychiatrists say they have a severe mental illness then they need treatment for that and to have it taken into account. It isn't their fault that they have it.
@@0Linerider0forever0even if it’s not “ their fault if they have it” they’re still a danger to society and could do it to others. Not to mention their victims need justice. I think we’re opening a Pandora’s box with this false compassion. It started with closing down insane asylum’s because “they were inhumane” leaving no help for severely mentally ill people until it’s too late and now excusing the worst of crimes. What next?
@@0Linerider0forever0I bet if it were your kids you’d have a different take. This entire video seems to want to persuade people that murderers are victims because of mental illness. As of the victims who survived, should understand that and be ok with it.
If our society and our "leaders", were concerned about people with mental health issues (that they did not choose to have), and made sure they had effective treatment and guidance, there wouldn't be so many victims. It's appropriate to wonder how the survivors are doing, because they are also victims of the same broken system, and often a lack of appropriate long term mental healthcare for the survivors either. Please, be concerned and compassionate about the mental health of your fellow human beings, so this never happens again. Peace be with you!
consider that criminals are victims of their mental health. nobody chooses to be ill.
Both death row inmates have an excuse " oh I'm sick and i want to stay in prison" no, both of them murdered people including kids,andre's stepson is 100% correct,being sick is an excuse,period
14:40 This is the part that people need to understand. Prison is a business.
True and most convicted people are used by political figures and government's
Regardless of his diagnosis he should be locked somewhere forever, his actions shows he's a clear danger to society because the vast majority of people with these diagnosis aren't out here killing people.
when was that ever even said in the video they obviously wouldn't be released
I think this is why this argument is so misunderstood; so many of you people think that it literally means the person is found innocent and then released. Extremely mentally ill people who are not found culpable of a crime do not walk free, they’re put in custody of the state. They often times spend the remainder of their life in a high security mental hospital. And the state has more control over you than a prison would because you’re subject to a doctors opinion, not a release date.
There’s no chance that he will ever be released
Did you even watch the video??? That's the entire point of the video...
@@uptoCHINAtown its not tho its about people with mental illness on death row.
For someone who suffers from mental illness I can say is scary. In my case, I attempt to end my life twice. Unfortunately for these people they tried and succeed to end other people's life. My case and their case is the same. No difference.
These people shouldn't be release but receive treatment in prison, instead of death penalty.
And countries should invest in mental health issues for their citizens to avoid this cases.
Omg! That little girl’s talk she was giving was absolutely heartbreaking! I felt a pain in my torso when I understood what she was saying! It was so beautiful and so profound! I guess I can kinda understand why they would have wanted to give killer the toughest sentence that they could. It doesn’t make them right but that little demonstration helps to understand what they must have been thinking. But the man they’re getting ready to execute doesn’t seem like he’s much older or aware of what’s going on than she was!
Those rallying against the death penalty don't seem to show any empathy for the families of the victims. Like every heated social issue, with no middle ground, there's no place to make peace.
I'm the daughter of a murder victim. My brother and mom have also died. I'm against the death penalty. For one, the justice system has gotten it wrong time and time again. Innocent people have been executed and sit on death row or in prison as we speak. Until it's a perfect system 100% of the time, the death penalty shouldn't even be a discussion. It needs to be perfect, they need to never get it wrong. Even then, I don't really care for it. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind. We're telling them "You're worse than us, you murder people." And then "teaching them a lesson" by doing the same thing. Many killers look forward to the death penalty because death row inmates often get their own cells, TVs, privileges, etc. and they stay for decades. I don't want my dad's killers to die, I'd never wish their family to go through what they put me through. It's a waste.
How does being anti death penalty = no empathy for the victims? This is just my opinion, but I think they're the most empathetic people around.
A lot of people in the comments are just not comprehending what this piece is saying. No one is saying there isn't punishment for their actions. No one is saying care more about the people committing the murders. But, you can have empathy for people who suffered from severe mental illness which led them to violence AND have empathy for the victims.
Also, even more imprtantly, that we can prevent crimes like these by providing better access to psiquiatric services.
The lack of education in the comments and even the people talking in the video aren’t very educated I have empathy for the victims but the people are literally describing what someone who isn’t sane would do but say they must of been sane enough to carry it out
Amen.
Was thinking the same. This comment section is over the top draconian and hammurabic in nature. I’m originally from
The US but migrated to Europe 15 years ago and in my country there’s no death penalty and max sentence of 21 years. It’s about rehabilitation not unbridled incarceration. In some ways society here Looks at such heinous crimes as a collective failure of the society and it’s systems. Luckily we have a lot of social welfare resources for people to access before often making it to the situation of a crime that would get them into prison in the first place.
Well said
Who feels sorry for a murderer that's mental all in itself
it's not about feeling sorry for them, or excusing what they did, it's about understanding the so many reasons (sometimes severe mental illness) that may drive the person to do such horrific things. obviously, these people deserve to be punished, but there are so many layers and reasons why this occurs. if there wasn't, we wouldn't have criminals.
To sociopaths like you.
