Bruh guys listen to this 💀💀 Eren said the 20% is the same as paradise population 😂😂 paradise has 1 million people living in it😂😂 so before the rumbling the earths population was 5m. Marley had 1 million soldiers 💀 so their soldiers are 1th5 of the worlds population 💀 so how many people lived in Marley? 2mil? Ok 2 mil people live outside of paradise and Marley ( marley 2mil paradise 1 mil ) Marley was very weak they were only strong with titan powers. Can someone tell me how they are weak without titans powers as if their soldiers ain’t half of the world’s population ( excluding Marley and paradise)😂😂😂😂💀💀💀
Go back and read it g it says civilisation not population because life and economy in the walls sucked and now that most the world got flattened so did the world outside the walls
I'm pretty sure he meant that the 20% who survive will dwindle because their civilization is destroyed and 80% of the world has been trampled so they would dwindle and die off until they're at about the same population as Paradis, which is probably less than 1% if we assume the world has about two billion people on it at this point which it did IRL around the same time period.
Ymir orchestrated a global genocide so she could watch mikasa kiss eren's decapitaed head to satisfy her fetish in order to break the curse because she was in love with king fritz the entire time, why mikasa? Only ymir knows. Eren was in control of every single titan in the entire series the entire time and went back in time to kill his own mom just to give himself something to be angry about enough to kill 80% of humanity so he could let his friends stop him so the rest of the world would view them as heroes and forgive paradis, so then eren could reincarnate as a bird and then a tree to watch paradis get nuked by the remaining 20% of the world. This is the ending people are calling peak fiction.
The farmer is the king of paradis, eren could lead dina away from Bertholdt, his enemy, in past but couldn't make his colossal titans leave hange, his friend alone The ending we deserve. Peak comedy
if your thoughts about the people who dislike the ending is that they wished for a "HAPPY ENDING" then you dont understand why they disliked it, THE WAY THE MANGA/ANIME ENDED IS THE HAPPY ENDING
" People are mad because they wanted a happy ending ". How was SNK's ending not happy? With the exception of Hanji, there were no casualties and Paradis was only destroyed centuries after the main characters were already dead. The Eldians have been persecuted for something that happened 2,000 years ago, but Armin is able to convince the world to stop the attack literally a moment after Eren kills 80% of humanity.
Hange killed herself to not have to deal with the after rumbling. Literally. She jumped at the chance to go out super cool. She didn't even consider the chance of her living. She could have jumped into the ocean before going to fight the titans which would give her MUCH more time to survive the intense heat. She literally was cut up to the bell when she saved the alliance with that last titan kill if she soaked herself she would have lived. She has done this before with berts colossal and rod reiss meaning she can think, but here she whips off without the idea of living. She decided to die before she even flew. Her odmg exploding is about the only thing that could possibly explain inevitable death.
Doesn't the anime show that Paradis could've actually survived or become super advanced and futuristic to the point where the boy and his dog could be actually 20,000 years after Eren dies? The final OST is even called "to you 2000 years or 20000 years from now" . Obviously it's not directly confirmed how much time has passed. It could just be a couple hundred years, or it could very well be 20,000 years. It's open to interpretation and anyone can choose what they want to believe. In my opinion though, with an OST having that title and even Yuki Kaji himself saying those very words of the title, I would believe that the boy and his dog at the very end are in Paradis 20,000 years later czcams.com/video/zCefVNFwzUQ/video.html&ab_channel=Jamong
Umm... a military dictatorship took over Paradise with Historia mimicking Eren's childish idea of what it means to fight, win and live lose and die. I guess to weird alt-right fascists that ending is happy, but to sane people it is not happy at all.
“Ymir being in love with king Fritz, fine ok Stockholm’s syndrome, but that introduces a plot hole as to why she let herself die in episode from you 2000 years ago. It was implied she lost the will to live but why? If she loved him she would have gotten right back up. 💀💀😂😂😂 nah I’m dead bro this is insane. Anyone who calls this ending good. I have no words. I don’t know what to say
Also, don't forget that, prior to her meeting the worm, when King Fritz gave her the chance to run, Ymir took it! If she loved him, she wouldn't have run when given the chance!
because she knew it was wrong to love her captor and wanted to die but stayed connected to her descendants because of her need for love and connection that caused the stockholm syndrome in the first place??? uh reading comprehension hello???
@@jesusleyva4386 but then dies because she didn’t regenerate cause of having no will to live which is strange cause she is a slave to him so she should have the will
I mean, his content can be very entertaining even if it don't make any sense. You say I'm "glazing", but it's not like I'm fucking defending him. He has a lot of dumb takes, too, but I follow for the sheer sake of entertainment nowadays...something wrong with that?
So we went from people who hate the ending wanting 100% genocide to wanting a happy ending despite Isayama himself saying that this WAS his happy ending. Wow. Just wow.
He said he had to _give up_ on his idea for a happy ending because he couldn't bring himself to deviate from the ending he'd had in mind as a kid. Which is the one we got. It does seem like he wanted to go with 100% genocide at some point to "hurt the audience" but thought it "too naive" as that type of "happy ending" wasn't realistic.
@yuukichan12 To be honest, I don't actually care whether it had a happy ending or not. It's the constant flipping of excuses as to why the ending isn't stupid and you are for not understanding something that fundamentally makes no sense.
the replays are for the sake of argument but they seem so disrespectful because moistcritikal is so wrong about what he say and contradicts himself in the same video
@@luzoroana keep defending your midget idol lil bro. Unlike midgicritcal, we know the problems of the ending for years at this point. Your dumbass just seen it lmao
Yep. Because their first priority now is to please their infantile followers. That’s what happens when being a CZcamsr becomes your career. Just another cog in the soulless corporate machine smh. CZcams use to be so great.
@@luzoroanaThat seems to be the case since the Author forgot what he was writing because at every chance he contradicts himself whether in his Manga or interviews, the point is he messed up and we're pointing it out.
@@luzoroana Oh man where do I BEGIN? first there's the fact that for years Isyama has said publicly and written that Eren and Mikasa had a sibling bond despite not being actual siblings and that Mikasa's love was one-sided and unhealthy, only to facilitate the ending that Eren loved her madly while spending 138 chapters before indicating that he didn't feel the same way because he was too focused on his pursuit to be free from outside forces that want to kill him for his race, the fact that the alliance even exists when there should be no logical justification for it to defend a world that wanted to Annihilate them for past transgressions they didn't even do to blatantly killing their own people who have fought and suffered alongside them from the very TITANS that were sent there by Marley who were using a proxy speech to rally the world against an island of an isolated race from which they on the mainland treat like disposable tools in war to keep themselves in power and forces them to live in internment zones where one disobedience is punished with death or worse being turned into a mindless, man eating monster initiated ONLY by the way by the Very Marleyans that keep abusing them for their race, Eren CLEARLY stating to all Eldians WHY he's doing the rumbling only for the final chapter to tell you he didn't know what the Fuck he was doing despite ADMITTEDLY Saying it Everytime he was asked, Ymir not being free until Mikasa killed Eren even though Thematically it was shown that she was free by EREN at the start of the rumbling telling her that she's not a slave or a god but a person like he is empathizing with her to convince her to give him the power to protect the island, this is a shit ending and I am laughing my ass off for your inability to expect someone else to spell it out for you WHY it's terrible for the overall story that downright even criticises it's "all against one enemy" concept in the very early chapters of the story, and I can speak and write English. *Capiche* ?
I’m dying Lmfao, media literacy is at an all time low with casuals. It’s hilarious that all you have to do to disprove the EDs is show previous clips from the show. The insanity of comparing the ending to Code Geass 💀
To me, it’s so clear what happened. Yams didn’t want to be that guy that writes a main character that commits genocide and succeeds in creating a peaceful ending. So he backtracked and wrote the ending that he thought fit second-best. Only that this created plot-holes
@@shravan1010I mean Titan power continue to exist regardless so idk how that’s a point. In terms of the manga Levi choosing Armin over Erwin is pointless anyways because Armin doesn’t really achieve anything and Eldia gets wiped out like 2 to 3 generations later anyways. So either Eren never gave a damn about his people and selfishly killed millions of people for coochie that another dude clapped anyways and his friends 2 of which he let die for his plan. He let even more die if you count minor characters
And it would've been perfectly fine if it had a negative ending where Eren kills everyone and has to live alone with the consequences or something, or even one that went the same way it did here ending without peace, but then they tried to cram in a happy-ish ending that felt so out of place. It feels cowardly that they did a plot twist away from Eren's genocide with this stupid 'i wanted you to stop me' plan, just to plot twist right back into 'but the violence will continue anyway' and then do a happy ending regardless, just to go back again in the end credits. Feels like they (and I'm guessing it's the manga's fault, didn't read it) just couldn't make up their minds
@@tropicalsalad1836they're not even similar. Fritz didn't treat ymir the same way eren treated mikasa😂 and even if she let eren die, she didn't move on. Nonsense
@@Blacklla his brain dead fans will raid the comments and shift the narrative. He's done this before with another CZcamsr, completely shutting them down. His audience literally think their midget idol is god😂
Levi should've already been KO'd after he got caught by the explosion but he's got a very strong plot armor because of the fujoshis and makes a lot of Japanese Yen. 😂
Way to go to try spreading a hate wave to a legendary anime with an awesome finale that is u iversally liked. Take the L ending haters. I also loved how the guy kept repetsing the "I am sorry" moment from Eren, to countrr the arguement of Moist, while this scene just emphasizes moist's point of Eren being an idiot, who only thinks of violance from the beggining. Truly an L moment for ending haters.
16:16 this is how the LOUDEST ending defenders think, they forget the things they say 5 minutes ago and then contradict it and then call you illiterate LMAOOOO
The largest difference between Code Geass' ending and AOT's is that Lelouch is killed by Zero, and Eren is killed by his friends. The same friends who enabled him to start the rumbling in the first place. The same friends who invaded Marley and commited mass casualties to civilians. Armin is especially copable in this, bombing the harbor in Marley. How is he any voice of authority? How could the remaining 20% if the outside world ever trust him or the rest of the Alliance? The ending merely states that the cycle of violence never ends and nothing more. There is no hope. There is only more war. Eren solved nothing and his character was gutted in the process.
Missed the entire point of the ending, and Armin's character represents hope. It's been that way since eren mentioned Armin being the one to save the world.
Armin bombing the harbor, and at the same time him being the savior of humanity shows another theme in the story. Humans have the ability to understand each other. Even though armin has committed those acts, there is still hope.
I mean people outside the walls believed that people in Paradis are all devil. They believe that without ever knowing or trying to talk to them. So i guess 20% remaining people could've trust the Alliance no? Made Armin a Hero is literally the same with the story about Helos, it's a fake hero but still people believed that. Eren never mention that he wants to end the cycle of violence, he wanted his friend to live a long life and exterminate titan from this world. He did it. He doesn't care about what happen next
When this story was good, the entire community was on the same page and praising it, but once the writing fell off a cliff, now people are arguing over it. The same thing literally happened with Game of Thrones. Trash ending, and everybody argued over it. Nobody argues over a good story, because both the objective viewers and subjective viewers are on the same page. But once the story becomes heavily flawed, the subjective viewers continue to blindly praise, while the objective viewers are smart enough to call out the issues and criticize it. Notice how nobody argues over Breaking Bad ending? Because it was actually good.
The whole idea that there are objective viewers and subjective viewers is wrong to me. Some people may be more critical, but it’s still subjective criticism. People arguing over how good a story is doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad, it may just mean that it did something controversial or doesn’t have mass appeal for another reason. Your comment is basically a long way of saying that you are correct for not liking the ending and people who like it are too dumb to see why it’s bad.
I wouldn’t say people don’t argue over good stories. It depends on what you mean by that. Are we speaking strictly in terms of whether or not it is of quality? Because that I can get behind. But people absolutely can argue over things that are good. For instance, with breaking bad, people are always arguing about what decisions were good or bad that the characters make, which characters are ones to root for and not, yada yada. It’s absolutely possible to still have people arguing about things no matter how they fair quality wise. With that said, I don’t know if Charlie would even think of himself as a subjective viewer. Everything he tackles like this he seems to take with an objective approach. Though he doesn’t seem to apply his standards too consistently
Manga readers are literally forced to read panel by panel at their own pace. No music no nothing to understand. Anime onlies are gaslit into loving it with animation music and voice acting
Some of them are probably playing up their reactions to get more views, or not get flamed on from the majority of viewers who think the ending is a "masterpiece." It's something like a bandwagon effect.
