[EN] My real thought on Lucas' recent controversy. (Is is true? Forced apologize by SM? Playboy?)
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2021
- NCT Lucas Wong on hiatus after being accused of taking advantage of female fans. Here are my real thoughts about this controversy.
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因為他私聯的不是你 這句真的是赤裸的現實 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 好吧 lucas這事怎樣也好， 人設對偶像來說是基本，只是他人設徹底塌了，人們對他有多喜愛，就會有多大的恨，是背叛驅使，吳簽如是，時間管理師如是
You’re actually so rational not like other people fans or haters 👍🏼
Agree!!!!!
但凡出事的是某個女偶像，早被按在地上瘋狂摩擦了，換成男偶像...一堆粉絲瘋狂洗白，怎麼差別這麼大🙄🙄
我觉得德廷说的真的很好 但是后面的 我有些不赞同(个人看法啊) 我的看法就是 在恋爱中的人 不论男女大部分都觉得送礼物给另一半是正常的事情 而且也不知道对方劈腿 可能她们之前也是恋爱脑吧 论现在对他，我只有脱粉没有回踩 虽然脱粉好像 "yi你跟大众" 这种情况 但是对我来说这些行为不好 没有回踩也是毕竟喜欢过 毕竟应援过......害 希望队友不会被牵连就好...(虽然hendery 已经被牵连...)
Thank you for the subtitles!! I agree with you, everything you said really makes sense
I think he and SM, but mostly he needs to list out and be specific about what he may have did or didn't do. It's getting messy and if they're not gonna file for defamation... he has to put his future in his hands. Give us the checklist of WHAT IS TRUE... thats the only way to move on from this and decide what punishment or not
At this point everything is getting out of hand and SM needs to step up
Lol call me when sm actually handles their artists situations
I don't think that sm will do that because it's just a bad strategy. That's why they lumped it all together under "past actions and wrongdoings".
Who is SM supposed to file a lawsuit against in a week? Who would they be suing? These are all allegations from anonymous accounts. None of this is admissible in court.
@@CossandraCastle This is not true. So many Kpop idols have been sueing hate commenters on the internet all these years for defamation. Nobody is anonymous, police can still easily find out who they are.
这个影片太有道理了！！赞赞！！！
或许他并没有嘴队长（只是爆料者添油加醋），但终究还是很多人对他很失望。粉丝们（包括我）会因为觉得影响到队友而去骂他，但如果市长们（NCT）已经放下来了，那我们为什么也不跟着他们的步伐走呢？就像我昨天看到dream签售会的样子，哥组的ins上面和威神们毫无事情发生的样子，一样继续走自己的路，那为何我们不去看那些已经没事的人呢？
没错 事情发生都发生了 我们唯独只能前进 不可能一直困着这件事走不出去
你提出了一个很好的观点，我认为你是对的
说得好👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
黃旭熙最大的中国粉丝网站女私生粉被爱豆骂之后要对他报复关站. 出国留学读心理学为了造谣 LUCAS Allegations Tied to SASAENGS? czcams.com/video/vUTJmovd38c/video.html
我觉得derting后面讲的蛮有道理的啦（我相信如果我是粉丝一定会用这个滤镜） 不过他在经期要求那个 我真的接收不到鹅鹅鹅
