1970's EARLY HIP HOP DID NOT HAVE A WEST INDIAN/CARIBBEAN VIBE - NO DREADLOCKS NO REGGAE NO RASTAS
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- 1970 - 1985 Hip Hop was well known as a predominately African American genre of music and culture... During the Golden Era of Hip Hop there was no so called "father of Hip Hop" or "holy trinity of Hip Hop" .. All of a sudden, in the millennium the false idea that west indian caribbeans started Hip Hop began to circulate
In my opinion..your asking the wrong questions about this whole Rapping on the Mic thing...it came from jamaica, started by the late Daddy URoy in the late 60s..it was called toasting aka Rapping..no paper no pen,off the top, that's where rapping in america comes from.. Jamaica!! Cool Herc bought that idea too Nyc..as far as Rastafarians coming to Nyc..the late 70s 75,76..my pops came here to Brooklyn in 75..he was a rasta..there was also a Gang of Rastas in flatbush brooklyn around 74,75,76..Hip Hop started in all the 5 boros it was the sound waves the frequency flowing..it was just a matter of you catching that vibe..that feeling..
Ulysess Jennett you said "COOL HERC BOUGHT THAT IDEA TOO NYC"... ok show us where kool herc said that he brought toasting/rapping here to ny... show us... cuz many ppl today are trying to put words in kool herc mouth!! show us when and where kool herc said he brought toasting here...us african americans was already emceeing before kool herc...our radio deejays was emceeing back in the 1950's!! jamaican pioneers like Mr Coxanne Dodd (king of jamaican sound system) already admitted he got toasting from our radio deejays here in america!! we put Mr. Coxanne Dodds words in our latest video DEBUNK BUSTA RHYMES AND PETE ROCK @2:14:12... so, TOASTING CAME FROM OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN ANCESTORS!! Ulysses Jennett stop trying to spread false information!!
@@TheCulture..Started1971 i cant show u..but he can better than me.all im saying is..as far as bringing the set outside was from jamaica..by him growing up in jamaica..he watched an observed a dj set called king george an a guy name count machuki was toasting/rapping on the mic...thats all im saying..its not rocket science..nobody in the bronx saw Jamaica on TV in the 60s and no one in Jamaica saw the bronx..unless someone had to bring that idea..to the bronx...
@@ulysessjennett8048 as what was previously said to you, toasting was nothing more than a continuation of American jive talking.
“In the 1950s, the first Jamaican deejay, Count Machuki, conceived the idea we now refer to as toasting (or deejaying in Jamaican tradition). He came up with the idea after listening to radio jockeys in the United States talking, annoyingly, over a track they were playing. “
The so called toasting was already being done in America. Toasting was not an introduction to America and American jive led to scatting which led to jazz poetry which led to rapping. You saw this even as early as the 30s and 40s. Jamaican toasting led to dancehall. It did not lead to hip hop or rapping.
Put it like this...With out R&B..it wouldn't be no Reggae..With out Reggae..there wouldn't be no Hip Hop...case closed...To me..Hip Hop started in the 5 Boros..
@@ulysessjennett8048 stfu with that nonsense hip hop would be around just as now if reggae wasn’t introduced wtf are you talking about
I’m American with Caribbean parents who came to Brooklyn in the 80s and I’m so confused about this debate because my impression was that hip hop was created from scratching disco records or whatever. Nothing about it screamed Caribbean to me and the Caribbeans around me never mentioned any Jamaican contribution. So why are Jamaicans claiming hip hop? Where is this misinformation coming from?
I know that complex did a documentary and can’t stop won’t stop by Jeff Chang wrote a book on it spreading the misinformation.
Jamaicans are claiming Hip-Hop because of DJ Kool Herc. I had so many Jamaicans tell me that reggae and dancehall birthed Hip-Hop but it didn't. Jamaicans keep ignoring the impact of disco, funk, soul and jazz on Hip-Hop music.
Miles FM first let me say that hip hop music/culture are a sub genre/sub culture that is rooted in the blues/r&b, disco, and funk. So any a person outside of the actual original culture cannot “recreate” a subculture and then credit themselves with originality. “Breakbeats” have been used since the Blues genre but at the time they were called “dance breaks”
Dance breaks were a essential part of blues culture used in blues dances, blues halls, and blues festivals. This is where the name “break dance” stems from.
Miles FM my initial comment was directed towards the term dance breaks.
Secondly, my great grandmother was Louisiana Creole from Baton Rouge and we have never considered ourselves Caribbean or practiced Caribbean culture. Louisiana was colonized by Spain and France like many other Caribbean islands so there may be some cultural similarities but nobody claims “Caribbean” so that divide and conquer don’t work with Black Americans. Finally, American Ska/Reggae was already a genre for over 10 years before “Roscoe’s Rhythms” were combined with Jamaican Mento. www.theguardian.com/news/2002/aug/19/guardianobituaries.arts
Not just that, he was an authority at Island Records along with Chris Blackwell who produced Johnny Nash (of Houston) and Bob Marley. His bio is on Apple Music it is not a secret. Cultural theft is documented in the book “Reggae Routes the story of Jamaican music” The fact that your a “musician” means nothing here and gives no right to over insert your self into the cultures of other people where you are not welcome.
Miles FM Louisiana was colonized by Spain and France. There were Native Americans already here as well as enslaved Africans. The culture is creolized. Jazz is a creolized Louisiana creation.
As for ska/reggae the fact that it is even on the Blues scale makes it a sub genre.
Funk, Soul, and Disco lay the foundation for early Hip-Hop.
because thats the music they played,the foundation and sound of hip hop came from dj'ss which came from jamaican sound systems
@@amirabennett8162 Jamaican sound systems were influenced by African Americans
@@americasmaker furthermore, its understood
@@miles__fm I don't think you even know what the fuck Jazz music is or what it sounds like, especially not early Jazz. You are making some astronomically dumb ass statements, all of which I have already corrected elsewhere. I'm starting to think you may be a bit slow. So a and Calypso were influenced by African Americans too by the way, factually. You niggas are our children. All of you Caribbean niggas genres were influenced by African Americans.
@@miles__fm This nigga said salsa birthed Disco💀You got everything backwards, son. WE INFLUENCED YOU. OUR MUSIC WAS IMPORTED TO AND INFLUENCED YOU, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSIC HAS BEEN POPULAR WORLDWIDE EVEN IN THE 1800S DURING SLAVERY BEFORE THE US WAS A WORLD POWER. I'm starting to think you are trolling. Little brother complex must be harsh.
Jamaicans been playing the same beat for 50 years and got the nerve to say they created hip hop
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lol dat part
Hiphop does the same thing
I'm not gonna lie. Early Hip-Hop songs from the late 1970s & 1980s doesn't sound Caribbean.
They're not supposed to.
Why would it nigga
Why would it? A Jamaican took southern black American music (Funk music at the time) waited for the break in the beat.. kept looping the break so people could toast on it or jive talk on it and that became hip hop.. so yes a Jamaican started it but with Black American components.. one wouldn’t exist without the other
@@Cr1ngeK1ngs What Herc did was extend the Breaks on Funk, Soul, and R&B records none of that has anything to do with the island of Jamaica or anything from Jamaican Culture whatsoever. Herc immigrated to the USA in 1967 at 12 years old. In 1967 or earlier no one was extending Breaks in Jamaica that was simply not apart of Jamaican Culture. So Herc extending Breaks on Funk, and Soul records had ZERO to do with Jamaica that's something he came up with in the USA so Herc being Jamaican is irrelevant in the foundation of Hip Hop because he was immersed into African American Culture nothing about the foundation of Hip-Hop has anything to do with Jamaica besides Herc being born there.
@B1Chronixx y’all had no turntables and no sound systems.. that came from Jamaica.. y’all had no DJs that came from Jamaica.. those are the elements y’all are leaving out.. anybody can rap as long as u have a mouth u was probably rapping.. but the art form of a Dj breaking a beat.. two turntables and a microphone cmon.. why we still having these debates??
Herc wrote graffiti but didnt rap, scratch, b-boy and came to his parties as and represented the African American culture that was already in place. He played ZERO rock steady or Reggae in his sets. Herc had began speaking like his American school mates and played basketball and got part of his DJ name from his graffiti name. He was an Americanized DJ playing records that were already popular amongst the present culture. What he revolutionized was extending the break beat but, even with that, basically slammed the two records together as no crossfader was invented. Other than him being born in Jamaica, what he was doing had no relation to toasting. Reggaeton is a direct descendant of Jamaican dancehall music, thus the flows were dancehall spoken in Spanish. You would see that in early hip hop if they were "shown the way" by deejay toasting but you don't. What you do hear is the dozens, pigmeat, shine on the Titanic and dolemite. Respect to Daddy U Roy and King Tubbys, Duke Reid, Clement Dodd and all the 60s pioneers but that nor Kool Herc created Hip Hop
Trevor Don Right.. i agree .. beautifully said
So herc got turnt out by black Americans aka Americanized
Herc mother took him to a dance party obviously he never heard great music like this before
But Herc was a bboy. Short lived and maybe under appreciated, a bboy nonetheless. Not the founder of hiphop, there’s not one, it was a movement that took from all the trends available.
