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  • @scdawah
    @scdawah  Před 8 měsíci +4

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    • @H4R88N
      @H4R88N Před 7 měsíci

      *Honey* comb *and Fish?*
      Ask a *Vegan* to take the
      " Proof of Life " test ;
      For a *Spirit* has
      no flesh and bones
      The *Antichrist* is *in*
      *Deed* Vegan

  • @ryder-m5r
    @ryder-m5r Před 8 měsíci +36

    mansur : at what age someone become phisically mature ???
    Vegan Girl : 18
    england and italy law of marriage : should we tell her ? 😂

    • @dinuffin
      @dinuffin Před 8 měsíci +2

      She is not even right lol.

    • @freepeach9631
      @freepeach9631 Před 8 měsíci

      She is totally right. And your prophet at the age of 53 years took a little girl of SIX YEARS OLD to be his wife 🤮

    • @danoneall4013
      @danoneall4013 Před 7 měsíci +6

      I guess I was raped when I was 14 years old in 1994 (by gf and my sons mother) since she is 2 years 10 months older than I.
      I'm devastated and need help.
      Not.
      Alhamdulillah in 2002, she left, just disappeared and left me with an 8 year old son & a new born baby. In 2009 my sons became Muslim while we were in Syria. On July 26, 2010, I took my Shahadah.

    • @freepeach9631
      @freepeach9631 Před 7 měsíci

      @@danoneall4013 it’s not too late to turn to Jesus. He is waiting for you to turn to him for true salvation

    • @danoneall4013
      @danoneall4013 Před 7 měsíci

      @@freepeach9631 - LoL
      Never will I be a Christian.
      I'm a Muslim. Muslim 4 lyfe. Best decision of my life when I took my Shahadah.
      Come to Islam. Leave the Pagan religion of Christianity. Jesus (AS) is a prophet. Not a ManGod or part of a 3 headed God.

  • @al-hidayah7811
    @al-hidayah7811 Před 2 měsíci +1

    "i hope she will nevr go outside with this post now" 😂

  • @khalidshah5048
    @khalidshah5048 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great job brother....

  • @786theresonly1GOD
    @786theresonly1GOD Před 8 měsíci +5

    Respect my dear brother Mansour ❤. May Allah s.w.t bless you and our Ummah,brother some of the things I hear and see ppl say to u brothers unreal.
    A bunch of birds and ignorant blind clowns my opinion.
    Allah s.w.t save us Ameen

    • @abel7210
      @abel7210 Před 8 měsíci

      @@johnzuma4688 The repudiation of the wife is done in the state of purity and without copulation; the husband must not divorce his wife during the period of menstruation, or during the period of purity when he performs a sexual act with her; he must leave her until she has her period and then becomes pure: there he can divorce her.
      EXPLANATION: Of your (divorced) women who no longer hope to have periods (because, old, they can no longer have them), and those who do not yet have periods: both must wait before remarriage, three lunar months so that there is no possible doubt about a pregnancy
      Therefore, the man if he wants to divorce must wait until his wife has her period the next month so that there is no doubt about a possible pregnancy.
      Therefore, "those who have not yet had their period" does not mean pre-pubescent girls but implies waiting for the next period to be sure that they are not pregnant.
      But hey, this is too complex reasoning for small intellectual capacities!

  • @mrab9579
    @mrab9579 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Im eating a cheese burger whilst watching this 😂😂

  • @thesocialartsclub9095
    @thesocialartsclub9095 Před 8 měsíci +8

    May Allah reward these brothers who give Dawah and have this much patience. They have to deal with such people on a daily basis.

    • @cumar9875
      @cumar9875 Před 8 měsíci +1

      ​@@johnzuma4688you're another trinitarian-polythiest-pagan-terrorist blind believer in the 4th century cult of nicea-constantinople trinitarian pagan polythiesm which has nothing to do with jesus and his deciples they were unitarians even paul the false prophet the self proclaimed apostle was binetarian unlike you looser

    • @cumar9875
      @cumar9875 Před 8 měsíci +1

      ​@@johnzuma4688secondly the verse doesn't say marry little children that's your ill-mind and preconceived bias against Islam and there is women who didn't manusturate who are post-prubecent but your bible said take little girls for yourselves as slave girls for your own and kill women and little boys so you have problem woth your bible

  • @Justice680
    @Justice680 Před 8 měsíci +1

    The best part is when the old man starts the conversation.

