Clove is a BETTER duelist than Reyna

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  • čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
  • With patch 8.11 around the corner, I decided to play a ton of Reyna to get a better idea about the agent. After a lot of ideas, I came to some realizations that I didn't expect and I want to share those with you in this video.
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Komentáře • 34

  • @abrawolf
    @abrawolf Před 16 dny +50

    Funny given the name of her ult since she really IS en empress. She needs people to support her selfishness but when she gets it shes the most powerful piece on the board

  • @vivinestian
    @vivinestian Před 16 dny +19

    such a good video, this is the exact same reason why playing clove is how you wanted to feel when you play Reyna. Keep making cool videos!

  • @fyjypko4207
    @fyjypko4207 Před 18 dny +12

    I feel reyna is really good at first contact and good second entry and good for most retakes but if you try to like actually entry above anything like gold it doesnt work out well for you. And i personally play clove like reyna with smokes and you can entry more consistently just because you have the control over the smokes and you actually have smokes, when i played a lot of reyna you didnt always have smokes because not everyone likes to play smokes and not everyone even knows how to smoke properly.

    • @prohibit3252
      @prohibit3252  Před 18 dny +6

      That was exactly my experience playing Clove. Having control over your own smoke timings in ranked felt a lot better then flashing for myself when trying to hit a site. If you have a team that knows what they're doing, you can kinda take the back seat as Clove and play more of a traditional smoker if you want to. But if you do need to step up, you can be smokes while also being like a Reyna for your team.

  • @AmberSweetPea
    @AmberSweetPea Před 4 dny +4

    Reyna is my girllll!! Not all of us are toxic, I swear!!! I just came back to Valorant after a long hiatus so I don't have Clove yet, but she looks really awesome! Your vid makes me want to just give Rito the money to unlock her instead of waiting to earn it 🤣🤣🤣

  • @mostofahabibfardin7964
    @mostofahabibfardin7964 Před 18 dny +19

    Probably the best video about reyna I've seen. Your channel will be huge one day.

  • @thunderbolt_blitz
    @thunderbolt_blitz Před 16 dny +6

    How do you have less subs than me 😭
    This is professional af

  • @Ven_detta_
    @Ven_detta_ Před 10 hodinami +1

    I don't even play valorant, but I thought Reyna was a second entry, she has no smokes and her "flash" isn't good for first entry for obvious reasons, she is a duelist in the truest sense of the word, not necessarily an "entry" like how neon or Jett can just take space and break onto site with little help *required* from their team
    Edit: just got to 2:41 and you basically said this lol

  • @hypertekextinction7886
    @hypertekextinction7886 Před 15 dny +5

    I don't know what game you're playing, but Reyna is never the only duelist, I'm usually the only one that isn't a duelist.

    • @prohibit3252
      @prohibit3252  Před 15 dny +1

      Yeah, there's usually at least 2 duelists every game haha. But sometimes one of the duelists goes for showers when the rest of your team goes A short on Bind or one of the other duelists gets 1 tapped @ round start.

  • @rartem679
    @rartem679 Před 11 dny +1

    Reyna, phoenix etc is contact duelist(protect team or entry)
    Jett, raze etc is entry(jumps on site and creates new pressure points for defence)
    simple as that

  • @branclown6113
    @branclown6113 Před 16 dny +4

    saw another comment mention this, but reyna (and other agents like phoenix, iso) dont work as good entry duelists, but work well as first contacts. while i think the discussion revolving around how reyna should be played can be a bit mixed, i think reyna acts sort of as the autopilot agent where if i (an omen/harbor main) am having a rough day and i need to just shoot people, i just sort of pop reyna for a game and have at it yknow? its extremely selfish, but it feels like an agent designed to just let you thrive rather than truthfulky, contributing to the team more than not. i mean, thats why she is designed in the sub class of first contact- you're getting that first fight. the addition of clove has let those sort of players feel like they can die and still actively provide value, and i think it's something that has sort of been needed for a bit. idk this was a yap comment but reyna feels like shes really good at one thing and its to hit heads and dance around the site with your dismiss, sucking the life out of the enemy after winning a 1v3 retake you couldve only won after ulting and getting that first pick.
    other than thatholy crap the voiceover and editing were actually good, so simple yet so effective, gonna watch more vids after this fs, cant say anything else other than keep up the good work

    • @prohibit3252
      @prohibit3252  Před 16 dny +1

      100% agree. Outside of some specific things like super flashes that teams do in pro play, Reyna really is there to provide the X-factor and chaos to your team. It's hard to appreciate at first because it feels extremely selfish when you're not the player on Reyna that game but the value is there.
      I think Paper Rex is a pro team that showcases this really well with both Jinggg and something pulling off crazy clutches with Reyna.
      Also, thank you for the kind words ❤

