What happened in the Garden? - Dr. Michael S. Heiser
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- A divine being (not an animal) associated with the divine council freely chose to oppose God's plan for humanity by prompting the humans to disobey God so they would either be killed, or removed from God's council and family.
I LOVE this theory/teaching! ...found it almost 2 years ago. It makes so much more sense to me than other explanations. This, Deuteronomy 32 / Psalm 82 Worldview, etc. ...all have opened my eyes to deeper meaning in my Bible reading, and daily life.
Me, too.
I've come to love D.M.Heiser's work over the last few months
I guess it's my duty to share this, but I'm a guy in my early 20's, and my mom is around her mid 50's.
I was raised Christian, and one day a few years ago, I asked my mom why she decided to become a Christian, and she told me it was because of a dream she had in which she saw a horde of horrific creatures in front of her, and leading them all was a "reptilian humanoid" who she described as being covered in shining jewels and all sorts of precious materials, and she instinctively knew it was the devil, whilst behind her was all of the Christians she knew, who were apparently praying for her.
She knew absolutely nothing about reptilians or conspiracy theories or anything about this kind of topic and she told me she had the dream when she was quite young, maybe in her 20's if I recall correctly.
At the time I was deeply immersed in this kind of information through documentaries like Gonzo Shimura's age of deceit series, and I was familiar with the "nakash serpent shining one" theory, so it blew my mind to hear my mom's testimony match so closely with descriptions of the devil that I had heard.
Personally that was enough evidence for me.
I love how he teaces. I have followed another teacher that explained thos the exact same way, this is the legit explanation. Why this isnt taught in church I will never know. Absolutely fascinating how it all measures up
Great teaching. Amazing how the full picture assembles when the cultural, historical, linguistic contexts are taken into account.
Theology is great 👍
Thank You for sharing; I Thoroughly enjoyed this presentation again, yes again, and I'll listen to it again.
Man, I wish you would've been one of my professors in seminary! Very eye opening. Thank you for your work and disclosure of these truths.
Yupyup ! Many "men of God" think the same in this hour. For me "spirit-realm" reality awakened in 1984. With the current apostacy advancing as it is in this hour, know for sure "The Holy Spirit" is speaking openly. Blessings.
This was excellent, thankyou. Roy Potter linked us to you for further accurate understanding.
Genesis is a Supernatural Book of Supernatural beginnings. I was exposed to all this as a older teen. This is excellent insight into the actual truth of what happened in the Garden……
Amazing when one learns that no one......and I mean no one really knows much of anything about such ancient times yet speak as if they do. The ego is a terrible thing beyond childhood.
OUTSTANDING OBSERVATION DR. HEISER
Dr Heiser, you are such a gift from God to me! All my life I have struggled to get a clear "real world" interpretation of what the Garden was REALLY about.
We are kindred spirits in that I am the born again Christian and a lover of the word but I have also taken interest in UFO's. So when you connected the serpentine (or reptilian) beings who were cast out of the Divine council and now reside under the Earth - you blew my mind.
First it reminds me of Summerian/Babylonian carvings that depict the alligator looking beings (Annunaki?). And then Obviously, there is the UFO lore about the reptilians and the greys who live underground and in or under mountains.
I believe that UFOs and extraterrestrials are Central to the coming great deception spoken of by the Lord. So many even Christians are going to have their face seriously tested by The narrative that God is just an advanced extraterrestrial from another planet.
But for me, strangely, UFOs have strengthened my faith. They are direct evidence of a reality that science cannot explain and will not be able to explain bc of the supernatural or interdimensional aspect of the "ET's". By the way in my opinion I think that the ET beings that people see and interact with are some kind of cloned or manufactured or genetically engineered beings created by Lucifer/Satan. God created humanity and Satan is imitating him but he's not as good at it and that is why UFOs are constantly abducting human beings and stealing their genetics. It's an attempt to improve his crappy seed. In the seed wars- AKA The seed of the serpent vs the seed of the woman.
Excellent
Thanks
I always knew that there was a reason I don't like snakes. I never could figure out why some people do. 🐍 👀🤯
Such a shame that Mike had to go home. Thank you Lord Jesus for giving us such a great teacher as Dr. Heiser. He has brought a greater understanding of your glory and the wonders of The Word of God! 🙏✝️🙏
Wow 😮…..Beautiful ❤
Glad you like it! Please pray for Dr. Heiser and his family.
ESV Quintel Ooooh... 😳 Love the look of that one.
Great point as most commentator's do not see these links. I'm thinking because they are stuck by their own choice to the "inside the Church box" tradition's. Amazing how relational they are to their spiritual relatives from the past, Pharisees.
Dr. Heiser. I follow all your brilliant conferences and l admire your work.
I just qant you to remember (lm sure you know) That the Seraphims looks like winged serpent, and God referred to him as a serpent. Thank you for your great work.
I agree! Great knowledge! Thank you for sharing. I heard before Mike was sharing a thought about Ruth. I cannot find it anymore... Do you know if anyone has a link to that video? Or maybe it was the podcast... Do not remember...become old ;)
I'm always amazed at how much my elders taught me growing up and how well prepared I was .
Yes, forever grateful for our Pastor bringing Revelation teaching in our Church 🙏🙌
When I read Genesis 3 I never really thought that it was a normal snake that had the ability to talk. The question I always had was is it Lucifer possessing a serpent or taking on the form of a serpent. Now this adds a third possibility that the natural form of the seraphim Lucifer was serpentine. When I think about the description of a serpent with legs it sounds almost like the Oriental picture of the long dragons.
The word serpent means shining one in Hebrew so I don't know anyone except maybe a little child who didnt know it was satan.