  • @recordgalaxy
    @recordgalaxy Před 7 měsíci +1

    In England legal age of consent was 12 in the year 1100

  • @illibega3953
    @illibega3953 Před 7 měsíci +1

    She knows what she's up to,she knows very well that her definitions of rape are wrong but for the fact that her hate for Islam is so high.

  • @omarfarooq5772
    @omarfarooq5772 Před 8 měsíci +2

    bro gonna give her a heart attack from his voice 🤣

  • @Ennuae
    @Ennuae Před 8 měsíci

    Would love to have seen how the conversation got there in the first place

  • @90nadz
    @90nadz Před 8 měsíci +2

    Is there a part 2? I really want to know if brother provided a source fir that man about Joseph breeding 90 years old and if he accepted it..

    • @ryokan9120
      @ryokan9120 Před 2 měsíci

      That's because he's lying. There is nowhere in the Bible that states Joseph was 90 years old when he poked Mary, lol.

  • @shabreentaj58
    @shabreentaj58 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Wah wah wah brilliant

  • @user-rl1hh4ih2g
    @user-rl1hh4ih2g Před 8 měsíci +1

    👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @aziznanat8442
    @aziznanat8442 Před 8 měsíci +1

    بالنسبة لزواج الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم بعاءشة رضي الله عنها لم يعترض عليه الكفار ولو كان خاطءا لاستغلوه وقالو ا هذا مغتصب وليس برسول وحشاه .

  • @mar-vl2bb
    @mar-vl2bb Před 7 měsíci +1

    😂😂😂 brother mansor is to good allah bless him 🙏

  • @publicpm8809
    @publicpm8809 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Lecturing others on morality when there own daughters are getting f'd at 11 and 12 😂 Wow

  • @Letusbeguided
    @Letusbeguided Před 8 měsíci +2

    Wow what a car crash from the vegan. Power imbalance can happen in similar ages too!

  • @baponrs9826
    @baponrs9826 Před 8 měsíci

    Imagine there come a time when people don't get to live up till the age of 60. Imagine that scenario. We knw that people used to live for more than 100 years of their lifespan. But in today most of the people really dies in the age of 70 to 100. and this will get even less.

  • @koolbreeze786
    @koolbreeze786 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Mansur nailed it !

  • @mohammednasirmiah7715
    @mohammednasirmiah7715 Před 8 měsíci +1

    How does rape have anything to do with veganism

    • @animalheart398
      @animalheart398 Před 7 měsíci

      Cows are forcibly impregnated and then their baby taken away on first day so that humans can take the milk. Standard industry in western countries.

  • @haideraman808
    @haideraman808 Před 7 měsíci +1

    My opinion doesn’t matter but you also have to follow the law of the land plus the consents plus being ready physically and mentally and her parents blessing resulting in a marriage 😂😂

  • @user-un2xd6tm7n
    @user-un2xd6tm7n Před 8 měsíci

    Before 50 years everybody used to marry in India like 9 yrs old girl 15 yrs old boy it was the tradition of that time , you have to understand the circumstances and time also if you looking in with technicality , she’s talking about 634 AD

    • @realAgitated
      @realAgitated Před 8 měsíci

      ⁠@@johnzuma4688what are you on about. In england it was legal to marry 10 year olds some hundreds of years back. Gross sickos.

    • @user-un2xd6tm7n
      @user-un2xd6tm7n Před 7 měsíci

      You take a chill pill

    • @thetruthseekerguy
      @thetruthseekerguy Před měsícem

      ​@@user-un2xd6tm7n these guys are idiots. They don't have any objection other than that.

  • @nemuitaka
    @nemuitaka Před 8 měsíci

    Crazy

  • @jamendya
    @jamendya Před 6 měsíci

    Whatever people believe in, just let them be.

  • @zakeye335
    @zakeye335 Před 7 měsíci

    I feel like slapping ignorant muppets like that who open their mouth about something they have no knowledge or clue about, what a waste of life haw do human beings like like that in ignorance I swear it god it seriously baffles me haw can they think about something they don’t have a clue about, and they live their whole life in ignorance like that, I swear I can not live with a heart like that anything I think about Or take it from the mouth of others I’ll never hold a judgment against it until I’ve seek it and I’ve found it I will never pass my judgment on it until I’ve read it or seen for myself with my own eyes I’ll never have that assurance in my heart and be satisfied with anything I have on my mind.