@@pvj2234 I agree
NY dudes LET this happen! I’m born and raised south side Chicago and growing up I never understood why y’all let Puerto Ricans run around and be so bold. During the crack era, y’all (NY dudes) was always big upping them, don’t get on here and say I’m lying…
@edupbeat .. you aint lying
@@TheCulture..Started1971niggas from Chicago was the same niggas in the Harlem Renaissance as the Puerto Ricans or no?... if you not Native of NYC or Bronx yall need to stfu trying to lead any conversation...Black ain't end or start within USA
@edupbeat You not lying. I'm from Buffalo on the Great Lakes side of the state, and we were separated from Puerto Ricans my whole life. I never heard a Puerto Rican say they was Black until a NYC Puerto Rican said it. Our cultures don't mesh like that. They music was always Salsa, and we always HATED IT. Reggaeton IS Garbage and was worse 20+ year's ago when I first heard it. Every song had 1 beat for the first 5 years. They were always jealous at they Clubs if a Nigga talk to a Broad who they weren't even messing with it would always end up in us CLAPPIN 1 of them outside before we murked back to the otherside of town.
Hip hop is James Brown
And James Brown and George Clinton are Black Americans.
Hellllll nooooo
@@abdiyousuf7882 hell no what? James brown inspired much of early hip hop.
@@abdiyousuf7882 Idiot!!!!Kool Herc was playin Turn up loose in his first party in 1973 and b-boys started after his moves!!!Why commenting ignorant stuff????LOL!!!
The roots, yes
He said it was all African American and Spanish. We got a problem y’all. Edit the interview, cut it off after he says ameican
Right
Spanish weren't down with us period til later on
@@denzibluesolinfinitymusicw6535tell your boy that! At 3:24 he slipped, when asked if there was any Caribbean influence when them first hip-hop jams were happening, he said nope, all Blacks and Spanish. But even that’s debatable, that just means not in his block. A lot of kids with Caribbean influence
Blended in well and have key figures with mad influence, the fact we’re even talking about it is nuts.
I can remember my father (100% Trini) hating everything about hip hop. From the fat laces, to the graffiti, breakdancing, he hated it ALL. And he wasn't the only one. Like I said I grew up with alot Trini and Jamaican kids. In fact, I remember the gang fights between the Jamaicans and black American at Andrew Jackson high school in the 80's. Now tell me I'm lying lol. My memory is good.
Max max........I agree ....West Indians esp Jamaicans weren't into Hip Hop . first Djs came from Carolina Disco Mario and Kool Dj D but started outside jams in the South Bronx's .......also Bronx's pioneers didnt play Reggae.. What confuses the history is that Jamaicans the emigrated to New York and London brought or started their Sound System and adapted to the street music that was popular .....I also feel Queens and Brooklyn dont get enough credit , and Boogie Disco music had a tremendous impact on Hip Hop.....Pete Jones and Dj Flowers are Monumental in distributing Urban Black music in the form Boogie Disco .
DJ Jazzy Jay, Pete DJ Jones, Coke La Rock, MC-Sha Rock, and Grand Wizzard Theodore are from the Carolinas.
.....Wow ...ya serious ...I never knew that !!! Some peops on here would never liked that mentioned ...but the truth reveals itself ...Many thanks Sister
. Look up U-Roy and Jamaican record toasting. Also look up Caribbean and jazz
@@brilliantefficiencies4498 u-roy's toasting was not syncopated to a beat. American rappers already did that before Jamaica had music equipment.
Pigmeat Markham was making rap music in the 60's. "Who got the number" is my jam....
here comes the judge is good too
but the Jubalaires were decades before him and they were basically rapping and singing....the rap component of hip hop was definitely in America beforeway before Kool Herc, it just wasn't called rap at the time...
Did Pigmeat Markham loop a break in a funk record and toast on it? Did he have two turntables and a mixing board with a cross fader?? Did he breakdance to that breakbeat surrounded by graffiti?? Y’all gotta stop this
@@Cr1ngeK1ngs You are literally on every Hip-Hop history video lying about Hip-Hop History you are a pathetic Culture Vulture 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You got no culture so you want to leech off AA Culture you are sad and pathetic
@@Cr1ngeK1ngs "Toast" 😂😂 Toasting is Jive Talk Jamaicans copied that from African American radio Djs like Jocko Henderson go look up Jockos rap on CZcams from 1957 that's the same exact shyt 🤣 Count Machuki is the Jamaican who brought Jive Talk to Jamaica he even said he copied African American radio DJs 😂 You Sad bro lmao
James brown too all early rap samples was mostly James brown
Yes West Indians were NOT into Hip Hop. Bambattaa is the one that inserted West Indians into this! After the popularity of Rapper Delight, Bam in 1982 ran to the media, via Fab Five Freddy who is also West Indian, and told the Press that this started with Kool Herc and that rap came from Jamaica! All this founding fathers bullshit came from Bam's lying ass in the 80's.
Jamaicans are naturally very creative and they admired Afro American culture and music .....they would hear it on the airwaves in Miami and make their own versions of what they heard and add their own little element and visa versa Rap esp was very influenced by Jamaican Sound System and Jamaican Toasting ...and even the way Jamaicans talk ...In the Late 80s many J.A and some UK Sound Systems did the Brooklyn Tri State
Rapping has been apart of Black American culture since the beginning. The term "rap" was coined by Black Americans. Have you heard of "Rappin' Black in a White World" Album by The Watts Prophets The Watts Prophets?
Marcus Garvey did not start the civil rights movement! Marcus Garvey was not from the United States so what civil rights was he fighting for idiot? lol dumb ass! Kool Herc did not start hip Hop. Hip Hop comes from a Black American DJ named DJ Hollywood! Get your facts straight idiot.
There's an R&B and Jazz influence on Reggae and Ska music. Jamaican toasting was heavily influenced by Black American radio disc jockeys but y'all don't talk about that though.
Hip hop started with Mario ....Hollywood was a slick Disco Boogie MC ........Zoe the Bull shitter
Jamaican toasting was heavily influenced by Black American radio disc jockeys and jive talks.
thank you, but a lot of them don't won't to talk about that...
Just stop it. Give credit where credit is due.
Ugggh dudes been talking jive since africa that ain’t start in the south 😂😂😂 y’all invented Mac n cheese too right?? How about neck bones?? 😂😂😂
Where is the problem in havin influences!!????Especially when u turn it into somethin new!!!
@@Cr1ngeK1ngs if you can't show me where in Africa and when in Africa jive talk started then hush your mouth son.... Grown adults are conversing here... Leave your feelings at home....
Brother’s, foundational Black American, please stop debating things that don’t need to be debated.
True B told, there would be no Hip Hop without Our Music and the condition that brought about that need for a creative change. (ie , removal of Music program from schools , and Our parents record collection, which enable our youth to find the beats in between the beats.
There are to many things that need to be discussed, but the original creator of Hip Hop is not one of them. As Brother Wille D would say,(No More Talk)!
Foundational Black Africans
Hip Hop is definitely NOT a west Indian thing. Matter of fact most West Indians hated hip hop. Facts!
See, you are doing what too many do, and that's turn this into a history class instead of how shit really was! I'm not gonna say Trinidadians didn't like rap, BUt I remember a lot of west indians in general wasn't crazy about it, they didn't think it was music, just like a lot of older black americans, but even some older black americans liked some of it, I remember west Indians straight dissing just because it was a black american thing, they only started liking it once it started getting big int he 90's. I don't remember any of the early rappers name calypso as influence, so how can the guy name influence if no one is listening to him? They were influenced by Pigmeat Markham, and black amercian radio dj's.
I remember older west indians NOT like rap music, it was the younger kids who grew up with us who liked it. I was there, and remember all of this. Even Krs said in the "south bronx" the following lines: "the dreads in Brooklyn was crazy You couldn't bring out your set with no hip hop because the pistols would go"..
please don't rewrite history.
I literally just watched a video of a Trinidadian immigrant whose family moved to the Bronx during the 70's and 80's and he states that he was not into HIP HOP. Most Caribbean people wanted nothing to do with and were not into it. You have to remember this was the height of reggae and soca coming on the scene in the 70s. The same applies to latinos. Salsa was at it's prime time. Latinos and other Caribbeans were into their own music.
Rap has nothing to do with Calypso. Rap was/is a Black American slang word for JIVE. Rapping comes from Blues musicians which comes from the African Griot tradition. We call it Rap in the States because that's why Black Americans called it. Rap was a slang word used by Black Americans used down south. That slang was used long before the 50's It was originally referred to as Rap and Rhyme music before it was re-branded as Hip Hop in the 80's.
Rap doesn't originally comes from the Bronx, it comes from the American south again from Blues musicians.
What liars like Kool Herc and Bambaatta, both Jamaicans, didn't realize is that Black Americans have rap records that go back to the 20's and 30's, we can go back with a few records from the late 1800's. This was already here in this country within the Black American community and this is what Black Americans are trying to clear up because these two Jamaicans decided to lie and fabricate this whole story about inventing this music when the music actually existed already but they didn't know that because they are not from the US. They assumed Rapper's Delight was the first recorded rap song but it wasn't. They've gotten caught in a lie.
Ruffian from BKNY with the Rusted Wayz it is absolutely true! My father is 100% Trini. I grew up in West Indian culture in NY(Queens) in the 70s 80s 90s etc. I'm 42, My father is now in his 70s. I grew up with mostly west Indian adults and their kids. The adults hated hip hop, American rap music. You trying to draw a connection to Calypso is irrelevant. I'm telling you what I know. My father didn't even allow hip hop to be played in the house period. I had to listen with my headphones in my room. Lol. All the west Indian adults I knew hated rap. There's no question.
