BIG BATTLETECH 2024 News:
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- News from Pax Unplugged. #Battletech from #catalystgamelabs, or #CGL, has a ton of news for the coming year.
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I am Neutral to pre-painted Mechs. I usually prefer painting them myself. Furthermore, I hope it does not affect pricing too much, BT has been pretty affordable so far.
I'm betting the pre-painted mis are for newer players to replicate the scheme that is 'supposed' to be on the forcepack for its intended faction. Hopefully there will be an availability for them all unpainted since so few older players use the packs as they are apparently intended XD
If i am remembering the pax unplugged stream correctly they commented that the mechs in the pre painted packs are already for sale in other packs so players wont have to strip and re-paint them if they wanted the mechs for other forces.
@@rookiemechwarriortalking like we more experienced hobbyists won't strip and repaint them anyway. 😂
Genuine question, what is the best way to strip paint from minis?
@@AlexDenton0451 I've had good luck using simple green to strip warhammer minis without melting them
@@AlexDenton0451 depends on the paint, I usually use isopropyl alcohol but the pre-paint minis will probably use stronger stuff.
Atlas II hype!
Been waiting for a chance to paint the First ilKhan's mech of choice. This is outstanding news and I am very hyped.
I'm cautiously optimistic on the Source books and the Mechcommander's Handbook. It sounds disturbingly like they're looking at Warhammer for ideas (yearly releases of the General's Handbook) I have been amazed by Catalyst providing free PDF updates though, so hopefully they continue to be player friendly and quarterly updates doesn't start to lean toward constant re-balancing of the game to move product.
the game has never had a 'balancing' rules/points adjustment. I don't see CGL making any changes to either the rules or points mechanics.
@@bruced648Yup - that's one of the best things about BattleTech - Tech Readouts from the 80's and 90's are still valid in the 2020's
@@bruced648 What about moving from BV1 to BV2?
@kryptonianguest1903 brief history;
Combat Value or CV was introduced in 1994, 10 years into the games existence. this was an attempt to satisfy a small number of players that wanted a "points buy system" for tournament play. (tactical handbook)
Battle Value or BV was introduced in 1997. this 'fixed' many of the issues that CV system had. even though it cleaned up the points system, very few players were using it.
the Wizkids clicks system took over for a couple of years in the early 2000s, but the majority of players weren't interested in this version of the game.
when TOPPS (CGL) took over the game, they made some corrections to the Battle Value system, thus BV2. it's a combination of the 'master unit list' project and the efforts of CGL that the BV2 system become a 'balancing' method.
what they don't tell you is that the points system is only good for small units. the Lance or star, basically, less than 6 or 7 units per side. once you get to company size and larger, especially with combined arms, artillery and Aerospace units, the BV2 system falls apart.
most new players come from other games that are built around a points buy mechanism. battletech was developed on the principles of military theory. thus, unit design was never intended to be balanced. most original players were playing campaign style. while tournaments did take place, they weren't the focus, the story was and still is.
from my 40 years of playing, I've never used any of the points buy systems and I don't think I ever will. it's not necessary.
@@kryptonianguest1903 A grand total of three points cost adjustments in 40 years is a far cry from from the 9+ major adjustments done by GW. Basically, CV was established, because with the introduction of the Clans some sort of points balancing system was deemed necessary, and BV1 and BV2 were established, because of issues found with the preceding system's balancing and due to major revisions in the rules that affected points costs. Also, the Battletech adjustments are done to ensure better balancing, and not to enforce a new meta or force players to buy totally different army compositions. Also, all Battle Values are available for free on the MUL. Catalyst doesn't paywall such things like GW tends to do.
Great news update, overall. Catalyst has made some good decisions about supporting the game. Now that that BTAGOAC has an established player base, give them the tools to turn matches and skirmishes into battles, and battles into campaigns! The force books are much needed since all factions need an update for Dark Age and IlClan eras concerning force composition. I was amused to note the composition of the first new force pack, since on chat just two nights ago we had agreed that the newer era 'mechs should be represented more. I am excited for a Phoenix Hawk that I don't have yet, but an Atlas II and a Thunder Hawk will make it feel more 3067. It looks like 2024 will be another good year for the game.