  • @sydneywebb8108
    @sydneywebb8108 Před 7 měsíci

    He just lnow what she is coming from, he not answering her questions he is beating it around

  • @4oneandall
    @4oneandall Před 7 měsíci

    Childish is the correct word

  • @techxbd
    @techxbd Před 3 měsíci

    a vegan wearing leather shoes talking about adulthood....

  • @sydneywebb8108
    @sydneywebb8108 Před 7 měsíci

    He is trying to talk over everyone and you can clearly understand he not going to accept the truth

  • @EstablishmentCrimes
    @EstablishmentCrimes Před 8 měsíci +12

    I really think Mansur Bhai should have broke it down to her a lot simpler. Just showing her that in Islam anything that can harm a female in getting marriage is totally forbidden....
    The Vegan girl seems to be genuine and has valid arguments according to her knowledge but she does not know the beauty of Islam yet....
    I pray God guides her....🤲

    • @sloopjb5359
      @sloopjb5359 Před 8 měsíci

      She is lucky not to be muslim in fact, or else she d have the destiny of all the oppressed women in islam

  • @ahmaunahma
    @ahmaunahma Před 8 měsíci

    the only way to argue with rude and ignorant people is to produce fallacy after fallacy. strawmans, red herrings, slippery slopes, ad hominems, generalisations, beg the question, false dilemma, two quoque, appeal to emotion, genetic fallacy, false analogies, circular reasoning, argumentum ad populum, questionable cause, equivocation, and every other one in the book.

    • @mohammedshabir7119
      @mohammedshabir7119 Před 8 měsíci +2

      But she lied in the first place
      She knew it wasn’t in the Quran.

    • @ahmaunahma
      @ahmaunahma Před 8 měsíci +1

      ​@@johnzuma4688What about the Jewish Talmud when it says that you can have sex with a 3 year old girl?
      Babylonian Talmud
      Niddah 44b:9-
      MISHNA: A girl who is three years and one day old, whose father arranged her betrothal, is betrothed through intercourse, as the halakhic status of intercourse with her is that of intercourse in all halakhic senses. And in a case where the childless husband of a girl three years and one day old dies, if his brother the yavam engages in intercourse with her, he acquires her as his wife; and if she is married, a man other than her husband is liable for engaging in intercourse with her due to violation of the prohibition against intercourse with a married woman.
      Avodah Zara 37a:1-
      The Gemara explains the reason for this opinion: Since a nine-year-old boy is fit to engage in intercourse, he also imparts ritual impurity as one who experienced ziva. Ravina said: Therefore, with regard to a female gentile child who is three years and one day old, since she is fit to engage in intercourse at that age, she also imparts impurity as one who experienced ziva.
      Yevamot 60b:9-
      Rav Huna explains: You must say that the verse is speaking of a woman who is fit for intercourse. The verse does not mean to distinguish between women who have actually engaged in sexual intercourse and those who have not. Rather, it distinguishes between a girl over the age of three, with whom an act of intercourse is recognized as such, and a girl below the age of three.
      Here are just three instances in the Jewish Talmud which allow you to penetrate a 3 year old. This isn't surprising, considering Isaac shagged Rebecca when she was a 3 year old herself.
      This is different to when the Quran refers to WOMEN who are infertile in 65:4. And certainly different to when our prophet waited 3 whole years like a patient gentlemen and popped his bride's cherry only when she was breedable, something that is completely consistent with the evolutionary standards of sexual maturity and reproduction and with common sense.

    • @danoneall4013
      @danoneall4013 Před 7 měsíci +3

      ​@@johnzuma4688 - He did NOT
      The woman lied and stuck to her lies. The old man wanted to be a white knight. He got dismantled.

    • @danoneall4013
      @danoneall4013 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@johnzuma4688 - let's use your idiotic logic.
      So, if a boy or girl is 18 years and 2 months old and they have coitus with someone (boy or girl) who is 17 years 11 months and 29 days old. You will call rape. But if they had coitus 2 days later, it isn't rape.
      Your logic is dumb & 18 is not a magical age. The entire world doesn't even say 18. Some Countries in Europe disagree with you, some states disagree with you

  • @zak9102
    @zak9102 Před 8 měsíci +4

    The last Man's grandparents probably got married at the age of 12 or what he considers underage in the modern day.