The thing is Herc never said he created rap, it was other people who have nothing to do with hip hop who started this, and then everyone ran with it. Grandmaster flash as well. I only heard Bambatta do this west indian connection stuff.
Calypso? Griot? lol okay tell me this what part of Africa? Do you know what a griot is? People tell stories all over the world but that doesn't make them a griot. Why is that the actual griots in West Africa have not recognized Calypso coming from the Griot but the griots recognize Blues music? Do you know the Griots in West Africa made documentaries about Blues coming from the Griot tradition? lol Calypso doesn't even sound like West African griot music. Calypso sounds more like Yoruba and Igbo sounds and other sounds from the coastal area of West Africa and that's not where the Griot originates from. lol
You guys are trying to hard to write yourself in this Hip Hop shit and it didn't even come from your country it came out of the United States for a reason. lol
Count who is Jamaican in hip hop then you will see what music you listening to
Dude stfu hip pop is not for y'all. Culture vulture lame asses💀
Dolemite . blowfly .pigmeat . the last poets.and more was rappin in the 50s and 60s
Talk to 'em !
This interview aged perfectly with what's going on today! Others have literally hijacked all of our music. We need to start protecting our culture better. None of them would let us succeed trying to do their music.
All hip hop does is borrow Black American soul music!
Also Funk, Disco and Jazz
@@miles__fm , H. Rap Brown invented Emceeing, or... rapping.
It's all about influence and assimilation...Jamaican DJs IN Jamaica on sound systems in the 1950s were influenced by American radio DJs...those DJs in the early stages of the Dancehall movement mainly announced the next set of upcoming parties, in later years a movement started where by creative extension, "toasting" on instrumentals became immensely popular....Those fortunate to have migrated, brought whatever influenced them and assimilated musically in their new environment...Caribbean DJs did not invent hip hop...every Boro had their vibe...a confluence of groundbreaking social interactions birthed hip hop in the Bronx
yup dj joko henderson influnced the early toasters
Well said
I hope y'all know that in the south, all that DJing, B-boying and 7-8 elements shyt don't mean nothing here. We also know rap is almost 100 years old. We dress the way we dress, talk the way we talk because we are the people that define American culture. The homegrown east coast, west coast, mid west Blk folks are the culture. The Caribbeans were and still are influenced by us. Then they try to blend in with us and act like they are us, but we don't do that to them. So we see who are the real fathers of this style.
Of course it means something brother I am not from the south but I am not stupid.Without North Carolina New York rap wouldn't exist.Disco king mario and Pete Jones North Carolina natives.James Brown and Pigmeat "Here comes the judge" Carolina natives.See my brother you are making the same mistake I made thinking Hip hop is an East Coast thing.Debunk their lies.North Carolina people created New York rap.
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@@emillogan4464
No mistake, I mentioned all the regions, I'm only saying it belongs to us, the true Americans.
Facts especially in Nyc
@@emillogan4464 im laughing my head off use to go to the t connection i have 100 old school tapes from 1977 never heard a mc say yes yes yall im from north carolina !!!!!!
Thats why I got very annoyed by a recent article of DJ Herc taking full credit for the creation of hiphop
Did he really because I’ve been seeing videos and reading articles of him saying that other DJs were doing it before him like DJ Hollywood and he was “Americanized” in order to be accepted to DJ?
Foundational Black Americans created Rap/Hip-hop PERIOD
This is James Brown music
True, had this been the case we would have seen and heard a clear influence from the Caribbean in the early Hip Hop culture. But it doesn’t.
the Caribbean was influenced by dj joko henderson who rap and his show was broad cast to the caribbean in the late 1940s. he influenced the early toasters like u roy matche and the great sebartion
What Herc did was extend the Breaks on Funk, Soul, and R&B records none of that has anything to do with the island of Jamaica or anything from Jamaican Culture whatsoever. Herc immigrated to the USA in 1967 at 12 years old. In 1967 or earlier no one was extending Breaks in Jamaica that was simply not apart of Jamaican Culture. So Herc extending Breaks on Funk, and Soul records has ZERO to do with Jamaica that's something he got from Disco DJs in the USA so Herc being Jamaican is irrelevant in the foundation of Hip Hop because he was immersed into African American Culture nothing about the foundation of Hip-Hop has anything to do with Jamaica besides Herc being born there.
dj like terry nole a dj at club arthurs in nyc inthe 1960s and frank degrasso of the sanctuary disco nyc 1970 was extending the break beat before kool herc became a dj
Puerto Ricans were majority along with Black Americans south Bronx when HipHop was born and 100 years prior from before 1898 through Harlem Renaissance yall education is lacking
@desicastell2621 Man we have Pioneers that were there saying that Puerto Ricans were not at those early Hip hop parties in the Bronx. The first Bboy Trixe said that there were no Puerto Ricans coming to the parties. Grandmaster Flash just got on Drink Champs and said that all of the original Bboys from the Bronx were BLACK. These lies are being debunked man give it up.
@James-lu4hb There was no HipHop parties before 1971 stop yall Bshit.... before the peace treaty nobody was doing HipHop but everyone was doing their own house parties You fool....You can't delete the Puerto Rican from the Bronx especially south Bronx from 50s through 70s...you also fail to explain The Harlem Renaissance, Jazz being broadcasted to the world 50 years prior because of Black's and Puerto Ricans.....alot of Pioneers need to be educated not just yall, and for proof my father born in 1951 , Puerto Rican Casita foundation since 1934 including way before 1971 in BX....give it up... Black and Puerto Rican mothers Children in 60s and 70s fought died reproduced and created HipHop
We all didnt come from Africa! the ab original black indian was already here!
We was rapping in the juke joints in the 30s and they got records with explicit lyrics too . where you think pattie cakes comes from .
@3:15 he lets y’all know when Hip Hop started it was African American and Puerto Rican (Caribbean people who speak Spanish)
FOH african americas STARTED IT. Caribbeans followed suit like always
Hip Hop didn’t come from Jamaica. It’s documented of the pioneers of reggae Sir Dod said they got their ideas from American R and B. They use to play American music outside aka street dance.
Logically you can tell. Jamaicans didn’t have style. Look at the old sun splash and stage shows how they dressed. Beenie Man and Spice looked like a hot mess.
Bob Marley even stated he made the music for black people especially American but they weren’t into it. Bob Marley wanted to be the Jamaican version of Smokey Robinson. Look back the old picture of Bob, Peter Tosh, and Bunny Wailer.
Hispanics couldn’t even speak English and was very tribal and segregated so logically it doesn’t make sense how they claim they created hip hop 💁🏽♀️
Look 👀 at the culture now it’s still not popping like Hip Hop and reggae artist are pushing more sounding like Hip Hop. Busta Rymes is straight American which he is then start claiming he’s Jamaican.
West African descent that made hip hop when we were banging on the drums and told stories rhythmically, dancing round in middle of the camp fire with our musical instrument.
Facts this is facts
@@christinagraham2915 See Rapping can be trace back to it African roots centuries before Hip Hop excited, The Griot of West Africa delivering stories rhythmically over spare drums instrumental beats
@@donaldmccall3968 yes so this debate is kind of pointless IMO.
@@christinagraham2915 Look you gotta look into the roots of black music, we came over hear with these instructors songs like nergo spiritual work song boogie woogie country play game song Ragtime Jazz Blues Gospel R&B Jazz Fusion Rock n Roll Disco Rap Hip Hop. That we had impact on round the world that we started. Jamaican had influenced on our music
@@donaldmccall3968 yes but the common denominator is Africa
Hip-Hop DJ's were inspired by Disco DJ's.
sexyrose93 .....Exactly .....Although It started with B.boy music ....Boogie inspired ...tbh ...For me Disco boogie got the better Breaks.....Im in a Rock SoundSystem ....but I always tell the Crew to keep their eye on the Boogie Breaks ...We've put out a tribute to Disco Breaks ...once I I clear other projects I intend to do another mix ...in pay homage to Pete Jones , Flowers and Disco Mario respectively
hip hop was the antithesis of disco
@@davidcummings5984 ACTUAL FACTS
@@randee4550 I got Tons of Breaks and a good % of Them are Disco. Some of the baddest breaks came from Disco. Go ask Kool D. You can hear Disco funk Boogie beats on L Brothers or Herc Set with Dj Whiz Kid cutting some Wicked Boogie Signatures with Mcs ripping up the mic. Kool D and Mario would Murder Chics Good Times for me HercsSound System has never been rivalled. Then later Producers wanted Djs to buy their product first. These Producers and Record Execs like the Version Excursion, the remix, and the Dub mix esp in Queens and put a lot of emphasis on Base. For me, they were emulating and inspired by Lee Perry King Tubbys I Roy U Roy Prince Jazzbo the whole Reggae music scene and cutting a Dubplate mix. Black Culture influenced White Culture White music influenced black music. Americans inspired Jamaicans and Jamaicans influenced New York Music. Dub Music started In JA influenced by Psychedelic Rock. Caribbean music influenced the Queens and Brooklyn Dance scene. Queens and Brooklyn influenced London Funk Sound System Mastermind, Roxy Soul Sound Danny Casanova. That's ACTUAL FACTS.
@@davidcummings5984 I agree.