Azazel was the worship leader placed in the garden with a level of knowledge required to run the back of the house as they say. He was there to take the place of the adversary because this was the point of the exercise. This is why it says "everything was good" because the plot was set and evolving into the story that we call history. God was teaching an object lesson to both the deceiver in his role as the antagonist' and the human inhabitants. Precisely because God is sovereign, he is not threatened by any outcome due to his omnipotence. within this lesson is the entire human existence. it is in this object lesson that he is proving who is the true God buy exposing how everything is affected within this existence with the single exception of he himself, who is really the only one who has the ability to make changes to the creation. All other beings including the adversary are characters in the story rather than the author who draws from his own thoughts putting in order the arrangement of events. It is God who is bringing about the story and its contents in so doing he provides irrefutable evidence that he has the freedom to choose the outcome even though the characters in the story have free will they ultimately are written buy the author who set out in the beginning to bring forth a kingdom for his son. all of which he had to be willing to die for and why he was sure of his calling and willing to give himself for it. His giving of himself for it was the act that made him worthy of the union of kingdom and king. He [JESUS] truly put himself into the place of the accused received a punishment that was not his to take therefor granting to himself alone the authority to stand in place of or instead of the sinner [anti-deception/confusion] , when it is the devil who seeks to place himself in place of [anti-Christ] or instead of God Brought forth in the very beginning in the story of Cain and Able one with his own way and the other through obedience was killed for righteousness. That is what happened in the garden. The trees were guardian leadership of ministering spirits and from any of them they could learn from their behavior but not of the one who leads astray because his fruit is the concept of doubt. doubt breeds fear and fear breeds contempt strife and anger which have been frothed up until today culminating in these final events before the final revealing of the king to his kingdom.
I think he was leader of the watchers, the fallen angels. Never read anything of him being in the garden.
@@codymadison9993 the serpent is Azazel. Lucifer is a title. Light bearer. Satan means adversary.
He was the one who gave the original forbidden knowledge and set in motion all sin in mankind. Check out the jewish sacrifice. They put the sin of all man kind on the sin goat the azazel goat that they send off into the wilderness and the other the sacrificial lamb and we know what happens to him.
@@roundhouserenovations3072 interesting
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His teachings on “the supernatural realm” is incredible … the video that bears that title is very worth the watch
@@TLTSofit i agree
The nachash was described as arrum where we get clever, arrum is the same word used for when Adam and Eve discover that they are “ naked”, arrum = naked, they had taken on a characteristic of the nachash
Well their recognition of their nakedness was a distortion. There was nothing wrong with their nakedness, but their fall caused them to feel inward shame and hide for fear of judgement. This is why God said "who told you you are naked?"
Is the judgment on the serpent in some ways similar to Babel in that the desire for exaltation and hubris is brought low?
I also love Dr Heiser’s teaching. But my question is that the curse on the “serpent” was physical and doesn’t make much sense as punishment for a divine being. Does Satan have to crawl on his belly now?
Yes and is compared to the other beasts of the field. It has got to mean an actual serpent even if it is a double entendre and means a divine being too
For it to have been in communication w/ Adam/Eve it had to obviously have ‘materialized’ into a physical being or apparition . Remember the enemy can disguise itself as an Angel of what?!--light! So it can appear as such but it’s illusory, temporary, w/ out true substance. And that is what I believe is it’s ‘casting down’ , losing its true, original form and integrity, limiting its power and ‘bite’……
When God created Earth, male and female humans were placed on the Earth.
Eventually, God created Eve who passes information to Adam. Adam becomes Adamas.
God desired his created consciousness to have self thought. There is no point in having an awareness that cannot think.
God create a sun for the day and the moon for night.
The sun delivers information which is seen through the day and at night the mind reflects on the day.
So the snake is the self thought.
The self desires to be incharge but cannot get the information and energy to do it. The self has to talk to Eve to get what it wants.
The self was a tool for the mind to see and assimilate information given to it by God through Eve which is the higher consciousness given to Adam so that Adam could talk to himself.
When you look at the human mind as it thinks, it glows with energy flowing through the neurones.
At the base of the brain is the spinal chord which looks like a snake.
The basic part of our thought system is the body nervous system which is animalistic.
So the lower animalistic part of conscousness desired to rule the mind. Like sexual or hunger urges desire to overpower the mind.
When the fall occurred, our awareness fell away from Gods direct thought and fell down to the animal layer of awareness.
Remember that God created mineral then vegitation then animal and human from which came Adam and Part of Adam was seperated and enhanced by God and then returned to Adam in a way that Adam was aware of Eve. Adam says Eve is of his flesh.
Your mind can talk to itself.
You know you are talking to yourself. Eve is Adams higher consciousness that allows Adam to think within himself.
The garden is a safe area inwhich Eve can taste concepts about God and pass the information onto Adam who assimilated the information and stored it as memory.
A thought garden in which what you believe is true apears before you. You plant seeds of thought which grow out of the earth and you see what you think.
This why Adam has to maintain the garden.
When the fall occurs, God does not want self thought or false ideas to corrupt the the thought harden of God's truth.
God says that they can grow their own garden.
Caine does not do well at that because he thinks only within himself and not with God as does Abel.
Caine is symbolic of self or evil thought and Abel is good thought or Godly thought.
When Eve copies God and creates her own man, she is divided in thought by the knowledge of good and evil.
Eve's mind lives partly looking at God and partly within herself. Hence two children that oppose each other.
The serpent now bites at Eves head. Adam now holds all the information that Eve passed on but he cannot understand it and he will have to work by the sweat of his brow to work it all out.
This is why the world fights.