    • @publicpm8809
      @publicpm8809 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Exactly and now he is trying to lecture others while in there country girls as young as 10.11 are having pills to avoid pregnancy

    • @zak9102
      @zak9102 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@publicpm8809 also the fact that the LGBT community considers underage kids have consent of switching genders without a guardian.

  • @sewar3001
    @sewar3001 Před 7 měsíci

    Brother could have explained it better but to the conclusion Quran does not claim any rape or encourage u to marry children.

  • @aziznanat8442
    @aziznanat8442 Před 8 měsíci

    كان على منصور ان يطلب منها الاية التي تقول باغتصاب الاطفال وانتهى الامر . لقد نسي السؤال منصور هذه المرة .لانه يعرفه.

  • @2542306616
    @2542306616 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Why those people are so much worried what’s written in Quran about sex ? Uk us Europe everywhere sets law about child marriag. I do not think even less then one percent people follow this . Why Quran in on the debate?

    • @publicpm8809
      @publicpm8809 Před 8 měsíci

      Cz they hate muslims and they keep attacking muslims on every oppertunity, now lecturing muslims on the age when there own daughters in schools are taking pills to avoid pregnancy

  • @H4R88N
    @H4R88N Před 7 měsíci

    *12-14 years of age* 🎉
    Upon them be Peace
    How old *was Mary when she*
    *gave birth to Jesus* ? 🎉
    Is that *classed as a* " *Teen* *Pregnancy* "?

  • @Az-my3fu
    @Az-my3fu Před 8 měsíci

    Wish people use the Quran to refute the disbelievers

  • @rumotorizednosparknoride
    @rumotorizednosparknoride Před 7 měsíci

    she is right

  • @rumotorizednosparknoride
    @rumotorizednosparknoride Před 7 měsíci

    straight how many chapters 112 114 or 116 and you can't prove that Muhammad's met an angel in the cave he just recites it so then a few hundred years afterwards they decide to write it down and they can't even get it straight

    • @Aslipperybean
      @Aslipperybean Před 7 měsíci

      There is so much proof you just refuse to look at it my guy.

  • @786boxer
    @786boxer Před 8 měsíci

    Hahaha savaged her

  • @BurdenofConscious
    @BurdenofConscious Před 7 měsíci

    2:23 The man talking who I assume is called Mansur from the title, claims and plausibly so that as there are very strict rules for interactions between humans in Islam, in particular women and men and physical contact between them beyond the permitted circumstances, such as family members, how can the Quran even permit such an act like rape?
    The lady then goes on to use the case of Mohammed and Aysha and claims that this very case indicates that the Quran condones rape. Although this claim is still open to many questions, she still has a point and I don’t understand why so many people miss it. Islam claims to be an all inclusive religion, has the answers to everything and Allah’s will and agenda applies to all humans regardless of their time period. Mohammed was chosen as a prophet by Allah to set an example for the rest of humanity to follow after so I just can’t get my head around how the idea of a 50+ year old man marrying an 8 year old (There are claims that she may have been 6 even) is in any way a good example for the rest of humanity. Plus I don’t understand this justification of time periods saying back then this was fine and that was fine because things were different. It’s ironic that such an apparent and clear flaw comes from a self claimed all inclusive divine revelation that claims to be applicable to the human journey right from the start to the end. Shouldn’t have Allah known that at some point people would realise that oh wait maybe we should stop acting like chimps and not use physical maturity as the only barrier for allowing sexual activity between two individuals. What kind of god, regardless of time periods is fine with a 53 year old being with an 8 year old? To then have a person who is directly involved in such an affair as a prophet? Surely Allah must have known that it probably wouldn’t be helpful to have your prophet potentially labelled as a pedophile later on and so wouldn’t be very useful in drawing people to follow your religion?
    The gentleman makes a complete fool of himself repeatedly throughout the debate and it shouldn’t be surprising, how can you not when you are trying to defend a scripture that has so many archaic elements to it and tries to justify its divinity in a day and age where so much more is known about our species and the cosmos.
    3:53 Also I think it’s insane when he asks the question “when a pedophile has sexual activity with a post pubescent child, is that rape?” He changes the narrative very quickly after he realises what he says but still is he being serious?