其实我也支持derting的想法，私联其实没问题hahahaha 可是作为亚洲人啦 毕竟不支持hxx的大半是亚洲人，在亚洲人的想法里 同时有多段恋情确实是不对的。在我的想法里私联没问题，但是同时谈多段恋情就不对了。
@Min Lin 🐒 他還是先顧好他家人吧
讲的真好，真对，因为他私联的不是你，这句话好diao
你的三观很正， 我觉得粉丝们大多数是学生，看事情非黑即白
錯的不是私聯粉絲 錯的是同時很多人 他們買都是基於覺得是「真女友」的只有他一人 但是事實是自己不是唯一一人了！
犯錯可以原諒 但需要了解的是那個錯是否值得原諒或是當事人是否已經原諒
不是要公審或是把人直接搞黑 但是這樣的事情本身就是會帶在這個人身上一輩子 就算我們不去討論
而最後大眾決定怎麼看待這個人 粉絲決定以什麼狀態去面對這個人 都是所有人自己的事
覺得品德大於才能 覺得專注才能 任何立場的人都只是反映了自己的價值觀和成長所得 沒有誰的對錯！
他說他犯下了錯 如同上述的 那就得看看那個錯到底有多離譜再下決定
希望能夠清楚地得到官方的描述甚至直接給個警方判決都好！
了解事實對所有人都好 太多的局外人的延伸與跨大 對受害者也是另外的傷害
分析的很好也保有中立自己的看法 一直都很喜欢支持你！
路人的个人意见
他的确犯错了。每个人对每件事的看法不同，一些人能原谅一些人无法原谅，如果无法原谅就尽量不要回踩，但我也相信回踩的人之前都是对他抱着非常非常大的希望所以才会很失望。每个人做事都会有很多不一样的点评，更何况他知道他自己是公众人物的身份下犯了一个错，那他自己也要付的起这个责任。每个人都是不一样的个体，每个人都会犯错，凡事三思而后行。
我同意你的看法。在这种情况下，我将保持中立，直到我对所发生的事情有了更多的了解。
觉得你说的很对呀……我的“初恋idol”就是Lucas，到现在为止我都不知道应不应该继续相信任何立场，感觉要一下子脱粉好像也不是一件容易的事情，唉…… 但是看到这么多爆料真的觉得好失望
完全赞同你的观点！
必須說，我是他的粉絲，但我覺得你後面說的想法我認同
個人想法綜合那些假證據什麼的，感覺他做錯的是私聯粉絲，然後被對方報復
雖然還不知道其他那些事的真相
但有時候就因為是公眾人物就要被放大檢討
演藝圈有多少個是真善美，誰知道自己哪天會出道當藝人，看到很多人挖出道前照片來黑他覺得要不得
一直都很認同偶像就是偶像，不會去幻想他跟我怎麼樣發展，只是因為他能帶給我追星的快樂所以才喜歡他，就只是這樣而已
可是現在好像有個亂象，覺得偶像一定要十全十美
說實話，爆出這些事 身為粉絲一定多少有點失望也覺得害怕，不知道實際上事實真相到底是什麼
可是理性來說，偶像的私生活，粉絲管不著
偶像與粉絲之間本來就有一條界線不能跨過
當然，如果真的那些事情都是屬實，那道歉是必須的，如果他選擇的是逃避事實不面對，那我可能也無法再支持他
其實最難過的感覺是，原本讓自己快樂的人事物突然消失或是害怕不會再回來
應該粉絲要有的心態是如此
怎麼辦~我因為Lucas的事件喜歡上DerTing了😍走！吃海底撈去！(๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧
從Lucas事件的發酵到實錘，身為粉絲的DerTing還能保有邏輯思考，不回踩、不添油加醋，理性分析，真的很難能可貴！
你真的是那麼多講解Lucas事件中我最喜歡的youtuber了！
繼續加油❀.(*´▽`*)❀.
看到的證據只是一些聊天紀錄罢了。床照是他穿着黑色衣服抱着毛公仔在sofa bed睡覺那張？其他的呢？🙄
那些嫂子可能就只是花了一小時編寫一篇＂文章＂（腦袋不懂思考的人就也人云亦云的相信那篇打出來的文章就是證據）來摧毀一個16，17歲就開始出來拼搏事業的小弟弟，把他過去幾年努力建出來的事業摧毀。至於嗎？嫂子們，你們良心何在？有哪條法律說谈恋爱會保證另一半不出軌嗎？需要放上往網去公申？
至於嫂子們寫的文章（說隊友壞話，罵粉丝，要求女友買禮物等等的一切）都是片面之詞，还是心有不甘的情況下添油加醋？理智的人自己心知吧。
Lucas 就算错，也就错在男女关系处理不好。其他的都是嫂子＂写＂的。
难道要求他這時候要跳出来一句句解釋， 做power point 來說分析給大家？沉默就是最好解釋，讓心里充滿憤怒的人去洩憤。道歉信就是道歉在他處理男女關係这事而已。其它的＂惡行＂智者自己會去明辨。
若你不喜歡他，但別去中傷他，那只會顯得你有多愚蠢。
LUCAS，成長的路還遥远，一切都會好起來的。❤️
我的观点是他有没有做这一系列事情只有他自己知道，说没有失望是假的但我会持续保持中立。
想说说脱粉回踩 人们完全有这个权利，但是我现在看到有些人都已经过分回踩了 ，尤其一些还上升到了他做过的作品，说得他一文不值，之前做的一切努力都好像被否认了。个人觉得批评他要论事究事不要把作品也拉进去一起讲毕竟他也是在这份工作中完成并做出了努力，没有他你也看不到今天Wayv Nct的作品。
这次事件也让我看见了社会的残酷：只要犯下错误，之前一切的功劳都会消声灭迹并且被攻击得体无完肤
黃旭熙最近在Gucci (How We Met Campaign) 首頁出現和繼續當任Geurlain 的品牌大使（沒有終止合作），真相有待證實
來了！不想刷微博了最新消息都是聽德廷
我爱lucas的性格和舞台表现力，我依旧期待能看到他继续在舞台上发光发热。
好喜歡看你的影片！覺得講的很有道理
我觉得你很中立~ 支持
哇塞！！！！德廷說的我超贊同（全部哦
尤其是偶像私聯你就是變偶像劇嘛....
