Chaotic Shadow Warriors [Bumbles McFumbles]
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A card game featuring Wisdom, Power, and Courage as stats being bought by a man named Ganon but with an extra N is just... A special kind of hilarious.
It'd be even moreso if the game exploded into three pieces and scattered when he laid hands on it.
Gannon was used in the OG Zelda games.
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 I mean if 4Kids didn't abandon the IP to die, I'm sure it would've happened someday.
@@toumabyakuya Y-yeah... That's the irony they are commenting on. You didn't have to explain 🤔
@@ameladaptivedaydreamer949 I know, I was just saying that the creator's name fits perfectly without needing to be changed at all.
Maybe the reason Chaotic fans prop up the “4Kids Lawsuit” story isn’t just because research is hard, but because they don’t want to accept that the product they have so much nostalgia for just… didn’t catch on.
It's one of those shames when you learn your niche series you like as a kid wasn't actually that popular. So you make up reasons for it's unpopularity instead of accepting that you were a big fan in a really small fanbase.
I'd just always heard the lawsuit story from retrospect videos and didn't look into it further.
Id hear it from videos before but hearing that its not real just
makes sense.
i know 4chan is one of the old age internet villains but the way people described them during this supposed lawsuit made them just seem like
Incompetent Cartoon Villians.
makes sense it always was just cope.
@@sipcee Very different thing that starts with the letter 4
@@GenericProtagonist118I mean there’s plenty of niche successful franchises like
But it just feels like no one had faith in Chaotic to just let it be its own small thing and not dominate so abandoned it
I can't believe it wasn't 4kids who killed Chaotic, but all those kids who failed to give Tom their parents' credit card numbers on Christmas.
Jack learnt so much about law researching the Punch-Out!! videos he's slowly becoming a lawyer
The physical whiplash I felt when you said the TCG Chaotic and my brain dragged up long, long forgotten memories of seeing 2 episodes of the anime. Can't wait for you to cover Huntik in the future.
i freaking love huntik, every time there was an episode airing my ass was sat down ub front of the tv no matter what.
@@vitaleriofevery couple of months my brain is like: "REMEMBER HUNTIK?" and I love it every time
Huntik was great
@@vitaleriof Was that the one where characters rolled dice to cast spells and summon familiars
@@grangisjefe2564 Nope Huntik was Historiecal Pokemon with pendants instead of balls
Man, learning the truth about Chaotic was a real kick in the teeth. I do hope Gannon’s efforts to make a comeback with a series gets somewhere so I have a third hobby to dump vast amounts of money into
These last few weeks have been a treat, nothing hits quite like Bumbles talking about something you know little to nothing about or have only the vaguest memories of, but damn if he won't keep you invested in it until the video hits the credits!
I always appreciate you're wonton deep dives that always, ALWAYS make clear your sources and fact check everything, never succumbing to the common, cop-out rumors. It's just a level of integrity few youtubers have an something you wouldn't expect from such a comedy-oriented channel.
On that note, having MVCI Pheonix Wright gameplay play over you're literal objection to a common heresay, with said heresay being ABOUT an LAWSUIT is a level of multi-layered humor I can only aspire to.
Never stop Bumbles, never ever stop.
I think he learned a lot from the Nuclear Gandhi incident.
@@misterbadguy7325 ?
@@captainmega6310 His video about game glitches that became part of future installments included the urban legend that Civilization's Gandhi was bugged to become hyperaggressive, and that was the source of why future games tend to add a strong preference for nuclear weapons to his AI. In reality, none of this was true. No such bug exists, and none of the coding for the bug to happen exists in the game. Though there was a fandom joke about Gandhi loving nukes, it came from the fact that opposing AIs in early games would add "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!" to their communications once they researched the technology, and people thought it was funny to see Gandhi say that. The idea of it being the result of a bug was something posted without a source to TV Tropes, and from there, it spread like wildfire.
@@misterbadguy7325 I see.
@@misterbadguy7325 yeah I'll admit I should have done more research about that. Thank God that video isn't randomly like stupid popular for no reason
You disserve an award for doing what everyone else didn't: research. It's crazy (okay not really) that people would follow Reddit posts and what not for info on the games cancelation being over a lawsuit, especially when there is every other TCG you mention repeatedly over the past month.
Well, this was unexpectedly sobering. But I think I can offer some insight on why the lawsuit theory might’ve caught on so damn much in the surviving Chaotic fandom despite not actually being true.