    • @mansoorzaidi8676
      @mansoorzaidi8676 Před 7 měsíci

      What makes you think your claims are satisfactory for the whole of humanity? Especially when the vast majority of human history has ample examples of marriages at a young age? Your argument is a textbook example of presentism: since you currently find something acceptable it must be acceptable for all times.

    • @BurdenofConscious
      @BurdenofConscious Před 7 měsíci

      For the majority of history we thought and did many things that we now know we shouldn’t continue doing, in particular things that have a global consensus behind them. One example is we know racism is nothing but a virus for humanity, despite its presence, those of us who aren’t blinded by hatred or misguided know very well racism is irrelevant and should be eradicated. Relative to the debate in the video, I hope to think that most people around the world oppose the idea of a 50 year old marrying an 8 year old. I am aware of what they also discuss in regard to adult age differing around the world and historically things having been different (I have referred to that in my comment) however my challenge is directed at the Quran and Allah choosing Mohammed as a prophet, as a role model. Don’t you have to say his name every time you do prayers in Islam, for Allah to bless him and his family? My struggle is how Allah thought it would be a good idea to have Mohammed as the ‘last prophet’, a man who had dozens of wives one of which was an 8 year old. Allah either didn’t expect where humanity would go, which would be contradictory as Allah is not bound to time as claimed, or it is playing chess with us. How is it useful to have a an affair like that attached to the very scripture that Allah has supposedly sent us as a final revelation. Since this is the case, you cannot blame an individual like her to interpret it the way she expressed and say the Quran condones rape.

    • @BurdenofConscious
      @BurdenofConscious Před 6 měsíci

      Ofc they deleted my response …

  • @animalheart398
    @animalheart398 Před 7 měsíci

    You can be vegan and muslim and non vegan and muslim. Factory farming is bad though and there is overcoming of animals.

  • @americanninny4918
    @americanninny4918 Před 7 měsíci

    I believe stars

  • @rumotorizednosparknoride
    @rumotorizednosparknoride Před 7 měsíci

    112 in the Quran 114 or 116 which it

  • @user-xc2hz9wu9w
    @user-xc2hz9wu9w Před 8 měsíci +1

    Brothers and sisters that hadith is FALSE . how can you even think that the prophet sws did such a shameful and disgusting thing? Subhanallah

    • @freepeach9631
      @freepeach9631 Před 8 měsíci

      Your prophet was 53 years old when he took a little girl of SIX YEARS OLD to be his wife

    • @MrZer000
      @MrZer000 Před 8 měsíci

      what Hadith

    • @freepeach9631
      @freepeach9631 Před 7 měsíci

      @@MrZer000 book 67 Hadith 70

  • @abdullanasif6760
    @abdullanasif6760 Před 8 měsíci

    Very odd individuals

  • @brendoncharles3418
    @brendoncharles3418 Před 8 měsíci +3

    this man only lies

    • @mubashirkhan6881
      @mubashirkhan6881 Před 8 měsíci

      Unfortunately this shameless behaviour is all too common from these christians in the park!

  • @sadiafortune4064
    @sadiafortune4064 Před 7 měsíci

    THIS LADY HAS NO GROUND TO STAND ON TALKING ABOUT 8YRS PLD ALSO HAS A CRYING VOICE LIKE HATUN THEY DONT KNOW WHAT TO ARGUE ABOUT ISLAM IISLAM

  • @H4R88N
    @H4R88N Před 7 měsíci

    Just *like the diet*
    *She came* with
    *Dead* Arguements

  • @rumotorizednosparknoride
    @rumotorizednosparknoride Před 7 měsíci

    16 in the UK for sex 18 in the us look in up the men out of it

  • @user-sg4vp2hm2v
    @user-sg4vp2hm2v Před 5 měsíci

    What crap he speaks 😂😂

  • @GarudaLegends
    @GarudaLegends Před 8 měsíci +1

    I am a subscriber of hers, so she is not a bad person. She is definitely misguided.

  • @munn7bunnu811
    @munn7bunnu811 Před 7 měsíci

    Have to say mansur don't get to the point. Could of done a better job explaining

  • @venmorcosmetics
    @venmorcosmetics Před 8 měsíci

    Brother stop screaming and explain your point with calmness. It’s hardly watchable

  • @najban2922
    @najban2922 Před 7 měsíci +1

    If a 80 year old man married 12 year old girl with her father’s consent and are happy then why is that a problem to this Christian when it’s allowed in Islam.