It's hilarious to see Critikal say that critics of the ending are the people who "only watch for flashy action scenes and animation, or to see their favorite characters do random stuff" like that's exactly what we got, and those are the people who this ending was made for. Plot is sacrificed for the sake of fanservice. Story is sacrificed to give the fan favorite but extremely uninteresting "good guy" Alliance happy endings. It's funny because I think Isayama realized that most of his fans didn't actually care about the story itself and were more interested in just seeing the good guy characters do cool things or be cute and quirky. So he chose to sacrifice the story, the messaging, and the themes in order to deliver a fanservice ending. I think Eren represents Isayama in the ending, he's completely nihilistic because he is "predestined" to lose. I have no doubt that Isayama probably felt like he was "predestined" by the common audience as well as his editors to deliver a happy, fanservice ending so he decided to give us 139, where nothing makes sense but the Alliance wins and get all they wanted so the fans are mostly happy with it. He's said that he was very in touch with the common fans and their reception, so at some point I think his editors and the fans made him go "You people are so stupid, you only care about your favorite fanservice characters getting a happy ending? Fine, you'll get it but at the expense of everything else. Hope you're happy, I'm going to cash out for now." Even the extra pages are basically just Isayama's way of giving the middle finger to those fans. "Hope you liked your fanservice ending. Anyways, here's the whole island getting bombed to dust and a message about how nothing matters in the end and the whole story was pointless. Enjoy."
I agree that maybe the ending is Nihilistic because Isayama felt that way. But I legitimately don't see any major issues besides some of the character decisions. People don't have to die to write and good story You don't have to understand why people love each other either. Many people in the world look and friends or famous people and wonder why they are even together I think the themes and meanings were strong and it's bitter sweet. I think that, 80% is more than enough and I don't think its a happy ending. A happy ending is everyone gets along, everyone lives happy ever after and all conflict ends. It ends with the main cast STILL fighting for peace.
@@ljeans531 The ending is executed horribly, but even if it wasnt it would still be a bad ending because the themes are arbitrary and inconsistent with the story that it's supposed to conclude. Nothing really makes any sense and I don't see how you could explain it. The ending is a happy ending, at least for the Alliance, which is pure fanservice. This covers up the nihilistic message of the ending, which renders the story completely pointless to begin with. The message of the ending is that it's wrong to fight to preserve anything, even your own life, because it won't last forever anyways so it's pointless. That's the message and theme conveyed by the ending. But it's applied completely arbitrarily and again, it renders the story pointless to begin with. If the conflict between Eldians and non-Eldians is still ongoing after the ending then clearly 80% wasn't enough.
@@xEcuador1 It's a happy ending for the Alliance, you know, the characters? The nihilistic message is separate from the happy atmosphere and result of the main characters who pretty much get exactly what they wanted.
@@harpe9415 alright i got ya, but eren's secondary goal was also to protect paradis and let his close ones live "long lives" which they practically did. Dont get me wrong I hated the ending when i read the manga on release, gave some thought into it and became a mixed bag. After watching it animated, I compared it 1:1 with the book in my hand and realised what adding new scenes/dialogue/pacing improvements did to the overall ending, which was like an ouroboros theme where everything restarts, but seeing how paradis was basically cyberpunk thousands of years in the future (hint from the ost) its 100% likely its not even regarding the rumbling on why they're nuking paradis. Different politicans/characters/motives likely. Which is why I appreciated the theme of humanity always wanting to fight itself just to achieve their selfish goals. Which was iterated by erwin, kenny (slave to smth). I dont rlly get why you despise the alliance so much, im not rooting for them but they were og well-written characters from the ground up and now have sensible motivations in terms of the story, i wanted eren to win and wipe everyone including his friends initially just for the sole reason for him to break free of the loop and do smth, ANYTHING different so he'll stop being a patethic slave. But its kinda pointless in the future since paradis would probably multiply and have another civil war regarding some unrelated matters or different ideologies on 100% ing the world. Just my thoughts tho, how do you like the anime take on it?
@@adampogadam2643 you literally have the mascot frog of edgelord incels as your profile pic. Could you cope any harder. Incel edgelords really do hate this ending.
I mean if the Ending is good/masterpiece in his words. We wouldn't be having this civil war on the fandom. Which means those fans found a plot hole, something questionable or contradiction etc. in the story that leads them to hate it. Back then before the Ending there was No large amount of arguing between the fandom. All we do chapter after chapter is praising Isayama. So yeah Moist really can't blame people for not liking the ending.
We argued about erehisu and eremika just before the ending. That's how much we trusted isayama. We saw the rumbling arc drop in quality but we believed isayamas still had it in the bag. We were betrayed
Exactly. Notice how the entire community was on the same page when the story was good? Now that it has heavy flaws, people are arguing. Same thing happened to Game of Thrones. Once the writing falls off a cliff, arguments begin.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Indeed it is, tbh I was expecting an Anime Ending that is similar to the ending of "The Mist" since #1 Isayama mentioned it and #2 it perfectly fits on Aot since isayama doesn't think twice about killing fan loved characters. I can't say if the whole community expects an ending like that but they really expect a gut wrenching ending.
It's pretty much clear that casuals/normies will consume that dogshit ending regardless, they say we are schizophrenic and tell us that we didn't understand the story when they don't even know why they say that!
I think it being soread over so long made anime onlies forget how good previous seasons were. I think if AoT ended in one go then people would have disliked it. That and some people are actually coping like I did when I finished the manga. I tried justifying it for 3 months until I realised I was wrong and lying to myself. 6 months after the ending and thoe extra chapters just ruined it all. Terrible end full of plotholes. Felt like the whole story was meaningless
Most reaction channels have very forced reactions. You can see where a lot of them want to say something about what they saw, but almost all of them just end up saying "it's perfect!" 😂
Gabi is retarded, child slave soldier, who has been on the frontlines of the war sitting in attendance of a declaration of genocide speech. Then she's crying angrily disillusioned why Marley is being attack as it was previous broken down for everyone to understand by Willy Tybur. Falco then reiterates this and she replies "did you see it happen", "neither did i".
So that's a manga reader's mind. Thinking Floch is a logical character... you really all do lack emotional intelligence don't you. You don't understand trauma or what it does to you. Floch was traumatized and developed an entirely new persona just to combat that feeling and try to eliminate the fear and hopelessness he felt. Floch is a very well written character, but he is no logical. He is emotional and irrational.
Yeah Charlie is officially fraud. idk how anybody can take this guy's opinion on any type of media knowing he thinks eren has a better conclusion than lelouch
He can have an opinion of course, but don't go around saying people who hate it are idiots while not even making an effort to search the criticisms, instead he made a Strawman Argument by saying those who like it just want Sunshine and Rainbows ending, lacking self awareness that the version we got was just that. @@blackgoku3289
@@blackgoku3289 It's not about preference, it's about quality. You are within your right to like a shitty ending, but you are not allowed to say it that other people are wrong without backing up your arguments with logic and evidence. Saint shows scenes and dialogues the entire time throughtout this video to prove his points.
@@blackgoku3289nah he said people who thought it was bad didn’t watch the show he fucked up with that one 😂 now I’m officially allowed to go out of my way and use the story to shit on your opinion to prove I very much did watch and understand the show much more than you did
Classic ED mindset. They do as much copium as AOE bros, if not more, and mindfawk themselves into believing stuff that's not there. I honestly don't know if they just parrot the same things they hear, but it's astonishing that they always come back to ignoring the story itself and gaslighting the "haters" for pointing out the facts.
what really pisses me of about charlie’s Take is that in code geas. Lelouch’s most known quote is - “only those who are prepared to be killed are those who should kill” or smthn like that and he works according to this principle to his dying breath despite having his sister nunnaly that he loved so much witnessing his death and not being able to be with her. Eren completely shits on this idea cuz he robbed 80% of the populations people - their entire dreams, livelihoods, loved ones and everything that encapsulated their lives and then still moans like a bitch saying he doesn’t want to die and that he wants to be with mikasa. he doesn’t have the right to live never mind the right to be with anyone and i don’t get how Charlie doesn’t see this contradiction.
@Jason-zu7jt Lelouch didn't want to die either. What is this guy talking about. Also in Lelouch case, He got a majority of the people important to him killed or almost killed. Eren saved almost everyone he cared about from a total genocide. No one was going to genocide the whole of Japan. The themes are similar and Charlie is right when he says the outcome of Eren actions are more realistic. In the end of Code Geass, (which I love the entire show btw) Kallen says all wars stopped and there was peace. I always thought that was idealistic and cheesy. And not at all like human nature.
@@ljeans531 wdym Lelouch didn’t want to die. No one wants to die but he obviously held to a principle that he is taking lives so would happily die for the cause that’s the whole point of Zero and his entire character. Also eren saving his friends doesn’t even matter because the mf said he’d do the rumbling anyway because he wanted to see that sight. so that point is redundant. and no one is arguing that fighting won’t stop and wars will all cease to exist but I think ur forgetting that Marley was literally demonising and indoctrinating their children to hate eldians on paradis. Also how in the hell would Erens action lead to temporary peace anyway when If you forget the start of the story it was the opposite way and eren literally says he’ll kill all the titans and was so filled with rage and then vows to kill all the enemies of the other side. So you think some kid or even adult who loses their entire family, homeland and literally everything that is important to them because eren crushed it all wouldn’t hold that same sentiment - “because he jusf wanted to” and u think they wouldn’t retaliate quicker that was shown in the show that’s ridiculous.
@zeniqz5422 OK once again, Eren would have never done this if the world he saw in Grisha memories was welcoming. Sure it had similar issues and conflict. When he said "I did it cause I wanted to, idk why." He means he wanted to wipe away everything and start fresh, because that dream gave him hope. Killing people is the side effect of his goals, his goal is not to kill people. It's to wipe the world clean. And if his friends weren't in danger I don't think he would, he would die soon anyway. His friends are in danger BECAUSE the world is against them, and Eren wants to wipe it away BECAUSE the world isn't a welcoming place. It's not one thing or another. Eren doesn't know what he wants because of the simultaneous future past and present. But he knew enough to tell all his friends what to do.
The ending was easy to comprehend, it was poorly executed. It all goes back well before 139. Eren isn’t involved for majority of the final arc. However, we learned TIME and TIME again he does the rumbling because his friends AND not to leave Paradise’s future to chance; implying that if he doesn’t rumble, the island isn’t guaranteed safety! The ending suggests he didn’t give a shit about Paradise and did it because of a book (which is made more stupid by Armin saying “I helped cause this too because I showed you a picture book). Second point, there are zero casualties from the alliance during one of the most ridiculous battles. Even if they are skilled, the constant asspull to just be saved makes for a complete lack of tension. Remember how fighting common or abnormal titans was VERY difficult for anyone who wasn’t Mikasa or Levi? But now they are geared up against thousands of shifters!! They could barely beat Annie in S1! Third point, why does the rumbling stop when Zeke is dead? It only started AFTER Ymir chose Eren and set her free. It also makes no sense that her love for her abuser was what kept her away for 2000 years. You’re telling me it wasn’t the love for your children?! Why does Mikasa killing Eren make Ymir stop the curse?! Necrokiss is gross as hell too btw. Anyway I’m rambling on about this shit. But I knew there was no AOE coming, anime might have been flashy in some instances (still no WiT) but the added dialogue did not make things better. In fact, it makes Eren look worse!
