All Things China with Cindy Yu
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My guest today is Cindy Yu. Cindy Yu is an assistant editor at the Spectator Magazine, and she's the host of the "Chinese Whispers" podcast, which is actually one of my favorite podcasts.
We talk about whether China will invade Taiwan. We talk about whether the West should adopt a Cold War-like mentality towards China. We discuss the phenomenon of Chinese espionage in the West. We talk about the wave of immigration from Hong Kong into the UK. We discuss the nosedive in China's birthrate over the past 10 years. We talk about the so-called century of humiliation. We talk about the legacy of Xi Jinping. We also talk about the apparent futility of the democracy movement in China and much more.
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Although I think Cindy Yu is a reasonably honest source, there was plenty in this conversation that just doesn't ring true, like the high degree of Han Chinese in China. That's a CCP talking point that people just accept, but the truth is that China has a long history of penalizing minorities and many minorities claim to be Han Chinese, when they aren't.
You should interview Chris Chappell or Lele Farley for some additional insight into China and Chinese policies.
I can tell you from my own experiences, although it seems reasonable that a transplanted Chinese person with access to the culture would have more insight, the real China often isn't easily shared with them, as Chinese people fear it getting back to them via the CCP - they're much more honest with foreigners who appear not to have any potential ties.
Just to clarify: the civil war between Mainland and Taiwan has not officially ended yet. Taiwan is a province of China, stated clearly in both PRC's and ROC's constitutions. "Invade" is the wrong word to begin with. Please study a bit history of China and get your fact straight. "Reunification with Taiwan through force" might be the more appropriate expression.
Taiwan will be the next ukraine, 2 wars right now and a 3rd america is egging on with iran and a 4th with the vassal state of phillipines that the US once bombed and now has 4 US bases on it, do you western dopes not get sick of wars and trying to take over the world??
@@bearpolo3618 If the CCP wanted Taiwan, it should not have lied about "one country, two systems" in Hong Kong.
When the CCP lied about that, they made it impossible for China to be unified in this way. There are two choices: when the CCP falls, can Taiwan be a part of China; or, when the CCP releases all pro-democracy protestors in Hong Kong and stops trampling the rights of the people on Hong Kong.
No outside country "forced" the CPP to lie about Hong Kong. Their lies are their own, and no people should be forced to accept a government that lies like that.
"Should there be a Cold War between China and the West?" -- Yes, but you have to have an ideological dimension to it.
Clearly, that is Authoritarian Bureaucracy vs. Liberty-minded Democracy -- the idea that central planning by a monolithic expert class produces the best decisions, vs. the idea that distributed cognition informed by a population free to explore and debate different ideas, produces the best decisions. There is clearly appetite for this in Britain -- that's what Brexit (and the surrounding debate) was all about.
The Information Revolution has made it possible for distributed cognition to come up with the right answers on subjects like Covid, more rapidly and more accurately than the bureaucrats could or would. Independent news sources give us the ability to be free from The Narrative(TM) that our elites keep pushing. Our population can make better decisions than ever, and the bureaucrats are so ideologically captured as to make worse decisions than ever.
This is worth speaking up for at the very least, and even in some crises like we've had in the past, worth fighting for.
Through Cindy Yu was a Chinese, her views were a mimicking from a western lens, very different from views of Chinese who lived in China or South East Asian. If I did not see her face, I would thought that she was a Caucasian.
To really understand China, go visit China and immersed in Chinese society...
Agree. To be fair, she makes lots of balanced views of China, but in the end, she is raised in the ULK and has been fed lots of China Gov = ccp =evil for so long from the MSM., and likely she lives in a nicer area of London, where the crime rate is low. It's funny how she is shocked about CCTY in China, while London has the highest CCTY per population in the West!
No need to go to China, Just look at the report a Chinese family fleeing away from China is enough..
just the name alone, says the views will be slanted in a certain direction.
This girl is young and educated in the West, her history of China is more Anglo-Saxon version and interviewed by Hughes, a Christian name!!
Lol she is correct (I am Chinese born in Shanghai)
No need to beat around the bush, be honest and direct, just say the right term 'Opium War". Keyu Jin is the real China expert.
Jin is in a class of her own
And her dad is in ccp....
Democratic reform works when it happens organically, not when it is forced by other people on another Country.
The word "invade" already introduced bias from most of the western's minded 😅
I stop listening to anybody when they start talking about 'democracy' with a sanctimonous tone. China has a population of 1.4 billion people and 93% support their govt which is something not seen in most 'democratic' country. Plus they are living in the best period of their history.
Use your logic even somtimes, if Chinas way is good why there are still so many fleeing away from China?
🤣😂🤣😂....🤡
Odd how so many autocratic governments have high favoritism... hmm
Good to see Cindy Yu has more realistic view of China than common misconceptions by West. But a bit disappointed at the fact she is also taking West thinks as starting point. For example she takes Democracy as a Goal by itself, versus Democracy should serves the people. A case in point, does Democracy help India more than? But giving her credit, she did ask whether Arab Spring is good for local people or not? But only in the context of transition, not Democracy as a Goal.
For Hong Kong, HKers also had huge emigration right before 1997. And most of them regretted it because they missed Golden period of Hong Kong Development. A similar thing could happen here.
For the National Security Law, HK was supposed to make that Law themselves according to the Basic Law. they failed and the Central government was forced to step in an make it. It is more a Failure of HK people, or specifically the Democratic force in HK, than CCP not honoring the One country Two System. She did not know the real history here.
Dude if she doesn’t tow the line she looses her position in the dying western media industry.
The lady Cindy need go China study with grade one
What country cares about moral when it comes to international politics? UK? USA? Not really ...
