HONDA RC - Top Racing Techology
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- HONDA RC 116,149 and 166.- top racing technology of the 60´s. Small engine volume, large number of cylinders and very high RPM ! All models are 4-stroke!
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The Honda RC116 has the greatest power to capacity ratio than other four stroke ever built, including the F1 cars.
the sounds of those beautiful bikes is just fantastic. I was at a bike meeting and heard the six cylinder crack open and what a unbelievable sound loved it. well done to those Japanese engendering gienisis.
Honda was known for their 4 stroke micro RC GP machines in the sixties. Largest internal combustion engine in the world now.
Sowas Feines gibt's heute leider nicht mehr!!! Sehr schade, was draus geworden ist !! Nur noch fahrende Computer!! Solche Klänge gibt's eventuell noch bei Oldtimer Veranstaltungen!! Ein wahrer Ohrenschmaus!! 💪👍🙋
I just recently learned about this Honda era by coincidence from Allen Millyard's project. Fascinating what Honda achieved with small 4 strokes through high rev multi-cylindric engines.
Can only imagine Mike Hailwood at the Isle of Man at one with this bike, gearbox, engine - poetry in motion
Mike the Bike!!!
Honda and mike, 2 pair that never despair
Yes the master of grand prix and the TT, todays riders have it easy.
Get the recording of the 1967TT and enjoy that.
The RC166 has a beautiful sound!!!
It's been on my bucket list since the 70s to ride any of these Honda GP motorcycles
The RC149 engine was 1/2 the size in CC's than the 166 plus 1 less cylinder, but I swear it was as loud or louder than the 250 6 cylinder. Because these bikes used unrestricted Open Megaphone Exhaust and basically no noise decibel ruling back in the 60's, you had to plug your ears even standing a distance away from them. The Japanese Techs that traveled the Race Circuit with Hailwood and Redman had to have eardrum damage later in their lives. I don't ever remember them wearing ear protection of any kind. People that watch Moto GP of today with Exhaust Decibel restrictions don't really have a clue how loud these Race bikes were back then. That would also include the MV Agusta,Gilera,etc. You will never again see these screaming missles in sanctioned Racing again, You don't know what you really missed back in the day
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Long Ago Never Forgotten Sights/Sounds of My Days Past, & Still LIVE Today!
I love it..... nothing like old school..... aren't those bikes just beautiful...
Gleich noch was, habt Ihr schon mal auf die Drehzahlen der Maschinen gesehen, enorm!! Über 20000 U/ min!! Jetzt könnte man ja sagen, heutzutage sind diese Leistungen auch bei niedrigeren Drehzahlen erreichbar, aber damals, vor 70!!! Jahren war das eine herausragende Leistung der Ingenieure!! Und die Klänge, nicht zu vergleichen mit heute!! Ich bin immer noch begeistert und werde es auch bleiben, dann noch die 3, 4, und 6Zylinder MV Agusta dazu und der Tag ist perfekt!! 💪👍😍🙋
great video fantastic bikes great sound. I've heard the six cylinder honda up close what a fantastic noise.
Love the sound of that 250. Shame the track wasn't longer.
Then you haven't heard the CBX
That 6 cylinder 250 doe 👌
That last scene in the studio is fantastic...what a raspy engine
best machine EVER!
Incroyable les régimes moteur, franchement affolant de 16000 à 20000 tpm, juste magique les 250 sont réellement magnifiques et magiques ,pour avoir non une rc mais 350 cb afamak, les doubles cames de freinage sont les mêmes GRIMECA ❤️❤️💞👌
the dreamy years of motor bike racing
El sonido del 250 y ese Eco que genera es tremendamente intimidante
Not one of these bikes is a 2T!!! Every one of them were legendary Honda Racing bikes. Most were test beds (6-9 speed gearboxes) for future development of became the Iconic CB 750 K1A four cylinder, And Later the 1051cc CBX inline 6 cylinder. My grandfather was the first Honda dealer in Southern California, and I remember these bikes at Riverside raceway back in the early mid 60's(64-68) they were crazy faster than any 2 cycle at that time. I have a few old B/W pics of me sitting on a RC 164 and RC 166 both were 6 cylinder road racing bikes the RC 164 was a 250 cc six and the RC166 was 350cc six. You were a real man to ride these so-called little bikes, they turned upward of 18k-22k rpm. Mostly made of magnesium parts, exhausts were ol skool reverse mega phones.