Yea the zero casualties makes no sense but on fighting titans they have better gear so it makes sense they would be a bit better at taking out titans. Also remember they literally wiped out all the titans on the island. About zekes death I believe his Royal blood was a condition as well as having ymir so even though he had Ymir’s help when zeke died the conditions weren’t met anymore due to lack of Royal blood. Ymir loving her captor is just some deus ex machina so I agree with you there. I liked the ending somewhat but I don’t fully disagree with your take I just wanted to add to the discussion of possible plotholes. ❤
@@lotus4147That’s fair! I just think given the circumstances of the final fight, it seems so outrageous to think they all make it out. Yes, you are right their gear is superior to the early days, everyone is more skilled and they have 3 shifters on their side. But it was hundreds of shifters they fought! I think it adds weight to the situation. Yeah, I guess given how the rumbling started was a result of them touching along with Ymir’s influence. The points I find offensive are Eren’s motivation and Ymir. I have no problem with Eren and Mikasa having a romance; however, Eren never demonstrated any romantic interest towards Mikasa for years on end. I do also agree with Saint’s take on how Eren’s so called Lelouch plan is stupidly executed. Why would any surviving person out in the world choose to believe that Eldians were the ones who killed them?! It just continues that fear. I personally found Eren 100 percent rumbling would have been the better avenue because you could still show the message of violence never ceasing on Paradise. I also think Eren having to live with his choice would be powerful. Perhaps I always wanted AnR; and I know how ppl feel about that. But I think that ending was poignant than what we got.
@@LordVerdo I think Eren withheld showing his feelings because they way it was setup for Mikasa to kill him he didn’t want to tell Mikasa how much he really loved her. When he told Armin about everything in the paths he chose to not let him keep his memories of the path until after he died probably indicating he didn’t want Armin to tell Mikasa about his feelings. Yea maybe the 100% rumbling could’ve been executed but personally it didn’t ruin my enjoyment of the ending I feel some people make it out to be what ruined the ending for them. One thing I really dislike though is the mysterious Mikasa ending. Isayama went though all that at the end with eren snd mikasa just to hint at her having a relationship with someone else?? Idk Mikasa being in a married relationship is problematic for many other reasons to me but yea. Maybe they should have killed one more person off considering they had a whole large scale fight almost akin to a war and still had no casualties. I think Isayama wanted to highlight erens death in those final scenes but it’s a bit unrealistic. Honestly the entire final fight is ridiculous.
@@lotus4147 If the royal blood was a needed connection for Eren to use the founding titan stuff and start the rumbling, how come after Zeke is killed Eren still transforms into a Collosal titan Eren, despite not having access? Also couldn't Ymir just keep them moving on her own like how she manipulated the past titan shifters and because she basically controls everything? I always saw it as the royal blood just needing to be there for them to access paths to converse with Ymir to have her do stuff for them.
@@spartanoreo5075 The rumbling requires Royal blood I’m pretty sure the titan stuff is due to having access/control of the paths. Ymir molded all the titans forms in the paths and that’s different from the rumbling. At least that’s my theory u can see why it’s confusing because I don’t think it’s stated whether the rumbling is different from the paths and if they r the same or u get both at the same time.
I don't like the word mid but aot really always was avarage it was like a 6/10 at best like it blew my mind when People were shocked or excited about anny being a titan because it was super obvious and poorly executed and then she turn into ice after losing like she legit existed only to give a cool fight and add a little bit of mystery that later turned out to be a huge letdown
6:24 "You can boil it down to war never changes, humans are just predisposed to it. No matter how large the conflict is, no matter how great the resolution is, or how long the period of peace is, it's only a matter of time until the cycle starts over again." I don't disagree with this...but this in no way conflicts with the ending people wanted. In fact, if conflict started up again but under Eldians that would make this thematic point stronger, as it shows how quickly people can forget what unified them together in the past and just start killing each other all over again. We literally saw this all throughout the series inside the walls with everyone being obsessed with status and titles that were meaningless!
Even in a Eldian civil war I'd imagine Eren would be ok with that because it's people being free to fight for whatever, instead of being persecuted for simply existing/being born which is what he opposed on a philosophical and emotional level, pre-139 Eren I should say. Also idk what entirely the point was of the children out of the forest scene with Gabi becoming peaceful when "war always happen" contradicts that? seemed like a waste of time.
@@islandboy9381 "it's people being free to fight for whatever" No it isn't. It just takes the Yeagerists saying you're no true Eldian if you don't follow their ideology and treat you then like second class humans and bring you into reeducation camps. Oh nooo, you're forced into a conflict you didn't choose to be in. I thought I was free to fight for whatever...
I thought this was worse than GoT tbh. The most important emotional moments, thematic moments, and character arc resolutions were *all* done via stupid plot twists or convoluted scenes that made the writer seem like even more of an idiot than Eren. The whole story was about vengeance and hatred causing more endless violence but they just sidestepped all that for like 20 minutes to force in a happy tone, and then backtrack in an end credit montage? Wild decision making there
If you think this ending is worse than GOT, then you don't understand writing. How many characters did Attack on Titan's ending assassinate? 2? 3? At worst, I can see the argument for 4 characters being assassinated, but that's a stretch. In GOT, pretty much every primary or secondary character is destroyed. Tyrion, Varys, Daenerys, Jon, Arya, the Hound, Sansa, Samwell, Cersei... The only even remotely important characters to escape intact are Theon and maybe Jorah. But aside from that, it was a character slaughterhouse. You might be able to argue that AoT's ending was as bad on a plot or thematic level (although you'd be completely wrong), but nothing it has can possibly compete with how GOT completely gutted almost its entire cast.
@@megashark1013lol i feel like i saw u before riding mappa hard.. Anyways about Got and aot, aot is worse cause it happened in Both mediums while the formers source material is still on going.
@@megashark1013 problem for me is that with GoT it was at least obvious that the writers just didn’t care anymore, but AoT had to force in half a dozen plot twists and exposition dumps to try and justify these decisions, then betrayed its own theme by letting Eren succeed at giving them a happy ending and pushing the consequences onto a far future generation that the audience isn’t connected to. Not to mention all the convoluted time travel and forced love story nonsense that was added here. With GoT I could see it being fine had it not been rushed, and if the arcs had time to play out the way they did in a satisfying way. Here it seems like the writer thought it was amazing and did a major cop out by having Eren realize he was an idiot, still succeed in his plan at least for now, and let everyone be happy until the violence continues a few hundred years in the future.
@@megashark1013 GoT ending was crap because the writers don't have a source material to adapt so they come up with their own. AoT is worse because Isayama is incompetent.
GOT still has an above 8 score on IMDB, so it really doesn't matter how much the final stretch is absolute shit and destroys all the prior build up, so long as the mainstream already was on board with the series when it was at it's most peak and popularity then casuals will cope and eat it up even when it turns shit anyway.
@@erickhouston2967nah, since manga ending ppl were posting "you didn't understand the ending" and 30+ min videos trying to explain that the end was satisfying
@iamlyricvfx The fact that YOU are calling other people "deranged" just for liking the ending to an anime really shows how deranged and hateful YOU are. And by the way, I loved the ending to AOT. I hope that makes you really angry and upset with me😂😂
@@CombatUnit621literally like he just has the same opinions everyone has that’s how he got so many followers in the first place just by following the herd
The people defending this ending and calling out the people who didn’t like the ending are the same people who will send death threats and trash other shows for the way they end yet have the nerve to say we are evil people and that they are nice.
Remember the eremikas who doxxed us on twitter for arguing against eremika. No wonder isayama gave in to them. They are the most insane part of the community. Ending haters pale in comparison
@@JojoSmacksFR they hate Eren's guts but were sad that Mikasa couldn't be together with someone they all considered a genocidal moron? Shit doesn't add up except being way too much of a illogical stan.
@@ugobrown2357 It's a good thing that they enjoyed it. I hate the ending too but I don't want them to experience the sht-storm we Manga readers got in through lol.
Hello charlie fanboy from twitter or search bar. I also really love watching charlies streams and videos. But also like saint as well. I agree with saint here. I almost felt insulted how many ironic statements moist made in his video that directly applied to anime onlies Like saying "anyone who hates it was only watching for animation, colors, and random moments" MOIST WE READ THE MANGA IN BLACK IN WHITE. the panels are literally equivalent to watching a slideshow that goes 1 fps Saint doesnt care whether someone likes the ending or not. Its when "good, well written, masterpiece" are used where he is of use. Trying to destroy saints character instead of actually listening to his explanation, or even refute it is WEAK Sure his hating of the manga for 2 years up to now may be seen as pathetic but to him it was 10 years of his life wasted actively following this story for it to be butchered. But just cause saint is "pathetic" doesn't fix the ending. Keep coping. Also the voice acting music and animation is why so many of you were swayed so easily
manga reader here, i think moist just say sht like that cuz his audience are so barebone and casual, but aside from the incredible artistic choices, i DO think the anime did some panels of the manga justice like added dialogue/scenes/pacing. I started to appreciate the manga's theme about ouroboros and restarting regardless of what changes as its in humanity's nature to fight itself for their selfish goals like what erwin said. I still hoped eren would go berserk/at least changed SMTH towards the end to actually prove what he meant by trying different things to achieve nothing at all, ending would play out the same but he still gets killed etc. What are your thoughts on the anime?
@@xEcuador1I thought the anime did Eren worse than ever before. I feel insulted on a personal level when I saw Eren say that. Not cause it's cringe but cause it's out of character and directly attacks old themes. Like I said before. I watched the cour 4 times now. And I'm certain the animation, music, and voice acting is what allowed so many of you to accept this ending. Especially the Mikasa bird scene. The music was beautiful I knew many of you guys would overlook all the issues due to this alone. I think mappa adapted it 7/10 on the average but had some incredible 10/10 moments if we are acting like the ending is good. But it's not. Mappa isn't to blame. Isayama is. Isayama deserves the criticism. I hated isayama after the manga ended but I believed he would fix the plotholes in the anime if he chose to adapt 139 but he didn't even do that. Made Eren worse. Made Armin better but weirder. Reconned the end. By leaks given from official leakers the ending was changed to cyberpunk after the leakers received their leaks. (Why the animation on it looks so weird) the 2004 missle things that destroyed cyberpunk paradise would literally be hundreds of years outdated when compared to cyberpunk. And it doesn't even match the background. From.the leaks shown it actually matched the mangas path and showed paradise getting carpet bombed roughly (100 years-200 years) after erens death. But it doesn't fix the issues due to time increase.
@@mazkhasate why? can you explain and why are you commenting on every comment here. are you a moise fanboy? you making him look bad rn and didnt he make a video about his community not going on other videos like this?
not really. Moist says Erens answer to everything is rage. Then Saint pulls up the clip of eren saying he was disappointed and wanted to wipe it all away". Like bruh, the clip literally proved Moists point but then everyone says he cooked him even though hes contradicting himself and using his arguments to support Moists unintentionally
I kinda wish he just said critic and not hater. People now don't give af when he's right. He gets called a hater so often I guess it never crossed his mind
Saint Is just mad that the ending didn't fulfill his edgelord fantasy and eren probably reminds saint too much of himself and it makes him very insecure lol
Sweet Home Alabama tududududum... background music for this guy. Bruh smoked too much before watching the ending thinking that this 139 OG ending is not rainbow's and unicorn farts.
@@FenShen-us9tv I respect his hustle and how entertaining some of his rambles can be. Is that not allowed? Most of his anime takes are pretty ass, though.
Now, me personally, I think the anime ending is better than the manga simply because they rearranged, cleaned up, and re wrote the conversation between eren and armin. That basically saved the ending for me. I didn’t need an AOE, I just needed mappa to fix what isayama got lost in translation and execution
See you in hell *smiles*. You call that “cleaned up”? That’s known as “butchering.” Why are they acting like hell is going to be some walk in the park 🤡.
@@Vortex_ICEcolddude can add the concept of hell but can't be bothered to just go through with the rumbling 100% and then have god reset the world in a loop like devilman. Iseyama is a fool
Also he was praising erens character development last season but now he never changed 😂 so either it’s a retcon or he’s a bad character which is it Charlie
How could anyone think this garbage ending is good! If you go look at the comments on his video they are all like OMG THE ENDING WAS SO GOOD. Absolutely ridiculous I’m tired of hearing oh the manga readers just don’t understand it.
80% of humanity dying is pretty sad in my opinion. the ending is bitter sweet cuz the characters had hope after tragedy. that’s not a happy ending, which would be having hope w/ a good situation.
Most of those critical of the ending don't realize that what they wanted was _the_ defacto "happy ending" for Eren and Paradis. Like Armin said, "What, you can't have war if there are no people? It's like a bad joke. Who would take it seriously?" Apparently, a lot of people.