If you want to know about China, you need to interview people who were born and raised in China. It's a simple concept.
Not true. Try to interview the little pinks.
@@xiu-li If you interview little pinks, you get little poop.
@@xiu-li Really, are you this stupid?
Even though she is chinese, she was educated in the UK since the age of 10. Her views are mostly western base, though she has some knowledge of china and the ccp but she sees china through the western lenses. I am not going as far as saying she is biased, but she doesnt really u derstand china all that well to speak on it it would be intersting to see her debating against keyu jin on issues of china.
Broaden your horizons
@@j.s3300 yeah on matters that are reverent ,her shit is biased and she just followed the china haters sentenment! Seen many!
Absolutely agree. And her comment about the Russian political party system behind Putin, a dead giveaway at her lack of political knowledge, other than western political propaganda.
@@j.s3300😂 you’re clueless. Follow your own advice.
@@PikachooUpYou clueless about?
How can China invade China?
Look at Taiwan's official name.
It says it in their passports, official currency, birth certificates and in their own constitution.
How can anyone say that the Republic of China is not a part of China 😂
Reunification under the Republic of China and recovered South Tibet (a territory larger than the state of South Carolina and gobbled up by India in February 1951 and became today's so called Arunachal Pradesh) from India.
Because Taiwan has never been governed by the CCP, it has always been independent of China. They share nothin in common outside of ethnicity.
Taiwan belongs to the descendants of the hundreds of millions Chinese killed/maimed during the invasion by fascist japan.And majority of the descendants live in Mainland China and support the PROC government,then PROC deserve to reunite Taiwan province.
@@MathTidbits exactly.
Am amazed that Cindy talked about China’s national interest versus moral perspectives without taking into consideration that US and its allies are also on the same path when they tried to overthrow regimes not in tuned with their corporate interests n the names of so called human rights and democracy while overthrowing governments who were more democratic than the ones they want to put in place.
I find China's approach to global politics is way more moral than most countries. China only wants to claim back what was taken away a century ago and make China great again. China plays by the trade rules and tried to build grounds for cooperation under the idea of "Collective Destiny for Humanity" . Respects each country's independence to chose their own path and political system, and also has great sympathy for weaker countries. That sounds much better than bully countries that claim war on other countries to liberate the people but after putting millions of people in graves or poverty they only leave the battlefield with their oil.
She has some western biases in the way she talks about China. I’m curious about her background
Probably has a YT bf and is a self hating Chinese . She clearly doesn’t know much about China
Wow..love the brilliance n humility Cindy showers with Excellent grasp on all these various subjects..
The fundamental questions is……
Why democratic system is THE ONLY SYSTEM???
It's not. A democratic representative republic is. Straight democracy is just mob rule and typically oppresses minorities. Without democracy, the power to whomever is in control can be destructive for the average person.
Just want to say I love ur stuff. I really feel that you not only talk to interesting people, but are open minded but not necessarily easily convinced by what they say. But even though what you are talking about is usually the most important part of your conversations, your calm demeanor paired with strong convictions is why I keep listening to you. So much of what I hear these days is just people screaming over each other and not engaging. It grates on me, and often causes me to abandon listening to conversations that interest me. Where as with you I can look forward to a calm respectful debate that really allows me to listen and engage with the topic. So thanks Coleman and please keep it up.
I thought I read "Will the US invade Rhode Island?"
To the statement that Russia have taken this long in the war with Ukraine, she doesn't understand that because of restraint as Russia expected NATO would get themselves involved full scale at a later stage.
Bingo. She’s jam packed full of western bias.
This is completely false. It's because of Russian incompetency in military planning and false assumptions about how Ukrainians would react. This is well documented in my scholarly papers and publications such as "Putin's War in Ukraine" by Samuel Ramani for example among others.
@@PikachooUpYouHow is giving facts Western bias? 99% of the lies come from the Krelim side
She does not understand military neither
What can I say...I believe the economy can survive the loss of one person. How about you Cindy?
This lady is not a military strategist. It’s wrong question for her. It’s beyond her capabilities. Btw over 1 million people died in the US during covid.
CCP already invaded the world with fentanyl, CCP virus COVID, tiktok, shein, EVs (with help from climate change socialists), etc.
But she did not refuse to answer the question 😂
One cannot invade oneself.
You should talk to Carl Zha about China.
Disappointed, Cindy Yu is at best only a pseudo China “expert”. Too many inconsistencies vs reality on the ground & her opinions are not thought through.
Great discussion - really enjoyed her thoughtful knowledgeable considered points.
KeYu Jin is clearly the EXPERT
She's so delightful and super honest. Great choice Coleman
Yes she was lovely. Did I see a bit of chemistry there? Coleman if you like her , ask her out quickly, before some other lucky guy does.
would be a great match. imagine kids@@sc3304
☢☢ she's a propaganda piece from the UK/USA! repeating the same from BBC, CNN, FOX, etc! the west is more racist, lives in a propaganda bubble, and has a bigger aging crises than China. Not to mention the endless social issues in US UK EU...crime, homeless, debt, health issues in the west. I live in the USA and fear being a victim of mass shootings and I live in an upper-class area! Our social fabric is ripped beyond repair.
@@sc3304 I felt the chemistry too!
@@theoriginal4ever7 I also thought there was chemistry!!
I was working in China for several months. One day in 2012, me and my American colleagues were having dinner with a senior leader of this publicly traded company. He asked us if we thought China would ever change. He was asking if we thought China would become more western. Things seemed pretty nice to us in China in 2012. He retorted, with some vigor, that no, China will never change! He said the Confucian mindset locked them into a dynamic where the Emperor du jour is always right or, at least, just the Emperor and that is the end of the story. This man and his family currently away from China and have no desire to return.