My brother and I were both huge fans of the show and card game, and for me in particular it was an outright special interest/hyperfixation. So, perhaps unfortunately for me, I was under no delusions about how popular it Chaotic wasn’t, because I desperately kept searching for someone IRL besides my brother who even knew it existed, and was forced to resign myself to online friends. I *knew* Chaotic was only moderately successful, for a while I’d try to drag anyone who’d lend an ear into engaging with it so it could keep going. When I started seeing it advertised outside of 4kids I thought it was about to finally really catch on and was excited, only for Chaotic to seemingly vanish off the face of the earth out of nowhere. And it did feel really sudden, while I had trouble finding people who liked it, I didn’t have trouble finding the cards at least in stores like Target. The selection was small but they were there. And then all of a sudden they just, weren’t.
I was confused for a long time, but eventually I just concluded that it just wasn’t popular enough. I was still a teenager at the time and talking to strangers online was scary, and when Chaotic vanished I ended up drifting away from the forums because there wasn’t new content to make the online interaction worth the risk. I was sad about it but eventually I had to move on. For the longest time while I was absolutely critical of 4kids and their localization being nothing more than a polite term for censorship, I never really saw them as evil for that. They weren’t the only ones guilty of that crap at the time, they were just the particularly extreme and *stupid* examples. Chaotic however was always the one thing I couldn’t help but give them credit for.
And then about a decade after the fact I start watching retrospective videos from creators I *thought* were trustworthy and I “find out” about this supposed lawsuit, yeah I did turn on 4kids because Chaotic *was* the one good thing I thought they did, and then it seemingly turns out they screwed Chaotic over right when it counted most. And thinking they screwed Chaotic over was what made me jump on the ‘4kids is evil’ bandwagon. This comment is getting too long but Chaotic very much has a special place in my heart regardless of its quality, because it’s what led me to discover a passion for storytelling, I went from hating English with a burning passion, to writing being one of my biggest creative outlets. I might not be who I am today if Chaotic had never existed, so thinking 4kids basically killed the franchise out of greed just immediately evaporated the tentative amount of good will I had.
But now that it’s being all laid out, yeah, this really does go to show why you need to think critically about everything, *including criticism.* I am feeling a little red faced for being so easily swayed out of the most logical conclusion without even thinking to check the sources.
All that said, it still doesn’t change how much fondness I have for this series. And I do hope Bryan Gannon gets the revival off the ground, I do think the lore aspect is actually one of its biggest selling points. I got into the game because I loved how it felt like I was getting peaks into a whole different world through the cards, the creatures felt alive in a way that a lot of other card game monsters just don’t. And I hope the show gets revived with the animation and art direction it deserves.
My only opinion with the game is that we spent ages trying to find a copy of the stupid thing, only to realize too late our Wii had freaking died and couldn’t read discs anymore. If they ever try to make another one I hope they do more justice to the exploration aspect, since “learning” about Perim is probably one of the main drives to engage with this franchise.
I've clicked on the video thinking "That's a weird looking Blanka" just to learn about a card game with anime that I vaguely remember watching in a french at 3am
Nobody:
Tom the first time he changes into Maxxor: Why no zipper?!
Gotta love how despite all its flaws and its sad fate, for everyone who experienced it, this thing is still stuck in a dark corner of the mind, just waiting to be remembered.
From a non-american (alo Brasil) perspective, the show popped up at night in an obscure channel alongside Yu-Gi-Oh GX, Dinosaur King and Inazuma Eleven (one of these is not like the others), and so I had friends who were aware of it to a degree before it just fell off the map. Years later, I scroll through CZcams and find full episodes being posted and it feels like an SCP broke containment and exposed itself so it couldn't be dragged back into the box again. Truly, Chaotic will live forever.
BmF is my favorite channel in the growing genre of "Oh this person watched a lot of 2BFP during formative years"
The one memory of Chaotic I have is trying to imitate some of the moves with my siblings after twitching some of the show, and accidentally scraping my hand when I punched the ground trying to do a Rock Wave… in a gazebo.
So that’s something.
EDIT: 16:35 Yo, Project X Zone 2 footage, that’s cool to see.
A Chaotic TCG revival would face the huge problem that the TCG place is a lot more crowded than in 2007
"That's a nice argument, why don't you back it up with a source?"
That one Chaotic fan: "THE SOURCE IS THAT I MADE THE FUCK UP."
4Kids holds the weirdest spot for everyone who grew up with it. Never have I seen anything be both the childhood of so many, and at the same time being demonized as the worst thing to ever happen. Usually by the same people.