Jamaicans might not have had a hand in creating Hip-Hop, But most of the greatest Emcees to ever Rock the MIC' Have Jamaican. Parents.
And, no I'm not Jamaican.
And, oh yeah!
Let's not forget the D-Jays and Producers who have Jamaican parents.
So, even if they didn't create Hip-Hop, They created some of the world's best Dee-Jays, Emcees and Producers of Hip-Hop.
GAURANTEED!!!
Imitating black americans around them. Them having carribean parents is insignificant when they completely assimilated.
Black Americans stole from Jamaican culture a bunch of thieves @@jayjones251
@@Leggobeest7107stole what?
@StylistecS stole the foundation which was sound system culture and used your own spin on it and now have the audacity to not wanting to give credit to it's CREATORS
@@Leggobeest7107 lol exactly. They straight stole the hi-5 system and zet ting.
Bobby Robinson (Enjoy Records), Paul Winley ( Winley Records), and Joe and Sylvia Robinson (Sugar Hill Records) are the first Hip-Hop labels created by Black Americans.
Sylvia Rhone is American born Caribbean heritage
Sylvia is from the Caribbean though
@@ronskullie9380 back then not everybody claim the Caribbean heritage I know the Caribbeans in Boston Massachusetts a lot of them assimilated into the American culture so nobody knew if they were from the islands or not they would just seen as black Americans and a lot of people didn't want to segregate themselves as I'm a island person or Island we would just black Americans and you never knew.
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@@ronskullie9380 my uncle hung with the people from rapper's delight and they had some members that had Caribbean heritage but people didn't brag about it because everybody was seen as black so nobody would know you just assume everybody was straight up American
So is reggae rap and hip hop? If Africans and Jamaicans are the creators of rap and hip hop and whatever else black Americans say why are y’all not the face of it
I think its apparent that hip hop and dancehall have different beginnings and stimuli that contributed to each respective beginning but sounds extremely similar. This is called convergent evolution.
Covergent Evolution is defined as the process whereby organisms not closely related independently evolve similar traits as a result of having to adapt to similar environments or ecological niches.
The similar environment being turntables and sound systems and the ecological niche being both cultures have an disticnt expressive form of the English language. It make sense if you really think about it.
Please stop trying to take from each other but rather appreciate both.
Jamaicans were singing American made songs before they even made Reggae or dancehall. They had absolutely no influence or bearing on hip hop.
HIP HOP IS NYC USA MADE
For all y’all saying “ Jamaicans created hip hop “ he was a child when he got to the south Bronx and was raised there he said it himself hip hop was already going on when he got there and would have Never been exposed to hip hop if it wasn’t for living around Black Americans 💯
Ps I’m half Jamaican
Even Charlie Rock gives credit to DJ Hercules and African bombada but he did also mention King Mario
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Now I ain’t disagreeing wit herc taking part in the formation of hip hop bcz he defiantly did …but I know he ain’t just come here n just start mixing he got that from BA’s
Cuz if he stayed in 🇯🇲 he would’ve been a reggae singer or something hip hop wouldn’t have been apart of his life .. he even said he used to use James brown, funk , disco for the break beats Not reggae like Jamaicans be claiming 😂💯
@@user-br2rx9pb6u to be honest with you if DJ Cool Hercules stayed in Jamaica there would be no hip hop and rap today and that's bluntly put. Because like I told you he would just bringing that music that was already there and that's just how he learned about turntables to begin with cuz this with the culture was doing. Even to this day I know uncle's and all that stuff that have DJ equipment and they in the 70s. Because that was the cultural influence in Jamaica and it came up here with that. They didn't like hip hop they ain't listening to Hip Hop. Because it was just a norm to do it was just something to have. Like I said watch the Charlie rock video where he names the three real influences of Hip Hop and if it wasn't for them it would be no Hip Hop, then listen to Coke The Rock, and then listen to Melly Mel which I think I already posted the video for you
@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO true ..but he made contributions he didn’t create it alone cuz like you said it was 3 people tho, so I think hip hop would have still existed ..it might of had a different sound but the influence was already there
@@user-br2rx9pb6u that's a big if and a huge speculation because you don't even know it may have never came into fruition if it wasn't for Hercules. As a matter of fact The Big Three are all from the islands. If you watch The Grandmaster Flash video he said it's him hurt and Bam are the Pioneers that started hip hop and rap. So he knows that Hercules is in that as well as bam. If you watch the Charlie Rock interview Charlie Rock also said it was three. But he says African Bambaataa was one of them, Hercules is definitely one of them and I forgot who he said the last one was. Bombadas from the islands. So anyway you turn it man the three people they name is from the islands. And honestly if it wasn't for the DJing that started in Jamaica in the 50s with sound systems were clashing against each other I don't think it would ever happen here because that's the same things that they were doing in the seventies. So we know that y'all got dreads from us and weed smoking so Jamaica was a heavy influence and the boroughs back then. I ain't smoke weed until y'all seen us doing it. Y'all have blowouts and afros while we had dreads because we were Rastafarian. Y'all got all that from us.
Thank you Putting The Truth and History of The Creation Hip-hop by Foundational Black Americans on the Map!!!
Hip Hop Is A Culture that Encapsulates Style Freshness and Bravado .Black Spade Created Hip Hop . J.A Artist Sound System Is Taking that and Making A New Version of American Style They Masters of the Mixing Desk Esp Dub . They Abstract the Best Parts Base Brum Reverb and Effects .
The statement that shuts all this nonsense down - Jamaica, Puerto Rico, FBA....WHERE was the music and music based culture born, played, full community embraced, nourished and WHO were the PEOPLE there when all of this was occurring? The answer is FBA, all day and night. Sure, a small number of stragglers from other communities went INTO the FBA communities to partake in what the FBAs were doing there but even that statement portion alone tells that the non FBAs were leaving THEIR communities to go do what FBAs were doing. Furthermore, a couple of people are not going to go into another community and CHANGE what that community does as it's culture. It's ludicrous to state otherwise. Furthermore, the non FBAs' OWN communities would have been doing what they supposedly brought into the FBA community and they were not. FBA community alone created hip hop. Stop the hijack.
The selector(DJ) playin dubs (instrumentals) and the dj (mc) chattin over the dub is similar to what was the start of hip hop. There was a similaritie. Thats it. If THAT influencdd herc then its on herc. We also have genetic memory. There were no brazilians in the bx but capoera and breakdancin got similar moves. This debate stems from the powetmr of us as our movements rhythms and innovations remain in our bloodline
Caribbean style and features increased more and more over time with hip hop. Particularly Jamaican culture, Jamaican sound systems , bass heavy music, reggae drum patterns along with and cross over break beats. DJing and mixing, Mcing and rapping live over beats ,battles of dha and mcs called sound clash in Jamaica
Jamaican got their soind system culture from FBAs. This is documented. Why do you al persist with these lies? James Brwon and Clyde Stubblefield created the percussional break beat. There was no break beat in reggae, damn music to slow. And James Brown or Pigmeat Markham weren't rapping over live beats? GTFOH.
In early hip hop, there was no Caribbean culture. The likes of kool herc, bambataa, DJ flash, fab freddy, MC tee, kangol kid, and Dougie e fresh, they all blended in with African American culture. It was forbidden to be west Indian in hip hop as kool herc mentioned in his early interviews. Carribean culture only became prominent in hip hop during the early 90s when the likes of busta rhymes and wclef Jean brought dreadlocks rastaman vibes.
@@faraazkhan90 And even that was short lived.
This video should have way more views!
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If Jamaicans are the fathers of anything in Hip Hop than the Triplet Flow that was heavily used by Southern and Mid-West Rappers in the 90s and later on continued to be used in Trap
I wonder why that doc would say that I’m Half jamaican my mom said she never heard such a thing in school or anything about hip hop but what she did know is that ska was just american R&B music mixed with mento music early Jamaican ska artists say the same so something don’t seem right about that doc almost like elites want us to fight because that hip hop thing is not taught in Jamaica you go to Jamaica now my mom says they know that hip hop is only American music a lot big false information seems like ppl learning this “history” from unreliable online sources not books or early artists
Jamaicans trying to rewrite history
Even reggae came from blues and rnb
Because you met some Caribbean ppl who didn't like hip hop doesn't mean there were no Caribbean ppl involved in the development of hip hop. I am more than sure there were some African Americans who didn't like the music either.
Involved duh they were around and assimilated into Black American culture. Hip Hop itself tho is purely Black American culture that Caribbean immigrants gravitated to.
Hip-hop comes from black american music culture. They (black americans) don't have to like it. It still comes from their culture.
I want to correct a claim i made on here. Firstly I don't think the Black Spades give themselves enough credit . I saw early footage of gangs in the Bronx's talking over Disco beats mid 70s It was a way of celebrating the truce between rival gangs a kind of bonding. To me that is the start of hip hop the Evidence is on film that pre dates Herc and even the great Mario . King Mario took that vibe with kool D and started the Jam sessions in the Park. But for me it actually started on the streets of the Bron'x's ...The Block and the Black Spades run the Bronx's . Flowers don't count as he was extending smooth disco. Flowers was a genuine music pioneer but didn't influence the Youths. But Herc did bring something unique he played his parties in a Jamaican sound system style of booming Base and touching back tunes Coke La Rock giving dedications and extending the break part of the Tune an improvisation of version excursion which reggae sounds still do to this day. Black Spades need to Document the roots of Hip Hop.