Democracy in China is a fool’s errand. Another way of looking at it is that China, internally, is so culturally and politically diverse where, should the Iron Fist relax, the country could fall apart due to its own internal centrifugal forces. For the sake of “harmony,” the CCP will always make the case that they are a necessary evil.
This was a great episode! I've seen Cindy Yu on Spectator TV, but never really heard her talk at length...
For the longest period of time, Taiwan had been the home to its indigenous tribes, of which today there are over a dozen.
>In the 17th century the Spanish attempted a bit of colonization in the north, while the Dutch at the South.
>The Dutch kicked the Spanish out, but were then kicked out themselves by a half Japanese half Chinese Ming Dynasty loyalist Koxinga. He viewed Taiwan as a base to get settled and prep for the "retaking of the mainland", as he believed that the Ming Dynasty was and should be the rightful dynasty in what we call mainland 'China'. He never achieved this and died in Taiwan. His son took over, and then his son after that, who eventually surrendered to the Qing Dynasty in 1683
> I believe the Qing only cared to attack Taiwan and defeat Koxinga's "Kingdom of Tungning" because these Ming loyalists were there. They might have never done so if they weren't. Following this, the Qing slowly sent people to Taiwan, but at most held effective jurisdiction along the West coast of Taiwan, roughly 40% (?) of Taiwan. "Historians refer to this period as "Every three years an uprising, every five years a rebellion."(三年一反、五年一亂)."
It was said that they didn't really care too much for Taiwan, that they viewed it as a distant land that was unimportant and too troublesome to care about (there was malaria in Taiwan).
>It wasn't until 1887 that Taiwan was formally made into a province, although still only having had effective control of a fraction of Taiwan.
>After a defeat by the Japanese, the Qing ceded Taiwan to Japan (a reminder that the indigenous tribes were never consulted, a sad trend in history). The Japanese colonized Taiwan for 50 years.
>After the Japanese were defeated in WW2, Taiwan was effectively handed to the ROC (Republic of China). Some Taiwanese people today agree with this decision, and those who dislike the ROC/KMT disagree with decision. (some like to point out that a vote was never conducted to see what the inhabitants of Taiwan wanted at the time). I am personally curious to know what percentage of Taiwanese people in 1945 would've wanted the ROC to take over and how many didn't.
It's important to note that they were the ones that enforced the Mandarin language onto Taiwan; prior to this they spoke Hokkien in Taiwan for centuries. They implemented their Chinese culture and education onto Taiwan, teaching the people to have a Chinese identity. There was friction between the Chinese who came to Taiwan after 1945, and the other Han Taiwanese people who were already there.
>Some view that the ROC/KMT defended Taiwan and its islands from communist expansionism, while others viewed that they made Taiwan and the Taiwanese a target by coming and setting up shop in Taiwan. It is true that at the very beginning, the CPC/Mao said that they would treat Taiwan as independent after the Japanese left, just like how they viewed how Korea would be treated. So it is possible that if the ROC/KMT, never took Taiwan, that the PRC would have left Taiwan alone, but who really knows?
> Like Koxinga, Chiang Kai Shek also viewed Taiwan as a base to get settled and prep for a "retaking of the mainland" as he obviously believed that the ROC was the rightful government of China. He never achieved this, and died in Taiwan, like Koxinga, and like Koxinga, his son took over as President.
How Taiwan democratized is an interesting topic. The ROC was *supposed* to be a democratic China, but some argue because they were dealing with warlords in China, and then a Chinese Civil War, followed by a Cold War that they "had" to be stringent to ward off communist expansion. I think the Chiangs wanted the ROC to eventually be democratic, but wanted to wait until they felt it was "safe" to do so. So I think you could attribute the democratization of Taiwan to grassroots activism of Taiwanese people, the slow willingness of Chiang's son Chiang Ching Kuo to transition to democracy, and also pressure from the international community/the US.
It's important to note that Taiwanese people amongst themselves disagree and argue about these things, the history, what should/shouldn't have been, identity, etc etc. The one commonality is that we don't want to be invaded and annexed by a foreigner power (in today's case the PRC).
Lastly I'll just note that the PRC has *never* held Taiwan in any century, decade, year, month, week, or day in history, and more importantly do not have the consent of the people of Taiwan. They view Taiwan as territory/property, not the Taiwanese as family.
who's they? the only people that have that authority is the republic of china and the taiwanese people, and they don't want to do that
Taiwan will not be an independent country and it must be reunited with China. There can only be one China. They lost the civil war and the reason they've been self governing for so long it's because America threatened China when they were weak. Can the southern state be an independent country after America civil war?
The best foreign policy is always interests-fiirst while convincing as many as possible that it's morals-first.
If East & West Germany can be reunited, why not mainland China & Taiwan?
I used to think this guy was a free thinker but not, what a pity
As an Englishman, was a little surprised and disappointed by Ms Yu. Obviously she feels a need to justify her career, but one only has to listen to the American government on China for five minutes to realise U.K. and European understanding of China is much better in general.
What a fantastic conversation with a charismatic and intelligent journalist from my favourite Spectator TV.
I really like the layout of seats/people. I don't need to feel I'm being spoken to but that I'm listening in and having the presenter and guest more comfortably engage with each other is far better for the conversation than seating more forward toward the camera and turning their head a lot.
Appreciate the conversation topic too
This is great, thank you!
Great video!
Cindy, where were you during covid?