無法反駁耶
Too early no English subs Can’t wait:D
Hi dear, English subtitle is available now! Thank you 😊
关于黄旭熙Lucas事件应该查清，给出真相。道歉信只会让上大众觉得这是锤了是真的那就必须杀一做百，退出这个圈子。放任不管只会造成社会问题，大家都认为这是理所当然，把错的当对的行为，只要这不触及法律。这真的不触及法律吗？哪个不是所谓的小事一点一点累积出来的。学剧里头的名句：道歉有用的话要警察来干嘛？叫大众如何再相信SM产出的艺人。这次爆出的都是专找粉丝。这真的很有目的性的了。
这是对于粉丝甚至偶像职业的不尊重，可以被认为没有职业操守。叫大家（粉丝）以后如何”敢”喜欢偶像。私聊粉丝，睡粉丝：这是对这职业的一种侮辱。这不是仅仅私生活问题了。如果你找的对象是你生活中偶遇的普通人甚至有了亲密关系，没关系这是人正常有的生活。最多说你花心。但是粉丝？利用自己的偶像身份接触多位的还是你自己的粉丝。这不是跟职场性骚扰一样了吗？
虽然这事情说你情我愿，但为何一开始对象和接下来的对象都是粉丝，有种吃定你，多半会成的感觉。我也是某人的粉丝，都知道会去见面会，演唱会，跟机的哪个不是迷到某种程度了。这是什么变态心理吗？这个和大人拿糖诱拐孩童有什么差别？这真的很损偶像职业了大家说他年轻不会想可以给机会，那试问哪个他的粉丝可以在迷恋他的状态下又可以明智地去判断他的接触？谁给这些人逃开的机会？
劣质艺人或公众人物就必须除去，毕竟他们带来的影响并不小。这件事绝不能就此姑息。如果此事不纠正，那将会演变成现代社会病，败坏风气
有第四位嫂子了，wb 的錘不死你0828⋯
啊哈哈哈哈其实你分析的很有道理！
Thank you so much for this! As for me, I can only believe up to him having different girlfriends. I can’t seem to believe all the accusations of him talking bad about members or fans too. It seems like the person who exposed him purposedly mention KR and Burberry to make him lose resources. And the sudden mention of other idols like Chen and wyf seems like just a way of making more people outside the fandom to hate on him. Also, I agree with you about the buying stuffs issue. And I feel strange when all girls mentioned about him asking them to buy stuffs but only one girl showed the proof. And it’s only for one piece of jacket. Supposedly this one can have real evidence like online payment receipts or credit card usage since they said they bought him branded stuffs. Unless they brought them with cash, which in my opinion is very impressive because that’s a lot of cash needed to buy branded stuffs in cash haha thank you again! Sorry I keep coming to rant here ㅠㅠ
That's true as he is saying it's not a crime . He was 19 or 20 back then it's natural to have feelings for each other bcz idols are humans too right? I know having different girlfriends is bad but i feel like they ended up on good terms and now they are exaggerating the story to ruin his career specially before a comback 😶
Actually that jacket was only in sale on Europe so it's still not a valid proof
有心去傷害人的說他有多善良多好誰信，明知道自己就是在欺騙喜歡自己的人，就已經是惡質的人了。愛豆當然可以私聯粉絲，但是不能惡意欺騙傷害他人感情跟身體，這就是對人的不尊重，這是本質問題。
There are recent news coming out that Lucas is found innocent and these "Victim OPs" are not Chinese or Korean. May I know what is your take on this and how are cfans/cnetz reacting to this? Thank you always for your unbias opinion. :)
Yeah they’re Indonesia and also it’s not a girl that made this accusation but a guy acting as a girl
啊啊啊啊 你讲的真的很有道理，很有sense ！支持！！
cant wait for english subtitle
Hi dear, English subtitle is available now! Thank you 😊
Thanks for english subs homie.
谢谢你 ！ 说得很好！
很赞！我和你看法一致哦😄
我是lucas的妈粉 我是超级爱他的 也是nctzen和威珍妮 我是第二代团的kpopper 依然可能我年龄关系 看的事情也多 对 他可能也错了 回踩那些人也有点过分了 我觉得牵扯到别人的自尊已经很过分了 至于说他嘴队友 我就不信 我追了nct蛮久了 我也了解他们23个人相处的模式 那些外人 你也不懂人家友情是怎样 追星只是一种娱乐 真的别带到生活里 错了就错了 除了冷静和反省 希望别再过分毁人家的自尊和打扰他亲人的生活了 理智追星 过好自己生活 女方也有病 他对明星这样 更本别说对真实生活里的男生了 我还觉得她乱 也不能怪完对方 男女感情 你情我愿 他也没强奸你逼你不是? 以上是个人看法和观点 不喜欢可以路过
Just found the video and I have to agree with you. Yes, the girls were manipulated by him - but they also let it happen because they thought "omg I can get on with an Idol".
I also don't understand people who say he was the one with the most power in the relationship, because he is an Idol. But is it like that? Lucas could not go around and tell everyone, for example, how 'easy' the girls were. He couldn't just ruin their reputation with one post on sns. The girls on the other hand could and did. And all it takes is a few pieces of real evidence and once people believe them, they could just come up with other stuff.
Like the "He talked bad about his members" or "he said he hates Burberry and wanted me to buy him other stuff."
If you want to show the world, that this man treated you bad, okay. But there is no need to mention his relationship with his members or brands that work with him? They made it seem like their goal was to get revenge for themselves and it worked but suddenly stuff that is not relevant to their relationship came up too...and those are the points I hardly believe to be honest. Like you said, yes with all of this he showed that he isn't the person he pretends to be on camera, but if ANYBODY believes an Idol is the same person before and behind the camera must be young or so delusional. Just imagine you're standing before a camera many hours, nearly every day. You also would change and try to just show your perfect side. It's natural. Being shocked about a revelation like this is plain dumb. Sorry for my words. But come on, didn't they learn something about exactly this after Burning Sun, AOAs Jimin, Kris Wu....? All those scandals bring up over and over again that idols put on a persona to appeal to more potential fans...
Am I saying he did nothing wrong? No.