  • @gordonho5986
    @gordonho5986 Před 16 dny +3

    Good analogy. I play reyna on and off, I find entry difficult, Raze and Jett are better at pure real entries. Reyna is more like ISO now. Clove.. is unique. I think increasing Reyna's blind range and duration, even by 0.5 sec might help, but RIOT will nv do it. Then again seeing how they are willing to buff Neon so much just to test water, they should do smth to make Reyna better at 'solo' entry without too much Team's help.
    out of topic: hope they reduce Cypher traps by one, and increase Chamber's teleport range, and cooldown. Cypher is getting so op in pro-plays and ranked games, and Chamber is like top 3 pick to bottom 3 pick now.

    • @prohibit3252
      @prohibit3252  Před 16 dny +2

      Honestly, I agree with buffing Reyna's Leer to either last a little bit longer or have a faster equip / unequip time even if it meant compensating with slight nerfs.
      Cypher Trapwires are definitely annoying. I feel like reducing it to one would kneecap him too hard but I do wish they at least increased the distance in which you can hear / see his trapwires by at least a little bit so that players can react before running into one more easily.

    • @gordonho5986
      @gordonho5986 Před 15 dny

      @prohibit3252 agreeee! Now if only RIOT would take some of our feedback. Ur suggestions are even better than mine! Seeing how they can do the faster equip/unequip with Neon in the 8.11 patch. They should do the same for Reyna too, until u mentioned, it really is pretty slow. Haha!
      Yeahh cypher trips! Reduce stun, reduce the ping-out/pinging out duration helps too. Jus do smth about it to make it less strong in game!! If u think reducing it by one is drastic, RIOT reduced jett dash and chamber teleport from 2->1 too!!! Haha so controversial

  • @aid4nski215
    @aid4nski215 Před 2 dny +3

    good storytelling structure of the video mate

  • @MindlessEcho180
    @MindlessEcho180 Před 9 dny +5

    Reyna isn’t meant to entry 🤦‍♂️

    • @prohibit3252
      @prohibit3252  Před 9 dny +2

      Yah, I always found it kinda crazy how many teammates gets tilted yelling at their Reyna to entry when they have a Jett or Raze on their team.

    • @MindlessEcho180
      @MindlessEcho180 Před 9 dny

      @@prohibit3252fr

  • @makriate
    @makriate Před 6 dny +1

    i push site as a controller more than most reyna.

  • @ranmuke
    @ranmuke Před 4 dny

    A queen's sacrifice in chess is a very hard move to pull off. Similar to Reyna(Queen) games, you don't want to lose your Reyna early because of a bad trade.

  • @cancermouse
    @cancermouse Před 15 dny +1

    woah youre so epic dude

  • @StepSisRUstuck
    @StepSisRUstuck Před 2 dny

    I insts lock reyna in casual and if someone cries because they wanted to play reyna i will go afk 😂

  • @slowmomoose8546
    @slowmomoose8546 Před 17 dny +2

    clove still viable?

    • @prohibit3252
      @prohibit3252  Před 16 dny +1

      After the patch? Clove is definitely still viable. The nerfs hurt a bit but Clove was statistically by far the best performing agent in ranked according to Riot.

  • @YolkieYolk
    @YolkieYolk Před 15 dny +7

    Just as a heads up, Clove is nonbinary, they use they/them

    • @user-kv5yh4er5p
      @user-kv5yh4er5p Před 6 dny +3

      respectfully bro i see where your coming from but i just dont understand why this matters its not a real person, i can understand u saying this for a real person but she doesnt "use" they/them pronouns shes not even real or sentient

    • @YolkieYolk
      @YolkieYolk Před 6 dny +3

      @@user-kv5yh4er5p oh yeah I get you, is not really about the character, I don't really care about the pronouns of a fictional character. But as a non-binary person, when I see people not using the correct pronouns on a fictional character, I tend to believe that the person misusing them will probably do the same to me.
      Normally I don't care about mine either, but a lot of other people do, it's just as a "if you do it to fictional characters, you'll probably do it to real people to.

    • @TheRoboticFerret
      @TheRoboticFerret Před 6 dny +2

      ​@@user-kv5yh4er5pthey are a nonbinary character. viper and killjoy for example are female characters. no one is out here using he/him for them, so why would you use she/her for clove? It simply isn't what the character is

    • @user-kv5yh4er5p
      @user-kv5yh4er5p Před 5 dny +1

      @@YolkieYolk ok that makes sense thanks for the response

    • @ulisesherrera18
      @ulisesherrera18 Před 5 dny

      Idc clove is a man