I think she is wrong about the reason why China stands with Russia instead of with Ukraine which according to the west is defending its own sovereignty. Besides the ideology similarity with Russia (both dictatorship), China thinks that Ukraine was part of the Russian empire before and Russia is the one which is defending its sovereignty by taking back the lost land - Ukraine today, just like Hongkong which was returned to China by the British in 1970s. The same with Taiwan
Yeah but claims of antiquity are not good claims. China’s claims are no different to Mussolini’s fascist claims over what used to be the Roman Empire.
China wants Russia to support them when they go for Taiwan.
Agree. She under-estimates how much help China has given Russia in the Ukraine war. Without massive Chinese help, Russia would have lost the war.
@@psmorgan2542 Borders are fluid things. China and Taiwan were and are one nation. But in my view the Taiwanese government should be ruling China, not visa versa.
@@AnAn___ If China is split into a few parts, some parts like two provinces where Shanghai and Hangzhou are will have a thriving economy and democracy like Japan and they will even be outperforming Taiwan. But this scenario might be unlikely to happen.
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Nice dinner conversation…
Typical Western trained (brainwashed) Chinese. I will only point out a few words she used. She said importing opium is “controversial” subject for Chinese. Really? Did she approve of opium for a country to use as free as they want to? Also, she said Chin dynasty “refused” to open up the border for trade. She used the word as if it was China fault for making British angry. Didn’t she have a more respectable word? I’m sure she’s fluent in English. Only in a first few minutes I’m reluctant to continue eating the show.
Disclaimer: I’m not Chinese and not particularly like Chinese although I’m not against them.
Coleman, I’m so impressed with you. You keep getting better, even in the few places I voice exception. Your presentation is always deliberative and always provides time to your guest.
Because you always seem prepared I’m going to recommend Michael Pillsbury’s book, “The 100 Year Marathon”. It is not so much about the Chinese People, as a State-to-State analysis from a non-partizan Mandarin-speaking participant who served every administration from Nixon onward. It offers quite an important perspective I believe.
You should be shamed of talking about this topic without enough history knowledges about China and Taiwan. Damn of you! Go back to read more books. Israelian used Bible to declare the Palestan land belong to Isrealian, where they left thousands years ago. Taiwan is part of China, Chinese never leave it.
Perhaps you should improve your English.
The chinese society hadn't been made stronger to establish the power of the party
The succesfull strengthening of chinese society is a result from long term party policy visions
She has such a beautiful London accent. So pleasant to listen to.
The century of humiliation has not ended because there is a piece of territory larger than the state of South Carolina was carved out by another foreign country and the CCP has been keeping people in the dark because it happened under the CCP watch. As late as the 1940s after World War II, the flag of the Republic of China (nowadays usually known as Taiwan) was flying high in Tawang, South Tibet. Today, the Indian flag is flying there. So what happened? On August 14th, 1947, Nehru gave his famous 'Tryst with Destiny' speech, and with that, a country that had not existed historically suddenly showed up on China's doorstep. India is similar to South Africa, a country that came into existence only because the colonialists created the country and subsequently and willingly relinquished its power to the indigenous people it once subjugated. If the British had never landed in India, the subcontinent today would comprise thousands of fiefdoms often at each other's throats. This was the time of pre-Communist China (Republic of China), and India continued the expansionist policy of the British Raj and continued the land incursion. The Nationalist China (pre-Communist Republic of China) had been sending repeated diplomatic protests to the then-Indian Nehru government, but, schooled by the British on how to deal with these nuisances, these diplomatic protests were duly ignored. When the Communist China won the civil war and the Republic of China retreated to Taiwan in 1949, India is one of the earliest nation to recognize Communist China and in one fell swoop shuts out the diplomatic channel the ROC used to deliver its diplomatic protests. India's land incursion continued, but Communist China ceased all diplomatic protests. In February 1951, three and a half years after the British Raj had left the subcontinent, India finally trekked up to Tawang, South Tibet, expelled the officials posted there from Lhasa and annexed it. Tawang is the last major Tibetan frontier town. It is the birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to the four hundred years old Tawang monastery. Historically the Tawang monastery is a central government friendly monastery. This means the news of India invasion and annexation should have arrived in Beijing within a few days at the latest. As expected the Tibetan Lhasa government vehemently protested, as did the Republic of China (by then has already retreated to Taiwan), but curiously, Communist China made no noise. Communist China's accommodation must have greatly emboldened India as it continued to push northward into China, eventually precipitating the one-month-long 1962 India-China war. In the run up to the 1962 war, Zhou En Lai went to New Dehli pleading to Nehru to take what it has stolen (South Tibet) and fix the boundary along the MacMahon alignment (It was termed the MacMahon alignment and not the MacMahon line because the so-called MacMahon line is a diplomatic fogery and is not recognized by either the Communist China or the Nationalist China (Republic of China, nowadays usually referred to as Taiwan)) but the offer was rejected by India.
Anyway India was swiftly defeated and humiliated (in the minds of the Indians). Immediately, the blame game began in Indian political circles, and Nehru propagated the narrative that India was backstabbed by Communist China when it was evident that his policy would certainly result in military conflict between the two countries. On the international stage, Nehru positioned India as a victim of Chinese aggression when, in fact, it had already gobbled up South Tibet in 1951. India's duplicities have far-reaching consequences beyond the dispute between the two countries. India's lies created the narrative of a land-grabbing, expansionist China, which, according to Henry Kissinger and Robert MacNamara, is the reason the US got involved in the Vietnam War. In 1987, India made South Tibet a state and renamed it the so-called Arunachal Pradesh. The Republic of China (usually referred to as Taiwan nowadays) once again issued a statement strongly condemning India.