The RC164 was a four cylinder 250 cc, the RC166 was a six cylinder 250 cc. The 350 six was the 297 cc RC174.
Unbelievable engineering which may be termed micro engineering! Talking about a piston engine rotating at 20,000 rpm, well one comes to a point where the intake suction efficiency is reduced while the explosion expansion rate would render the need of a too far advanced ignition timing. At this speed one could consider that the piston engine is rather inefficient, there is power but its induction and explosion cycles cannot cope. In fact even the sound from the exhaust will start sounding as a jet engine where the pistons behave like the blades of a turbine.
Many years ago I published a write up about the relation of a piston engine to a jet engine. It is known that if the stroke of an engine is reduced, one gets a better piston engine so taken to the limit its seems that " a no stroke piston engine is an efficient engine!" This does sound far fetched does it not? But one must use unconventional thinking to come up with some inspiration that could work. So what I did was to imagine a piston engine where the stroke is reduced to zero. One can do that through say taking a model piston engine used on a small aircraft and modify the crankshaft to have a bevel gear at the side where the crank pin existed before. So now we have a crankshaft with a bevel gear at the back so to connect this to a piston all we need is to get a piston and have a central connecting rod to a bevel gear engaging the bevel gear on the crankshaft. so now when the crankshaft goes around the piston will rotate rather than pulsate up an down. Well with a little imagine we could still make an engine out of this as the circumference of the piston would be modified to include blades of a turbine and in fact the piston will become a power turbine. So that is it there is the relation of a piston engine with no stroke to a jet or a ram jet with a turbine.
It would be possible to imagine that in such an engine the air and fuel from the intake will ram into the combustion chamber where is is ignited and the expansion rather than pulsating the old piston will now rotate the new bladed piston where the rotating power will be passed to the crankshaft through a bevel gears. This concept or configuration would theoretically link how a piston engine becomes a no stroke engine and yet can deliver power. Well after all a no stroke engine is what we might call a conventional jet engine with its compressor igniter stage and turbine stage............ there is no stroke anywhere is there and all those time " pistons" are all going in one direction, well we do call them blades, but they are in fact power piston that do not stroke in two directions. Man's imagination is beyond belief is it not?
serioulsy that is a weird writeup and I am an engineer!!!
zero stroke piston that rotates with fans on it???
A piston engine is a piston engine and a turbine is a turbine, chalk and cheese!!
how you want to blend the two is got me, as for a better engine with a short stroke??? what are you on about???? a long stroke engine is used for high torque applications a short stroke is used for high HP applications again chalk and cheese.
you might as well do a book on a scooter versus a airbus A380 after all one has a piston the other a turbine so you should be fine!
Marc wire, Sir, please revise the thermodynamic cycles found in most heat engines and you may understand that the heat cycle above the piston of a scooter is not much different than that in a massive turbine engine of an A380. They both contain, intake of air, compression of air , expansion due to heat, and forcing something to move with that expanded gas till you exhaust it. Please do not be stunned and blinded by the different sizes of thermodynamic applications nor their mechanical arrangement to exchange the energy in fuel to mechanical power in a rotating shaft or a moving column of hot air. The human mind is a processing machine and needs inspiration and that what life it is all about, we are made to think and relate. Here are some relations that you may think about.
1. The piston engine of a car with a turbo on it, is in fact a piston engine directly linked to a smaller model of the engine on an A380 , where the combustion chamber is common to both. That is one relation you have no choice but to agree upon. If the shape of the combustion chamber in the piston engine is modified, then one can do away with the pistons and and transfer all the power extraction to the turbo either as shaft power or momentum of the exhaust.
So, at this stage, you must agree, that instead of modifying the combustion chamber to do away with the piston, well , I can do what I like and do have the option of modifying the oscillating piston to a rotating one to obtain the turbine of a jet engine and do away with the external turbo. Incidentally the diffuser in a jet engine replaces the piston in an engine which compresses the air.
This may stir up some imagination and questioning on your side, but may I ask you to consider the following question, " If a piston engine with a large turbo, is modified such that the pistons are made smaller and smaller and the combustion chamber bigger and bigger, till the piston engine becomes a jet engine ."
That is basically what I did when I modified the oscillating piston to a rotary modified piston.