All the thought of the world fights for power.
This forms dictators which is symbolized by Pharoah.
The higher mind or Eve is distracted by the serpent wispering into her mind.
Caine is given a number 616 which means prisoner in Hebrew. He is the self and he creates a city.
Cities are memories held to be true. Building bricks of thought that we live in and fight to defend. We build big walls around them to defend them.
Jericho is false thoughts that the town people built up and defended. God broke the false ideas apart by showing the truth or the Ark.
Falsity cannot stand against the truth.
Complex is it not.
Hope you got the gist of it.
Interestingly, when one looks up the symbolism (Ancient Semitic/Hebrew picture and meaning) behind the term nachash (nun, chet, shin) the term equates to: 1) nun: Seed/Continue, Heir, Son. 2) chet: Tent wall/Outside, Divide, Half. 3) shin: Two front teeth/Sharp, Press, Eat, Two.
From the Hebrew perspective this could equate to the telling of the Edenic Fall. Two did press their teeth and eat/ something outside God's permission or boundaries/ Dividing in half their initial blessings, i.e. eternal life./Heir, Son, Seed required to continue the Edenic blessing of eternal life - that being Christ, Son of God, Heir of Heaven and Earth continued thus renewed.
Also, the central letter chet contains the term 'Divide' which is also the PIE root of 'dai-mon' (demon) meaning dai: to divide, mon: provider of fortunes or destinies. Satan divided man from God, stoled the destinies/fates of mankind in half (a chasm that cannot be crossed from here to there), in death our body is divided from our soul.
In other words, the entire story is seen within the term used to describe Satan in his Edenic form, the story, and the results.
Jesus triumphs over Death, resurrected therefrom, returning as a whole human - made of flesh and blood, not a ghost. Christ has ransomed our destinies and restored our eternal and divine design.
Absolutely it was a heavenly being. Yup.
In the garden, on earth? Earth is made for psychical beings, scripture even says the serpent was a “beast of the field” so I really can’t get behind any teachings against what scripture says especially when it’s from a scholar and not someone led by the Holy Spirit. Men led by their own understanding always produced error and even death.
Genesis 3:1, serpent is a beast of the field, so it is an animal.
Mr Potter referenced your video in his channel.
Nachash can be translated as serpent or brass/bronze. This is known as a paronomasia. These are words that can be translated different ways. Remember that ancient Hebrew was not written with any vowel points. When encountering a word with a dual meaning, you have to use context to correctly interpret it. This may also be a play on words where the serpent was also shining, which the Tanach seems to describe the devil/serpent/ dragon/hasatan. Lucifer's real name in Hebrew is Haylayl Ben Shachar, or day star, son of the morning.
Did you write this after watching the video? No agenda here, just curiosity.
So if Ben means 'son of' then what is the Etymology and definition of Shachar? Also Jesus is also referred to as the morning star as is Venus
Don't quote me as for sure truth, but I just heard a guy claim that was a misinterpreted translation. I don't remember for sure that he was talking about Venus, Morning Star. I know for sure Morning Stars, plural, God mentions in Job. Probably just search " morning star job singing? "or "Job where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth"
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Job 38:6-7
On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
It’s interesting that Lucifer is the day star, son of the morning given that Christ is the morning star. See where I’m going with that anyone?
IF you never understood before that the Garden of Eden was where a rebellious angelic being caused man to be seperated from God... Welcome to your freedom. You have now been released to understand the truth, the way, the salvation - Jesus Christ.
After seeing what Jesus has actually saved us from I am more grateful. He didn’t save us from ourselves - he saved us from being slaves to fallen gods during the course of our physical existence and in eternity as well.
Ok, so could seraphim be the dragons found in many myths and legends across various cultures?
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The text implies that the serpent dies in Genesis 3:14 It was not a divine being, but a beast that allowed itself to be used by Satan. After dying, that specific singular original serpent beast was cast into the bottomless pit. Satan was there in the garden whispering into the serpent's ear what to say.
Fast forward to the end times, our time.....
When the person in Revelation 13, the wounded/healed head becomes the beast - he will become possessed by that original serpent beast - now in spirit form - in Revelation 17:8 which will be allowed to ascend out of the bottomless pit to possess the end times person..
Regarding Ezekiel 28:16-19, Satan will be cast down to earth in the middle of the 7 years of Daniel 9:27, at the time of the sounding of the 7th trumpet , in Revelation 12:7-9 a forth coming battle in the second heaven, the cosmos. Satan, time will be short - a time/times/half times left during which he will be a terror, Revelation 12:10 having great wrath.
Satan will incarnate the statue image of the beast person made in Revelation 13. Making it appear to come alive and speak, and be worshiped.
On the day that Jesus returns, to the Mt. of Olives, He will melt away the outer facade of the statue image standing on the temple mount, in fire turning it to ashes, exposing Satan to the kings of the earth as it says in Ezekiel 28:16-19, to be literally be seen by everyone.
In Revelation 20, A lone angel will then descend from heaven, bind Satan in chains, and cast into the bottomless pit - to be a terror no more as it says in Ezekiel 28:16-19.
All of these attributes, being a throne protector and a light bearing heavenly being which isn't that what Lucifer actually means? I think I have always tried to picture some kind of incredible fantastical being that for some reason doesn't startle or spook Adam and eve. They've seen it because they have been in God's presence. And this being helps protect the throne of God.
The curse of having to crawl on its belly is one of humility or being humbled actually. The New testament tells us that we are made initially just a bit lower than the angels and if Lucifer is a being of such incredible Glory the thought of another creation that was someday going to usurp his place may have led to his wanting to get rid of them
Michael you say the cherub and Seraphim are essentially the same being but I always thought that a Cherubim had 4 faces and 4 wings whereas a Seraphim is a fiery serpent with 6 wings????????