Here is an excerpt of the statement put out by the Republic of China (usually referred to as Taiwan nowadays):
"In regard to the issue of the Indian government's illegal occupation of our country's territory and the establishment of the so-called 'Arunachal Pradesh,' the foreign ministry of the Republic of China issued the following announcement at midnight:
India's illegal occupation of our country's territory has been repeatedly stated by the government of the Republic of China as something it will not recognize. Recently, the Indian Congress unilaterally passed the establishment of 'Arunachal Pradesh' to the south of the so-called McMahon Line. The Indian government also made it a state. The government of the Republic of China once again solemnly proclaims that the government of India intends to legitimize its illegal occupation of Chinese territory. The government of the Republic of China regards this as illegal, void, and absolutely not recognized."
Today India has been hyping the China threat to solve its festering territorial dispute with China by pushing the US and China into a war. Indians, on the other hand, are under the illusion that their country is a victim of China's aggression when the reverse is true. I don't see there is any hope of peacefully recovering South Tibet unless China is reunited under the polity of the Republic of China.
虽然我挺喜欢蒋介石的，毕竟是老家人，但也别给自己脸上贴金了，如果不是失去了民心，怎么会全部美式装备和军队上人数占优的情况下输掉战争。这才是民主真正的意义。当然老共也需要注意，他不要失去民心。
Her speaking voice is so beautiful, I was mesmerized. 😍
Rooting for Coleman here.
You got yellow fevah? 🤔😬
@@paulheydarian1281 Haha definitely.
that's what happens when you're dripping in wealth and privilege, must be nice. she's never had to experience the 'real China' she so eloquently speaks about. her parents bought their way out.
@@fs5775 Got it. People with money bad. Very nuanced take.
Regarding security fear... I'm a prof. at a university near a base. Colleagues I know tied to the base do have serious concerns about Chinese students and potential espionage.
All you kidding?
that is the triumph of U$ propaganda, it should be the reverse, the world should fear U$A, given U$ record in conducting interventions, coups, wars, gen0cides, conflicts all over the world. U$ spying on all their allies, U$ assassinations of political leaders.
I didn't make this up, it is public record. Plenty of evidence of U$ atrocities and terrors.
☢☢ she's a propaganda piece from the UK/USA! repeating the same from BBC, CNN, FOX, etc! the west is more racist, lives in a propaganda bubble, and has a bigger aging crises than China. Not to mention the endless social issues in US UK EU...crime, homeless, debt, health issues in the west. I live in the USA and fear being a victim of mass shootings and I live in an upper-class area! Our social fabric is ripped beyond repair.
and yet how many convictions has the U.S. been able to accomplish on this? lmao. Nothing to steal here anymore.
I'm surprised they didn't talk more about China's economic problems. They've suffered a major real estate collapse, and Wall Street analysists have stated that their banking system is in free-fall.
Do you believe what western analysis said bro, what a joke you are
少看点反华媒体的垃圾吧
That's more of those poor WSJ analysts one-side wishful thinkings as lining up with Gordon Chang, you know, China is collapsing all the time for at least last 2-3 decades, 😂😂
China didn’t suffer any collapse 😂😂. Y’all stay getting wrong information on China western propaganda
If she wants to be able to visit family in China, she really can't talk about bad things.
WHAT the hell is she talking about?! No party system behind Putin?! WTF!! Does she have absolutely no clue about the Russian political system? Clearly not, so she really should refrain from discussing topics she is oblivious about.
Talking about who understands who, it must be from both sides, if not problems will always be there for people to dispute…..
If Token n Cartman made a baby his name would Coleman 😂
After seeing what unchecked immigration has done to the west Chinas like, “no thanks, we good”. 😂
China is taking a lot of immigrants and foreign students. Do you think they will stay in China long run?
China has taken a lot of flack for deporting many millions of foreign workers whose visas had expired or were illegal.
interesting since immigration is what has driven innovation in US and what has made it successful. must be why all China can do still is copy/paste our ideas and keep sending their kids to West for education..
China be like "we have our own minorities to genocide, we cannot take on any more"
Immigration is not the problem. That’s what they want you to believe. Who let the immigrants in? The leaders. The leaders are the problem. Stay focused
@@niyibanks9881both things are true
19:00 I'd really like to hear her response to the idea that Xi is the most powerful Chinese leader since Mao, has purged the party of any opposition, and is insulated from receiving any bad news.
Xi is not a stupid person, nor is he out of the world. These two have no idea what info/briefs Xi is getting everyday.
@@hdvoice You have insight into Xi's daily briefings?
@@godsofohio6734 I don’t and I won’t pretend to have any, unlike some.
She doesn’t know anything about China. She just talks to make YT happy
She still travels to China. If she discussed such things she would not be able to safely return to see family.
What a bright young girl. Great stuff Coleman
If we want to know China history,ask the ones who are knowledgable,expert in the field,not all Chinese know China history,you know what I mean,esp. those who spend much time abroad
Overall, she's given us a good perspective on views from a people standpoint. However, she seems to be a bit naive on political matters when it comes to Ukraine and the Uyghurs. She sees Ukraine sovereignty being violated but what about Russia? Putin warned NATO not to expand in 2014 and they were going to accept both Georgia and Ukraine which made it an existential threat to Russia. How about Russia tries ally with Quebec and put nuclear weapons right along the US border minutes from Washington D.C. and Quebec agrees along as they can secede from Canada and finally get their independence? You think the US wouldn't invade Quebec? Hell Yeah they would invade!! China knows once Putin is overthrown and Russia is carved up that China is next!! This woman is naive! It's not a moral issue! And the Uyghurs have more benefits than the Hans until recently! Does she understand the background of the Uyghur situation and where the terrorism came from? I don't think this woman has too much experience in China to talk politically.