Your question doesn't make sense, toasting came from U-Roy. Herc is from where, Jamaica, the pioneers of hip hop were West Indianans were they not, unless your trying to say that West Indians are African Americans, and because we are all one, so everyone started Hip Hop. But one thing your leaving out is Africa is where the first man is from, so that means, whatttt...we have to include white people, asians, etc. The original man, was a black man. But different cultures and environments effect creation, reason why DJ Kool Herc him being one of the founders of Hip Hop, without West Indians, there would be no Hip Hop, because you have to acknowledge who the creators were, and where they are from.
Lookup where they got the idea of toasting from. It was from listening to American djs toast on the mic. Hip hop didn’t need West Indians. It was already underway before any West Indian came. Now we acknowledge contributions but the origins of hip hop is Black American. And herc assimilated to participate.
Everybody Sekkle n cool .....Jamaicans , Afro Americans , are exceptionally talented peoples .....the Oppressive forces of White Corporate has contributed Art , Dance and music of a very high standard . Hip hop emerged from the South Bronx's ....both cultures influenced each others cultures .Jamaicans don't claim Hip hop . Bam made a false claim . It originated from Mario ....inspired by the Bronx youth .... The main point of contention is if Hip hop sound Systems were influenced by Reggae sounds in the 70s ? Mario definitely not .....but only Kool Herc and the Herculoids can answer this question ....for some he's gone quiet on the subject ....but Queens boogie n funk scene , Dub mixes , heavy base lines was definitely influenced by Dub music .....You'd have to be very bitter to deny these great base laden funk n boogie tracks were not influenced . Jamaicans have always admired and imitated Rnb .Reggae music never came from Ska or Rock Steady ....it evolved from Shuffling Blues , traditional Mento folk , and Drums from Burro burro people ....Reggae is a live session dance hall music where adults dressed formally as they copied the Harlem Jazz club scene ....and copied American disc jockies and Jazz Scat vocalists it was an ADULT music ....Reggae got their baselines from Blues but playing out of time listening to Blues heard from radio signals from U.S ships moored in Miami . Some Sound owners went to the States to pick up obscure rare Blues to kill off the rival sound . n talk about the tune this is known as burial ....which inspired Dub plate culture ...... But this is just my viewpoint , all this dissing each other only serves to increase the flames hate .
Agreed
It’s funny how now that we are finally pushing back against your tribal, undermining, sinister ways it’s “we all black!!”. Nah keep that same energy your parents kept about us Yankees. You do you and stay out of our business and we’ll do the same
FACT! Stop The Steal = Hip-Hop! #FBA #B1
I never once said Jamaican Sound System make the best Live sessions ....I said they made a significant contribution ....and they very good at what they do ....I like New York just as much ....so dont get it twisted ...and no im not a rap fan ...I l listen to mainly real Hip Hop ....Just Ice does a much better pirating of UK style than Twister ( I forgot Jamalski) lol
Ok, it's a myth, but why so much hate towards Jamaicans?
Don't you like ska & reggae?
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What about those ✊🏼 you forgot this emoji
Tariq Nasheed wasn’t around when hip hop was created
You gotta involve Daddy U-Roy in the conversation when it comes to Jamaican toasting influencing creating hip hop rapping or MCing whatever you called it at the time.
No, you really don't...unless you want to bring up those radio DJs who influenced the jamaican toasters, who we never heard.
@@Meta4ce ok, understood
@@miles__fm You guys seem like culture thieves. You know how many genres of music black americans have thats popular worldwide? You all are sloppy clones of us.
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@@miles__fm Rock, Jazz, Beatboxing, Blues, R&B,Pop,Soul, Neo Soul,Disco, House, RAP, Doo Wop, Funk, and even Country is derived from African American artist and im sure im still missing a few. Your Dj's were inspired by our Dj's dating back in the 50's and its on record that this was said by them. You guys arent being honest and this is the reason why African Americans stop including other foreign blacks and keep them at a distance.
god bless DJ Phase ,
he tellin it like it is, makes perfect sense 2 me now how these cats could go to hollyweird & become butt bandits soo easy😂
New York is heavily Caribbean with Jamaica being the most influential. New York is not the South......why wasn’t hip hop created in Atlanta?😊
New york wasn't heavily caribbean influenced in the 60's 70's or 80's. Caribbeans weren't even allowed to migrate here like that until after the immigration act and caribbean population didn't expand to the numbers they are now until the early 2000's and that was from immigration.
Rapping and breaking comes from the south.
The break beats in the 70s were Funk, Soul and Disco, no Caribbean music tho. NY rap actually fell off because of the immigrant invasion and the Black Americans down south took over. Why haven't Caribbean Americans created anything else since? Black Americans have.
Why wasn't it created in Jamaica or Puerto Rico?????????
@@chinablack9790 They had been doing that type of music since the 40's.
@driversseat1707 Black Americans in the States have , but THERE WAS NO HIP HOP IN JAMAICA OR PUERTO RICO IN NO 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s!! NO HIP HOP DJING, BREAKDANCING, RAPPING, ETC.... STOP THE BULLSHIT!!!!
I like the AC/DC lyric "the white man had the schmaltz, the black man had the blues." Either way black folks pioneered music. Every subgenre comes from one direct lineage much like every human: AFRIKA
The Question you need to ask is did Hip Hop take on the Jamaican Sound system/Sound clash culture, with Mc's and Dj's battling, not if anybody saw any Dreads or people cooking up Jerk chicken in the bronx.
Or the question that needs to be asked is when did this soundclash culture develop?
Also, if the soundclash culture developed BEFORE hip hop, HOW did it influence hip hop if both cultures didn't interact? You CAN'T influence someone if they aren't around you. Kool Herc said himself he didn't interact with jamaican sound systems, his sound system was AMERICAN influenced, and he couldn't play reggae, he would just slip it in when he could. So, How can you influence them if they weren't into your culture?
HUMAN. BEING what Jamaicans seems to be purposely leaving out of this conversation is that you got the concept of the rhyming DJ from AMERICAN DJs. Jamaican, Cox actually lived in the States and got the idea of outdoor parties that he saw in the American south and brought it to Jamaica! Cox is the one to encourage DJ Count Matchuki to mimic American Rhyming DJs. Matchuki admitted in BEAT magazine that he was influenced by American rhyming DJs. FACTS!
This started in the States first NOT in Jamaica. Jamaicans did not invent mobile DJ this is all lies! Kool Herc nor Bamabatta were fucking DJs when they came to this country! They learned how to DJ from Black American DJs. Hence why they played Black American music!
Kool Herc admitted he was too young to go to any parties in Jamaica. The dude came here to the States in 1967 which means he was only 11 or 12. He wasn't a fucking DJ when he got here! Hip Hop has nothing to do with Jamaica at all. Bambaatta, being that he was Jamaica inserted Jamaica into the mix and fabricated all these lies that have been spread for 30 plus years. Bamabaataa is the one he lies and said rapping evolved out of Jamaican toasting which is a FUCKING lie!
Jamaica didn't even have much of a music scene until the 1960s. When they first opened up the first music studio in Jamaica in 1959, the people holding auditions said Jamaicans mostly auditioned doing christian music and didn't even know what a note was. smh
This sound culture an all this shit didn't even developed in the late 70's and 80's in Jamaica! I read an article from a white women talking about dancehall and she stated when she traveled to Jamaica in the 80's there was no such thing as dancehall music nor was any dancehall music played on the radio stations in Jamaica. Most Jamaicans on the island didn't even like dancehall and didn't get into until later on. Again 70's and 80's was all about the reggae! There has been too much lying going on and this shit needs to be stopped.
Thats pure Bullshit . When anyone talks about SoundSystem ...J.A Immediately springs to mind ..Ya just quoting from my white breddrin David Toop ...but my Dad used to go to dance and he used to tell me the battles were fierce ...who could dropped the best RnB tunes......SoundSystem Battle culture originated in Kingston the Jamaica Cocksone Downbeat ( Wicked name !! ) vs V Sky Rocket 50s !!!!!!!!!!! Jamaicans loved the RnB sound would mimic Jive talkers like Cab Calloway and talk over Shuffling Blues.....Reggae dance hall was BIGMAN music ....Early Hip Hop was KIDS music.....Sound System peaked in the Early 90s Stone Love , King Jammys , Metro Media ...Yard Mcs were......vicious ....the CLOSEST sound to Reggae Sound System is not Reggae music ....the closest Sound was live Session Hip Hop , Breakbeats and mcs ......Now why is that ??????
The reason is because of the equipment being used, it has nothing to do with being influenced by Jamaican soundsystem culture!
If you have equipment, and just play music, someone else will be able to do the same thing, so you need to battle to make yourself seem the best, and get the crowd to go to your party, and get PAID! The difference between Jazz band battles, and dj battles, is the band battles are covering their own shit or with their own styles. If you are a dj, you have no choice but to see who can battle about who has the loudest system, who plays the best songs, and because they use a microphone, who can say the best stuff. This should be common sense, but people overthink shit because they want some sort of praise.
Listen, I was a dj, and still am about the music, so I can tell you unless you are really creative what will set you apart from others is the equipment you use, and your choice of music. Djing was not some special thing, except for dj's who knew how to blend records, and do scratching, everything else a baby could do. This is why only the best are talked about to this day. Disco dj's started the blending thing, hip hop took it further with blending acappellas. Hip hop dj's created turntabalism, and created a big money maker with all the equipment dedicated to scratching, and using the turntables as instruments.