All engines have a choice as to where to take the power pick up either at the shaft or the exhaust momentum.
2, A pulse jet with mechanical valves may be considered as a piston engine with many small pistons to replace the valves and a long tuned exhaust pipe to delay the exhaust so that the travelling wave in the exhaust will produce the suction at the intake for a repeated cycle and also the power is taken up through the momentum of the exhaust and not the pistons. That is certainly a valid relation between a piston engine and a pulse jet. Also if the exhaust valves of a piston engine are differently timed so that all the energy in the combustion is exhausted from a larger exhaust, leaving a little energy on the piston just too repeat the cycle then a piston engine can be regarded as a jet engine.
3. A ram jet with no moving parts has a shaped intake of cold air , a burner, and an expansion chamber and it does work at high speed. Now if you modify the blade in the compressor or the blades in a turbine such that the blades will form an intake and an outlet and one burns fuel at the centre of the blades then the arrangements can be regarded a lot of ram jets placed on the circumference of a turbine . The success is in knowing shape to accommodate the thermodynamic cycle.
4. When you consider that the underside of the wing or a plane has a compression zone, then one modifies the wing before the trailing edge of a wing and introduces an expanding chamber then if one burns fuel under the wing of a plane, one can have thrust without using any of the known engines. The shape of the wing itself will act as the lifting body and the engineer both at the same time.
Well, sir, that gives you relations to think about. Please do understand that finding relations is the most important value in the human being, relations bring inspirations and who knows new invention.
Frank Whittle got his relations between the parts of a jet engine through understanding the parts of a piston engine. In fact he got his compression through using a piston engine first coupled to a turbine wheel and it took him some time to understand rotary compressors and a diffuser which replaces the compression stroke of a piston engine.
Thank you for replying.
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I dont het it, how wil you get from osilating to rotating? Pictures of video with your explanation please. Sorry for my crappy english.
Here's the bottom like regardless of pistons or blades of any sort.
The Honda 50cc twin held the global record for decades with Hp to displacement.
Il fallait BIEN ÊTRE DERRIÈRE LA SELLE ❤️😍😍😍, les 5 cylindres 124 cc sont presque iréelle ❤️😍
They should make something like that again I'd be interested 😋
Allen Millard, built one.
All 4 strokes, all amazing!! Thank's for the vid... :-)
wtf ;-;
From what I understand, these were 4-stroke 50cc twins (Two 25cc cylinders). They revved so damn high, that they sounded kind of like a 2-stroke. Or do I have the wrong bike? I know Honda made one of these. In any case, it's a testament to fine engineering when 50cc's can hit upwards of 50 MPH on stock production bikes, like the great HONDA MB5, which can hit 55 MPH. The MB5 was a 5-speed, 50cc, 2-stroke single street bike that was exported to the USA for only one year, mainly 1982. Kawasaki had an AR50 which hit about the same speed, perhaps a bit more (57 MPH). If you ever get the chance to ride one of these
Ha ha! The girl at the end couldn’t believe how loud it was.
Tino Hondu RC 166 som osobne pocul a videl minuly rok 2017 na Castel Combe,,,masaker zvuk.Mimochodom Guy Martin jazdil na nej...dal si asi 7 koleciek namiesto troch.S pozdravom Pepo.
Embah eyang honda nafas nya udah kluar asep putih
Tapi jos wes jek iso playon nek aspal..😘
Wkwkwk betul bro. Tapi sek iso ngladeni putu2 sing luweh modern
Btw 116 itu 4 stroke
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Thanks for not adding music 😍😍😍
edit: I originally thought to be snarky on first watching 3 yrs ago, saying the 50cc was weak, but seeing how Honda was able to squeeze huge power out of tiny engines is awesome. it'd take a very skilled and brave rider!
That's why they became world champions!
@@joepkortekaas8813 I think other factors were at point in their success. certainly reliability was tops, but speed doesn't win championships alone. rider skill is prime and events on track also considered. mass props to Honda back in the day
@@pauls5745 You're absolutely right, but why did you call the 50 cc shite?
@@joepkortekaas8813 I think I was too critical of the cylinder geometry; a very short stroke and large piston would've had no torque below 9k, so to be fast you had to keep the revs up. not really a user-friendly powerband.
I've really no experience riding a high strung small displacement bike. I'm sure it's very different to race these classic GP bikes than today's sport bikes with lots of cubes.