What complete nonsense your comments are. Firstly, under the Budapest agreement Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons under the international agreement that Russia respects Ukraine sovereignty. Its gone against that despite Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons. Secondly, any country is free to sign up to any international organisation it wants to, its called national sovereignty. And that includes NATO. Invading a country because you don't agree with an organisation they join is illegal not tome than immoral. Thirdly Ukraine and Gorgia are not NATO countries so undermines your argument. If it was all about NATO then why didn't Russia invade a neighbour who is part OF NATO. And you really think uighurs who are in concentration camps and have evidence they are suffering genocide are really receiving more benefits than the Han? What about Tibet, Hong Kong? Or Russias invasion of Checnya and flattening Grozny killing thousands of civilians?
Cindy...Can you please give me an example of China prioritizing national interests over morality?
UK and the US sacrificed Ukrainian lives in this proxy war to weaken Russia knowing that Ukraine never stood a chance against Russia even before the war started. Today they still refused to allow Ukraine to negotiate a peace settlement with Russia. Similarly, the US is the only country that rejected a ceasefire in Gaza in the UNSC to save innocent Palestinian civilian lives. Why are they doing that? Isn't it obvious to you they prioritize national interest over morality? As for China, it vehemently call for a ceasefire to save human lives.
They just love putting a Chinese face on to bash China. Look at Gaza Strip, these people are not gonna say a thing about their masters.
Cindy is a classic banana, she like many HKongers so wannabe white.
What are you talking about? Russia attacked Ukraine, you should be calling for Russia to stop dropping hypersonic bombs on apartments. Neither US nor UK have attacked Russia at all.
Ukraine is defending itself against an invasion, it’s like saying US was sacrificing Chinese lives to weaken Japan back in ww2. Even if it’s true, if you were a Chinese back in the day would you reject US help ? Or should china just surrender so no Chinese lives would be lost ?
@@MrWakawaka90 The Chinese were fighting the Japanese invaders to defend their country whereas the Ukrainian are being manipulated by the US to fight the Russian for its own geo-political interest to weaken Russia...See the difference?
Coleman i want to talk about Uncle Tom.
Dream on brother.
Both interesting and entertaining from two really exceptional people :)
this girl is superficial merely mimicking western views of china, while keyu jin who has a similar background as this girl, born in china, educated in america now residing and doing research and teaching in uk, is a real scholar in geopolitics who has a much deeper understanding of china's politics.
I think there is a problem with this question. You ask as if China have invaded other countries as if it's a natural thing ask. Why not ask where will the US invade next? or Which country or government to overthrow?
She obviously hasn’t been back to China since she moved to the UK!
Good interview. I think she has under estimated the penetrationof the United Work Front into the UK. In China town London the leaders of community organisations have links to the United Work Front and take direction from Beijing - spying on Hong Kong activits for example and marginalising them. It is rare to hear mainlanders speak out publically against the CCP which the guest did. I'm in the UK and go to Chinese events and is rare for them to talk freely about their views of the CCP. At University talks people speak their mind more and have a genuine concern for where Xi is taking China. But criticise Xi or the CCP - never heard it. The closest I hear are students going for asylum. There are few non Chinese praising the CCP and Xi Dr Kerry Brown for example. Look at any of the more well know anglo-chinese organisations. No criticism apart from criticising the UK Government.
Why is the viewership so low at only 12,000 views?
this girl raised in western totally , smh why most postcasts on youtube always pick up a random person who only in the looking of Asian to talk about China.
Before taking Taiwan, China will take the costal islands (matsu, kinmen, etc) to gauge international response.
You can't take something that already belongs to you. Are you kidding?
@@monipenny408Taiwan has never belonged to the CCP. It has always been independently governed with its own culture, military and economy all completely separate from China. The people of Taiwan also have no desire to be part of China. You are either ignorant or lying.
sure buddy, you can keep telling yourself that the way U$ is telling the world it is winning in Ukraine war. Last I check, U$ legged it every single time, the last one was Afghanistan, country of farmers, then there was vietname another country of farmers, so even if U$ goes to war with China, it couldn't beat these farmers and now they wanna go head to head with 1.4 billion, and an economic superpower?? I would love to see that bro, but I won't U$ wouldn't even defence UKR, people who are blue eyed and blond, what are the chances of U$ saving chinese from China?? Yeah I thought so. @@micki0finn430
@cindy yu... lets talk about logics...i am not pro china or pro anyone...except logics...
china is able to achieve what they have achieved so far is learning from every mistake they had made in the past, such as, you mentioned the great lap forward, culture revolution, covid, etc.
since you talked about these, how come you didnt put more content into it, what did the cpc learned from the great lap forward and how they improve it? this is really the key, since china keep improving their system.
covid, how many people asked, how can i manage 1.4b people with alot of old people in it? if china didnt lockdown as they did, how many people do you think would have died from covid?
so your point, where china is still suffering now, do you think the outcome would have been better, if china didnt do what they did? what i am trying to say is that your point is really just your opinion, but how many people in china would agree with you?
china doesnt need to invade taiwan, cause china is going to unite taiwan financially and economically...
18 minutes in and I cannot listen to any more bias babble.
This was super interesting
Can you superimpose Western values whose credibility has been long since undermined by contradictory Western undermining of such values on another civilisation which has a different set of values??