This is why in my mind, saying they got the idea from jamaican soudsystem culture is ridiculous because why would they get simple ideas of talking on the mic, and battling someone, from them yet Jamaican soundsystem culture is STILL just doing that, while hip hop went way past that in the mid 70's-early 80's? Jamaican dj's still dj like they did when they only had one turntable, that is why they needed the dj to talk on the mic as the music is being selected, which is why he is called the selector! hip hop dj's only needed to do that to bring the spotlight back on him, and not the music, just like disco dj's. This is why rapping is more then toasting for us, we need something that can go with the flow of the record while allowing the spotlight to be on us, so the people can keep dancing!
FROM THE DJ COFFIN, TO USING TWO TURNTABLES, TO USING MIXERS, TO RAPPING WITH A CERTAIN FLOW, THE PARTY BEING ALL ABOUT DANCING WITH CERTAIN DANCE MOVES, , THE WAY OF TALKING, THE STYLE OF DRESS, AND PROBABLY MORE, WE CAN SEE HIP HOP CAME OUT OF DISCO DJ CULTURE/ NYC STREET CULTURE, NOT JAMAICAN SOUNDSYSTEM CULTURE!
Ideas Is a Back n forth thing ....But if they the kids of The Bronx' s or those in Kingston J.A never heard each others sound then its comparative Evolution .....Both Cities music developed in similar ways ......Sound System came from J.A ......and Jive Talking The U.S
What is this, herc created the idea of break beats a Jamaican, grandmaster flash from Barbados, invented rap music, no one was looping break beats like him or him, he invented the hip hop beat for emcees to rhyme over, watch the documentary he did, he scientifically explains, truth is truth, yes he was influenced by his American surroundings, no one is saying hip hop came from reggae music, but the idea of using the breakbeat or version as the West Indians called it to rhyme over definitely starting in Jamaica Americans just were not doing that, is it a coincidence that it became in New York and not Los Angeles being that New York has the largest West Indian population in the outside the Caribbean.facts don’t lie.
Coke LA rock is credited as the first modern rapper he is from the south, African American. And syncopated rapping to a beat predates hip Hop also from the south, African Americans Pigmeat Markham and many others. Break beats existed before hip Hop and came from disco. House music is the sister of hip Hop and created by African Americans in the Midwest where no west Indians are found also dabbled with breaks and disco. Hip Hop is 100% African American. Jamaicans stole toasting from African American radio djs in the 40s. Outdoor parties with loud speakers originated in the south, African Americans. All of the genres of music early hip Hop sampled, African American disco and funk soul. All of hip hops roots are African American. Popping and breaking was in LA at the same as and independent of hip Hop.
@@americasmaker disco funk, changed around by herc?
@@miles__fm Herc extended the break beat because he recognized African Americans favorite parts of the songs were the break beat and thats when they liked to dance. It had nothing to do with Dub music. Earlier deejays were already putting emphasis on break beats before him, and the breakbeats weren't Hercs. They had been a part of African American music for a reason. Correlation does not equal causation.
oh is just a correlation?
@@miles__fm No, the music that influenced break beats comes from Funk and Disco. Break beats were a part those genres. Neither genre was influenced by Jamaica. In fact its the other way around. Jamaica was influnced by Funk. Break beats were already popular with African American people. African American genres have always had breaks even if they weren't drums. I get what you're trying to say about Dub music but it is a reach that relies solely on the fact that Herc moved to America from Jamaica when he was 12. He wasn't applying Jamaican techniques to his sets. He was building off of and some would say flat out copying African American Disco deejays. Herc has stated numerous times himself that he couldn't play Jamaican music because the crowds weren't feeling it.
Carribean music is lit on its own so I don’t understand the need to claim hip hop.
No it's not, that's why they're always trying to latch unto our creations smh
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Music is subjective, stop being such a negative person & learn to live in peace with other people....jeez.
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The sound system concept first became popular in the 1950s, in the ghettos of Kingston. DJs would load up a truck with a generator, turntables, and huge speakers and set up street parties. In the beginning, the DJs played American rhythm and blues music, but as time progressed and more local music was created, the sound migrated to a local flavour. Does this sound famiiar to you?
Wrong!
The MOBILE sound system has been given credit to them, BUT when Jamaicans were djing they used ONE turntable, the two tunrable concept came from disco, and its because of the style of djing. They didn't have beats to rhyme over, because instrumentals were not the thing back then. What they did was what radio dj's did, and that was talk while a new record was being introduced, and they got that style of toasting from black american dj's who did jive talking, they said this themselves!
You are rewriting history just based on Jamaicans given the credit for having MOBILE sound systems. Sound Systems were always around if you needed music to be played in large area. A nightclub has a sound system, it just isn't MOBILE. This is very important when speaking on sound systems and their effect on hip hop!
RealDeal speak the truth shame the Devil! Yes, Jamaicans have completely rewritten history! Jamaicans are purposely leaving out important pieces of history in order to maintain this false storyline that this started in Jamaica and they brought it to the States. This is all lies. What Jamaicans are not telling people is that, they got the whole concept the whole concept of a DJ talking over pre-recorded records from AMERICAN DJs! This piece of history is key and completely debunks Jamaican lies for the past 30 plus years. You can understand why they won't mention this to anyone. American DJs, specifically Black American DJs would rhyme over pre-recorded music this is where Jamaica Ska pioneer Cox and the first Jamaican DeeJay Count Matchuki got it from! But Jamaicans are trying to hide this information from the public. I read an article in the Jamaican Gleamer or Observer one of the two and they talked about dancehall and Matchuki but didn't bother to mention in the article where Count Matchuki got the inspiration from which is of course from American DJs who are the originators of this culture. The culture was already here in the Sates before Herc or Bambaatta were even born. American DJs were doing this as far as the 40's.
Jamaicans are leaving this information out because they are trying to protect their fellow Jamaicans, Kool Herc and Bambatta, who both lied and made up this fake history in order to be famous and it clearly worked. But their lies are slowly catching up with them. Bamabattaa has already changed his story several times in interviews once he discovered there were rap records by Black Americans before the release of Rapper's Delight in 1979. Black Americans have rap records that go to the 20's and 30's. This was already here!
And Jamaicans got the concept of a mobile sound system and the technology from Americans! Cox, who pioneered Ska in Jamaica lived in the American south a sugar cane cutter and it was here he learned by the outdoor parties down south and saw how much money was being made and he then took the concept back to Jamaica. Cox is the one who encourage Count matchuki to do what he saw American Djs were doing in the States! This is why Count Matchuki was using terms such as jive and other Black American slang words in his toasting! U-Roy another Jamaican DJ even named his song and album after Jocko Henderson's famous catch phrase Ur ace from Outer Space. Jocko was an American rhyming DJ from the 50's and 60's and even came out with a few records.
Jive Talking originated in the U.S.A ...Toasting From Jamaica ....Rap NYC , Speed Mic Chant London U.K.....Its like Rock and RnB ....they take Ideas from each other .. .But Jamaican Sound System .never like Hip Hop.In the 90s N.Y.C was heavily influenced by Reggae Toasting ....KRS1 ,Black Moon , Mobb Deep , Camp Lo , Fushnickens , Busta Rhymes , ODB , Dazz Effects
Do you know why they were influenced by dancehall in the 90's, but not the 80's, and 70's?
Its because dancehall was still new( like rap) and it was banging. Both sounded the same, as far as being all about the drum, and words rhyming. If it wasn't for Dj Red Alert, dancehall might not have been big as it was in NYC in the black american areas where rap was huge at. He played dancehall on saturdays before he played rap on his show, and dancehall artists also kind of looked like rappers with the chains, and looking fresh.
By the time the mid 90's came around, it was about being different, so dancehall would be used just like Jazz was being used all the time around 1992-94. Before that in 1986-1990 James Brown, and soul music was on everything. It was all about crate digging, and finding the best beat that is different from what everyone else used as samples. A lot of the songs used people don't even know about the artists, they just like the beat! If you notice, the only time you heard dancehall with rap in such a major way was when dancehall was hot in nyc, but by 1997 that style was played out, and you stopped hearing it. Ask yourself why, and read my post again. The answer is because the style changed into people sampling songs that were hits, and doing the puffy thing! Also, people slowed down on sampling, and started using keyboards.
This is why hip hop people need to tell our story because if not, you will have people who only know a little of it, and will warp certain times in hip hop history to mean what they want it to mean. Just like some are doing with this hip hop coming from the caribbean ignorance! They don't know the history of NYC music, let alone rap music, and so they just make assumptions based on what they see without thinking about it.