Am I saying he should be shunned like Kris Wu or Jimin or Seungri? No. He isn't a criminal. He did cause a mess and he was a shitty person, but what he did isn't related to any crimes and I believe he can truly learn from it and become a better person and I hope he does reflect and become this better version of himself - even if he leaves the entertainment business.
You raise some very interesting and rational points. Would you mind though explaining the issue surrounding Jimin? I was already aware of Seungri and The Kris case, but not sure about if you are referring to BTS’s Jimin. Thanks!
@@katherinecampbell9792 oh no I don't mean BTS Park Jimin but AOA Shin Jimin :)
If you don't know: her ex member Mina exposed her for bulling her for years so far she tried to commit the s-word mire than once.
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德廷德廷，防疫期間海底撈不能內用🤣
完全認同UP的想法👍👍👍
I fully agree. One hand cannot clap.
明星所展现出来的生活和形象可能会有假，只有舞台表现力和颜值是100%保真的。可能我追星的底层逻辑就是看作品和舞台吧，所以lucas这件事（不论真假）并不太会影响我继续支持他，如果他还有机会的话，依旧会花钱为他的舞台买单。另外我很欣赏lucas的性格，在我眼里是很珍贵的小太阳。（完全同意性格好和所谓“渣男行为”并不冲突，是可以在一个人身上共存的。）
也能理解不同立场的人对他这件事做出的不同反应，以至于让他退团甚至要求他退圈。但我觉得挺可惜的...
我对人性没有期待，我的三观也很简单，就是保持善良，不落井下石，不披着正义的外衣施暴。
I absolutely agree with you! Idol are human too, don’t forgot they are teen when they enter into entertainment world and they are also immature! With all these fans and girls around them is overwhelming! I am not saying he is right but it take two to tango! These kind of things it happen everyday in the world, if he is not an idol that will be an life experience that some people will go through in their lives!
You expressed everything that I was thinking. I feel like this whole 'scandal' surrounds Luca's personal life and that isn't my business in the first place.
And it would be best if they could discuss these on private.
@@ssekev147 nice comment 👍🏼
真实感受就是我要哭死了，这两天感觉内心空空， 还是希望LUCAS自我反省的同时继续活动， 还想看到LUCAS
I was driven by my emotions for these past few days, thank you for the enlightenment. I think we should think rationally and be more responsible for our actions. My mind is in chaos haha. If it's true that Lucas has done something it's not too late for him to change and correct those mistakes. It's just sad that wayv has been going through a lot. I hope they do well.
For my fellow fans, please be rational about this matter. I hope you also do well. You deserve enough rest to think peacefully. Focus on yourselves in the meantime. Always drink water.🤗💚
Yea most immature fans just believe anything on the internet and its just sad this shit jappened to woojin and his image will never be the same
I'm just hoping that some toxic fans would stop the appeal to remove Lucas from NCT. Things are not clear as of now. Please leave kind words to Wayv esp to Hendery and Lucas.💚
The smartest comment I've ever read in Lucas situation now, thank you for the reminder
@@imxhris6850 take of yourself🙂💚
@@yutanakainom4108 you too💚
我覺得德廷說得對，因為這真的不是什麼滔天大罪，簡單來說，就是因為lucas是idol大家才會把他的錯放大檢視，而且既然是idol本身就要付一定責任，但是其實仔細想想，我真的認為Lucas 並不是不可原諒。
所以我希望他以後可以回歸～
我觉得lucas真的是出乎我的意料，我之前也很喜欢看他的综艺，他的表演，很帅的一个可爱男孩儿，现在真的是人设崩塌。不过吧，这些爆料的人，毕竟是受害者，说的话自然会添油加醋，有真有假，我们也不是局中人，整件事情也是不清不楚，只是通过他人口中直言判断，完全是不合理的。
lucas已道歉，但没说清楚是什么事情，但我觉得身为公众人物就得要有把好的形象和行为展现在荧幕前，因为会影响到很多人，近期娱乐圈各种自己熟知的艺人明星各种爆料，但我很...不可思议吧……反正感觉lucas好可惜也很失望，但想看看之后的事情局面会如何发展...有种吃瓜状态，嗨..