Same function, different appearance
It’s because Lucifer was the anointed cherub.
@@oreo1979 technically also seraphim, since both are different appearances of the creature that does the same work - sacred space guardian. These creatures obviously have no real form as they are spirits, but when in visions they are visualized in two ways.
@@samueltomjoseph4775 wrong, spirits do have real forms because they were created and designed!
@@bigmeech2501 but you don't need to have form to be designed or created. But you do need a purpose or function. Let's see, softwares don't have form, yet they are designed. When we say God is spirit, we don't mean he has a form that we can't see. He can take on such a form, but he doesn't need one to exist. Spirits in general i think don't need forms. Angels can take on form, but I don't think they have an inherent form. What makes them what they are is their person - spirit, mind, will, consciousness. After we die, we gonna be just like them until we resurrect.
Here's something to think about, compare the four living creatures in revelation 4 and Ezekiel 1. Are they the same in appearance? But they do have the same function. They just appeared differently to Ezekiel and John respectively
This exactly what the Bible teaches.
I may be wrong but I believe that in reference to the garden of Eden , I feel the mention of the Tree Of Life is referring to our Heavenly Father as he has offspring in the form our creator . The tree of good and evil is referring to the fallen one as he creates offspring by the sins of the fleshy bodies , he is also the creator of sin . Father often uses trees to define people and bloodlines . I to felt that the words of our Heavenly Father were a fancy way of giving the fallen one a divine demotion .
You create your own evil and witness it......there is no devil.
But you better love God (you) with all your heart soul n mind.. and treat the others around you same...nothing but love or you will see your minds evil!
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There is no devil?
Matthew 4:1:
"1 Then 2532 was Jesus 4260 led up 1564 of the 1492 Spirit 1417 into 243 the 80 wilderness 2385 to be tempted of 2199 the 2532 devil 2491."
There are thousands of devils.
@@Servant2112 the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist. And you are not God.
Is Dr Michael H. Back and healthy again?? Is this new? I heard about a year ago he was battling cancer and hadn't heard any news since
Don't they follow the member of animal kingdom because of the surrounding context (the nachash being more clever/subtle than any other beast of the field/wild animal)?
Animals where different before the fall. For one none ate each other since there was no death. Much more changed in our earth that people realize with the fall. Animals also could speak before as seen in Genesis and Jasher or Jubilee forget which book.
the almighty can see the end from the beginning , HE PLACED THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GARDEN HE HAD PREPARED .. . then he asked for loyalty . . .A cherubim revolted for prideful ambition , , , tricking the innocent Eve and breaking Adams heart . ( She was now under a proclaimed death warrant , , , .Adam could not accept the loss of Eve , , or the children of her eggs .and threw all of humanity on gods mercy . pain full as our Genesis has become . why would eternity come easy ?
Not really a serpent.... but all serpents were punished for its actions. Ok. He's making it make even less sense.
So did God orchestrate the fall of Man? Is God wanting to transform man through suffering and evil into a higher moral being? Would that not raise Man to a higher moral state , having risen above evil not of his making, than God as a passive architect of evil?
Once the userper placed itself as god it could say anything this does explain why the serpent on a pole was used to save the people from death.
The serpent on the pole symbolised what was killing them. The problem for mankind has always been what leads to Death.
Jesus explains the serpent on a pole. Looking at the thing that leads to death, as it is lifted up, saved them from death - the effect of the serpent’s bite.
Jesus became sin - all mankind’s sin was laid on Him as He hung, crucified, and lifted up. Our sin was killing us… sin leads to death. Looking at the thing that kills us, as it is lifted up, saves us!
John 12:31-32
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
John 8:28-29
28 So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me. 29 And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him.”
And… on top of that, the serpent on a pole was made from brass/bronze. Jesus was saying look at what caused you to be under the power of sin and death.
Critique:
- Curse of the Nachash to "EAT DUST"
- Heiser's take is a little literal, if not childish here. The Nachash "eating DUST" is a reference to the "dust of the ground" from which MAN was made from. In other words, if the breath of life was SPIRIT, then the 'dust of the ground' or soil component of man was referring to our "FLESH" or basically our Physical form - which btw eventually becomes "DUST" of ground in the end.
- The Curse to the Nachash is valid as say, the "devil", eats metaphorically HUMANS or HUMAN FLESH - in the sense that it feeds on the DEATH of those who are separated from GOD either physically or spiritually.
He seemed to wear his scholarly thinking cap when it suited his views and remove it when contemplating the views of others. Why it never occurred to him that the serpent was an actual animal that was under the control of a supernatural being is beyond me.
I want to know what in us gives rise to sin and why is it a good thing that the tree of knowledge was there? I would love an explanation that makes sense.
Adam and Eve were created perfect and had the indwelling Holy Spirit. Their character was not flawed but it was not perfected through obedience. Their minds were essentially blank slates with high capacity for knowledge, learning and information. Everything that entered their minds was good and they had every reason to trust God wholly. They were even warned about one who had led a rebellion in heaven against God's government and His sovereignty. They had no reason to distrust God but we're unprepared for the subtle deception coming their way.
So how did these perfect beings fall? (not just Adam and Eve, but the rebellious angels). For each and everyone of them, it was through the mind, through the way they processed the information that was coming to them through the great deceiver. The reason the great deceiver fell was through being puffed up by his pride. He saw himself as being on par with the divine Son of God and worthy of the same worship. There was nothing amiss about the information coming into his mind but we are all free to process the information in different ways. He was offered a chance to repent and turn back to his high position but he allowed the intrusive thoughts to win and he was so convincing that he was able to get 1/3 of the angels to his side.