What a MAN Eren is. He had enough foresight to create a plan that will have us arguing about him for 10 YEARS AT LEAST 😭😭 fly high in the sky king.. CACAW or whatever noise a bird makes..
Ending haters fr be like: “I didn’t like this ending therefore everyone who does like it must be wrong”. Like fucking hell y’all give off fatherless energy
They are wrong. That's our whole points you can like a crappy ending. But just cause you like a dog ending doesn't mean it's a good logical and well built upon ending.
Charlie and you ending defender are the first to called us illerate or "not understanding the ending" when we are showing you many thing that was out of character, never develop or built upon o thar was brought up but it was never given use.
@@kyordannydelvalle523 I didn’t ask your reasoning on why you dislike it, I never even said I even liked it to begin with. Nor did I even agree with Charlie’s opinion. So what’s the point of this comment? Also who is “we” maybe the people in this community actually backed up there opinions. But 90% of the time I see people calling the ending bad they never give a reason.
What point are you trying to make to bring up the ocean scene? That scene is even more evident of how Eren’s character never changed. He is still the same kid wanting to kill all the titans, except the only thing that’s changed is who he views as his enemies. He hadn’t changed at all. If you’re talking about him being unphased by the ocean, it was because the ocean was representative of freedom for him, and upon learning about the outside world and Marley, his idea of freedom is crumbled and the ocean no longer signifies that for him, but instead how he is still not free. And due to erens nature, he just keeps fighting. Seriously though, if you could elaborate on what you mean i would appreciate it.
For the record Lelouch did kill a ton of people or at least resulted in their deaths. They point this out a lot in the final battle a number of times. Still nowhere near 80% of the population, but just thought I'd mention.
Yeah. I'm so mad 😡 we didn't get a happy ending 🙄. Bro should have done more research. But tbf, the last season was split into 4 parts months apart. So they had forgotten what had happened in each part. All they know is Eren's evil, Alliance good. And the ending showed them that Eren's good and the alliance good. But world died. So tragic story. It's all 1D for them. They all go off of what 139 says instead of what the overall story was about. It's just consuming shit with no questions.
Moist got the worse take on AOT. However, he’s just an enjoyer of the worse ending of all time. Overall, we wouldn’t take whatever this man say seriously anymore.
I still like em. Just hate that he is pandering rn. Saint makes a good point critical was so different when it was last of us 2 now here he is glazing the theme
As an anime watcher/non manga reader ( nangas aren't available where i am from), i thought the ending was good when i first watched it. Probably because of the animation, phenomenal voice acting and the soundtrack. I was riding the high if watching the finale with everyone after falling in love with this show when i started watching it earlier last year. Now that the high has died down, and i keep replaying this final episode and connecting it to the previous seasons, there are so many plot holes thst don't make sense. Erika is my biggest pet perve. There were ZERO SIGNS of eren being in love with mikasa only for it to be thrown at us at the end!? He treated her horribly in some instances throughout the seasons. The sick part os that people actually support this, which makes me concerned at how their real life relationships are like. Do you pine for someone who shows no interest in you for the rest of life and think it's perfectly fine? What!? Also, i don't understand, was eren under the control of ymir or doing it on his own free will? If it's the latter why have so much remorse? If you wanted this why call yourself an idiot who lusted for power, when throughout the four seasons he seemingly had a goal (or some goal). The whole killing his mother was a shock to me because i thought yhat was isayam's plan from the beginning. But when thinking about it, it doesn't make sense. She didn't have to die like that. Eren could have saved jer and sent Dina wandering elsewhere. Surely seeing his mum get injured and barely survive the attack should have been more than enough motivation to join the scouts. And the more i watch your reactions to his interviews, the more i realise that he really did mess up his ending and is now backtracking. It's sad and i can only imagine the pain of those who have been fans from 2013 and hate this. The one thing i am happy or relieved about is that he didn't destroy Levi's character. He is my number one favourite and thank God he remained consistent to the end.
That's the problem that more you think about it ,it gets worse. Lol, but it is kinda ironic that 80% of the story is peak,consistent, and good, but the 20% left is bad.
@@annett5 Exactly. The same character who was all about having “no regrets” and “choose to fight by yourself or trust your comrades”. He passed said knowledge to Eren back in season 1 and it failed the first time around. Then gave him the choice again in the cave in season 3. Eren chose himself and they all lived(because ain’t no way they were going to survive if he picked them at that moment). Now in season 4, Levi kicked him in the face because Eren did something he didn’t agree with. I guess Isayama was trying to do a “homage” to how Levi used to kick Eren into shape back then or something, but I knew he became a hypocrite like the rest the moment he hit him just because he didn’t agree with the Leberio raid.
Bruh guys listen to this 💀💀 Eren said the 20% is the same as paradise population 😂😂 paradise has 1 million people living in it😂😂 so before the rumbling the earths population was 5m. Marley had 1 million soldiers 💀 so their soldiers are 1th5 of the worlds population 💀 so how many people lived in Marley? 2mil? Ok 2 mil people live outside of paradise and Marley ( marley 2mil paradise 1 mil ) Marley was very weak they were only strong with titan powers. Can someone tell me how they are weak without titans powers as if their soldiers ain’t half of the world’s population ( excluding Marley and paradise)😂😂😂😂💀💀💀
And people say isayama is a great writer 😂
@@user-74856 because he is the best writer
Go back and read it g it says civilisation not population because life and economy in the walls sucked and now that most the world got flattened so did the world outside the walls
only ymir knows
don't ask questions
I'm pretty sure he meant that the 20% who survive will dwindle because their civilization is destroyed and 80% of the world has been trampled so they would dwindle and die off until they're at about the same population as Paradis, which is probably less than 1% if we assume the world has about two billion people on it at this point which it did IRL around the same time period.
Ymir orchestrated a global genocide so she could watch mikasa kiss eren's decapitaed head to satisfy her fetish in order to break the curse because she was in love with king fritz the entire time, why mikasa? Only ymir knows.
Eren was in control of every single titan in the entire series the entire time and went back in time to kill his own mom just to give himself something to be angry about enough to kill 80% of humanity so he could let his friends stop him so the rest of the world would view them as heroes and forgive paradis, so then eren could reincarnate as a bird and then a tree to watch paradis get nuked by the remaining 20% of the world.
This is the ending people are calling peak fiction.
The farmer is the king of paradis, eren could lead dina away from Bertholdt, his enemy, in past but couldn't make his colossal titans leave hange, his friend alone
The ending we deserve. Peak comedy
The problem is ymir saying that mikasa the saivior made eren just a poppet for ymir the entire season final. People didn't notice this
I'm saving this for later.
He really said the manga readers only care about flashy colors 😂
bro forgot manga comes in black and white😂😂
he said animation
Moist isn't the brightest tool in the shed 😂
@@crayyxbro didnt even watch moist criticals video. Let less this video
npc youtuber
if your thoughts about the people who dislike the ending is that they wished for a "HAPPY ENDING" then you dont understand why they disliked it, THE WAY THE MANGA/ANIME ENDED IS THE HAPPY ENDING
" People are mad because they wanted a happy ending ". How was SNK's ending not happy? With the exception of Hanji, there were no casualties and Paradis was only destroyed centuries after the main characters were already dead. The Eldians have been persecuted for something that happened 2,000 years ago, but Armin is able to convince the world to stop the attack literally a moment after Eren kills 80% of humanity.
Hange killed herself to not have to deal with the after rumbling. Literally. She jumped at the chance to go out super cool. She didn't even consider the chance of her living. She could have jumped into the ocean before going to fight the titans which would give her MUCH more time to survive the intense heat. She literally was cut up to the bell when she saved the alliance with that last titan kill if she soaked herself she would have lived. She has done this before with berts colossal and rod reiss meaning she can think, but here she whips off without the idea of living. She decided to die before she even flew.
Her odmg exploding is about the only thing that could possibly explain inevitable death.
Doesn't the anime show that Paradis could've actually survived or become super advanced and futuristic to the point where the boy and his dog could be actually 20,000 years after Eren dies? The final OST is even called "to you 2000 years or 20000 years from now" . Obviously it's not directly confirmed how much time has passed. It could just be a couple hundred years, or it could very well be 20,000 years. It's open to interpretation and anyone can choose what they want to believe. In my opinion though, with an OST having that title and even Yuki Kaji himself saying those very words of the title, I would believe that the boy and his dog at the very end are in Paradis 20,000 years later
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@@JojoSmacks if hange didn't stall the rumbling they would have all died stop the cope you're embarrassing yourself
Umm... a military dictatorship took over Paradise with Historia mimicking Eren's childish idea of what it means to fight, win and live lose and die.
I guess to weird alt-right fascists that ending is happy, but to sane people it is not happy at all.
@@JojoSmackshange was killed by eren. He didn't make his titans leave her alone, so he's responsible for her death
“Ymir being in love with king Fritz, fine ok Stockholm’s syndrome, but that introduces a plot hole as to why she let herself die in episode from you 2000 years ago. It was implied she lost the will to live but why?
If she loved him she would have gotten right back up. 💀💀😂😂😂 nah I’m dead bro this is insane. Anyone who calls this ending good. I have no words. I don’t know what to say
Also, don't forget that, prior to her meeting the worm, when King Fritz gave her the chance to run, Ymir took it! If she loved him, she wouldn't have run when given the chance!
@@cozypilgrim8530 She literally just met him...
because she knew it was wrong to love her captor and wanted to die but stayed connected to her descendants because of her need for love and connection that caused the stockholm syndrome in the first place??? uh reading comprehension hello???
Ymir saved Fritz by stepping into that spears path
@@jesusleyva4386 but then dies because she didn’t regenerate cause of having no will to live which is strange cause she is a slave to him so she should have the will
At the rate that it's going, we'll be talking about this shit for at least 10 years
What a man Isayama is
10 years at least 😭
I don’t want that!
Talk about it for 10 years at least, as a reward...
@@islandboy9381you shall get my seed
when saint paused on the frame of gabi smiling in the sunshine planting trees I fucking died XD
Why do people consider Moist an authority for everything
Because of his large following platform. Bro got 14M. That’s just my guess
@@boppinboyz he has the most basic bitch opinions
Why do people consider the anime community to have authority over people's opinion
@@domainhami5253 I don't? Everyone can have their opinions
I mean, his content can be very entertaining even if it don't make any sense.
You say I'm "glazing", but it's not like I'm fucking defending him. He has a lot of dumb takes, too, but I follow for the sheer sake of entertainment nowadays...something wrong with that?
So we went from people who hate the ending wanting 100% genocide to wanting a happy ending despite Isayama himself saying that this WAS his happy ending. Wow. Just wow.
He said he had to _give up_ on his idea for a happy ending because he couldn't bring himself to deviate from the ending he'd had in mind as a kid. Which is the one we got. It does seem like he wanted to go with 100% genocide at some point to "hurt the audience" but thought it "too naive" as that type of "happy ending" wasn't realistic.
@yuukichan12 To be honest, I don't actually care whether it had a happy ending or not. It's the constant flipping of excuses as to why the ending isn't stupid and you are for not understanding something that fundamentally makes no sense.
the replays are for the sake of argument but they seem so disrespectful because moistcritikal is so wrong about what he say and contradicts himself in the same video
Moist critical: This is a perfect ending!
*His entire audience* "if he likes it i like it" 🤡
This means that the humanity is doomed
What an irony,
Santichief: the ending is bad
His fans: if he hates it i hate it 🤡
@@luzoroana keep defending your midget idol lil bro. Unlike midgicritcal, we know the problems of the ending for years at this point. Your dumbass just seen it lmao
@@luzoroanaMost of us found Santitchief because we recognise the ending was detestable slop. We're not agreeing for the sake of agreeing.
@@kenmasters1803 and how can you tell that those that agree with the moisture guy are agreeing for the sake of agreeing
This is why I don’t watch Big CZcamsrs smh 😂
Yep. Because their first priority now is to please their infantile followers. That’s what happens when being a CZcamsr becomes your career. Just another cog in the soulless corporate machine smh. CZcams use to be so great.
The worst thing this anime did is to make stupid people feel smart
like you exactly
The irony with these ending haters, apparently you guys think you know better than the guy that literally built aot from the ground up, what a joke
@@luzoroanaThat seems to be the case since the Author forgot what he was writing because at every chance he contradicts himself whether in his Manga or interviews, the point is he messed up and we're pointing it out.