4kids censoring anime isn’t unique them. In fact, other networks and companies like Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon and Disney have also censored anime that have aired on their channels. And yet, most of the discussions and jokes about anime censorship goes towards 4Kids.
@@HVVVVVVVV This is twofold; one, they censored far bigger franchises (pokemon) and in turn there smaller franchises they censored (one piece, atleast in america) is held under more scruntiny.
Like, everyone watched pokemon. Everyone watched yugioh. There simply more known then most; ontop of the censorings being more extreme (yes, brock calling a rice ball a jelly donut is actually pretty bad, and no i won't shut up about it).
@@HVVVVVVVV Oh, ontop of what i said in my comment, cartoon networks biggest series at the time weren't censored nearly as much. The anime portion was mostly adult swim.
@@ariannadravis3934 Please let's put the jelly donut complain to rest. Not only is it not censoring, it's a change that's so non-vital that the only reason it registers at all is because it's one of the prime "4kids bad" example.
4Kids *is* bad but not because they changed a riceball to a jelly donut because they rightfully assumed most kids wouldn't notice or care.
@@MarbleVirus No, no i will not. Sorry but that is inexcusable, it is such a minor thing to change, but that's why it's so bad; why couldn't they just call it what it is? Did they think they'd lose ratings if they called it a rice ball? There was 0 reason to do that, and feels extremely icky.
One Piece makes sense, but lets not act like there just misunderstood angels who were cast down. They have there problems. Im not blaming one guy either, rather the company as a whole.
But that was also a small part of my comment as it wasn't the main issue, cuz i agree 4kids ain't all bad.
YEEEAAAAAH BAYBEE THAT'S WHAT I BEEN WAITIN FOR
Had this game as a kid, it was completely incomprehensible to 8 year old me, and incredibly nostalgic nonetheless. Thanks for the memories, Bumbles.
Owning Chaotic and not knowing how to play it *at all* is a vibe, man.
Wake up babe, new video about something I've never heard of before that I will now hyperfixate upon
I never thought that a majority of the video would be debunking on a lawsuit that was fake but that's what I expected with these types of videos
Chaotic was certainly the most overlooked of these sort of franchises, so I’m glad mcfumble is giving it the attention it deserves.
I feel some of these are weirdly nostalgic, but I feel I’ve forgotten them all.
I’ve really enjoyed your channel and have been showing these last three videos with my friends who were/still are into these series. Keep up the great work!
Bumbles uncovering and debunking internet myths is my favourite genre on this channel.
I just wanna say Bumble, thank you for doing something like this. Seriously, this is like the best birthday month-long present someone could ever receive.
Still kinda wild i was into all these franchises. If i remember correctly, i still have a few cards of Chaotic along with a Pegasus beyblade and a few Bakugan. I wonder if they're in good state and could be sold or something.
Finally, proof that Chaotic wasn't made up by Negative Legend
Chaotic was such well put together concept, with such an interesting world and cool creatures, it pains me how bad the series was murdered. If it ever does come back, i will be there to welcome it
"I don't like being the guy who defends 4Kids when they make poo poo in their diapies" - Bumbles McFumbles
Accurate
I remember liking the idea of Chaotic more than the show for some reason.
A four-way race war of extermination to find the source of all life and become the God of Racism. A war that had to be put on hold for a little while because Cthulhu and his friends also wanted to play, but they weren't playing fair. What's not to love?
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 The fact there's some hyper advanced group capable of sending kids to another dimension with said race war just to play Pokemon Go for no explained reason is a big plus.
So in summary.
Best game: Bakugan (just going off that it has just more good games than bad)
Worst game: Chaotix
Best merchandise in continuation: Beyblades (not you Hasbro get out)
Worst in continuation: Bakugan (hey Chaotix may have been dead but that's better than currently suffering an identity crisis)
Saddest fall: Chaotix (for how we know what really happened but refuse to accept it.)
Actually, Hasbro's Beyblade X release is 100% accurate to the Takara Tomy release. We're very optimistic about its future rn!
@@kood995 wow hasbro doing something good? wild
@@chidaluokoro9104 Ikr?
I really liked chaotic. It really does the whole pokemon different natue thing but better in show where the scan is affected by how the person is feeling or boosts at the time.
Wish more games had that idea to really make crafting the perfect unit more special
Pokemon, but there's only four elements, and they all hate each other.
"While the Overworlders were lead by Madcap" ~ Jack FirstName McFumbles
I didn't know this one would be a stealth TF2 video
And a wonderful Toon June to you, too, Jack! I hope next year's will be even better!