MAN IN THE GREEN SHIRT. I AGREE WITH, BOUT PARTYING THEN AND NOW BUT PEOPLE MINDS WHERE DIFFERENT BACK IN THE DAY
THOUGH THOSE 3 LEGENDS HAVE WEST INDIAN BACKGROUND IT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED ADJACENT. VERY LIL SOUND OF REGGEA WAS ON INITIALLY BIRTH IN THE SOUND OF RAP/HIP HOP BUT IT MUST AND HAS TO BE RESPECTED THAT ITS IS MOS DEF ONE OF THE FOUR FATHERS. JUST AS THE VOICE AND DRUM, GOSPEL, BLUES, JAZZ, REGGAE TO RAP & HIP HOP
OK Brothers I never like to make claims that are inaccurate .....If Mario had no Hispanic Culture , then I stand corrected .....I apologize .....But Bronx's legends had an impetus that was Mario ......from Carolina ...Pete Jones Carolina ...OK Pete Jones was a Club DJ playing Boogie Disco ....but Disco was a part of it . This amazing DJ . added a spark and did he influence Hip Hop ? He buried the Herculoids , so he did bring something new ......and Kool Herc ....dress style reveals awareness of his Sound System Culture as kid he probably knew of King Tubbies n King Jammies ....but this is guess work ..logical assumptions ..I would like some clarification who was the first to cut beats and mc ....Hollywood ? , Infinity ? Flash ? .....Its an important question .....
King Mario was from NC
@@christinagraham2915 Well his Brother Tex says originally from Carolina
exactly, its not just cut and dry... there are lots of facts and elements that need to be considered. The comments by FBA are typical of the the insular view, that Americans have in general... especially that not may have traveled and the curriculum mostly teaches and promotes America... next they will say europeans have no input in their style even though they stay dried in gucci and fendi etc etc etc... not to mention electro who people like captain rock etc used to wrap over... 100% FBA right!!! this is crazy... we all know that FBA ultimately hate and even Jamaicans, this is just what has been suppressed coming out all over again! looool. not to mention the self hate... its plantation time again, the Stephens are out again....no surprise.
@@christinagraham2915 Exactly Early Carolina Djs Blew up The Bronxs and Brooklyh They're Sound System Culture ...Tex , Pete Jones , kool D , Mario
@@davidcummings5984 and coke la Rick's folks were also from NorthCarolina
Jamaican music techniques and styles contributed to the musical genre known as hip hop. Only someone bias and ignorant would deny this.
when the lion roars...Jamaican music techniques and styles came from our elders in america!!
@@TheCulture..Started1971 you are absolutely correct so my point is we both influenced each other.
When the lion roars ... yes Jamaican styles contributed to American hiphop culture ONLY AFTER the 1980's!! probably 1986 - with krs one doing his Jamaican melody etc then shabba ranks and supercat and artist like them contributed their Jamaican styles to American hiphop culture... but the 1970's was all African American culture styles in hiphop... Kool Herc's "merry go round" was a great idea... but the "merry go round" had nothing to do with Jamaica!!
Someone said it best right here.
"Jamaicans been playing the same beat for 50 years and got the nerve to say they created hip hop."
Rap really started with.
Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham (1968)
They're arguing the wrong thing....noone is saying its a Jamaican thing..Whats being said is there's a piece of Jamacian style that fused with early beginnings of an Black American thing...(The soundsystem and the mic)
Rio...you said " THERE'S A PIECE OF JAMACIAN STYLE THAT FUSED WITH EARLY BEGINNINGS OF AN BLACK AMERICAN THING.... and that's where your wrong brother... NOTHING in the creation/early beginnings of hip hop was jamaican style..kool herc copied American style!! brown skin Americans been had amplifiers loud music block parties juke joints etc... Jamaican pioneers ADMIT they got their equipment and records and ideas from America...jamaicans admit they copied brown skin Americans.. don't know why its hard for you to understand that
@@TheCulture..Started1971 your pwn video shows kool herc, grandmaster flash and the other guy..all Caribbean background...Noone is saying its not black american culture...Whats being said is that Caribbean soundsystem culture that didn't come the u.s. was fused in with the already rising black american scene... Both groups have influenced each other im not sure what they issue is
Rio ... you said "NOONE IS SAYING ITS (hip hop) NOT BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE"....what your saying is not true... YOU may not be saying that.... but others are!! have you heard the outrageous comments made by busta rhymes and Pete rock for example?? outrageous comments like "hip hop was in Jamaica first"... "90 percent of the credit for hip hop is for Jamaica"... so even tho YOU may not be saying such crazy things but other ppl are..
@@TheCulture..Started1971 The United States congress passed a bill (S. RES. 331 ) hip hop celebration day back in 2021 and in that bill it said DJ Herc planted the seed of hip hop.
"Whats being said is that Caribbean soundsystem culture that didn't come the u.s. was fused in with the already rising black american scene.." ---@@Rio-uv1gs
Jamaicans got their sound system culture from FBAs (US). This is documented. The Jamaican pioneer/elders even confirmed this. Why do you all still persist with these lies?
Hip hop has always had a Caribbean infuence from first generation artists, production styles, etc. Same with jazz music in New Orleans being influenced by Haiti. We are a global people. A lot of African Americans come from the Caribbean via enslavement but you won't know that unless you really read up on the dense history of slavery here in the West
Lies, you have your history and we have ours. Your history is IN THE CARIBBEAN.
How the hell do African Americans come from the Caribbean ? That makes no damn sense.
@@miles__fm but disco has no influence from Caribbean. Disco comes from Philly soul.
@@StylistecS comp prac in music
Put the pipe down......smh
American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented Black American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly..
Latinos -- puerto ricans particularly -- explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of Black American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so Black American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by derrick colon, radical latino, fat joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--as it should've been.
Moreover, the heavy hateful and many times racist criticism directed at the Black American youngsters, by the racist white media over having created Rap and Hip Hop, latinos -- particularly puerto ricans -- and jamaicans NEVER came forward to denounce the vicious onslaught, yet 50 years later they want to take credit for this FBA art form that they didn't create.
Puerto Ricans🇵🇷are Americans 🇺🇸🇵🇷🇺🇸since 1898. And came to NYC🗽in the 1900”s. Hip hop started with Blacks and Puerto Ricans in 1970. Prince Whipple Whip and Ruby Dee were the first MC’s 🎤🇵🇷🗽
Yup and the cow clan that jumped over the moon in the 1600s
Foh 🤬😔😒
King Mario was waaaay before any of those three people and he's FBA
I LOVE MY PEOPLE!! HELL NO!!! LOL
i wonder how many of us were truly reped in movies & music
when so many came from NY & posed as us in Hollywood
I don't watch a lot of movies but when I do, I research the 2 main characters. If the main character is not FBA I will not watch the movie. Tethers will not be paid by me. We need to start contacting every agency, studio, talent agents, whomever, and make them understand that we will not allow them to keep pushing FBA aside for those who allow themselves to be walked on for the failing dollar. For the people in the back kowtowing....this is considered oppression too!
FBA ALL DAMN DAY 💪🏾💯
This was stupid because it takes a position from only a black person who was living hip hop
Mister Zoe is just a Hater ..., hating on Jamaicans and West Indian Culture ...Most West Indians didn't like Hip Hop and make no claim to it ...Hip Hop is Purely a Bronx's Creation Mario , Dj Kool D , Ronnie Ron , Boogie Man , Tex , Tyrone Mixologist......Mister Zoe Just trying to twist History and blame West Indians ...black on black racism ...That Shit talk was started by Bambatta and KRS1..ask a Sound System who they are , they wouldnt even know what ya talking about.....the best Sound System Live sessions come from Kingston J.A and the Bronx's New York...
A lot of West Indians were here before the '70s that you didn't know where West Indian a lot of them immense themself in the American culture or denied their heritage and assimilated so you would never know who was West Indian or who was just black American. Some did keep their traditional heritage so you would never know who was so this is a false statement
@Ty direct my grandfather knew West Indians that were here in the 1940s and the 1930s so that is a lie and he lived in Boston but they assimilated there was no separation back then we will all blacks.
@Ty direct you don't have the facts on every state thank you very much
So what you are saying is that those West Indians were cosplaying FBAs?
Alot of new York American have Caribbean heritage fr back in the thirties
That doesn't mean anything u idiot
More had Southern FBA heritage. They were there before the Caribbeans.
@@EVERLASTING12000 some of the first slave to new York when it was a British colony came fr the Carribean Jamaica Infact.
Thr beginning is not even Jamaican music.. Jamaicans influenced hip hop.. Reggae not soca..
This is a FALSE NARRATIVE. Look at DJ Dee HIMSELF, just confirmed "Spanish" (Puerto Ricans), were there. And for those who
don't know, Puerto Rican/Dominicans/Cubans are in FACT, from (wait for it!) THE CARIBBEAN!
Y'all confusing Rasta culture, with Caribbean culture, and Caribbean American culture. It's IMPOSSIBLE to dismiss the Caribbean influence, in Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop could've happened anywhere, where there's black people. But it didn't. It happened HERE. In NYC. In The Bronx. Why? Because of the different cultures, that made up the demographics, of The Bronx at the time. Puerto Ricans, Jamaicans, Black Americans, were all there, during the birth of Hip-Hop.
Let's not remix the shit, 40+ years later.