  • @tin_k_oo
    @tin_k_oo Před 2 měsíci

    Vegan :D

  • @abel7210
    @abel7210 Před 7 měsíci

    Aicha married to the prophet at the age of nine?
    A majority of stories from Muslim tradition report that the prophet became engaged to Aisha, when she was six years old, in Mecca and that he married her, when she was nine, in Medina.
    Was Aicha really married at the age of nine? Is this story a myth or a reality? To answer this, we will try to begin a critical analysis of the historical versions that are within our reach, while being aware of the difficulty of this analysis. Indeed, biographical information, particularly that concerning dates of birth and death at this time, is very often fragmentary, equivocal and sometimes truly discordant. Nevertheless, we will try to highlight, within this historical ambiguity, certain contradictions in relation to the exact age of Aicha and thus question the infallibility of this assertion widely disseminated in Muslim orthodoxy.
    Let us admit it from the outset, the marriage of the prophet when he was almost fifty years old with a nine-year-old girl is difficult to accept, or even refutable, and not only in the light of our contemporary vision. First from an ethical point of view, from a man, father of four daughters at the time, and also a prophet, known for his values ​​of honor, deference and humanism. We can cite at this level a hadith from the prophet which prohibits the validation of a marriage without the prior agreement and consent of the future bride and in particular the one who has never married before (bikr). However, consent and agreement can only come from a person who is old enough to consciously make such a decision. How could Aicha, who was, according to traditionists, six years old at the time, have given her informed opinion at that age?
    Aicha's age at her marriage is also questionable from the point of view of the socio-anthropological data of the time. The marriage of "minors" according to the current legal approach, was undoubtedly very common at the time, but this concerned those who had an average age of more or less fourteen years, like which was practiced at the time on a universal scale . It is possible that marriage with girls under the age of twelve could also, occasionally, have taken place, however classical Islamic history did not specify this, but in this case it seems to have focused on the very young age of Aicha, to the point of almost making it a religious dogma.
    The age of plus or minus fourteen for the cultural environment of the time would be acceptable or at least understandable, given that the socio-anthropological conditions were completely different and still very recent times at the beginning of the 20th century , our grandmothers married very young.
    Aicha's presumed age of nine years is also very questionable, particularly in terms of classical historical codification. Indeed, despite the quasi-normative consensus established regarding the story about Aicha's age at the time of her marriage, there is, and as many contemporary Muslim researchers have noted, numerous confusions, even real contradictions concerning the different dates on this subject within the various classical compilations.
    We can cite here and as an example some contradictory accounts between the different historical works, sometimes from the same historian and which allow us to seriously doubt the veracity of the version of the age of Aicha's marriage at nine years old.
    According to tradition, Aicha was married at the age of nine in Medina during the first year of the Hegira, i.e. in the year 622. This means that she would have been born around the year 613, otherwise said more or less a year after the revelation ( elwah'y ) which took place according to the versions between 610 and 612. However, in the official Sira of Ibn Hicham, one of the very first on the life of the prophet, we notes that Aicha is cited among the first eighteen people to have converted to Islam in his chapter on the very first Muslims . In other words, she was one of those people who entered Islam, while hiding their faith, during the period which preceded the official proclamation of the message of Islam ( albi'tha from 612).

    • @abel7210
      @abel7210 Před 7 měsíci

      Now if we must rely on the classic biography of Aicha which states that she was born around the year 613, she must therefore, during this period between 610 (beginning of the revelation) and 612-613 (beginning of the sermon) either not yet born, or still an infant or less than a year old. How can we appreciate the religious conversion of a baby of that age and cite her among the other adult people converted at that time? And all the more so since according to classical biography, it was recommended during this first period before the start of the preaching of Islam to conceal one's faith and to keep the secret of this prophetic mission. How could a girl of one year or less have been responsible for such an obligation?

    • @abel7210
      @abel7210 Před 7 měsíci

      It should also be noted that we find in this same story by Ibn Hicham, taken up in other works of classical history, a precision in the list of the first Muslims, concerning Aicha describing her as being at that time "young » ( Aicha, wa hya saghira ) . But what does young or “ saghira ” mean in this story? If we were to follow the logic of classical biography, we would rather have said infant ( radhi'a) and there is a big difference between young " saghira " and infant " radhi'a ". Which confirms that Aicha was certainly young at the time, but not an infant as classical historiography states.