It doesn't surprise me that the death of Chaotic was a whimper. Suits can't fathom the possibility that something might be merely _okay,_ nor do they have object permanence
incredibly big fan of chaotic can still watch most of it on youtube super happy you made this, also happy you finally dove into the whole lawsuit thing when I knew for awhile it just fell off.
I loved this video on some niche product I had no idea about until now and I am PSYCHED for your Noise Update video!
You are on a roll lately with these videos! I've never heard of what a chaotic shadow warrior is until now, even though I was probably the target audience for it at the time of its release, guess the show never aired here or on the channels I watched back then. Beyblade and Bakugan however are things I was quite familiar with, though Bakugan I never got into physically since none of my friends wanted to get into it... yay... I only had the games for them.
Out of everything in this video, i did not expect to see Project X Zone 2 kiryu and majima gameplay
This is a certified Bodal moment.
A follow-up from my earlier comment; in my Overworlder creature team in my first (and last) playthrough, I used a creature named Rellim: Watermaster.
Whenever I would grind scans off of a new creature, every now and again, this cyclopean Grimace testicle would shout, _"TIME FOR SOME GRINDING~!"_ as his taunt.
... You can imagine the groan I exhaled every time this occurred. It was like this game knew what it was, and was mocking me for it. I couldn't even sub him out for anyone else, because he was actually pretty good.
*Nostalgia* Oh god... yes. Chaotic. I remember this. Good god, I'm gonna get the greatest nostalgia high I've had in a long time.
Ah nothing like a bumbles mcfumbles video before I stream for five hours! Thanks chief!
Man! way to call out the holy trinity of half remembered 200s kids nostalglia
I have such a strong fascination with this game. I owned it on the PS3, long before becoming truly obsessed with card games outside collecting, and remember always stopping sometime early on. Despite that there's a lot of fun memories with this IP I didn't even know was more than the game I onwed. Very cool.
As someone who's never heard that story, i probably would've believed that if i was a casual card goer. And has zero experience about the law
Knowing johnny young botch could've voiced a yugioh protag proves that this is the worse timeline
My family had a single Chaotic card and it confused me to no end as a very little kid.
Which one? If you can't recall a name, what color was the card? If it were a creature, what did it look like?
For the record, Magic: the Gathering Online, the older official MTG client, went live in 2002 and is still going to this day. There's a whole trading economy and market infrastructure associated with it, and it is always up to date with the newest sets (save for some supplemental products). However, the public at large has never heard of it because it looks like spreadsheet gameplay and is hard to intuit
I almost want a video on the Cabela games since they're the most wild thing to exist. Seeing a shooter treat completely normal animals like zombie hordes is an experience
Alright! I’ve been so psyched for this episode that I dug out my 10 scanner tins to look through while watching. I’d say my Mipedian and M’arrillian decks are my best ones, but my Underworld deck could still pack a punch. But regardless, I would love to see this game return to shelves eventually.
This was one of those properties that I only ever knew of purely through commercials leading to me knowing barely anything about the show or game
Finally someone who remembers Chaotic I loved that show when I was little.
I got No More Heroes on Switch yesterday, & I learned, this entire time, the old thumbnail style & the way you do transitions is from it?!?!
I love watching these videos and I have the upmost respect for the research you do for these topics. Even if I’m not originally interested in the topic I get so engrossed listening
dude drops some of the best video essays about the most random bullshit out there, and i’m so here for it
On a roll with these episodes omg
Never played nor collected the cards, but i remember loving the show. The art has not aged well (good lord it looks rougher than I remember).
I was sure that I made this show up in my memory. I’ve tried to find it several times and never could. Thank you for your service
For the 3rd time in a row, Bumbles has managed to scratch open old forgotten memories of mine. Good job!
take my comment algorithm gods, cause this man deserves VIEWS
I really wish the show would make a big comeback, it was part of my childhood.
Ya know, with these oddball games Bumbles is covering, wonder what it would look like if he did one on the non-card game Yugioh ones?