@@JarenLemon what were the contradictions exactly, don't just throw out English words, explain what you have in heart about it that you didn't like
@@luzoroana Oh man where do I BEGIN? first there's the fact that for years Isyama has said publicly and written that Eren and Mikasa had a sibling bond despite not being actual siblings and that Mikasa's love was one-sided and unhealthy, only to facilitate the ending that Eren loved her madly while spending 138 chapters before indicating that he didn't feel the same way because he was too focused on his pursuit to be free from outside forces that want to kill him for his race, the fact that the alliance even exists when there should be no logical justification for it to defend a world that wanted to Annihilate them for past transgressions they didn't even do to blatantly killing their own people who have fought and suffered alongside them from the very TITANS that were sent there by Marley who were using a proxy speech to rally the world against an island of an isolated race from which they on the mainland treat like disposable tools in war to keep themselves in power and forces them to live in internment zones where one disobedience is punished with death or worse being turned into a mindless, man eating monster initiated ONLY by the way by the Very Marleyans that keep abusing them for their race, Eren CLEARLY stating to all Eldians WHY he's doing the rumbling only for the final chapter to tell you he didn't know what the Fuck he was doing despite ADMITTEDLY Saying it Everytime he was asked, Ymir not being free until Mikasa killed Eren even though Thematically it was shown that she was free by EREN at the start of the rumbling telling her that she's not a slave or a god but a person like he is empathizing with her to convince her to give him the power to protect the island, this is a shit ending and I am laughing my ass off for your inability to expect someone else to spell it out for you WHY it's terrible for the overall story that downright even criticises it's "all against one enemy" concept in the very early chapters of the story, and I can speak and write English.
*Capiche* ?
I’m dying Lmfao, media literacy is at an all time low with casuals. It’s hilarious that all you have to do to disprove the EDs is show previous clips from the show. The insanity of comparing the ending to Code Geass 💀
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@@ozkan576yams dickrider spotted
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you need to go back to kindergarten
To me, it’s so clear what happened. Yams didn’t want to be that guy that writes a main character that commits genocide and succeeds in creating a peaceful ending. So he backtracked and wrote the ending that he thought fit second-best. Only that this created plot-holes
But Titan powers would still be there and all of erens friends would die
Also levi choosing Armin would be pointless
So maybe think a little bit before saying dumb things🙂
@@shravan1010I mean Titan power continue to exist regardless so idk how that’s a point. In terms of the manga Levi choosing Armin over Erwin is pointless anyways because Armin doesn’t really achieve anything and Eldia gets wiped out like 2 to 3 generations later anyways. So either Eren never gave a damn about his people and selfishly killed millions of people for coochie that another dude clapped anyways and his friends 2 of which he let die for his plan. He let even more die if you count minor characters
And it would've been perfectly fine if it had a negative ending where Eren kills everyone and has to live alone with the consequences or something, or even one that went the same way it did here ending without peace, but then they tried to cram in a happy-ish ending that felt so out of place. It feels cowardly that they did a plot twist away from Eren's genocide with this stupid 'i wanted you to stop me' plan, just to plot twist right back into 'but the violence will continue anyway' and then do a happy ending regardless, just to go back again in the end credits. Feels like they (and I'm guessing it's the manga's fault, didn't read it) just couldn't make up their minds
The Titan Curse stopped because two people were in love. Atrocious writing.
And apparently in 2000 years, Ymir can't find anyone besides Mikasa.
@@tropicalsalad1836shit wasn't even concrete, they had 0 acts as lovers, 100% platonic love and that's what pull ymir strings, so bad
@@tropicalsalad1836they're not even similar. Fritz didn't treat ymir the same way eren treated mikasa😂 and even if she let eren die, she didn't move on. Nonsense
Japan need to populate. Love is the answr
It stopped because they killed Eren
Hope Charlie sees this and reacts lmao
Charlie that lil cuuk wouldnt
@@Blacklla who you talking about sneako
@@Blackllapeople don’t like to admit when they’re wrong so yeah most likely not
@@Blacklla his brain dead fans will raid the comments and shift the narrative. He's done this before with another CZcamsr, completely shutting them down.
His audience literally think their midget idol is god😂
He will watch
Thank you saint for being a truthful critic for our sake we will not let your sacrifice go to waste
Levi should've already been KO'd after he got caught by the explosion but he's got a very strong plot armor because of the fujoshis and makes a lot of Japanese Yen. 😂
I love the reference 😂
Way to go to try spreading a hate wave to a legendary anime with an awesome finale that is u iversally liked.
Take the L ending haters.
I also loved how the guy kept repetsing the "I am sorry" moment from Eren, to countrr the arguement of Moist, while this scene just emphasizes moist's point of Eren being an idiot, who only thinks of violance from the beggining. Truly an L moment for ending haters.
@@solymossyakos8526💀
Moist got retcconed in the same video lol.
16:16 this is how the LOUDEST ending defenders think, they forget the things they say 5 minutes ago and then contradict it and then call you illiterate LMAOOOO
Retcon almost as much as Isiyama...
Moist, what a man you are
They are emodriven vessels
Hahahaha, dude literally forgot what he said 5 minutes ago.
What contradiction though???
The largest difference between Code Geass' ending and AOT's is that Lelouch is killed by Zero, and Eren is killed by his friends. The same friends who enabled him to start the rumbling in the first place. The same friends who invaded Marley and commited mass casualties to civilians. Armin is especially copable in this, bombing the harbor in Marley. How is he any voice of authority? How could the remaining 20% if the outside world ever trust him or the rest of the Alliance? The ending merely states that the cycle of violence never ends and nothing more. There is no hope. There is only more war. Eren solved nothing and his character was gutted in the process.
There’s also the fact that Lelouch is ONE GUY, while Eldians have a whole island.
Missed the entire point of the ending, and Armin's character represents hope. It's been that way since eren mentioned Armin being the one to save the world.
Armin bombing the harbor, and at the same time him being the savior of humanity shows another theme in the story. Humans have the ability to understand each other. Even though armin has committed those acts, there is still hope.
I mean people outside the walls believed that people in Paradis are all devil. They believe that without ever knowing or trying to talk to them. So i guess 20% remaining people could've trust the Alliance no? Made Armin a Hero is literally the same with the story about Helos, it's a fake hero but still people believed that. Eren never mention that he wants to end the cycle of violence, he wanted his friend to live a long life and exterminate titan from this world. He did it. He doesn't care about what happen next
@@dafahilal1117 Eren couldn’t guarantee his friends survival, and Paradis was still destroyed
When this story was good, the entire community was on the same page and praising it, but once the writing fell off a cliff, now people are arguing over it. The same thing literally happened with Game of Thrones. Trash ending, and everybody argued over it. Nobody argues over a good story, because both the objective viewers and subjective viewers are on the same page. But once the story becomes heavily flawed, the subjective viewers continue to blindly praise, while the objective viewers are smart enough to call out the issues and criticize it. Notice how nobody argues over Breaking Bad ending? Because it was actually good.
This😂
breaking bad is masterpiece from the start till the end
isayama could never
Exactly 💯
The whole idea that there are objective viewers and subjective viewers is wrong to me. Some people may be more critical, but it’s still subjective criticism.
People arguing over how good a story is doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad, it may just mean that it did something controversial or doesn’t have mass appeal for another reason.
Your comment is basically a long way of saying that you are correct for not liking the ending and people who like it are too dumb to see why it’s bad.
I wouldn’t say people don’t argue over good stories. It depends on what you mean by that. Are we speaking strictly in terms of whether or not it is of quality? Because that I can get behind. But people absolutely can argue over things that are good. For instance, with breaking bad, people are always arguing about what decisions were good or bad that the characters make, which characters are ones to root for and not, yada yada. It’s absolutely possible to still have people arguing about things no matter how they fair quality wise.
With that said, I don’t know if Charlie would even think of himself as a subjective viewer. Everything he tackles like this he seems to take with an objective approach. Though he doesn’t seem to apply his standards too consistently
Damn I'm kinda surprised how many anime only's like the ending.
it seems like anime onlies only care about flashy colors and animation what a surprise
I'm not, anime onlies are more casuals then manga readers
Manga readers are literally forced to read panel by panel at their own pace. No music no nothing to understand. Anime onlies are gaslit into loving it with animation music and voice acting
Give them a few months…
Some of them are probably playing up their reactions to get more views, or not get flamed on from the majority of viewers who think the ending is a "masterpiece." It's something like a bandwagon effect.
It's hilarious to see Critikal say that critics of the ending are the people who "only watch for flashy action scenes and animation, or to see their favorite characters do random stuff" like that's exactly what we got, and those are the people who this ending was made for. Plot is sacrificed for the sake of fanservice. Story is sacrificed to give the fan favorite but extremely uninteresting "good guy" Alliance happy endings.
It's funny because I think Isayama realized that most of his fans didn't actually care about the story itself and were more interested in just seeing the good guy characters do cool things or be cute and quirky. So he chose to sacrifice the story, the messaging, and the themes in order to deliver a fanservice ending.
I think Eren represents Isayama in the ending, he's completely nihilistic because he is "predestined" to lose. I have no doubt that Isayama probably felt like he was "predestined" by the common audience as well as his editors to deliver a happy, fanservice ending so he decided to give us 139, where nothing makes sense but the Alliance wins and get all they wanted so the fans are mostly happy with it.
He's said that he was very in touch with the common fans and their reception, so at some point I think his editors and the fans made him go "You people are so stupid, you only care about your favorite fanservice characters getting a happy ending? Fine, you'll get it but at the expense of everything else. Hope you're happy, I'm going to cash out for now."
Even the extra pages are basically just Isayama's way of giving the middle finger to those fans. "Hope you liked your fanservice ending. Anyways, here's the whole island getting bombed to dust and a message about how nothing matters in the end and the whole story was pointless. Enjoy."
I agree that maybe the ending is Nihilistic because Isayama felt that way. But I legitimately don't see any major issues besides some of the character decisions.
People don't have to die to write and good story
You don't have to understand why people love each other either.
Many people in the world look and friends or famous people and wonder why they are even together
I think the themes and meanings were strong and it's bitter sweet. I think that, 80% is more than enough and I don't think its a happy ending.
A happy ending is everyone gets along, everyone lives happy ever after and all conflict ends.
It ends with the main cast STILL fighting for peace.
how is it a happy ending lmfao
@@ljeans531 The ending is executed horribly, but even if it wasnt it would still be a bad ending because the themes are arbitrary and inconsistent with the story that it's supposed to conclude. Nothing really makes any sense and I don't see how you could explain it.
The ending is a happy ending, at least for the Alliance, which is pure fanservice. This covers up the nihilistic message of the ending, which renders the story completely pointless to begin with.
The message of the ending is that it's wrong to fight to preserve anything, even your own life, because it won't last forever anyways so it's pointless. That's the message and theme conveyed by the ending. But it's applied completely arbitrarily and again, it renders the story pointless to begin with.
If the conflict between Eldians and non-Eldians is still ongoing after the ending then clearly 80% wasn't enough.
@@xEcuador1 It's a happy ending for the Alliance, you know, the characters? The nihilistic message is separate from the happy atmosphere and result of the main characters who pretty much get exactly what they wanted.
@@harpe9415 alright i got ya, but eren's secondary goal was also to protect paradis and let his close ones live "long lives" which they practically did. Dont get me wrong I hated the ending when i read the manga on release, gave some thought into it and became a mixed bag. After watching it animated, I compared it 1:1 with the book in my hand and realised what adding new scenes/dialogue/pacing improvements did to the overall ending, which was like an ouroboros theme where everything restarts, but seeing how paradis was basically cyberpunk thousands of years in the future (hint from the ost) its 100% likely its not even regarding the rumbling on why they're nuking paradis. Different politicans/characters/motives likely. Which is why I appreciated the theme of humanity always wanting to fight itself just to achieve their selfish goals. Which was iterated by erwin, kenny (slave to smth). I dont rlly get why you despise the alliance so much, im not rooting for them but they were og well-written characters from the ground up and now have sensible motivations in terms of the story, i wanted eren to win and wipe everyone including his friends initially just for the sole reason for him to break free of the loop and do smth, ANYTHING different so he'll stop being a patethic slave. But its kinda pointless in the future since paradis would probably multiply and have another civil war regarding some unrelated matters or different ideologies on 100% ing the world. Just my thoughts tho, how do you like the anime take on it?