    • @abel7210
      @abel7210 Před 7 měsíci

      Another story, in the Sira of Ibn Hicham, evokes a long hadith from Aicha in which she very precisely relates the frequent visits of the prophet during the first years of the revelation to the house of her father Abu Bakr as well as the preparations of his father's journey with the prophet the day before the night of the emigration to Medina (Hijra around 622) . How can we conceive and validate such a precise story ( riwayat el hadith ) coming from a child who, according to classical historiography, must have been less than six years old at that time?

    • @abel7210
      @abel7210 Před 7 měsíci

      Tabarî, one of the first recognized historians of Islam, relates two contradictory accounts on the age of Aicha in his encyclopedia The History of the Prophets and the Kings. Indeed, in a first story he evokes the known version of the marriage of Aicha at the age of nine around the year 622 (first year of the hegira), which supposes, as has already been cited, that she would have been born around 613, in other words after the Revelation . However, in the same book, we find a passage concerning the life of Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, the father of Aicha, in which the historian affirms that all of the latter's children - citing Aicha - were born before the The advent of Islam ( fi al-jahylia ) . In other words, and according to Tabarî, Aicha would have been born before the year 610, the year of the revelation and not in 613 and therefore could not have been nine years old in the year 622 as is recorded in the “classical” tradition .

    • @abel7210
      @abel7210 Před 7 měsíci

      Another account of the tradition reveals that Aisha was engaged to a certain Jabir Ibn al Mut'im, and this before the prophet's marriage proposal. Indeed, tradition reveals that, as soon as Abu Bakr learned of the prophet's proposal, he rushed to the family of the first fiancé to apologize and cancel the engagement. Abu Bakr, known to be a man of honor, wanted this moral contract with the family of the first fiancé to be canceled according to convenience . If Aisha was, according to tradition, six years old at the time of her engagement to the Prophet (pbuh), at what age was she engaged to Jabir?
      On the other hand, hadiths mention the active participation of Aicha, alongside other women, in different battles at the time, notably that of Badr (624) and Uhud (625). “ Anas announces that on the day of Uhud, the shameful people hid so as not to fall under the gaze of the prophet and I saw Aicha and Oum Soulaim, in the middle of the battlefield, they had pulled their dresses above their feet ( muchamiratan )” and in another version: “ Aicha and Oum Soulaim, ran in all directions giving water to the injured and going to the aid of others” . According to the official version, Aicha must have been more or less eleven years old at the time of this battle of Uhud. However, according to common sense, but also according to the rules of war of the time and which were imposed by the prophet himself (pbuh), only people over fifteen years old were admitted and had the right to participate. in war battles. This is what is confirmed by a hadith transmitted by Ibn Omar who states: " The prophet did not allow me to participate in the Battle of Uhud because of my age, I was fourteen years old, but on the day of the Battle of al-Khandaq, I was fifteen years old then, the prophet allowed me to participate in it” .

  • @Mateweretribe
    @Mateweretribe Před 8 měsíci +3

    Mansaur, Mansaur... stop justifying paedophilia and rapping children 😒. So embarrassing 😳. Learn to choose your battles.

    • @quranchannel4622
      @quranchannel4622 Před 8 měsíci

      @Mateweretribe, hey Israel is killing babies and they are justifying it as self defend.

    • @dinuffin
      @dinuffin Před 8 měsíci

      Are you seriously saying that a child can not rape a child?

    • @atl.4044
      @atl.4044 Před 8 měsíci

      Mary was 13 in some account when she delivered Jesus. So she was still a child. Does that mean God raped her? Nadhubillah.

    • @Mateweretribe
      @Mateweretribe Před 8 měsíci

      In these debates, there is no room for ambiguity. The safety of children must always be a top priority for adults. It is disconcerting that Mansuar, despite his intelligence and outspoken nature, did not explicitly advocate for the protection of children. Instead, he primarily defended women based on his religious beliefs, while avoiding the topic of children altogether. This reflects a potentially harmful ideology.

    • @dinuffin
      @dinuffin Před 8 měsíci

      @@Mateweretribe You seem to be a dancer.

  • @freepeach9631
    @freepeach9631 Před 8 měsíci +2

    You know it is TRUE your prophet was 53 years old when he took a little girl aged 6 YEARS OLD to be his wife!!! ayisha was her name. Just think about that for a minute. Imagine a little girl being made to marry a man of 53.