Ran Dee EXACTLY .. you said "Let's not remix the shit, 40+ years later"... thats a big reason for why Michael Waynetv started ... so to answer your comment.. yes of course puerto ricans was there from start...however those puerto ricans had to adapt to African American culture!! African American culture was dominant in Hip Hop's BEGINNING STAGES.... early hip hop DID NOT live by puerto rican culture... puerto rican culture was not part of hip hop during 1970 - 1975 ... I'm talking about the culture/ the way of life ... the fashion the slang the overall vibe had absolutely nothing to do with puerto rico or jamaica...the fashion the slang the overall vibe was strictly African American culture
@@TheCulture..Started1971 GTFOH! That's a bunch of bullshit! Nobody adapted to SHIT! Puerto Ricans, Jamaicans, and Black Americans, shared the SAME culture, in the U.S. Puerto Ricans, have lived in NYC, since the end of the Spanish American war. And the Puerto Rican population peaked, after WWII. Jamaicans have been here, for well over 100 years. And BLACK Americans, were followers, of the likes of Marcus Garvey, amongst others. Puerto Ricans, were alongside Black Americans, playing jazz music, as far back as the 20's, in NYC. In the 50's, Puerto Ricans, and blacks were doing Do-Wop. In the 70's, they we're doing Disco, Latin Funk, and Nuyorican Soul. And a little after that, HIP-HOP! You're trying to create an alternate version of that FACTS, by saying that ONLY Black Americans, did Hip-Hop. And everyone else "adapted" to a "blacks only" culture, already in existence. THAT'S 100% BULLSHIT! You can run that shit on CZcams, to niggaz that don't know SHIT. But that shit won't fly here.
Don't confuse Rasta culture, and Caribbean culture, with Caribbean American culture. HUGE difference.
This is a SHARED culture. No one specific group created it. This was the product of American, and CARIBBEAN people. DJ Dee said it CLEARLY! It's on YOUR video! He dispelled the myth you're attempting to bring forth, in your own video, and it went right over your head! I also see there's no mention of DJ Tex.
@@randee4550 , you kind of almost sound like you say that white folks created Hip Hop.
@@muchi1465 I don't know WTF you're reading, since there's 0 mention, of white people, on this thread.
@@randee4550, where I'm at, we really need some Hip Hop politicians in these offices.
The two brothers at the end😂😂😂
Music influences music. Always has always will.
So black Americans can say we started Jamaican music???
@@lordschild673 African Americans can say that they influenced Reggae because they factually did as Caribbeans factually influenced the development of original Hip Hop in NYC.
@@RAS_DNA influenced and created are different things
@@lordschild673 you can play word checkers with someone else. Original Hip Hop in New York City had Caribbean influences and many of the original Hip Hop artist in New York had Caribbean ancestry. It is not a competition it is an actual fact.
@@RAS_DNA so why did Caribbean’s parent used to tell their kids not to listen to that yankee music 🤔???
THOUGH THOSE 3 LEGENDS HAVE WEST INDIAN BACKGROUND IT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED ADJACENT. VERY LIL SOUND OF REGGEA WAS ON INITIALLY BIRTH IN THE SOUND OF RAP/HIP HOP BUT IT MUST AND HAS TO BE RESPECTED THAT ITS IS MOS DEF ONE OF THE FOUR FATHERS. JUST AS THE VOICE AND DRUM, GOSPEL, BLUES, JAZZ, REGGAE TO RAP & HIP HOP
Hip Hop is not Disco, salsa, Mambo or Funk. Early DJs were Disco DJs. Disco is not Hip Hop.
These dudes hv no idea what they 're talking about!...lol
Americans took everything Jamaicans were doing in jamaica
N copied it n called it hip hop!...just to sum it up
It's that simple
What were jamaicans doing for America to copy because I've been to jamaica in the 80s, 90s and 2000s and the only difference i saw in those times was 1 new highway and a KFC. Those are not elements of hip hop.
Why did Jamaicans wait to make hiphop when they could have do it with jazz blues soul funk what took them so long
Now you heard him right @ 3:20. It was African American and Spanish. Meaning Puerto Rican. I'm 60 from the Bronx and that's the way I remember it. People have to realize that the south Bronx is not a black neighborhood. It's really a Puerto Rican neighborhood with lots of black Americans living there. So to say they wasn't down with hip hop from day one you got it twisted.
Down yes but not create it two different things! ✔🤔
@@malikbey5522 I will admit that African Americans invented hip hop. But the fact is that the Puerto Rican community in New York are considered part of the hip hop community. Because we are not Johnny come lately. We did not get involved with hip hop in the 80s, like everyone else once it when became popular and mainstream. That's the reason why you would never hear anybody say anything about Puerto Ricans being involved in Hip Hop, when there's a Puerto Rican rapper, when there's anything that has to do with anybody being Puerto Rican and has anything to say about Hip Hop. There's a reason why all the rappers go to the Puerto Rican Day parade. There's a reason why in the hip hop radio stations in New York you have Puerto Rican DJs that interview everybody and nobody says nothing. Because we are part of the community. No one outside of African-Americans can lay claim to that the way we can.
@@Prone-Ski_BX True the Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans gave a lot to Hip Hop no doubt but African Americans out side of NY can make that claim is because the foundation of Hip Hop music comes from them. like James brown music but he's not from New York it comes from our culture and history so you see why they have the input.
Thank you!
How could rapping come from toasting when we didn't even rock with them or their music back in the beginning Caribbean and Latinos were influenced by us they had no power nor influence in the urban community period im 52 from Harlem NYC and witnessed alot they called it jungle Bunny music and Jamaicans called it Yankees music F the BS y'all older dudes are pandering to those groups to keep them cool with y'all latinos and Jamaican people had no parts of it Mario was first before any of them fake ass so called Creators I been around Herc And Worked for Afrika Bambataa i lived the shit
There’s such a clear distinction between black and caribbean. 3:56 🤣 no one want to party to reggae!
1968 Dj Flowers from Brooklyn & Hollywood from Harlem were way before Kool Herc
Ha the cap in the interviews question is hilarious. Hip Hop was founded by *CARIBBEAN / WEST INDIAN* people who brought that into African-American Funk and pop music. Rastafarian culuture did NOT take in America even after Bob Marley and the Wailers became popular here. It is a hybrid culture FOUNDED by mostly Caribbean people from Jamaica, Puerto Rico / Boriquen, Barbados, Trinidad, Grenada, Haiti, Cuba, etc.
Hip-hop comes from black american culture/music. Disco and funk mixed and sampled is what created hip-hop. Also, the music was already trending in that direction.
If Hip Hop was founded by Caribbean ppl, then how come there are no afro Caribbean or Puerto Rican cultural elements and influences in Hip Hop?? Make it make sense 🤣
Hip-hop is not a West Indies thing, it’s a Bronx thing! Bronx was Black American, Spanish, West Indie, etc.
Let it be known that we are one people indeed but our culture is our culture and hip-hop and rap music and we foundational black Americans will stand on it even if it means going to war with our own family. Let it be known black Americans run this house and Jamaicans just visiting
Grr The interview with the Old School Hispanic Bronx's Brother about the racial make up of the Bronx's seems to be taken Down , he claims Mario was Black Porto Rican . The interview centres around the impact of immigration in the Bronx's...if he's Biracial ...it don,t mean jack cause his culture was primarily Bronx's ...as for the Sound System aspect ....Brooklyn and Queens were responsible for changing the fashion of the music hardware on the club scene from old school cabinet boxes ...to Hi Tek Heavy duty P.A Style . Systems ...In the Early 80.s I had World Supreme Team come on our set in Palm Trees Club Harlseden Soul Inc vs Hawkeye International ...that's when they told me they similar sets in Queens and Brooklyn . The largest P.A set in London was Danny Casanova ....but heaviest sound system for pure wait was a cabinet old school Sound ...Stereograph
David Cummings what video do you think was taken down?? NONE of our videos say Mario was a Black Puerto Rican!! Mario and his whole family today will tell you Mario came from NorthCarolina!! even Mario's brother WC said in his video… they both came from North Carolina…Mario and his family was "african americans" …black americans from the south… maybe you was referring to Tex Dee …. Tex was puerto rican...Tex was a deejay back in 1975 76 with Mario … and Tex was also one of the founding Black Spades who was puerto rican
He's lying Herc was a child when he got here and he never played reggae music or riddims he even said it himself i been around him also I worked for Afrika Bambataa....facts
The older generation of New Yorkers which includes ⚫️ Americans and Carribeans didnt like Hip Hop. You know, the MFers that had plastic covers on their sofas. It was youth driven in one of the poorest counties of New York. The Bronx! Was it influenced by ⚫️ American youth? 100% but don't act like youth from the Caribbean didnt live in the same hoods or contribute to the culture.
Early hip hop, west Indian'/carribean people despised hip hop, they called it yankee and gangster music. The rise of west indian/carribean people in hip hop came in the early 90s. Carribean contributed nothing to hip hop other than blending in with African American culture and imitating it.
@faraazkhan90 Fam, you wouldn't know who was from the Carribean unless you were around their parents. Quit the F'n cap! I grew up in a predominantly West Indian, Jamaican and Black American hood.
@@badapplenycso you can only tell if somebody is west indian by their parents based on what???? Dressing, the way they speak, what exactly are you implying???? Because west Indian's didn't even like hip hop to begin with and the only thing they brought was dreadlocks rastaman vibes(busta rhymes, wclef Jean, ras, das&efx). Like people have mentioned, west Indian/carribean have no contribution to the hip hop culture and never wanted to associate with it in the first place.
@@faraazkhan90 You must have a comprehension problem. Read my original comment. 🤦♂️2nd or 3rd gen youth embraced Hip Hop. I'm a born n bred NYer.
@@badapplenyc and neither of them were west Indian's. I was replying to your comment on how somebody could tell if your west Indian.
What rappers were doing in the 70s Jamaican was doing in the 60s in dancehall/Reggae, the big speakers, dj talking over the sound system