After Adam and Eve disobeyed, they grieved the Holy Spirit and the spirit departed from them. It was at that point that they instantly went from a deep love for another to accusing one another. Evil isn't Inherent within us, but is a result of not being filled with the Holy Spirit. They realized they were naked because they were clothed with Christ's righteousness. The Bible is all about Him restoring the image of God in His children. The redeemed will be clothed with Christ's righteousness which is likened to robes of light. Think how Moses' have shone bright after spending time with God.
An angel of light!!!
Right! Light here and often in scripture is a euphemism for wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. A guide on a certain path if you will. This angel of "light" is the full embodiment of the so-called wisdom of the strange woman described in Proverbs. Who offers counsel, understanding, and knowledge (light) to the naive and unlearned, but by her counsel leads her victims astray into darkness, to the house of the dead.
1 John chapter 3 verse 12 , that tells you what happened. It wasn't eating apples.
The only reason animals don't do math is that they don't have a symbolic system for representing things in the world and things which don't exist (events from yesterday you can't "point "to", abstract concepts like math, or non-existent entities like gods). It's a characteristic of human language called displacement. Animals don't have human language or graphical symbols to work with math concepts. And the "animals have instinct" instead of intelligence assumption is a 19th century idea that is being overturned everyday with new research. Yes they have instinct, as we do, but we know now mammals and birds have consciousness, emotions, empathy and many other traits that were once only associated with humans. Anyone with a pet cat or dog knows this. You just have to ask yourself if really intelligent talking snakes are real creatures, spirit manifestations, or creative writing? Which one of those do we see in everyday experience (Harry Potter is a clue)?
I've been saying for years, the word "serpent" means charmer - so, given the fact he was made to go on his belly after the fall, we know Adam and Eve were talking to some kind of angel when they were deceived.
For those interested ... I've included a short article on the situation in the garden.
Not sure if you'll like it or not - but I do think this video presentation is excellent.
Alpha and Omega
Adam and Eve were told they can partake of any tree except the one that has knowledge of good and evil - so we know two things:
1) They had consciousness prior to partaking the forbidden fruit - because they understood what they were told to avoid.
2) They were allowed to obtain knowledge - because the other trees did not bare fruit that contained the mixture of lies and truth.
They were (basically) warned to avoid anything that causes delusion - so we know the creator genuinely cares for His creation.
After Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit: they realised they were naked - which means they became aware they have a defiant attitude toward the creator (with a sense of vulnerability that took effect) and, thus, felt shame.
This caused consciousness, present in man, to become corrupt which then allowed him to exploit the opportunity to assert dominion over others he considers inferior.
This is why God told Eve, "Your desire shall be to your husband and he shall 'rule' over you."
She was, after all, the weaker vessel - so she would become subject to the misogynistic attitude of those lacking in understanding.
Therefore, it is attitude that has been evolving or devolving through the ages: and consciousness, being a composite of attitude, has forged institutions that have galvanized class within hierarchical structure.
This situation was exasperated by a class of angels called "the Watchers" who left their eternal estate to found early civilization and establish religions that exalt their own interests.
These interests include the liberation of lust - where they exist as a demonic possession in those who embrace the assertion of authority over others.
Their religions (including false Christianity) depend upon a faith in the mystery, rather than Yahshua, to draw the unsuspecting into the delusion of thinking hierarchy is a vital component of civilization.
For this reason: secular society cannot function without religion: and, as you should have guessed by now, religion is not sanctioned by the creator - so we know civilization, past and present, bares no resemblance to the (prophesied) Kingdom of Heaven.
Yahshua told us not to get angry with another nor lust upon another - because these (attitudes), being sin in the heart, are the manifestation of one's assertion of authority over others.
...and sin (delusion) is when a person seeks to justify wicked behaviour as righteous.
Yahshua showed us the eternal estate is available to those who practice humility - which is to say: the body of flesh, we have, allows us to develop a faith that facilitates a return to perfection.
The correct attitude will facilitate greater hermeneutic understanding: and this can adjust conscious awareness - but salvation comes to those who acknowledge the authority of Yahshua (in faith).
He told us to love one another as He loved us - so the Father in Heaven can see He loves the Father.
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Don’t commentators prefer “serpent” in Gen.3 because of how God describes His curse to crawl on his belly? And in Isaiah 6, seraphim are described not as serpentine but rather having three sets of wings. I love Heiser and he has transformed how I view my life before God but why does he not include that?
They are described as serpentine by being called serpents dude. Seraphim = serpents.
@@disguisedcentennial835 What I’m getting at is that “serpentine” isn’t the only translation of “Seraphim”. The most accepted translation is “burning ones” or “shining ones.” After giving further thought I can possibly reconcile everything by imaging the Seraphim of Isaiah 6 as six-winged dragons.
In fact, what experts are doing today to make their heads feel as if they are bursting is trying to understand the contents of the heads of ancient humans whose knowledge and thinking abilities were very limited in such a way that what ancient humans could do was testify packaged in the form of beliefs between generations by their limited knowledge.
For this reason, there is no other way for experts than to dig from human relics that can be stored for a longer time, namely THROUGH their HOLY BOOK, which originates from the testimonies collected.
Because if you only go through archaeological remains that have been buried in the earth, it will be difficult to find and arrange a picture if only with a detection device for found objects.
You will never know.
Junaynah at Dn- garden of Eden- at 20/20 by 42/55 in Asir region western Arabia. “The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi,1985. Plus his 3 other bible study books will surely help.