The great power competition is Cold War II no matter how you look at it. The reality of the process operates in different ways from Cold War I since Liberal Democracies like US, EU, UK may need to be pragmatic when it comes to dealing China due to inter-economic dependency. What Yu doesn’t realize is US, EU & UK have their own initiatives of mobilizing their own supply chains and diversify it to nations like India to be less reliance on China. The 2001 WTO deal with China by Bush admin was a big mistake but that can be reversed. The US & China are not going anywhere but the CCP should be remove. Biden should warned Xi over invading Taiwan like JFK warned Kruschev over installing missiles in Cuba that an attack of Taiwan will be mutual assured destruction. Nobody wants a nuclear war but the only language dictators understand if their own interests and existence will be annihilated as well should they start wars.
I thought a lot of what she had to say was level and even, but the claims that "you can't contain china" and "china's not going anywhere" aren't forgone conclusions.
I'm always relieved a bit when someone who understands the situation thinks China won't invade in the immediate period. I have been increasingly concerned about war kicking off in the next couple of years if their economy began to spiral and Xi needed to distract the populace.
Your fear is based on which precedent where China invaded another country to distract its populace now? Or are you confusing China with the United States?
that is a western thinking. because that is all Western leaders do with a democratic system, they need distraction from public anger. In a country like China, as long as there is peace, the government has full control of people's lives even if the economy is going down and life quality is going down. Look at COVID-19, people are forced to stay home and burn through their savings for 3 years. Chinese people still take it. And if war happened, the local military and army would gain more and more power, that is usually the down fall of a lot Chinese dynasty. When the center government lost the peace time control.
There will be no war if USA stops provoking it
Like how the US has endless wars to distract its people from the Ponzi Pyramid US economy! Or have the people work 2-3 jobs in the US ...to busy to worry! Look in the mirror first!
☢☢ she's a propaganda piece from the UK/USA! repeating the same from BBC, CNN, FOX, etc! the west is more racist, lives in a propaganda bubble, and has a bigger aging crises than China. Not to mention the endless social issues in US UK EU...crime, homeless, debt, health issues in the west. I live in the USA and fear being a victim of mass shootings and I live in an upper-class area! Our social fabric is ripped beyond repair.
Its called X not twitter.
10:25 The funny thing about "national interests" is they are never defined. I'm not saying sis and bro need to define them (but please feel free) but politicians/intelligence/pundits/military/general loudmouths use this term all the time and never specify what they mean. (hint: it's whatever makes corporations rich)
41:29 "China can't be contained" sounds like an excuse for continued Western dependency on the CCP.
Sounds more like a portion of irrefutable realism to me.
@@mikegray8776 Or passive acceptance of the regime.
As distinct from …… ?
Can you really see ANY western state taking on a trade war with China?? Even the US is unsure that it could ultimately win such a confrontation.
The West has FAR bigger fish to fry, in terms of mass immigration and combatting suicidal climate alarmism.
She was born and raise in Chinese authority's family. Which side would you think she offer?
Yep. Another voice in the choir the west has been listening to for the last 40 years
The idea that it'd be nice if China is like Taiwan with democracy. What people don't understand is that if Taiwan is as huge and powerful as China, the US will then focus their conflict on Taiwan instead. Remember this - divide and rule.
Taiwan already enjoy great amount of independence, US cannot buy into some unwise Taiwanese leaders who are willing to declare full independence because China can find Taiwanese leaders who know greater and stronger relations are easier to come from the CCP.
In 1912, the first full year of the Republic of China after the fall of the Qing dynasty, the US National Geographic dedicated an issue on China and included a very detailed fold-out map with the issue. You can see that Tawang and the surrounding areas are clearly within China. In fact as late as the late 1940s after World War II, the flag of the Republic of China (blue sky white sun flag) was flying high in Tawang. Today the Indian flag is flying in Tawang and the surrounding area was made an Indian state and called Arunachal Pradesh. This is a land grab that happened under the CCP watch (South Tibet was gobbled up by India in February 1951) and exists as a festering territorial dispute with India to this day. Until South Tibet is recovered the century of humiliation has not end.
really thoughtful and interesting guest. love to hear someone who seems so objective, it's almost hard to tell what Cindy's politics are, which is refreshing.
Hard to tell? Seriously? Shes clearly western biased, but then why wouldn’t she be if she wants to maintain her career in a dying industry.
@PikachooUpYou speaking from an American perspective and the right/left dichotomy.
Cindy Yu is not the right person to talk to if you want to understand China. Cindy's view of China is as tinted as any Westerner.
If you cannot find a native Chinese citizen who can communicate well in English to be on your show (there are many, Zhang Wei Wei is a Chinese citizen who is fluent in English), please at least talk to someone who had spent years or decades living and working in China to get a better picture.
100 percent. Coleman is a smart guy but, wow, I am shocked this is who he chose for his "China episode"... bro didn't do his homework...
@@fs5775 He brought on a full ccp-supporter just a few months ago. She is an economist I think and she gave the full fairytale of 'one hundred years of humiliation', 'china changing very fast - so strong!, 'china numba one' and all the rest talking points about 'racism' in the west, 'crime' in the west and so on. She literally repeated China Daily almost word for word for the entire interview. Meanwhile this interview was just ... mild. She did not say anything even remotely controversial.
Keyu Jin is far from a CPC supporter. Her views and opinions are quite neutral and are in sync with the views of many leaders of South East Asians, middle east and African countries. Just because someone has views and opinions about China that aren't warmongering and hawkish doesn't make that person a CPC (Communist Party of China) supporter. FYI, Keyu Jin works for the London School of Economics and lives and works in the UK.
you're kidding right? she's a well known CCP shill, daughter of CCP elite. every life opportunity she has had (UK education) has been due to CCP money/strings. She's hardly "neutral" and knows exactly how to play into western liberal sensibilities. Coleman was played. @@civicblade1
@@civicblade1 Keyu Jin is a CCP supporter who hides behind phrasing that sounds neutral when the framing is 100% borrowed from CCP talking points. Listening to her and China Daily there is basically 100% overlap. Also, isn't her dad a senior CCP official? And this was never even mentioned in the episode. You do not need to be a warmongerer to say that mass surveillance is shit, that the national campaigns against 'spies' are totally deranged and that perhaps students and workers should not be forced to study Xi Jinping Thought.