I should edit my early comment. that much power out of only 50cc is an engineering marvel
@@pauls5745 Yes, I think you did the right thing. It was indeed great: over 360 hp/l was (and maybe still is) an absolute record!
Magnifique👍
Nice. :)
Don't forget: Honda specified their HP numbers at the rear sprocket, NOT at the crackshaft!!!
Last thing I am thinking about is motorcycles when I am using my crackshaft.
Very true! It makes a big difference!
Nick vW so it has EIGHTEEN horsepower instead of sixteen. Nice to know.
In reality there’s not that much difference. No way can two pairs of driving gear teeth use anything like the power we are told they do.
@@davidelliott5843 OMG, here's again some idiot who thinks he knows better than the experts!
すごい！
Not really sure but aren‘t 22.500rpm impossible for a piston engine? Heard that the physical Limit is at arround 21.000rpm
NS 50 honda? Después salieron las NSR150 ilove honda!!!
Add a 1mm stroker crankshaft and double the displacement!
Wow really? And other components of the engine and its weight remain the same? They must be enforced.
@@bogdannemes1995the a joke about the over-square design of the engine. It was a brilliant engineering feat at the time and allowed Honda to say that they had overcome the obstacles of designing a four stroke engine.
Honda the best one top racing
Good
♥️🇯🇵♥️ HONDA. 🌹🇧🇩🌹
You can recognise a Honda engine coming from the distance. They just have a particular sound.
What a ferrari is by cars, is a honda by bikes
Sa sire de l'embrayage 🤩🤩😂
Love this channel.
A 1995 CR250 two stroke Honda would smoke them all. They had a chrome-moly sleeve that was good for more than 10 sets of rings and no damage to the cylinder walls it'll stand up and flip you in all five gears
Rick Simpson what a daft statement, of course it might run better. But there is 30 years difference and your road machine isn't anywhere near gp spec. In 1995 a 500 cc two stroke would ball park around 200bhp. Your still miles off.
Rick Simpson what the Fuck you on about? A CR 250 wouldn't even beat the 50 cc bike at top speed , obviously gonna be quicker off the start but at top speed all these bikes would beat a cr , you can't make a comparison .
Talk tonthe 50cc honda rc series that revv until 21.500 rpm with no prblem and top speed 170kph
Honda has a long tradition of generating horsepower by spinning the hell out of its' engines.
Holy crap youd never believe its a 4 stroke .what an eye opener.
I think your 2 stroke single cylinder is broken maybe?
Pelo AMOR de Cristo, me vendam uma moto dessas!. 🙏🇧🇷
Essa 250 aí iria dar trabalho pra Yamaha XJ 600 !
2T all the models ?
Why run them on what is essentially a parking lot?
I think that 250 had a crank of 18-19 parts!!! something like that is ringing in my head....
Imagine if Honda would do replicas of them but with the know-how and tech of today....250 would have at least 90bhp
Actually, the crank of the 250 and 297 cc Hondas had 12 parts. To build it to optimum dimensions, weight and strength, the conrods came in three different sizes. The big-end bearings became bigger closer to the middle of the crankshaft, because there the forces are highest. The same holds for the main bearings, which had a diameter of 24 mm in the middle, and 14 mm at the ends. Read my book "Honda's Four-Stroke Race History 1954 ~ 1981". And forget about 90 bhp, the same laws of physics still rule.
@@joepkortekaas8813 thanx for correction.it is possibile to make such power....and even more.believe you me
@@zagrepcanin82 Then please explain to me how you could get that sort of power. Since the only variables in the power formula are the effective mean pressure (limited by detonation), bore and stroke (although the cylinder capacity is of course fixed), and the engine speed, i.e. rpm, limited by the allowable piston speed. And, by the way, if you count also the conrods, then indeed the crankshaft of the Honda sixes had 18 parts!