希望您能看到這條留言
我覺得女方作出了一些假證據證明她有可能把事情誇大
女方2聲稱Lucas說他在團內是最好的是因為她要讓隊友對lucas反感
Lucas道歉可能是不想事情鬧大，如果沒有人相信他的話他怕下場會跟吳某人一樣
所以他想道歉來解決這件事
當然lucas肯定也犯了一些錯
你讲话真的是很也道理 爱了爱了❤
真的很可惜.... 他自毁前途.. 因为他一下子大红大紫一时无法控制自己
赞同你的观点
可以認識人。但劈腿 同時睡多個就是渣男
8:00 （狂点头）真的，如果他私底下联系的是你，身为他的粉丝，你不要跟我讲你会拒绝？如果那个人是你不喜欢的，别说叫你买衣服付钱什么的，连信息你都会懒得回吧😂我觉得derting讲的太对了👍🏻👍🏻理智一点吧，人类
好喜歡他說的👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
這個解析超讚
這三觀還真的夠理性，機乎沒有什麼偏私心，如果Lucas能重回演藝圈的話，第一件事情就是要謝你，不光沒有落井下石，還保持中立意見理性的分析細節，現實就是這樣，不論你之前做了一百件好事，只要錯一次，就能夠否決了之前努力建立的一切，錯就是錯了，沒什麼好解釋，就算有加鹽加醋也要全吞，這就是自己闖出禍根的代價，如果涉及強奸吸毒，那就會有更大的代價，目前為止還沒到那地步，只是非常不成熟處理事情，才會埋下這些禍根，但還是有一些理性的粉絲，他們可能只是喜歡在舞台上的表現丶綜藝感好笑…，只要他能真心改過，觀眾能感受到，還是會有人給機會的，Justin bieber算是一個例，所以紅的快，有時不一定是好事，或許，現在就是他人生第一個低潮，能否走出考驗，就要看他如何表現了，(很好聽背景音樂，我知道，是夢隊的)life is still going on🎼
你说的真好， 逻辑清晰
德廷，你好我剛認識你而已，但我覺得你在說明ig發文的最後這段，你在發光，請理解你自己絕對是這世上獨一無二的溫暖善良存在。
這媒體上許許多多的真假真的有許多爭議及背後目的在其中，所以我覺得不評判給與中立性的溫暖才是真理。
🙂👍🙏謝謝你是Kpop的小天使之一。
是德廷
@@evachen7035 已修正，抱歉呀德廷。
謝謝兔子。
In love there is forgive and forget..
哇我惊叹到了，你的分析真的好棒！是目前看过的视频中最有逻辑而且有说服力的❤️❤️🥳👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
谢谢你😊
This guy has a point, it needs two to clap, you can always reject if anyone ask you for something unfavourable. Lcs is not my ults by him being flirty n kinda reckless we all kinda knew that since his debut, he is not even try to fake his image to be reserved or careful type.
人都會做錯事情 他們這些愛豆只是選擇了不同的職業 生活的事情不應該被放大檢視
畢竟我們在生活中也做錯事過 沒有理由要求別人不能犯錯 只是他的錯大了一點 但是在生活中有一堆人也是渣男 你在生活中做錯事也會想取得原諒 他就不能嗎
他可以犯錯阿，只是粉絲不會為他花錢，就跟一般人不會喜歡渣男一樣，大部分粉絲也不會喜歡，愛豆就是靠粉絲養活的職業，他既然要做死，又怎能怪粉絲不再支持他呢？如果你真的很喜歡他就繼續為他花錢吧，但希望別的人原諒他就是個笑話。
你的那篇文章既真实又残忍，残忍的是说得太真实了🥺
目前是站中立 想等sm官方出來說了 再下判斷 知道lucas 一定有錯 只是錯大錯小 嚴不嚴重的問題 覺得德廷說的很有道理 謝謝德廷的分析
SM25日就已經有官方聲明囉 你可以去找
@@tiggerjojo1083 那個是威娛樂 我想等的是sm
@@tiggerjojo1083 裝睡的人叫不醒的，不用多說了
@@joanna189
SM的也有啊
「大家好，這裡是SM娛樂公司。因為所屬藝人Lucas的私生活問題讓大家擔心了，對不起。
本公司意識到本事件的嚴重性，決定中斷原定于25日下午6點發行的WayV-Lucas & HENDERY單曲《Jalapen&o》音源和MV等所有內容公開 。
Lucas深刻反省了因本人的錯誤行為而造成的巨大傷害和失望，本司也痛感在藝人管理上存在不足之處，對此負有不可推卸的責任。再次對Lucas的私生活問題，給包括粉絲們在內的很多人帶來困擾深表歉意。」
覺得德廷真的講得很好
真的是完全講出了我的心聲
他的確犯錯了這是事實
但他犯的錯主要就是渣男 跟欺騙粉絲
這兩個應該是一樣的
就是他花心粉絲才會覺得被欺騙
如果今天他是一個普通人
你會覺得他就是三觀不正
就覺得他很花心 同時跟多位女性戀愛
這樣做欺騙女生不應該
但你不會去瘋狂地罵他或是酸他
好像今天他犯了什麼滔天大罪
僅僅因為他是「藝人」他是「歌手」
所以「渣男」這兩個字
才會被大家無限的放大審視
說實在的 藝人也是人 歌手也是人
他們不是什麼聖人或是神
普通人犯錯我們會給他第二次機會
但為什麼這些藝人犯錯
我們卻完全不理會他的道歉
瘋狂的指責他 瘋狂的罵他呢
只要是人 大家都會犯錯
你會犯錯 我會犯錯 沒有一個人不犯錯
既然是這樣
我們為什麼不能給他第二次機會呢?
就因為他是藝人 他是歌手嗎
如果是這樣 那你試試看當個藝人 當個歌手
你能完全不犯錯嗎?
當了公眾人物 你就算講錯一句話 都會被無限放大
說你沒家教 說你國中沒畢業
甚至說你不適合當藝人 有必要嗎?
那些脫粉回踩的 那些黑粉 那些酸民 那些路人
你捫心自問 你是不是從沒犯過錯
你是不是從沒做錯過事或說錯話
既然人人都有做錯過
那為什麼你做錯就要有第二次機會
公眾人物做錯卻沒有呢?