    • @_1Solo
      @_1Solo Před 8 měsíci +6

      But yet no outrage when 90 year old Joseph had relations with a maximum 14 year old Mary?
      Oh the double standards and hypocrisy is sickening.

    • @publicpm8809
      @publicpm8809 Před 8 měsíci

      U wont talk about Joseph cz u r just looking for anything to mock muslims as u r disgusting inside, u pretend to be moral but ur countries are on the top when it comes to r*ps

    • @freepeach9631
      @freepeach9631 Před 8 měsíci

      @@_1Solo he was lying. Joseph and Mary were both in their teens. Your prophet at the age of 53 took a six year old little girl to be his wife. Do you enjoy that thought.

    • @abel7210
      @abel7210 Před 8 měsíci

      Aisha's age was erroneously stated in the hadith reported on her marriage. It was neither an Arab tradition to give their daughters in marriage at an age as young as seven or nine, nor a morality or intelligence of the Prophet to marry Aisha at such a young age. The people (Muslim and non-Muslim) of Arabia did not object to this marriage because it never happened in the way it was fabulously reported...
      The marriage of "minors" according to the current legal approach, was undoubtedly very common at the time, but it concerned those who had an average age of more or less fourteen years, and this, following the example of which was practiced at the time on a universal scale. It is possible that marriage with little girls-children under the age of twelve could also, occasionally, take place, however classical Islamic history did not specify this.
      The age of more or less fourteen years for the cultural environment of the time would be acceptable or at least understandable, since the socio-anthropological conditions were completely different and that even in very recent times at the beginning of the 20th century , our grandmothers married very young.
      Aisha's presumed age of nine is also highly debatable, especially in terms of classical historical codification. Indeed, despite the quasi-normative consensus established as to the account of Aisha's age at the time of her marriage, there is, and as many contemporary Muslim scholars have observed, numerous confusions, even real contradictions, concerning the different dates on this subject within the various classical compilations.
      I even can cite and by way of example some contradictory accounts between the different historical works, sometimes from the same historian and which allow us to seriously doubt the veracity of the version of the age of marriage of Aicha at nine years old.

    • @abel7210
      @abel7210 Před 8 měsíci

      As proof, the compiler of the famous Mishkat al Masabih Collection, Imam Wali-ud-Din Al-Khatib, wrote brief biographical notes on the hadith narrators. He writes about Asma, the eldest daughter of Abu Bakr (ra):
      “She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, the wife of the Prophet (pbuh), and was ten years older than her.
      In 73 AH…Asma died at the age of 100.”
      This would make Asma 27 years during the Hegira (Immigration) in 0 AH.
      And if Asma was 27 years old in year 0 AH, that makes Aïcha 17 years old in year 0 AH, because she was 10 years younger than her sister Asma. And so in the year 2 AH, Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of her marriage.

  • @MEGGY336
    @MEGGY336 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Mansur Mansur u are wrong here sorry changing script to fit u .She was not wrong .Come to Jesus.

    • @MrZer000
      @MrZer000 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Joseph was 6 times the age Mary, you shouldnt even start

    • @cumar9875
      @cumar9875 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Came to shithol church pastor's prostitute

    • @Inna_Mokhtar-zn5yd
      @Inna_Mokhtar-zn5yd Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@@johnzuma4688child marriage!!
      1. Genesis 22-23 .Isaac married from Rabbicas when she was three year. 1.Sarah gave birth to Isaac at the age of ninety (Genesis 17).
      2. Isaac was in his thirties when the incident of Mount Moriah occurred with his father, Abraham (Genesis 22).
      3. Immediately after Isaac and Abraham’s incident on Mount Moriah, Rebecca is born (Genesis 22).
      4. As soon as Rebecca’s birth is mentioned in Genesis 22, few verses down (next chapter), we read that Sarah died at the age of 127 years old (Genesis 23:1-3).
      5. At the time of Sarah’s death, Isaac would be have been 37-years-old.
      6. Isaac married Rebecca at the age of 40 (Genesis 25:20).

  • @vijayanchinniah8964
    @vijayanchinniah8964 Před 5 měsíci

    Muslim must follow sunah muhamad a philodepile

  • @Letusbeguided
    @Letusbeguided Před 8 měsíci

    Wow what a car crash from the vegan. Power imbalance can happen in similar ages too!