The bible says in Genesis that God put man in the Garden after Creation. Comments ?
Where does Jesus fit in the genesis picture and the divine beings, since he is know as Gods unique Son.
He is the only begotten (not created) Son of God.
Jesus is the one cursing the serpent
1:16 god's home is his headquarters. did he live in eden until the worldwide flood?
Dr Heiser, I have playful Vatican conspiracy question. Any insight on whether Genesis 1-11 may have borrowed very heavily from the missing 5th tablet of the Seven tablets of Creation?
There's been speculation that perhaps the Vatican confiscated all the extant copies of the 5th Tablet because it would sort of make sense in the progression of the story that that tablet would deal with the creation of the Earth.
The book of Enoch was removed. Where were these books and why only 66 books in the bible? Just doesn't add up. There were literal books removed to hide their lies to protect you from reality.
@@1Corinthians15_1-4 ah, you poor Gnostic. Always caught up in your hubris by having an eternal chase of the esoteric. In the end, you only approach the Gates of Hell to be let in. No books were removed lol. This is so easily disproven. It was simply never added.
So...the talking donkey is not a donkey? Is it divine too?
Some how I have a problem seeing that God didn't know what was going to happen and that it was not part of His plans
I keep thinking this is not plan B.
As far as this being a metáfora 100%
"The fall", a.k.a. "God's fail"
Any rational person would obey a talking serpent because it's obviously communicating via Divine intervention.
I'm no scholar but it's my theory that in perfection we were able to talk to the animals. We lost the ability due to the fall!
Perhaps, but that's not really what's going on here.
"In perfection"-what do you mean by this?
Dr H. typically leaves out possibilities and alternative explanations. I'm not saying it's intentional but I don't understand why he cannot come up with other simple explanations. It seems to be an issue with intellectual types. I just had a thought that I might explore. He's constantly presenting false dichotomies and strawmen. I'm gonna leave this comment and listen to the beginning again.
@@truthbebold4009 because he's not tying to explain away a problem. His explanation is rooted in the language itself, not sine perceived problem.
Also, when you compare Genesis 3 to what Revelation says about Genesis 3, it certainly seems that God, through John, is making it pretty clear that: serpent=dragon=the devil.
Meaning the serpent was never *just* an animal who could talk.
So right off the bat he says he believes it's a divine being, not a member of the animal kingdom (at times he'll use a word like 'perhaps' which is proper). Ok, that it? That's the options? Obviously not every single wild idea needs to be entertained but don't leave it the really good options.
Just a direct question to Dr. Heiser. When exactly did Satan fall? At the same time as Adam and Eve or earlier?
He doesn’t seem to read CZcams comments sadly, but he is definitely of the view that it was at the same time.
Those who believe it was before are often the ones to hold to the view that it was a literal serpent, been used as a kind of puppet by Satan, like Balaam’s donkey was used by God.
Where do you get the scripture that says the being is a Divine being because you keep referring to the being as a divine being where do you get that from the text… we’re does the scripture say that it is a Divine being and not an angelic being…
He does explain that bit, I think. Also, the Septuagint sometimes equates the Hebrew term Elohim with Angels in Greek, but that's not the original meaning. The Serpent is of course Satan, and he's the god of this world, until God's Kingdom takes his power away.
Read the english translation of the Georgian bible... Its very specific. It was ALL about genetic modification.
Is Azazel Satan’s real name/identity?
in the story of adam and eve, lucifer is always deceiving adam and eve by changing his form; even though it's apocrypha, it and other ancillary reading helps understand our edited-edition "Bibles", aka every translation--one of lucifers greatest feats
Why didnt he appear like a angel maybe because he lost the look of being a divine angelic being
How can God then judge us when He gave us totally into the enemy's power? Is God only interested in our despair and suffering? Is God good? Or is He just better than the devil? If God sends delusion and lying spirits then there is no truth. Please help me.
God gave us free will. He didn't leave us as His creation because He purposed for the Seed, the Messiah, Jesus to rescue us and bring us back into His Heavenly Family. We are His children through faith in Christ.
With all that said, here's some deep deep theology: is it a hot dog really just a sandwich?
Wrong. The text says, “the serpent was the most Wiley of the creatures made by God.”
Tell a kid "don't do" and you can be sure they'll do the opposite. God wanted the fruit to be taken, but wanted it mankind's choice
God tells us the things we need to know at the time. At the time of the garden, all Adam and eve needed to know was the fact that they had it made, and all they needed to do was avoid the tree if they wnated things to stay as they are. He made the tree and it represents a choice. God's all about relationship, so the tree was a choice to leave the relationship - divorce from God. The Bible says "apart from me you can do nothing." and the tree took us apart from God. This is why God says "you eat of this, you will die". Because divorces is a death. Thats why all sin produces is pain, suffering, and death. And we spiritually divorced God. He knew it would be eaten, but he had a plan to overcome it. To graft us back in with his love, sacrifice, and forgiveness. We're harlots. But through our fall, God revealed a greater dimension of his love and character that never would have been revealed. He didn't need to reveal it, but He did to save us.
Did anyone think in context it wasn’t a divine being?
Right? Does it take a philosophic professor to unlock this idea. 🤦♂️
To be fair, I don't think anyone ever explained it well. They just say "Satan appeared as a snake"
That’s interesting…wasn’t it a bronze serpent that god used in numbers…? 🧐😨
I never knew people thought an actual animal, animal alone deceived man.
I have never heard of anyone believing that. Apparently it never occurred to Heiser that it was an actual animal kingdom serpent under the control of the supernatural being (I would never refer to it as divine like Heiser does).