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P.S. My issue with her isn't her opinions, but her deception. I read her book and, as in her interview, her thesis is that the CCP has good 'self-accountability' because it runs the country like a 'company' and rewards success/ people keep each other in check (again, another CCP talking point).
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1 - But when she writes about the 2008 earthquake that killed school children but did not do any damage to the Party buildings, accountability is no longer mentioned. Why are buildings for plebs shitty but CCP buildings are made better?
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2- She discusses the period 1958-61 and said 'grain production' went down but never once mentions the Great Leap Backwards and the manmade famine that killed millions. Where is the accountability in this case?
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3- She even discusses COVID and praises the CCP, saying that people 'readily accepted the measures'. Is that really so? Wechat and weibo were full of protests, which also translated to street protests. Where is the accountability when people locked down had no food or were delivered rotten vegetables while the fresh ones were sold in the black market? Or when people were denied hospital treatment? Or when all black people were refused access to public transport in Guangzhou (policy came from the top)? And since you are so keen to mention African leaders, you might want to look up the letter signed by all AFRICAN AMBASSADORS about how their people were mistreated in China during covid, simply for being black (kicked out of apartments, evicted, denied access to hotels, transports, forcefully put in quarantine - and these were not tourists or new arrivals; they were residents!).
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By the way, the Chinese economy has still not recovered, and it is doing much worse than the worst case scenario they had calculated. Civil servants have had their salary cut by like 20% and defaults are on the rise even today. Where is the accountability?
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She basically just follows the 'dont make China look bad' policy and repeats propaganda about how 'good' China is doing. This is not being 'neutral'. This is being a propagandist. But again, even if she wanted to employ her critical thinking, her dad is a senior CCP official so she's basically a hostage lol
I would say Cindy Yu lacks understanding of China
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Christopher Hitchens
What do you disagree with?
I mean, I suppose you would say such a thing but I’m not sure that it means much.
Rather, I would say her understanding is partial. Most of the issue is Coleman's question. If I were interviewing her, I would have asked her about each of the dozen most influential CPC leaders and get her take on each of them and the interplay between them.
She is right that many in the CPC are pushing back against Xi.
100% ...she might "look the part" but good lord, she doesn't have a clue...
Don’t think your guest know enough about the cause of Ukraine war to discuss China position. Suggest you do more reading on nato’s behavior
You chose a wrong person to talk about China.
Why? It’s true I don’t like what she says about the U.K. which has provided her with the life she now has, but everything else is pretty accurate.
@@herodotus6235 do you want to listen to someone with Chinese thinking or someone with British thinking? She has the Chinese looking and some childhood experience in China but is already a British.
As if UK's diplomats doesn't serve UK's goals and interest. Cindy is delusional. Cindy is trying so hard to fit in that she loses her impartiality ans applies double standards. I do sincerely feel sad for her.
50 cent army?
two of my favourite voices in one interview. thank you
Do yourself a favor and invite and interview Nick Fuentes.
Coleman is a "cool cumber" and magnificient intellect.
Cindy is a Brit, she’s not Chinese at all because she wasn’t in China enough to talk about China
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Nice to see Cindy Yu on the podcast.I enjoy her podcast and watching Spectator TV. Regarding the Opium War , Cindy simplifies it greatly, putting forward her opinion which is the official Chinese party line. Britain, along with France and others wanted to buy Chinese tea and silk, which had become very popular. At the time it was the only source for tea. China refused to buy anything from Britain or any Western country and insisted on payment in silver or gold only. So British and other Western traders were sailing empty ships (other than silver and gold) to China and returning full of Chinese tea and silk. However the traders soon discovered that the Chinese traders did have a liking for opium and so both sides started trading opium for tea and silk. Opium was legal throughout the world at that time and its use was widespread. The Chinese really had quite an appetite for opium and their authorities became alarmed at the rapid rise in addiction among its population. So it banned its use and confiscated and destroyed the traders' stock and attacked their ships.That is how the war started.
It wasn't the "evil" British and French governments forcing opium on the poor, innocent Chinese. It wasn't even these governments selling the opium.It was Western businessmen selling a legal product to very willing buyers.
Stop sugar coating on what happened. The Chinese got addicted because they were naive and lack understanding of opium, when the authorities saw the damage they tried to ban the imports. That is very normal for any country why you see a drug problem you have to take action. The British Gov at the time took this as an excuse and start the opium war, one after another. Don't tell me the British businessman at the time didn't have the Gov backing to sell opium because they have NOTHING to offer for the Chinese in exchange for silk and tea. Warmongers, Colonizing comes naturally in the Western History.
☢☢ she's a propaganda piece from the UK/USA! repeating the same from BBC, CNN, FOX, etc! the west is more racist, lives in a propaganda bubble, and has a bigger aging crises than China. Not to mention the endless social issues in US UK EU...crime, homeless, debt, health issues in the west. I live in the USA and fear being a victim of mass shootings and I live in an upper-class area! Our social fabric is ripped beyond repair.
Right, so don't ask China to help stop the flow of the legal precursor for fentanyl.
The longer this stupidity about Taiwan continues, the weaker the United States grows, and the stronger China grows. Deng Xiaoping understood that China was in no rush. United States can crash its own efforts very well, as we keep showing.
GREAT INSIGHT
positive, matter of homeland security. Taiwan is now under protection by xi.