The way Charlie talks feels like he got brain washed by EDs
All Charlie had to do was watch one invaders vid and now his mind is cooked
Dare I ask whats an ED
@@hecatrice2064 ending defender
Bro thought we wanted action and happy ending.
the strawmans anime only's have constructed to make people who didn't like the ending look bad have been utterly ridiculous
They need gymnastics, cause they are based on emooootions more than source material. I knew they will rationalize hard.
@@adampogadam2643 you literally have the mascot frog of edgelord incels as your profile pic. Could you cope any harder. Incel edgelords really do hate this ending.
Can you read Japanese?
I can. You didn't read base your opinions on source material either. You based it on fan translations lmao.@@adampogadam2643
Or maybe, just think for a second that u guys exagerated just a little bit on the ending
@@anointilisque7768UU wut there donkey? 😂
I mean if the Ending is good/masterpiece in his words. We wouldn't be having this civil war on the fandom. Which means those fans found a plot hole, something questionable or contradiction etc. in the story that leads them to hate it.
Back then before the Ending there was No large amount of arguing between the fandom. All we do chapter after chapter is praising Isayama.
So yeah Moist really can't blame people for not liking the ending.
We argued about erehisu and eremika just before the ending. That's how much we trusted isayama. We saw the rumbling arc drop in quality but we believed isayamas still had it in the bag. We were betrayed
That’s not how that works 😂
Exactly. Notice how the entire community was on the same page when the story was good? Now that it has heavy flaws, people are arguing. Same thing happened to Game of Thrones. Once the writing falls off a cliff, arguments begin.
@@snowinouterspace1883 We wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Indeed it is, tbh I was expecting an Anime Ending that is similar to the ending of "The Mist" since #1 Isayama mentioned it and #2 it perfectly fits on Aot since isayama doesn't think twice about killing fan loved characters. I can't say if the whole community expects an ending like that but they really expect a gut wrenching ending.
It's pretty much clear that casuals/normies will consume that dogshit ending regardless, they say we are schizophrenic and tell us that we didn't understand the story when they don't even know why they say that!
I think it being soread over so long made anime onlies forget how good previous seasons were. I think if AoT ended in one go then people would have disliked it. That and some people are actually coping like I did when I finished the manga. I tried justifying it for 3 months until I realised I was wrong and lying to myself. 6 months after the ending and thoe extra chapters just ruined it all. Terrible end full of plotholes. Felt like the whole story was meaningless
YEAH THAT'S WHY@@zub41r75
PLUS THEY WHERE HAVING LOW EXPECTATIONS CAUSE THEY HEARD THE ENDING IS BAD IN THE MANGA
How about after two years you just move on, aot ending is living rent free in your head 😭😭😭💀
@@kintama3453 I moved on long back but came back when the anime has come to an end 😂😂😂😂😂😂and tbh it was good while it lasted before the dumpster fire
fumbled ending
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W comment
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Lelouch's Zero Requiem doesn't work in AoT 💀
I've never seen a community that keeps on gasliting themselves to find any sort of way possible to defend this ending. The amount of riding is crazyyy
Theres people giving actual explanations on why they like the ending yall are just ignoring it lol
@@jayveonwalker4204 The same thing can be said about people explaining why it's bad but nah y'all just call em illiterate 🤷
@@punpun7164 every reason people give for it being bad are easily explained if they just read the story
@@hilollollol explain them then😂😂😂 give an actual answer not “ you didn’t understand the story”😂😂
@@aotgoat3267 well you havent given me anything to explain
Most reaction channels have very forced reactions. You can see where a lot of them want to say something about what they saw, but almost all of them just end up saying "it's perfect!" 😂
I know right 😂 like how is anyone accepting this CuCk ending like no I reject this wish, Isayama, all I have left is AOTnotreqiuem
Cope 🤣
Charlie is just an NPC
Edit: Anyone who has watched AOT and still pronounces Mikasa as “mi casa” (like it’s Spanish) is a complete normie NPC.
No
Facts
😳
I think his scripts are chatgpt
He likes the show, and admit there might be some flaws. He doesn’t care about debating, he just likes the show. Nothing wrong with that
In world of aot, Floch is the most consistent and logical character. But this is not the world that Yams wanted to be famous for. So he destroyed it.
I mean gabi before her development made more sense than the whole alliance
Gabi is retarded, child slave soldier, who has been on the frontlines of the war sitting in attendance of a declaration of genocide speech. Then she's crying angrily disillusioned why Marley is being attack as it was previous broken down for everyone to understand by Willy Tybur. Falco then reiterates this and she replies "did you see it happen", "neither did i".
But Floch isn't righteous, that's the point.
he isn't
So that's a manga reader's mind. Thinking Floch is a logical character... you really all do lack emotional intelligence don't you. You don't understand trauma or what it does to you.
Floch was traumatized and developed an entirely new persona just to combat that feeling and try to eliminate the fear and hopelessness he felt.
Floch is a very well written character, but he is no logical. He is emotional and irrational.
Remember when he was having drama with DarkViperAU. His hypocrisy was on full display.
DarkviperAU>>>>>MoistShittical
And his brain dead fans continued to believe their idol is always right lol
Yeah Charlie is officially fraud. idk how anybody can take this guy's opinion on any type of media knowing he thinks eren has a better conclusion than lelouch
bro y'all act like it the end of the world if people like the ending. It's not people can have opinions lol
He can have an opinion of course, but don't go around saying people who hate it are idiots while not even making an effort to search the criticisms, instead he made a Strawman Argument by saying those who like it just want Sunshine and Rainbows ending, lacking self awareness that the version we got was just that. @@blackgoku3289
@@blackgoku3289 It's not about preference, it's about quality. You are within your right to like a shitty ending, but you are not allowed to say it that other people are wrong without backing up your arguments with logic and evidence. Saint shows scenes and dialogues the entire time throughtout this video to prove his points.
@@blackgoku3289You can like the ending but to dismiss the other side's (valid) criticisms, then your just a biased moron.
@@blackgoku3289nah he said people who thought it was bad didn’t watch the show he fucked up with that one 😂 now I’m officially allowed to go out of my way and use the story to shit on your opinion to prove I very much did watch and understand the show much more than you did
Classic ED mindset. They do as much copium as AOE bros, if not more, and mindfawk themselves into believing stuff that's not there.
I honestly don't know if they just parrot the same things they hear, but it's astonishing that they always come back to ignoring the story itself and gaslighting the "haters" for pointing out the facts.
At least aoe theories made sense unlike the ed's "takes"
@@annett5the AoE theorist are just Clowns, same as the Ending Defenders.😂
what really pisses me of about charlie’s Take is that in code geas. Lelouch’s most known quote is - “only those who are prepared to be killed are those who should kill” or smthn like that and he works according to this principle to his dying breath despite having his sister nunnaly that he loved so much witnessing his death and not being able to be with her. Eren completely shits on this idea cuz he robbed 80% of the populations people - their entire dreams, livelihoods, loved ones and everything that encapsulated their lives and then still moans like a bitch saying he doesn’t want to die and that he wants to be with mikasa. he doesn’t have the right to live never mind the right to be with anyone and i don’t get how Charlie doesn’t see this contradiction.
Because Eren isn’t lelocuh dude 💀 different people and different circumstances, I didn’t like the ending but even I can see that.
@@Jason-zu7jtThen why did Charlie make the comparison to begin with
@Jason-zu7jt Lelouch didn't want to die either. What is this guy talking about.
Also in Lelouch case, He got a majority of the people important to him killed or almost killed.
Eren saved almost everyone he cared about from a total genocide. No one was going to genocide the whole of Japan. The themes are similar and Charlie is right when he says the outcome of Eren actions are more realistic. In the end of Code Geass, (which I love the entire show btw) Kallen says all wars stopped and there was peace.
I always thought that was idealistic and cheesy. And not at all like human nature.
@@ljeans531 wdym Lelouch didn’t want to die. No one wants to die but he obviously held to a principle that he is taking lives so would happily die for the cause that’s the whole point of Zero and his entire character. Also eren saving his friends doesn’t even matter because the mf said he’d do the rumbling anyway because he wanted to see that sight. so that point is redundant. and no one is arguing that fighting won’t stop and wars will all cease to exist but I think ur forgetting that Marley was literally demonising and indoctrinating their children to hate eldians on paradis. Also how in the hell would Erens action lead to temporary peace anyway when If you forget the start of the story it was the opposite way and eren literally says he’ll kill all the titans and was so filled with rage and then vows to kill all the enemies of the other side. So you think some kid or even adult who loses their entire family, homeland and literally everything that is important to them because eren crushed it all wouldn’t hold that same sentiment - “because he jusf wanted to” and u think they wouldn’t retaliate quicker that was shown in the show that’s ridiculous.
@zeniqz5422 OK once again, Eren would have never done this if the world he saw in Grisha memories was welcoming. Sure it had similar issues and conflict. When he said "I did it cause I wanted to, idk why." He means he wanted to wipe away everything and start fresh, because that dream gave him hope.
Killing people is the side effect of his goals, his goal is not to kill people. It's to wipe the world clean.
And if his friends weren't in danger I don't think he would, he would die soon anyway. His friends are in danger BECAUSE the world is against them, and Eren wants to wipe it away BECAUSE the world isn't a welcoming place.
It's not one thing or another. Eren doesn't know what he wants because of the simultaneous future past and present. But he knew enough to tell all his friends what to do.
The ending was easy to comprehend, it was poorly executed. It all goes back well before 139. Eren isn’t involved for majority of the final arc. However, we learned TIME and TIME again he does the rumbling because his friends AND not to leave Paradise’s future to chance; implying that if he doesn’t rumble, the island isn’t guaranteed safety! The ending suggests he didn’t give a shit about Paradise and did it because of a book (which is made more stupid by Armin saying “I helped cause this too because I showed you a picture book). Second point, there are zero casualties from the alliance during one of the most ridiculous battles. Even if they are skilled, the constant asspull to just be saved makes for a complete lack of tension. Remember how fighting common or abnormal titans was VERY difficult for anyone who wasn’t Mikasa or Levi? But now they are geared up against thousands of shifters!! They could barely beat Annie in S1! Third point, why does the rumbling stop when Zeke is dead? It only started AFTER Ymir chose Eren and set her free. It also makes no sense that her love for her abuser was what kept her away for 2000 years. You’re telling me it wasn’t the love for your children?! Why does Mikasa killing Eren make Ymir stop the curse?! Necrokiss is gross as hell too btw. Anyway I’m rambling on about this shit. But I knew there was no AOE coming, anime might have been flashy in some instances (still no WiT) but the added dialogue did not make things better. In fact, it makes Eren look worse!
Yea the zero casualties makes no sense but on fighting titans they have better gear so it makes sense they would be a bit better at taking out titans. Also remember they literally wiped out all the titans on the island. About zekes death I believe his Royal blood was a condition as well as having ymir so even though he had Ymir’s help when zeke died the conditions weren’t met anymore due to lack of Royal blood. Ymir loving her captor is just some deus ex machina so I agree with you there.
I liked the ending somewhat but I don’t fully disagree with your take I just wanted to add to the discussion of possible plotholes. ❤
@@lotus4147That’s fair! I just think given the circumstances of the final fight, it seems so outrageous to think they all make it out. Yes, you are right their gear is superior to the early days, everyone is more skilled and they have 3 shifters on their side. But it was hundreds of shifters they fought! I think it adds weight to the situation.
Yeah, I guess given how the rumbling started was a result of them touching along with Ymir’s influence.
The points I find offensive are Eren’s motivation and Ymir. I have no problem with Eren and Mikasa having a romance; however, Eren never demonstrated any romantic interest towards Mikasa for years on end.
I do also agree with Saint’s take on how Eren’s so called Lelouch plan is stupidly executed. Why would any surviving person out in the world choose to believe that Eldians were the ones who killed them?! It just continues that fear.