只不過因為他是公眾人物 他是你偶像
粉絲總覺得偶像是...神一樣的人物
覺得偶像就是三觀很正 不會做錯事
當偶像犯錯後 你會覺得他辜負了你 他騙了你
但你有沒有想過
他是有說過他是聖人嗎?說過他不會犯錯嗎?
這只不過是人們「認為」人們「覺得」
因為覺得偶像不符合自己想像 憧憬的模樣
所以就覺得他辜負了你
不覺得這是件很可笑的事情嗎?
粉絲很多人會脫粉回踩
就像德廷講的 因為他私訊的不是你
簡單來說 你忌妒
而且你覺得被欺騙了
因為Lucas的人設太完美了
他就是憨憨 陽光 可愛的男生
很多粉絲說很失望是因為人設被毀掉了
但真正指責他是渣男的
其實主要是那些路人們
粉絲都覺得被欺騙了 被辜負了
我在聽到爆料的第一反應
就是想說不可能 這一定是假的
Lucas怎麼可能這樣
當實錘之後 還是拚命為他洗白
覺得他不是這樣的人
一邊為他洗白的同時 也是一邊在催眠自己
他不可能這樣的
但時間過得越久 看到他道歉了
公司出來說話
很多新聞 頻道都在說這件事情
心裡知道這是真的
嘴上還是不肯承認 一直說這是假的 是預謀的
現在看看 就算是預謀又怎樣
既然Lucas都承認自己有錯
就是真的有做錯事情
不過既然他也是人 不是神 不是聖人 不是完美的
那我會選擇原諒他
我會等待他反省過後回歸的那一天
到時候
我還是會像之前一樣 繼續喜歡他
@Min Lin 這件事情Lucas有錯是沒錯
但粉絲不會理智判斷這是他們的事
為什麼不能理智判斷?
即使沒有理智判斷 在發現Lucas有異樣之後
為什麼不能跟他分手?
為什麼還要照著Lucas想要的去做 去買?
你是人 你就會知道如何判斷
你擁有判斷是非對錯的權力
但這幾個粉絲
就是明知有一個大洞在前面
他就是要往下跳
你能說這是那個大洞的錯嗎?
你心甘情願地往下跳
出了事之後你又能怪誰去?
@Min Lin 笑死這是沒錯
但網友也不用說的他犯了滔天大罪吧
連讓他改過自新的機會都不給?
@Min Lin 說實在話
他會不會過自新還是兩說
不過我願意等他
我願意給他一次機會
SM應該不會讓他退團
因為他們公司藝人出事
都是先讓他暫時消失一陣子
再讓他回歸
就希望Lucas能把握住機會囉
赞同你 不管怎样他还年轻 除了不懂事 时间会证明
我是挺喜欢Lucas的，颜值高，在舞台上魅力也很大，很吸引我
经过这件事，我很赞同derting所说的话
就是可能女方也是有点恋爱脑吧，所以他要什么就卖给他
最终，我认为偶像还是距离就是美吧，一旦靠近了幻想就破碎了
偶像是拿来看的，不是拿来用的!!! :))
说句实话 至今无法理解追星族对于偶像的造神运动，包括在所谓“塌房”之后的崩溃，对他失望的心情我是能理解的，但是有评论说“他平时那么阳光那么好都是假的吗”，很明显发言者对身边人、或者说人性的认识不够深入，好与坏本身就可以在一个人身上共存，所以我从来不会绝对的崇拜谁、仰慕谁，建议所有追星的人学会就事论事、理解人的复杂性，不要太真情实感，否则伤害的还是自己
希望Lucas能好好反省 還是很享受Lucas 的舞台和綜藝感的 目前也是先站中立
最后说的那些道理太对了！！！！
I agree with you but I don’t think he should leave Nct/Wavy. Like you said, all he did was date multiple people (if it’s true). I don’t think it’s ok to do that but it’s not a big deal. If it ruined the ‘victim’s life’ it’s partially their fault for dating an idol, they should know what to expect in that situation. And plus, it is on them for being manipulated, they shouldn’t think that an idol is superior and obey them like some kind of puppet. They are their own person, they’re complaining about having to buy stuff for him but I think they forgot that they had an option to say ‘no’. Like come on, stop dating if you’re not happy with it, you don’t need to drag on the relationship.
Anyways, I’m going to ignore this case until it’s solved. I hope Lucas doesn’t get kicked out of Nct/Wavy and that all/majority of this is not true☺️💚
最後德廷說你贏你贏那裡好好笑🤣
有私人網路調查小組已經證明了所有‘前女友’指控是100%假的
有網址嗎 想看看
@@p0mel079 czcams.com/video/fj8kdmIqCT0/video.html
Agreed with everything.. I will be really sad if Lucas leave WayV/ NCT but on the other hand I think it'll be the best for his mental health too...These brainless people won't let him live in peace from now on. These accusations will resurface again whenever there is a comeback. About the accusations Imma just stay neutral and see what happens next.
完全認同！！！ 甚至前幾天還和我的朋友說過差不多的話
真的.....欠訂閱
說什麼都沒用,最重要是那麼多位嫂子，直到至今連一張合照也沒有。不要說不想偷拍，但卻又要曝光一兩張似是在宿舍的私照？這能證實了他們什麼關係？但他又道歉了,所以永遠不知道真相
OMG！同感！
很支持derting 的想法 还有后面音乐竟然是 远看是蔚蓝的春天 的歌曲
你懂你懂！哈哈哈
Omg, thank youuu. You said everything I have in mind.