One defect in this theory is that scripture does show actual animals speaking by Spiritual influence as in the case of Balaam’s donkey in Numbers 22:28 and quoted by Peter as being a dumb animal in 2 Peter 2:16. I see many swooning over this man’s theories but I get whiffs of Gnosticism when I listen! Acts 17:11!
Uh... the garden was a literary device to convey a myth... talking serpent? Tree of good and evil? Tree of life? Yikes.
“Yikes”?? Drama much?
@@johnyork-fj4lo huh
Yet God states that Man is what he thinks of
It's also proven that we live in a matrix
So if we refuse to give life to Lucifer
Do he exist in our world
This world is the space that humanity is to remember that we are god's
Which is stated in the old testament and lived through the life of Jesus Christ
Divine or angelic? Isn’t only God divine?
Psalms 82:1:
"1 A Psalm of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of the mighty; he judges among the gods."
Dr. Heiser has explained this earlier.
He’s using divine as a synonym for heavenly, not deity. Many theologians seem to use it this way.
Dear Mike, "to be killed" is not necessary as all creatures made of nothing are by NATURE mortal. The serpent wished to get man to starve himself of Divine energies, cut off from Immortal energies through the Logos of GOD.
I am sorry but y’all need to read the New Man by Thomas Merton he explains this much better it’s really good.
Dr. Heiser, If you don't believe the deceiver was a member or took on the form of a member of the animal kingdom, what's your position on God cursing the serpent to walk on its belly as we see today?
That is Jewish LIES. So many corrupted translations. For instance, the correct translation of Genesis 1:1-2, is as follows: "The first-fruit, Elohim cut down; and the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.." i PROMISE YOU, In NO JEW SCRIBE BIBLE, will you find that. Why? Because the Judeo-Christian Oxymoronic Myth, is what has been used to supress the Covenant People.
@@harrysmith8338 what does the first fruit, Elohim cut down mean?
Yes, this is my point of view. The fact that the text makes the point that Serpents would crawl on their bellies, allied to the fact that in the physical realm Serpents DO crawl on their bellies says to me that the Serpent in the Garden was indeed a physical member of the animal kingdom. My view is that Satan was allowed to 'possess' the Serpent in order to deliver the deceitful message to Eve that they wouldn't die if they ate from the naughty tree. I understand that Michael Heiser puts a lot of weight on the Hebrew word meaning 'Shining One', but I definitely think that a physical snake spoke to Eve. In fact, I believe that all the animals in the Garden were able to talk, and that their ability to talk was removed from them once existence fell into sin and imperfection. I do believe that in God's Kingdom the animals will be able to talk once again.
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If you say "naughty tree" then everything you said is false. A person in their right mind would never call a tree "naughty". Think before you type.
@@1Corinthians15_1-4 Your admonition has no bearing on me whatsover. If you don't like or cannot handle another person's attempt at 'playful' speak then that is your problem, not mine.
I can tell you exactly what happened in the garden.
I planted a shrubbery and the knight who says "Ni" then let me pass.
Please check out Dr. Scott McQuate on youtube, he will show you something you can discern for yoirself. Keep digging!!
IMO, the entire Antediluvian World was Eden. It was consumed by the Deluge.
The Bible itself makes the case for this scenario. Just reading the description in Genesis of the Earth before and after the ELE.
Eden/Earth suggest two names for this world. Pre/Post Flood.
Just a thought. 🤔
I agree with you. I think there were two seperate floods. That is why Yahweh made the promise that there wouldn't be another and set the bow in the sky as a sign. There are two witnesses to this account, the books of Jubilees and Jasher:
And he [Enoch] testified to the Watchers, who had sinned with the daughters of men; for these had begun to unite themselves, so as to be defiled, with the daughters of men, and Enoch testified against (them) all. And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it (God) brought the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden; for there he was set as a sign and that he should testify against all the children of men, that he should recount all the deeds of the generations until the day of condemnation. Jubilees 4:22-24
And the Lord caused the waters of the river Gihon to overwhelm them, and he destroyed and consumed them, and he destroyed the third part of the earth, and notwithstanding this, the sons of men did not turn from their evil ways, and their hands were yet extended to do evil in the sight of the Lord. Jasher 2:6
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I have both those books, and agree.
One that goes hand in hand is "Cataclysm!" by Allan and Delair. (1997) It's excellent! I highly recommend it.
The entire world? No. But a part of it? Yes. InspiringPhilosophy is a big theologian and apologist on CZcams and he seems to have found Eden, and it’s currently underwater in the Persian Gulf lol. He used tracking of ancient riverbeds that we can still see in the ocean and I think underground using LIDAR detection
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I am aware of that research. My point of view use to be similar.
However, along with the Biblical description of the Antediluvian world, and accounts in the books of Jasher and Jubilees, along with evidence found in ice cores, etc. I think it's more than that.
Today, we call this world "Earth". What I'm suggesting is, the Antediluvians called it "Eden". This is after 20+ years of study on this subject.
Truly, I look forward to the results of that research! If they were to find something, a column so marked, etc. That would change the things.
However, the Deluge destroyed everything, and the world we know today is remade several times over. I wonder if it's possible.
We know there was a Land of Nod, and a direction were it was, but we have found no evidence of it.
Do understand, I am not being argumentative, nor am I anti-religion. Just the opposite! What I suggest is a theory, nothing more. It's possible. But I'm not insisting it's 100% fact. It's more a question that's been growing in my mind for several years. The more I read of the ELE of approximately 9600 BCE, and the one that followed it. (that we associate with Noah.) The more I wonder.
There were certainly two events. We have proof of that. In the last one, sea levels rose over 400 ft!