I personally found Eren 100 percent rumbling would have been the better avenue because you could still show the message of violence never ceasing on Paradise. I also think Eren having to live with his choice would be powerful. Perhaps I always wanted AnR; and I know how ppl feel about that. But I think that ending was poignant than what we got.
@@LordVerdo I think Eren withheld showing his feelings because they way it was setup for Mikasa to kill him he didn’t want to tell Mikasa how much he really loved her. When he told Armin about everything in the paths he chose to not let him keep his memories of the path until after he died probably indicating he didn’t want Armin to tell Mikasa about his feelings.
Yea maybe the 100% rumbling could’ve been executed but personally it didn’t ruin my enjoyment of the ending I feel some people make it out to be what ruined the ending for them.
One thing I really dislike though is the mysterious Mikasa ending. Isayama went though all that at the end with eren snd mikasa just to hint at her having a relationship with someone else?? Idk Mikasa being in a married relationship is problematic for many other reasons to me but yea.
Maybe they should have killed one more person off considering they had a whole large scale fight almost akin to a war and still had no casualties. I think Isayama wanted to highlight erens death in those final scenes but it’s a bit unrealistic. Honestly the entire final fight is ridiculous.
@@lotus4147 If the royal blood was a needed connection for Eren to use the founding titan stuff and start the rumbling, how come after Zeke is killed Eren still transforms into a Collosal titan Eren, despite not having access? Also couldn't Ymir just keep them moving on her own like how she manipulated the past titan shifters and because she basically controls everything? I always saw it as the royal blood just needing to be there for them to access paths to converse with Ymir to have her do stuff for them.
@@spartanoreo5075 The rumbling requires Royal blood I’m pretty sure the titan stuff is due to having access/control of the paths. Ymir molded all the titans forms in the paths and that’s different from the rumbling. At least that’s my theory u can see why it’s confusing because I don’t think it’s stated whether the rumbling is different from the paths and if they r the same or u get both at the same time.
AoT was always mid, we just couldn't see it
It fell off as soon as Annie ate that pie as a humour
I don't like the word mid but aot really always was avarage it was like a 6/10 at best like it blew my mind when People were shocked or excited about anny being a titan because it was super obvious and poorly executed and then she turn into ice after losing like she legit existed only to give a cool fight and add a little bit of mystery that later turned out to be a huge letdown
@@coltwgriceyou are simply unintelligent
Aot was never mid buddy
Cap. From Season 2 to end of Season 3, this show was peak.
You cooked him 🔥80% of EDs will be COOKED
How much dickriding u gon do?😭
He did not but ok
@@mazkhasate shut up ED
Y'all gotta move on . This is just pathetic
@@mazkhasate you love chattin here but I don't see you debating saint on stream
W. Average ending lover “U DIDNT UNDERSTAND THE ENDING” maybe ur mom ain’t ur biological mother
u gonna cry???
@@Tupadre97she male is crying manga readers didn’t like the ending
@@chrispolo25 no only u didn't like it, me and most other manga readers liked it and the anime made it even better
@@Tupadre97 just cope and seethe little soy jr.
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"You can boil it down to war never changes, humans are just predisposed to it. No matter how large the conflict is, no matter how great the resolution is, or how long the period of peace is, it's only a matter of time until the cycle starts over again."
I don't disagree with this...but this in no way conflicts with the ending people wanted. In fact, if conflict started up again but under Eldians that would make this thematic point stronger, as it shows how quickly people can forget what unified them together in the past and just start killing each other all over again. We literally saw this all throughout the series inside the walls with everyone being obsessed with status and titles that were meaningless!
Even in a Eldian civil war I'd imagine Eren would be ok with that because it's people being free to fight for whatever, instead of being persecuted for simply existing/being born which is what he opposed on a philosophical and emotional level, pre-139 Eren I should say.
Also idk what entirely the point was of the children out of the forest scene with Gabi becoming peaceful when "war always happen" contradicts that? seemed like a waste of time.
@@islandboy9381 "it's people being free to fight for whatever" No it isn't. It just takes the Yeagerists saying you're no true Eldian if you don't follow their ideology and treat you then like second class humans and bring you into reeducation camps. Oh nooo, you're forced into a conflict you didn't choose to be in. I thought I was free to fight for whatever...
@@islandboy9381 he just threw whatever he could draw in those final pages
Moist is the most gratifying coward on CZcams TBH.
What about sneako 😂
What are you on about bruh
True, let's not forget his fans will agree with anything he says 🤦🏾♂️😂
Moist has the most sheep audience
2021 all over again but this time the majority is more than before.
I thought this was worse than GoT tbh. The most important emotional moments, thematic moments, and character arc resolutions were *all* done via stupid plot twists or convoluted scenes that made the writer seem like even more of an idiot than Eren. The whole story was about vengeance and hatred causing more endless violence but they just sidestepped all that for like 20 minutes to force in a happy tone, and then backtrack in an end credit montage? Wild decision making there
If you think this ending is worse than GOT, then you don't understand writing. How many characters did Attack on Titan's ending assassinate? 2? 3? At worst, I can see the argument for 4 characters being assassinated, but that's a stretch.
In GOT, pretty much every primary or secondary character is destroyed. Tyrion, Varys, Daenerys, Jon, Arya, the Hound, Sansa, Samwell, Cersei... The only even remotely important characters to escape intact are Theon and maybe Jorah. But aside from that, it was a character slaughterhouse.
You might be able to argue that AoT's ending was as bad on a plot or thematic level (although you'd be completely wrong), but nothing it has can possibly compete with how GOT completely gutted almost its entire cast.
@@megashark1013lol i feel like i saw u before riding mappa hard.. Anyways about Got and aot, aot is worse cause it happened in Both mediums while the formers source material is still on going.
@@megashark1013 problem for me is that with GoT it was at least obvious that the writers just didn’t care anymore, but AoT had to force in half a dozen plot twists and exposition dumps to try and justify these decisions, then betrayed its own theme by letting Eren succeed at giving them a happy ending and pushing the consequences onto a far future generation that the audience isn’t connected to. Not to mention all the convoluted time travel and forced love story nonsense that was added here. With GoT I could see it being fine had it not been rushed, and if the arcs had time to play out the way they did in a satisfying way. Here it seems like the writer thought it was amazing and did a major cop out by having Eren realize he was an idiot, still succeed in his plan at least for now, and let everyone be happy until the violence continues a few hundred years in the future.
@@megashark1013 GoT ending was crap because the writers don't have a source material to adapt so they come up with their own. AoT is worse because Isayama is incompetent.
GOT still has an above 8 score on IMDB, so it really doesn't matter how much the final stretch is absolute shit and destroys all the prior build up, so long as the mainstream already was on board with the series when it was at it's most peak and popularity then casuals will cope and eat it up even when it turns shit anyway.
Moist critical always just chooses the popular opinion to keep subs
Isn’t the popular opinion to trash on the ending though?
@@erickhouston2967nah, since manga ending ppl were posting "you didn't understand the ending" and 30+ min videos trying to explain that the end was satisfying
@@erickhouston2967 not recently
@@erickhouston2967 the much more popular opinion is that the ending is great especially after the final ep came out
Genocide happens because Ymir has Stockholm syndrome
people who generally think this ending was peak is deranged 😂
“N-no… anime only’s loved it?! I wanted the ending to be hated for 10 years at least!!”
@@jdn3219bro fr they are crying about Eren been pathetic and they even more pathetic than him what a bad joke😂
@iamlyricvfx The fact that YOU are calling other people "deranged" just for liking the ending to an anime really shows how deranged and hateful YOU are.
And by the way, I loved the ending to AOT. I hope that makes you really angry and upset with me😂😂
@@jdn3219 Appeal to popularity fallacy.
I’m fine if people personally like the ending but are people calling it peak and masterpiece? It's a little over-exaggerated
Moist lost all credibility to criticize any movie,anime,show for saying this ending is a masterpiece
Seems like it
Sheep, only discrediting him as soon as he disagrees with you. He’s has shittier takes than this in the past
@@CombatUnit621literally like he just has the same opinions everyone has that’s how he got so many followers in the first place just by following the herd
Fact
He lost me when he said luffy is the worst character in one piece 🤷🏽♂️
Cook his ass 😂
Saint did nothing 🤦♂️
@@mazkhasate I mean, he did offer to debate Moist live, apparently, but the latter refused, which says quite a bit.
@@Ryuseishunas much as I would love to see it. he isn't going to waste time on some no name CZcamsr arguing about a Japanese cartoon lmao.
@@adsonn8740 true 😔
@@Ryuseishunwhy would he want to do that
been waiting on your reaction Chief! hope all is well with you
The people defending this ending and calling out the people who didn’t like the ending are the same people who will send death threats and trash other shows for the way they end yet have the nerve to say we are evil people and that they are nice.
Facts niggas will literally get shit canceled but praise this as a masterpiece damn hypocrites
Remember the eremikas who doxxed us on twitter for arguing against eremika. No wonder isayama gave in to them. They are the most insane part of the community. Ending haters pale in comparison
@@JojoSmacksFR they hate Eren's guts but were sad that Mikasa couldn't be together with someone they all considered a genocidal moron? Shit doesn't add up except being way too much of a illogical stan.
You’re wierd
@@JojoSmacks They actually did that?!! Who got doxxed?
Saint prepare for the new batches of Ending defenders. Stay strong and keep the fight on
Y’all gotta let it go, people enjoyed the ending in the anime, and felt satisfied in the end, it is what it is.
What a great cause to fight for❤
@@ugobrown2357 It's a good thing that they enjoyed it. I hate the ending too but I don't want them to experience the sht-storm we Manga readers got in through lol.
@@ugobrown2357 nah if we are attack on titan fan we gotta hate the ending. It's a must 🤣
@@ugobrown2357 I envy them, I wish I could be as happy as them :((
He hated Last of Us 2 because that was the most popular opinion
He liked AOT ending because that was the most popular opinion.
Enjoy the views moist
most popular opinion is ending is bad buddy
@@vlexxin3964hating something like aot isnt the most popular. We wouldn't be having to argue with so many people if it was that way
Moist isnt the sharpest tool in the shed thats for sure
yeah dawg idk what mr penguinz is talking about but you right
I really cant describe how bad the story was after eren touched zekes hand. Absolutely every descision was terrible.
Ok, minority
Im not gonna listen to a mf who never watched the show in 2013 calling this dog shi ending good😂😂
Well, I started watching aot in 2020 and I'm 10000% sure the conclusion is bad
@@annett5Same here miss Annett
Didn’t expect saint to post it this quick🤣🤣
I already knew Charlie was full of crap ever since he gave God of Highschool like a 90% or so on his moist meter. So this isn’t a shock.
NPC ahh comment
Goh has only good fights and music
Man has different opinion to other man 😱😱😱😱
@@Luke-pk7yb not all opinions are equal and deserved to be trashed on you can have your opinion and someone else can think your opinion is trash 😱😱😱😱
He admits that his brain is smooth
Soy boy brain at best
Bro said the Aot ending was better than the Code Geass ending 💀
Hello charlie fanboy from twitter or search bar. I also really love watching charlies streams and videos. But also like saint as well.
I agree with saint here. I almost felt insulted how many ironic statements moist made in his video that directly applied to anime onlies
Like saying "anyone who hates it was only watching for animation, colors, and random moments" MOIST WE READ THE MANGA IN BLACK IN WHITE. the panels are literally equivalent to watching a slideshow that goes 1 fps
Saint doesnt care whether someone likes the ending or not. Its when "good, well written, masterpiece" are used where he is of use. Trying to destroy saints character instead of actually listening to his explanation, or even refute it is WEAK
Sure his hating of the manga for 2 years up to now may be seen as pathetic but to him it was 10 years of his life wasted actively following this story for it to be butchered. But just cause saint is "pathetic" doesn't fix the ending. Keep coping.
Also the voice acting music and animation is why so many of you were swayed so easily
manga reader here, i think moist just say sht like that cuz his audience are so barebone and casual, but aside from the incredible artistic choices, i DO think the anime did some panels of the manga justice like added dialogue/scenes/pacing. I started to appreciate the manga's theme about ouroboros and restarting regardless of what changes as its in humanity's nature to fight itself for their selfish goals like what erwin said. I still hoped eren would go berserk/at least changed SMTH towards the end to actually prove what he meant by trying different things to achieve nothing at all, ending would play out the same but he still gets killed etc. What are your thoughts on the anime?