First of all, I still going to support him which I didn’t mean support his wrong doing but as I thought that he deserves a chance to redeem as right now he lost so many things as his punishment already.
And I’m with you that the scandal about his relationship might be true but with exaggerated. (Especially his badmouth his teammates as it’s very hard to prove and unnecessary)
Now only thing that anger me is that’s there a lot of false accusations that took advantage of this news to make it worst and now people get out off the track of the actual story.
And thank you again for pointing out the gaslighting and consent to give. It’s help me a lot as I try to gather my thoughts.
Ps If you could, after your anger and disappointment calm. Please, be kind. As some of comments right now turn to be some kind of cyber bullying.
YESSS THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. People are being so hateful and that just led me to just forget about all the extra and just be concerned about his mental health. He can redeem hisself just like the rest of us would like to redeem ourselves if we were in his shoes. It’s so much going and this is just not it
@@madisonhaulcyy thank you for your comment. That’s what in my mind as well.
What you're saying is true..but i don't think Lucas should leave NCT cause NCT concept is not a fixed group, and having your whole career ruined for this isn't fair.. Nct have huge I fans so it should be fine, lucas can debut in a different subgroup if wayv members are not happy about this, but no one of us is perfect, lucas image was made by us, we created this image of idols in general, if fans are not perfect they should not force lucas to leave group
Nct are having more members coming, Lucas can leave
@@Boonies stop acting holier than thou...you're not
假設這件事是真的
我認為這跟吳簽一起比沒有意義。
重要的是他作為一個男團成員的「身分」能不能容許他犯這樣的錯？
當他和別人炒cp時、唱情歌時，這些「花心」、「渣男」的標籤跟著他，真的不會惹來群嘲嗎？
確實一個巴掌拍不響，但如果我是當事人之一，我願意給他一些東西是因爲「我認為且對方也承諾我是他的唯一」作為前提。
如果知道他重複在一些女生中遊走甚至發生關係，不誇張講，當事人真的能噁心到吐！更何況看一個渣過你的人在電視上繼續吸引女友粉、老婆粉會是多麼諷刺的事。
good thought... next time can make a video about how EXO chinese fans reacted when the chanyeol scandal went up?
对，一个掌声是拍不响的
已經不想再看到這個人了，我原本就對他沒興趣，現在更是厭惡。
因為他們是 公眾人物 所以很多事情會被放大檢視
世界上明明這麼多渣男 大家只會覺得 人性的問題 之類的 但是同樣的 換作是自己的偶像是渣男 大家都不能接受 因為在大眾的觀念裡 偶像必須三觀正確
嗯 他確實做錯 但是對於唱跳的水準 是不可否認的
路人粉 經過😅😅😅
完全赞同德廷的看法，人谁无错，最重要的是知错能改善莫大焉，当然也不是鼓励做渣男，只是感情的事，我们旁人的确说不了什么，另外我觉得lucas会被那么多人回踩主要原因应该是他近期太红，虽然他不像吴签那样，可是因为他的人气（包括他的年龄，前途等等）来说，是处于一种被太多人看好的处境吧，就突然曝出这些事，导致那些人比较想看他堕落那样吧🤔
只是覺得他比嫖客更糟糕。
嫖客還會給錢，渣男還會付出追女。
但這家伙比渣男更糟糕。，當女生提款機。。。
@Min Lin 很难说，粉丝的内心戏很多
@Min Lin 就例如是WayV 里面最高人气的成员，然后跟伯贤等人组成super M，加上前段时间跑男结束那一集，网上都粉lucas，可能每个人对红的看法不同，无可否认的是这段时间的确是他事业崛起的时候
@Min Lin 那当然，这点赞同
其實客觀來就還是看不過眼他的行為吧，不要一直用人誰無錯來當什麼藉口，他犯的錯足夠讓所有的粉絲離他而去，他的事業不是黑粉斷送，是他自己，劈腿這件事本來就不值得原諒，一腳踏三船還讓和粉絲進行性行為後又要對方為他「埋單」，要粉絲送禮物，說其他隊員壞話，未成年招妓，完全是毀三觀的行為，對啦，說到底就是沒有犯法所以還有人拿這一點來說他值得原諒，太扯啦吧～還不想一下為什麼那麼多人想看他墜落，就是因為人設一直和真人180度反轉，想讓更多人看清真相別老是造夢說哥哥很純情是無辜，誰知道其實很多人喜歡裝睡叫不醒的！
*PS:很多香港人知道他以前的事，不是非要落井下石要踩他拿他未出道的事來說，而是他一直也是這樣到韓國更是變本加厲，不信自己去搜一下料就知道，很多都是他還未走紅前已經有報導了，謝謝。
I wrote a really long thread about all the contraditory information and lies the i was able catch from their statements. This was all staged for sure.
1) The first one said the he gaslighter for YEARS and that in this period they break up and got back together multiple times. But at the same time she says that they FIRST star dating in July/2019 end the FIRST BREAKUP was in October/2019 and they got back together in November/2019 and had their FINAL BREAKUP in March/2020... Which means that they supposedly dated for SEVEN MONTHS and broke up ONLY TWICE.