I did a watch through of this show last year just to tickle that nostalgia itch. I still love it. The art style improvement was crazy. Chaotic and Huntik were so good
Damn I remember the Chaotic show being fun. And GOOD LORD I was NOT aware of how much of a disaster it was.
at 12:59 i went “wow haha i guess you could say there was a real *turnabout* of events“ and then i got hit with the actual Turnabout Mode theme i got read like a fucking book
I was introduced to Chaotic through the show and really liked it, and while I did learn about the card game years later I never played it, nor do I remember seeing any stores stocking them. I especially didn't know so many video games existed of it. I had always wondered what happened to it and now I do. As for the lawsuit I only vaguely remembered it but it's been so long I'd pretty much forgotten about it entirely. Interesting to know it was false though. Hopefully the series can make a good comeback in the future as it's pretty unique honestly. Regardless though thanks for the video, I learned a lot.
P.S. Regarding the games scanning mechanic and how it handles monsters, believe it or not that's actually lore accurate as in the show there was an instance where Tom needed to scan Maxxor again after losing the copy he had, but when he did he got the version of him that was in an unstable and fear filled state at the time.
9:37 LOR MENTIONED !!
Which is extra funny because there is a Danian bug shaman creature in Chaotic named Lore.
The history segments are always nice because it lets me know what I’m watching a 1-hour video on.
Thank you for showing us your BBC collection Jack
I’m luving these thumbnails
A fan edited version of this game would potentially be awesome
Oh, so original Dracco Heads were basically Crazy Bones.
I remember generally enjoying the show - I wouldn't call it a favorite, but it was fun to learn about the creatures and setting. I tried the Wii game, made it less than an hour before dropping it. I played the DS game, and made it about as long.
I remember Crazy Bones, this video actually made me look it up in case I wasn't getting these two IPs mixed up.
2000s licensed kids hit Bumble is a top tier McFumbles
mad respect for using a bunch of pheonix wright related footage when discussing legal dramas lol
I was OBSESSED with Chaotic as a kid
I loved this game!
On DS
The motion controls killed it for me because it’s hard to point at the creatures with the wiimote when they keep bobbing up and down and don’t stop attacking
I really hope we get a continuation of the show someday
I grew up with Bayblade, bakugon and chaotic and I can’t believe all of them got a video that’s amazing
Fantastic work as always Jack. I specifically remember playing a DS Chaotic game to completion, but I don't remember if it was good.
Im so excited for chaotic to come back man
I miss Chaotic, im glad that Bumbles McFumbles is talking about it.
Did not expect a Chaotic video from you but
Oh yeah I'm all in.
I never knew about this lawsuit people kept propping up. As a kid I had no clue Chaotix even had a card game. I only learned that like a year after the show just stopped airing.
I never owned any cards or played the game, but seeing that Chaotic logo unlocked some sort of memory. And even though I know less than nothing about them, by golly Jack Firstname sure knows how to get you invested
I was not expecting a *Rover Dangerfield* namedrop in this video
The episode based on Radakai Conquer the Kaiju is gonna go so hard
this is such a comfortable video
I remember enjoying Chaotic.
I wish it lasted to today...
"There was Chaotic."
Ohh, *fuck no.*
I adored Dracco Heads as a kid to the point where I even owned that weird music CD, yet somehow never realized that this Chaotic thing were supposed to be their Successor.
I can certainly see why I never saw a connection, as this is a far cry from the charmingly goofy cartoon blobs of the original run.
LETS GET CHAOTIC!
Ahhh, thank you Bumbles McFumbles. You've done well. The trilogy is complete.
Go enjoy something. You deserve it.
Great vid. Long live Chaotic!
Ah yeah that one show I watched on jetix and thought “that was cool” and then disappeared (honestly I don’t remember where I watched it I just remember watching a few episodes as a kid)
Ain't that like, 60-75% of things we watched as kids? I have so many memories of shows that I'm not sure are real or just fever dreams I had as a child
@@frost7842true! I randomly got reminded about Monster Buster Club today
One day, chaotic will come back..one day
I watched this and totally forgot the name thank u mr bumbles
erm actually when they said 40 playable characters they meant all 39 monsters plus tom
This series really came and went when I grew up with 4Kids and the game you're talking about really speaks to how done dirty it was but hey glad it has a future maybe, also its very shocking to see Project X Zone be used in not only music but in actual footage as despite me actively hating on that series much like RadicalSoda does with Sonic Forces, I am glad it does keep popping up
While there hasn't been cards, I have at times found chaotic deck boxes and even card sleeves at stores. So I think we may get that revival soon.
These past few episodes have been making my age catchup to me and this ome causes a cane to manifest onto my hands.
Chaotic was my childhood
warning: there is an after credits sequence, be advised
I feel like Skylanders would be a fun video topic, this month has been about video games based on games using toys, I think a page on toys to life would be interesting
OK NOW MY CHILDHOOD IS COMPLETE