@@joepkortekaas8813 rpms has nothing to do with allowable piston speeds.Formula 1 has(d) almost 20 000....it is the vlave springs that do not allow you very very high rpms.but you have desmodromos system and sleeve cylinder which in fact does not have valves so you do not have to worry for floating.secondly I have a new system in mind that I will make and try.if it works like I have imagined I will patent it. what makes the explosion in the cylinder?oxygen right? get enough of it but without nitrogen and voala there you have it....oxygen generates explosions not the fuel.and there is one more thing that is crucial in all this and that is modern knowledge of crafting technics and modern materials. Honda RC 211V had 1l,5 cylinders,265+ hp.....lets say for the sake of the argument that it had 280....that makes it 70hp on 250cc....when was that bike invented??? do you see now my friend?
one last thing....I am 37 y old and I studdied for Mechanical engineer so i am preety sure that this is what I was educated for.cheers
@@zagrepcanin82 Your statement that allowable piston speed has nothing to do with engine speed is pure nonsense! It's the first consideration when designing an engine! You said you studied mechanical engineering, well, you must have missed something. Sleeve-engines are totally unsuitable for high revs, simply because of the mass of the sleeves. Also, your study has seemingly taught you little about the thermodynamics of internal combustion engines. It is not oxygen that gives an explosion, it is oxygen, combined with a combustible, i.e., the fuel. And it is not an explosion, but combustion - hence the term internal combustion engine. So, in the end, I see nothing from you but a bunch of unsubstantiated remarks. And, by the way, I am a university graduated mechanical engineer, worked 32 years for Shell, and was one of the most successful tuners of racing motorcycles in Holland, and am a technical editor for a motorcycle magazine, so I know more or less what I'm talking about! You can Google me.
all 4-stroke.
My ass ,it's a two stroke ,I had enough of them .any one else think it's a two stroke
Listen to a formula 1 car engine revving, and you might smarten up a bit. It's a 4-stroke. end of discussion.
Another thing to take note of, is that these engines have no expansion chambers attached to them - another sign that they're not 2-strokes, as you seem to think.
look on the Wiki (or Google) Honda RC racing. lots of info on the RC 116, RC143, etc
cbr250 mc22 is a 4 cylinder 250 which will rev to 19000rpm and is road legal
the first one is labelled 2 stroke though
apoyemos a omega el gimnasio🌎
Team Cristofolini managed to extract 62 hp from an Aprilia 125 rs.
RC166は日本の宝
I think 116 too
ドライブギアの付け根に福変速が付いててトランスミッションの出力が二倍に変速するンダヨ(呆
Downshifts just as much fun as ups!
この時代だったかレッドマンの連戦連勝時代
Grab a half dozen downshifts and do it again, Waaaaa waaaaa,waaaa,waaaaa,waaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaa,waaaaaaaa.......
i want that rc166 motor in a small light cbr250 frame. would be epic!! and dam what a sound! like a pissed off cat
And unhappy cops, also.
on of the best ever.
Triumph/BSA heard a rumour Honda were building a 750 "Oh they will make it a twin and try to beat us! We should build a triple 750 cc ,that will teach them a lesson " So the Trident and Rocket 3 were born.....Meanwhile in Japan Honda decides to increase the capacity of their 250cc six cyl race bike for street riding to 750cc "We should reduce the revs from 18,000 to about 8000 for reliability . Also we should remove one camshaft and 2 of the six cylinders "
So in 1969 the CB750 four was born and England said "Oh Fuck"
Imagine what could have been possible ,Honda already had a 250cc 6cyl RC166 that made
65hp .The CB750 four was very reliable with only 68 hp and it ate British bikes for Breakfast lunch and dinner. ..And then along came the CBX 1000cc , six cyls 105hp. and what a sound
The CB450 put a down payment on the demise of the Brit bikes. Along with the 305 Superhawk and all the smaller bikes. You met lots of people on a Honda way back when. CB750 finished them off and along came Kawasaki with a DOHC cam Z1 900 in 1973 and did the rest.
You meet the nicest people, on a HONDA.
The old racing bikes make today's seem so ordinary.
Was it Moto Guzzi had a super charged 500cc V8.
Would have been nice to see in action on a real track, not a parking lot.
I wanna know the years of releasing every bike
Honda need a bigger test ground!
Learn your history before you make a bigger fool out of yourself.....you see the dual cam rocker boxes on VERY FIRST BIKE!?
All of these bikes are 4-stroke......they are tiny, miniature, high strung, very peaky 4-strokes. Honda made 2-4-5-6 cylinder miniature 4 strokes to compete with, all throughout the 60's. There is a wealth of knowledge and history to refer to on the matter and I think IT is more accurate than what you THINK your ears are telling you.