2) The first one also says the Lucas used the excuse of not paying for things to not be caught by his manager yet she wrote the his manager KNEW he was dating and didn't stop him.
3) The second one said the after the Scketcher event in Shenyang in *December 21*, 2019 she couldnt go to the event so he went to meet her AFTER THE EVENT in the evening, but the event actually happened in December 20.
4) The third one said the Lucas pretended to be hurt to quit REAL MEN 300 when he actually was DISCHARDED by his instructors for not getting a pass in the shooting practice. And said that they talket about artists from his agency and the thought Kris Wu only played around and didnt trained hard, even through it was already 5 YEARS since Wu left SM and, obviously, Lucas didnt trained with him and only moved to Korea two years after KW left.
The fourth one didnt write much, so there was nothing to discover.
And if you simply take out the setences "he gaslight me" "he manipulated" and "he took advantage of me/fans love" you would think they were simply accusing him of cheating and badmouthing EVERYONE around him. End that would not make sense if they are accusing him of thoses things, even taking out just these sentences there should be a description of the "abuse" that would make people notice what they were talking about. They just wrongly put these terms when was convinient to their narrative.
And even if the situation they mentioned had happened there would be nothing to make a exposed about because the first one said they had a on and off relationship (sounds like a FWB situation for me), and he draw the line of only FWB with the other two, so even if he wasnt honest about going out with other people, he wouldnt had lie about not having a girlfriend and there would be no cheating to begin with...
And i think the maybe he was in fact seeing the 4th one recently and she thought he lied to her due to this whole and got upset, because she was the only one that he supposedly try to gift her and she had recent videos/photos of him and only accused him of cheating.
Or all of them simply brought their evidence from the irresponsable staff (would not be the first time a sasaeng did it).
The way people are saying so much terrible things about him, sending so much hate to him, causing so much damage for his career and WayV's to get REVENGE for fake accounts that didnt even had the capability of writing a coesive fanfic and lie well... it disturb me.
I still think that SM made him apologize because it rumor got out of control and they posted unrealeased photos and audio of him so if they simply denied the whole thing no one would believe. So holding the comeback and taking him out of the spotlight was the best move for SM until they can clear up everything.
I just hope this end asap and that he is fine. :(
Thread: twitter.com/greenheartclube/status/1435315895430262796
说得很好，人没有10全10美，但要有勇气承担自己的错误，不要合理化或走道德漏洞就好。
說真的 我沒有很在乎他的私生活什麼的 正真令我生氣不開心的是他影響到他的隊友了 別人很努力也不一定得到的機會 他相較之下比較輕鬆地拿到 卻沒有很好珍惜 這件事情應該會害本來資源已經沒有很多的wayv被封存一陣子吧 我是ten的粉絲 他真的經歷太多了 希望公司能對ten以及其他很努力的wayv nct成員們好一點(/_;)
5:23 可能是工作人员注册了一个账号，要来玩观众，然后全部团队配合好，然后再抛出团队的新歌!😇
如果只是公司不想管这些事，所以就让他直接道歉的呢！
中立👍
我覺得一個藝人做好再舞台上的表現已經做到責任了，畢竟他們也是人，他們不需要像我們交代他的私生活，他帶給大家的快樂和舞台才是重點，所謂的女友粉真的已經把自己洗腦了….真的沒有人是完美的 但是在他做好他的工作的時候，我們不需要去評論他的私生活，「他們也是人」
I like this man🥰
How is his situation in China is it better or even worse after him official apology?
Def worse. His biggest chinese fansite closed down after the 3rd girl came out (they couldn't find her pictures anywhere else). The majority of them want him out of the group.
原來有那麼多人都對愛豆包容度那麼高嗎？犯罪跟犯錯的確是完全不同級別的事，但身為愛豆劈腿多人這件事難道不嚴重嗎？別說什麼渣男一堆只是他身為愛豆被放大，他既然收穫了那麼多粉絲的喜愛跟錢，最基本的愛豆自覺也要有吧，真的能接受他劈腿那就是道德標準太低了，就是因為他這樣的行為影響了很多粉絲的道德觀才會被罵的不是嗎？為什麼有那麼多人覺得這是可以被原諒的事真的理解不能。
Idols have public relation teams that handle these situations and rather than having Lucas try and defend himself because people would probably come down on him harder, they probably decided to have him apologize for anything he did while they investigate more because it’s possible he was seeing people and the managers knew about it, but these instigators aren’t his actual exes
说实话 我蛮认同你的观点的 一个巴掌拍不响 内娱粉丝就是太夸张了 当然lucas犯下的错误是错的 但是有时候 真的是粉丝们把他想得太完美了 但是怎么可能他真的那么完美？凭什么你要他活成你要的样子？现在他不错都已经错了 再说再骂更多也已经无助于事了 倒不如让他在这段时间沉淀下来 要不要原谅他这回事随你 也不要再找回以前的事鸡蛋里挑骨头了 有时候真的在想 怎么以前你就不说他不努力了 现在有事了 塌房了 就说他跳舞没力不努力：） 愿网络世界和平点吧