I know this statement is kind of all over the place. Sorry for that. I'm not feeling well today. This is a subject I would love to sit down and discuss at length, if possible. And I were feeling better.
I don't know if you read Graham Hancock's books, but I do suggest them.
Also, "Cataclysm!" by Allan and Delair. It's excellent!
Unfortunately, since the 1880's, there has been an active and continuous effort to suppress evidence that confirms these events from ancient sources.
Even Plato's account of Atlantis, while he insists IS REAL, "academics" have dismissed as a fabel of morality, corruption, and Devine punishment. Plato's account is anything but that! I've read it! It's in the dialogs of Critus and another I can't remember just now. Good reads!
Again, sorry to ramble. I can't focus today. Too sick.
Merry Christmas to you and your family. Best wishes for the new year.
At base level Eden means "the enlosure". Paint it as pretty as you want but it simply means "enclosure "...not unlike slave quarters. Read Sitchin.
Lol MH has demolished Sitchin.
@@mikef6063 I watched his "debunking" video and was not at all convinced. I'm a fan of Heiser but Sitchin provides a more accurate view. Peace.
God in scripture never called or chose Theologians or Scholars to speak for him and for good reason. Theologians and Scholars both Add and Take Away ( adulterate ) the written and spoken word of God. If the spiritually blind lead the spiritually blind the both fall into the ditch.
2:10 eden on earth was created to be god's dwelling place? the temple in jerusalem was god's dwelling place. the new jerusalem will be god's final dwelling place. there is a teaching that jerusalem was where eden was. did the worldwide flood move the three rivers eastward?
garden went with the flood...all gone
Why did God punish regular snakes as the text suggests? Who told the divine being/snake what the result of a human eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge if these are the first humans?
The Nachash is STILL IN THE GARDEN!
You & I Can't get in the Garden
The Tree of Mixed Knowledge ( unlawful) is Gone also from the Garden
Because He didn't plant it , it was already in the ground before the 3rd Day.
It's one of the Reasons Yeshua says to be wise as the serpent ( still in the Garden) & subtle as a Dove still in the Garden.
It's why He says Any plant my Father has NOT PLANTED
It's why He says Any Tree that doesn't bring forth Good Fruit is Hewn down & cast into the FIRE
Now when you get to Chapter 6 the only thing that you can prove that is absolutely positively Proven Biblically Fallen is Man
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Can anyone explain to me why God is/was against Adam & Eve having Knowledge of Good & Evil? Plz tell me how keeping humans in the dark with lack of knowledge is Loving. Honest question I have battled with my entire walk.
And plz don't give me (your human you don't need to know nor are God's ways ours) that literally is a nonsense answer.
"Against" sounds finite the way you described it for some reason? I'm not sure God's mind can be rationalized down to just a few scriptures?.. What do I know though? Lol
Time...he also hadn't had them eat from the tree of life...I suspect he was preparing them for something
I think is more appropriate understand that the proposition of this devine being for humans, was that they should decide what's good or bad by their own terms and not by the wisdom of God. That's one of the big three rebellions that appear in Genesis.
I just heard if we knew the Knowledge Man would destroy himself as the Elites are doing
@@sammylacen1062 Interesting perspective.. I wonder how many interpretations it would take to have this conversation inevitably find its way back to the Word which is God's wisdom correct. This line of rationalizing seems to be circular in nature. I wonder if that makes Jesus, the off ramp? To where tho? Maybe a type of thinking/relationship that resonates fully with the mind of Father God. Also Adam walked physically with God, we don't get that luxury. We rely on spirit, which is internal. Plus external experience and knowledge. We get wisdom from reading the Word/Truth and applying that to our reality the best we can. Our Hope is that once we place Jesus on the top of our universe/top of pyramid/3rd eye. We can trust He has our back no matter what happens. Everything under the sun is His to control and judge. If you believe that then the best advice from here would be to follow your heart & mind. Internal will always trump external if you are tethered to Him properly. In my opinion of course lol
Oh. I thought all this time is was a garden snake that did this to mankind
Nothing happened in the garden….. it’s just a myth.
what is your fate if you are wrong and spread falsehoods?
@@dumbcat What is your fate for spreading lies?
@@dumbcat What is your fate if Islam is true?
Why was that divine beguiling being allowed to tempt God's children?
Why do you ask in the past tense.
@@bobgriffith1810 in the very first temptation in the garden of Eden... why did God permit that to happen? Was it a test? He knew what would happen. He saw Eve get too far from Adam's side. God could've told Adam what was about to happen. Adam was 9 feet tall or more he surely could've run to Eves side.
I'm simply trying to understand this which has bothered me all my life. Free will? But if God knew which He certainly did He could've stopped it.. It was allowed.
Why? Ego? Free will? Test? As a mother I would counsel my offspring. Rush to be in between danger and them. Protect them. Prevent danger to best of my ability. I will never truly get it. God or a guardian unseen force has saved me multiple times throughout life.
@@rhondadean5455 Yep I've said the same thing also! I am a person of faith but something don't seem right! The hell thing messes me up also! Jesus taught me to love my enemies and do good to those who do evil to me but His enemies its eternal torture,DANG! I want to understand but do not!🥴🙏
@@michaeldennis7952 if you're serious, start here. czcams.com/video/0ZgIPmUptoU/video.html
and pray your guts out, and you will be delivered into the truth, and the truth will set you free. God is not an evil, insecure, capricious, vindictive monster.
@@michaeldennis7952 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts".
Who didnt believe the 'snake' was satan????? This is no revelation. And actually, that includes the tree, in hebrew the root word is backbone.
Oh I know this one. Curiosity got the better of them! And it cost them everything.