Hm.
@@xEcuador1I thought the anime did Eren worse than ever before. I feel insulted on a personal level when I saw Eren say that. Not cause it's cringe but cause it's out of character and directly attacks old themes.
Like I said before. I watched the cour 4 times now. And I'm certain the animation, music, and voice acting is what allowed so many of you to accept this ending. Especially the Mikasa bird scene. The music was beautiful I knew many of you guys would overlook all the issues due to this alone.
I think mappa adapted it 7/10 on the average but had some incredible 10/10 moments if we are acting like the ending is good. But it's not. Mappa isn't to blame. Isayama is. Isayama deserves the criticism. I hated isayama after the manga ended but I believed he would fix the plotholes in the anime if he chose to adapt 139 but he didn't even do that. Made Eren worse. Made Armin better but weirder. Reconned the end. By leaks given from official leakers the ending was changed to cyberpunk after the leakers received their leaks. (Why the animation on it looks so weird) the 2004 missle things that destroyed cyberpunk paradise would literally be hundreds of years outdated when compared to cyberpunk. And it doesn't even match the background. From.the leaks shown it actually matched the mangas path and showed paradise getting carpet bombed roughly (100 years-200 years) after erens death. But it doesn't fix the issues due to time increase.
the way yall dickriding this man needs to be studied
W video and rare L from Charlie
common L actually
Saint is cooking 😂
🗣️🗣️COOKED HIM
Saint was so wrong
@@mazkhasate why? can you explain and why are you commenting on every comment here. are you a moise fanboy? you making him look bad rn and didnt he make a video about his community not going on other videos like this?
@@AGENTMYRIE67 I was trolling my fault bro
ok@@mazkhasate
not really. Moist says Erens answer to everything is rage. Then Saint pulls up the clip of eren saying he was disappointed and wanted to wipe it all away". Like bruh, the clip literally proved Moists point but then everyone says he cooked him even though hes contradicting himself and using his arguments to support Moists unintentionally
I’m sorry dude but if you start an argument with, I’m a professional AOT hater” people won’t take you seriously
I kinda wish he just said critic and not hater. People now don't give af when he's right. He gets called a hater so often I guess it never crossed his mind
Ending defenders don’t deserve happiness
Saint doesn’t deserve happiness
Fun fact: they enjoyed final episode.
@@mazkhasatechill ur ass, you are everywhere
Saint Is just mad that the ending didn't fulfill his edgelord fantasy and eren probably reminds saint too much of himself and it makes him very insecure lol
@@AOTisthebestanimeeverthey aren‘t. It only needs one guy to say that he doesn‘t like the ending and the ending defenders get instantly butthurt
This is just a CZcams version of a language arts class sarcastic seminar
Sweet Home Alabama tududududum... background music for this guy. Bruh smoked too much before watching the ending thinking that this 139 OG ending is not rainbow's and unicorn farts.
I had mad respect for Moist, but man....this ain't it.
Why? He just repeats the most uncontroversial opinions, figure things for yourself.
@@FenShen-us9tv I respect his hustle and how entertaining some of his rambles can be. Is that not allowed?
Most of his anime takes are pretty ass, though.
@@Ryuseishun bro glazing
@@FenShen-us9tv I'm not allowed to find entertainment in something? It's not like I really support him that much, anyways.
@@Ryuseishunliterally the only anime take he has that’s good is rating Re zero a 90, even then most definitely not it deserves 100
Now, me personally, I think the anime ending is better than the manga simply because they rearranged, cleaned up, and re wrote the conversation between eren and armin. That basically saved the ending for me. I didn’t need an AOE, I just needed mappa to fix what isayama got lost in translation and execution
See you in hell *smiles*. You call that “cleaned up”? That’s known as “butchering.” Why are they acting like hell is going to be some walk in the park 🤡.
@@Vortex_ICEcolddude can add the concept of hell but can't be bothered to just go through with the rumbling 100% and then have god reset the world in a loop like devilman. Iseyama is a fool
Also he was praising erens character development last season but now he never changed 😂 so either it’s a retcon or he’s a bad character which is it Charlie
No shocking for me since he said that he'll like the ending anyway
How could anyone think this garbage ending is good! If you go look at the comments on his video they are all like OMG THE ENDING WAS SO GOOD. Absolutely ridiculous I’m tired of hearing oh the manga readers just don’t understand it.
However you may be tired of hearing it, we're just right so...🥱
@@a-ha4940give me reasons why the ending sucks and I'll tell you how you're wrong
They can: idiots, copers, emotional consoomers and trolls.
@@spiderapple5839You have many Saints videos and analysis, but still trying to play a game 😂
80% of humanity dying is pretty sad in my opinion. the ending is bitter sweet cuz the characters had hope after tragedy. that’s not a happy ending, which would be having hope w/ a good situation.
Most of those critical of the ending don't realize that what they wanted was _the_ defacto "happy ending" for Eren and Paradis. Like Armin said, "What, you can't have war if there are no people? It's like a bad joke. Who would take it seriously?"
Apparently, a lot of people.
What a MAN Eren is. He had enough foresight to create a plan that will have us arguing about him for 10 YEARS AT LEAST 😭😭 fly high in the sky king.. CACAW or whatever noise a bird makes..
*poops on Mikasas scarf*
Sir cough cough. It’s TATACAW TATACAW
Bro wants all the smoke. Careful you don’t get turned into Armin lol
I guess that means he'll win in the end. For 10 years at least
Damn it Charlie. YOU HAD ONE JOB!
Ending haters fr be like: “I didn’t like this ending therefore everyone who does like it must be wrong”. Like fucking hell y’all give off fatherless energy
They are wrong. That's our whole points you can like a crappy ending. But just cause you like a dog ending doesn't mean it's a good logical and well built upon ending.
@@JojoSmacksexactly 💯
And ending defenders be like: “This ending is perfect, and if you think otherwise, yOU jUSt DONT uNdERstanD” 🤓
You got ratio'd hard bud. As a reward for your failure, I shall give you my...
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 of course I’m gonna get ratioed if the comment section thinks the exact same way as y’all. You didn’t think I thought of that?
Will there be discussions between the owners of large channels?
When is the finale reaction video coming out @saintitchief ???
Commenting to help this guy's vid in the algorithm
everyone mad over an opinion lmao yall people need to get over yourselves.
Doesnt charlie literally make videos shitting on people for their opinions or actions? Why is charlie special?
@@daizenmarcurioexactly 💯
Charlie and you ending defender are the first to called us illerate or "not understanding the ending" when we are showing you many thing that was out of character, never develop or built upon o thar was brought up but it was never given use.
@@kyordannydelvalle523 I didn’t ask your reasoning on why you dislike it, I never even said I even liked it to begin with. Nor did I even agree with Charlie’s opinion. So what’s the point of this comment? Also who is “we” maybe the people in this community actually backed up there opinions. But 90% of the time I see people calling the ending bad they never give a reason.
@@dre27321 Backed up your opinion. I am seeing the opposite xd
“Never changed” like my guy did you not see the ocean scene? It’s like anything pre season 4 doesn’t exist to them
What point are you trying to make to bring up the ocean scene? That scene is even more evident of how Eren’s character never changed. He is still the same kid wanting to kill all the titans, except the only thing that’s changed is who he views as his enemies. He hadn’t changed at all. If you’re talking about him being unphased by the ocean, it was because the ocean was representative of freedom for him, and upon learning about the outside world and Marley, his idea of freedom is crumbled and the ocean no longer signifies that for him, but instead how he is still not free. And due to erens nature, he just keeps fighting. Seriously though, if you could elaborate on what you mean i would appreciate it.
For the record Lelouch did kill a ton of people or at least resulted in their deaths. They point this out a lot in the final battle a number of times. Still nowhere near 80% of the population, but just thought I'd mention.
Will yall keep crying about people liking the ending for years to come? 😂 how insecure are yall lmfaooo.
I'll keep debunking lovers of this inconsistent ending for 10 years atleast Nooo I DONT WANT THAT
Me when i cant handle people criticizing something i like
As a reward for you crying about people criticizing, I shall give you my...
Yeah. I'm so mad 😡 we didn't get a happy ending 🙄. Bro should have done more research. But tbf, the last season was split into 4 parts months apart. So they had forgotten what had happened in each part. All they know is Eren's evil, Alliance good. And the ending showed them that Eren's good and the alliance good. But world died. So tragic story. It's all 1D for them. They all go off of what 139 says instead of what the overall story was about. It's just consuming shit with no questions.
True
Charlie 139'd his own arguments in the video bruh
Moist got the worse take on AOT. However, he’s just an enjoyer of the worse ending of all time. Overall, we wouldn’t take whatever this man say seriously anymore.
go back to pre k
@@spiderapple5839you’re mad 🤡
@christhechilled nah im just smarter than you
PREACH IT SAINT. Spread the words of what true kino would be
i never liked moist
I still like em. Just hate that he is pandering rn. Saint makes a good point critical was so different when it was last of us 2 now here he is glazing the theme
He was better before he showed his face. Afterwards he just became insufferable imo
Lol so eren nature slave to freedom is compared to ymir love for fritz? A literal mental illness? What on earth do ending defenders smoke?
Bro destroyed critkal with straight facts from the anime 😂
As an anime watcher/non manga reader ( nangas aren't available where i am from), i thought the ending was good when i first watched it. Probably because of the animation, phenomenal voice acting and the soundtrack. I was riding the high if watching the finale with everyone after falling in love with this show when i started watching it earlier last year. Now that the high has died down, and i keep replaying this final episode and connecting it to the previous seasons, there are so many plot holes thst don't make sense. Erika is my biggest pet perve. There were ZERO SIGNS of eren being in love with mikasa only for it to be thrown at us at the end!? He treated her horribly in some instances throughout the seasons. The sick part os that people actually support this, which makes me concerned at how their real life relationships are like. Do you pine for someone who shows no interest in you for the rest of life and think it's perfectly fine? What!? Also, i don't understand, was eren under the control of ymir or doing it on his own free will? If it's the latter why have so much remorse? If you wanted this why call yourself an idiot who lusted for power, when throughout the four seasons he seemingly had a goal (or some goal). The whole killing his mother was a shock to me because i thought yhat was isayam's plan from the beginning. But when thinking about it, it doesn't make sense. She didn't have to die like that. Eren could have saved jer and sent Dina wandering elsewhere. Surely seeing his mum get injured and barely survive the attack should have been more than enough motivation to join the scouts. And the more i watch your reactions to his interviews, the more i realise that he really did mess up his ending and is now backtracking. It's sad and i can only imagine the pain of those who have been fans from 2013 and hate this.
The one thing i am happy or relieved about is that he didn't destroy Levi's character. He is my number one favourite and thank God he remained consistent to the end.
That's the problem that more you think about it ,it gets worse.
Lol, but it is kinda ironic that 80% of the story is peak,consistent, and good, but the 20% left is bad.
Actually, levi was destroyed. He became a hypocrite and didn't have conviction post-timeskip
I also accepted the ending overall. I hated that Eren destruction but tried to accept it. But I kept rereading and man it gets worse and worse
@@annett5 Exactly.
The same character who was all about having “no regrets” and “choose to fight by yourself or trust your comrades”. He passed said knowledge to Eren back in season 1 and it failed the first time around. Then gave him the choice again in the cave in season 3. Eren chose himself and they all lived(because ain’t no way they were going to survive if he picked them at that moment). Now in season 4, Levi kicked him in the face because Eren did something he didn’t agree with.
I guess Isayama was trying to do a “homage” to how Levi used to kick Eren into shape back then or something, but I knew he became a hypocrite like the rest the moment he hit him just because he didn’t agree with the Leberio raid.
INDEED. I was gonna write the same until i read your comment till the end😅@@ScarletBlisss
if he likes the whole "hero falling from grace" thing, why does he also like the fact that they negated the entire thing in the ending?
My boy Saint wants all the smoke and im here for it
Saints demon arc. Him vs the world of illiterate eremika/anime onlies ending lovers
@@JojoSmacksW comment
Bro I fucking love your videos man
they're shit