Steve what about the blue smoke in the exhaust suggesting premix?
the blue smoke is coming from the inlet valve guide seals, you see under engine braking that it makes smoke, when the rider comes back on the throttle it puffs blue, this is the high vacuum created by high engine rpm and closing off the throttle it then pulls oil down the stem of the inlet valve into the inlet port.
Steve po Yes Steve,then the 350/750,4s that killed britbikes,latterly v tec,honda!
Why do I want one so bad?!
Because 22.500 rpm
Because *V T E C just Kicked in Yo*
(jk
round high and loww Hp
Wonderful music, but the rider has obviously been told that if he damages one of the machines he will be immediately de-nutted with the rustiest bolt cutters in the company tool box.
BONZER.
La aguja del carburador no anda bien o mucho main jet y poca needle
The 6 cilinder sounds like a big cat on coke.🤘
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That 50cc twin is not getting anywhere near 22,500 revs. Frankly he’s slogging the poor thing.
日本語のコメントが少なすぎて悲しい。
ホントに少ないですね！
Ask most riders what that sounds like,it is what it is .
Yeah, and all these riders are engineers, specialized in engine development!
0:44 so much clutch slip! are they starting in 2nd and 3rd they have lots of gears wtf?
Wanted: motorcycle mechanic.
**Must be able to do 100m sprint in ~11 seconds
Rather has a NS400R
スミスの機械式タコメーターだろ？５０００rpm/h位迄動きもしないの、持ってたけど、騙し取られちゃったヨ、スミスって［メーカー毎無い］のに(呆
8:15 ビックリしとるがな=3
Honda=High REV
My Zundapp gts, Kreidler rm, dit 120/125 km/pu, no expansie, 2stroke need backpresuer abaut 12.000 t/pm
And what has that got to do with Honda?
I hate these clips...#green with envy. I still loved my 1960 Triumph 21 350 c.c twin
was machgt der denn für eine fahrerei da. so einen anfänger auf so eine maschine zu setzten. grauenvoll
Der "Anfänger" (auf dem Rundkurs) ist Hikaru Miyagi. Zwar nicht einer der ganz großen Rennfahrer, ich bezweifle aber, dass du mit ihm mithalten könntest. Wenn er denn wollte. Das sind unbezahlbare Museumsstücke, die würde niemand gerne hinschmeißen. Ich denke, nicht umsonst hat Miyagi bei Honda den Traumjob, ab und zu diese Legenden "Gassi führen" zu dürfen.
its two stroke engine?
Mdfucka 67. all 4 stroke
sound like two stroke
Mdfucka 67 its just the exhaust note because such small cylinders and how the powerband hits. they would be blowing a lot more smoke and have big fat pipea if it wad 2 stroke
Navraj Gill s s akaal Jatt walla
Impossible
I'd make these engines run on water. Less than 10 usd is to modify them.
Why put a heavy rider on the 50cc, surely there are skinny riders that could have ridden it?
此、カムギアのDOHCだけど、カムギアのバックラッシュどうやって取るか知ってる？
ヘッド平面研磨してギアにプラスチゲージ潰させて当たり見るンダヨ(呆
ほんそれ❗😏あたいも現物を現場で見てまして呆れました😥使ってるボルト類やロックワイヤーも総てタイタニウムでした😥😥
i know they are 4 stk engines but they sound a bit 2 strokey
مكيفة
Cambia la bujía
now mi 125 whit 9k of rpm its more faster than that shit
Congratulations! I bet my Honda Accord Type S is faster than a 2.4 litre car from the sixties!
Too bad the driver is so big and heavy. Do not drive great either
No idea why is shifting like that
2t 50cc mejor que esa torta
But honda reach 2nd position woth this at iom tt
IF U PEOPLE THINK THATS TOP TECHNOLOGY FOR THE 60S HAHAHAHAHAH , LOOKS LIKE YOU HEAVENT HEARD OF TOMOS
and it appears Honda Suzuki Yamaha and Kawasaki never heard of them either, at least not at the racetrack lol
Tomos didn't amount to anything compared to the Hondas, Derbis and Suzukis! It was only during 1960, the European championship, that they performed well against the Kreidlers. When the others appeared on the scene, they became insignificant.
I've never seen so many stupid, incorrect statements before!
Colin Taylor what are the incorrect statements?
Elaborate if you will please¿ which dont you believe?