I do
if a person is acting OUTSIDE of their rational mind, and is controlled by forces that they themselves cannot control - then yeah, of course I feel sorry for them. What's so hard to understand about that?
My mother (in the UK) wrote to a man on death row for about twenty years before he was executed. Whether or not a person is or was mentally ill the system is barbaric and I know my mother was one of the only compassionate human contacts the man had in his whole life
Cruel to have him wait for 20 years.
Your mother is a creep
I’m so tired of people using this as an excuse to commit crimes.
Exactly
So what about if itz not an excuse ?
@@ketovoreking5440it doesn’t matter, if you commit a crime then you must be held accountable for your actions, if you take a innocent life, then you too should have your life taken. The only victims are in fact the innocent people whom lost their lives, so therefore regardless if your mentally ill or not, it still doesn’t give you the right to take away anyone else’s life!! So technically no, there is no excuse, if you have a mental illness then it’s your responsibility to get help!! Plain and simple 😢
@dawnr5158 itz not a one size fitz all there are people that at one point were up standing citizenz good people and then something catastrophic happenz in there life and they lose there mindz become severely mentally unwell and unstable some are failed by the system and left alone and cant think straight. Itz unfortunate in some casez that this happenz and the mentally unwell person takez a life itz not right but there is so many factorz to why they did it. I think your wrong.
People in the UK who commit such psychopathic acts are put in secure psychiatric institutions for the rest of their lives. Broadmoor is the most well known. It is a hospital staffed by prison guards. I wonder if the USA also has such facilities.
Yes but it is very difficult for someone to be found “not guilty by reason of mental insanity” you can be found to be not competent to stand trial which means you don’t understand the trial process so you can’t assist in your own defense. An example of this was Lori Vallow who was recently found guilty of killing her two children with her brother and her husband who she married after he also killed his wife and 2 weeks after both her kids were killed. She was first found not competent to stand trial. Once she was determined to be found competent, she was put on trial and she will be standing trial for other crimes in another state later on.
Being found not guilty by reason of mental insanity means you could not determine right from wrong at the time of the crime. An example of this is, Andrea Yates who was found NG but mental inanity after drowning her 5 children in an episode of post-partum psychosis. If she is found to mentally well she can be released under supervision but from my understanding she has stated she doesn’t want to be let out, she feels she should remain hospitalized. That’s the last I heard.
In 50s and 60s we had a lot more hospitals for the criminally insane but, laws that were passed basically closed these facilities down (which were not run very well at all. They had a lot of abuse and neglect which is why so many people wanted them to be shut down). The system is broken, our prison system is the new mental health facilities because we don’t have the funding to properly care for our mentally ill. I pray one day we focus on mental health services and preventing these crimes from happening in the first place. Maybe we could prevent the Gary Greens and Andre Thomas’ of the world which would mean those poor people who were the victims of these men wouldn’t be dead and the lives of their family and friends wouldn’t have been completely obliterated.
I think they do. There are people who've been found mentally incopotent. Look up Ed Gein.
Its just a very high bar here to be found that.
Another high profile case,Jeffery Dahmer, fought insanity but wasn't found insane. Dahmer literally ate his victims.
We used to until Regan began shutting down state funded mental hospitals. It's sad though because when I think of Broadmore I can't help but think of Saville and how I genuinely believe that part of the reason he went unpunished was because of the prejudice against the mentally ill in which people would rather pretend that they didn't exist so people like Saville could operate in the dark.
Not like the UK. They would send you to life in prison before they get you help. The U.S. doesn't care their people enough to get them help.
We used to have many similar facilities to broadmoor, but no longer. Some state hospitals now have forensic units, and there are still at best a handful of dedicated forensic hospitals, but they are extremely few. Sadly it’s rare that someone who should be found guilty by reason of insanity, actually is, so most people just end up in prison.
Their logic is what makes THEM so dangerous
very moving. great reporting
Inmates know how to play the system......they're there for a reason...they did things they shouldn't have
The question is why. So it doesn’t happen again. What do we learn from this tragedy killing him?
And I guess the psychiatrists are making it up too
Bro they ain’t tryna say they don’t lol… They’re just tryna highlight that things like this could be prevented if ppl took them more seriously
So how do you suggest we go about it then?
I’m sorry but there is no excuse for killing a woman and her 6 year old kid that’s just a sick twisted person don’t care what anyone sais he’s just trying to save himself
oh boo hoo...mental illness is not synonymous with being a murderer or a rapist or whatever
My step father was a paranoid schizophrenic. He was a veteran, one day when I was at school he tried to kill my mother. I knew something was off when he dropped me off at school that morning, he gave me all the keys he had. She told me that he put one bullet in the table for her and another for him, but when he pulled the trigger... it didn't go off. My mom took a cab to get me from school, and the driver graciously drove us to another town because he said that my dad would go looking at the bus station for us. When he was off his meds, his conversations didn't make sense. He saw spiders, and I've heard several conversations between him and someone I couldn't see. He would just take off walking/hitchhiking .He died in 2018 as he was walking through a construction site and was hit by a car.
This illness needs more awareness.
Oh he hit the nail on the head when he said growing up in the 70s. So many things were overlooked or just hushed when brought to light.