The last time there were pre-painted minis from any BT source (as far as I can remember), it was MWDA. I don’t want that. I don’t think the fan base wants that either. I think the only two mechs I would want from the SL pack are the T-Hawk and P-Hawk Special. I can see why folks are happy over the Atlas II being plastic. I had to assemble one for a commission, and it is heavy! Lots of parts too. - - - Thanks for the update Red!
I can see the pros of the prepainted ’Mech, for new players or inexperienced painters it gives them direction.
For the rest of us it gives a chance to make sure our paint stripping skills are up to date.
With luck we will see the ‘Mechs unpainted before long.
Pre-painted in Dark Age clix didn’t bother me but one per force box seems like a really odd choice for starting now. What do I know?
@@jeffreywilliams8018 My thought was that it was a misplaced attempt to give examples of the different Star League eras paint schemes while giving new people something they could use without being good at painting and not feel silly.
Now that we know that the painted 'Mechs are supposed to be Heros of the different eras (Kerensky, Alaric, etc) it casts them in a different light, for better or worse.
The Force Manuals and Mechcommander book are both exciting. I am surprised that they're doing painted models in such a janky way. Hopefully the remaining 3 boxes will be matched to the Force Manuals. The SLDF box is a little less interesting to me considering the obscurity of the designs, but it is also true that you can justify pretty much any 'mech in pretty much any force if you try.
Phonix hawk special looks nice. It will end in Level II or Command Level. And as long as paints will be acrylic they can be pre-painted ones. Who knows maybe I will even like one.
Man im hyped for the Atlas II. now i can have a lance of Atlas's thqt are all different poses! And by me, i mean my dad.
Yeah I'm not sold on the pre-painted minis, especially with it being just one mech out of the four. It's not a selling point and if I want to paint that model it's just more steps involved to strip, prime etc. I don't know, but I'll wait and see I guess. The other negative is the quality of the painting can be quite different.
I have been liking these news updates. Keep up the good work.
I am not happy about pre-painted much either, but I have no problem painting over them. But the books sound awesome.
I'm very picky about painting my miniatures. I didn't pay full price to paint over a used mech :P
Sarna is saying that the prepaint is Alexander Kerensky's Orion. THAT is a prepaint I'd want.
Eren must keep going forward until all of the mechs are recognized.
If I see an Atlas II prepainted as Devlin Stone's, I'm gonna cry
Phoenix Hawk special…for a moment I thought that meant LAM, but then I realized no. 😢
I hope we do not see a price increase because of the pre-painted mechs. Other than that, I hope we will be able to strip the paint easily. What I would have done is sell a few of the pre-painted Mechs as individuals, like premium mechs.
It's just one of those things that if I'm buying these mechs, its likely not going to be for the units in question. :|
Also, an easy way, but time consuming, to remove paints from ABS without damaging the plastic, is to use simple green cleanser and soak them for a week.
or 91% isopropyl for about half an hour.
Sonic cleaners are relatively cheap and can speed up the removal.
@@ArcLight3712 absolutely! A few cycles in a bath of 91% iso in an ultrasonic cleaner and a toothbrush, and most minis look good as new!
Congrats to frog on his 10k subs.
1000%!
No faction themed packs tied to the manuals is goofy choice to not maximize sales. No news on Ace's sadly yet. The SLDF boxes are cool but it could have waited for those over faction packs. CGL talk about the faction packs 6 months ago had me hyped but these are cool just not stocked over them. Quarterly releases are good but they need to be active on the blog as it feels dead now.
We'll hear more on Ace's later this year. They can't say everything. But I do think the lack of faction packs was an issue imo.
Great move by CGL to get everyone up to date to the most recent era with the PDFs. The Raven alliance is always happy to reach new customers.Thanks for the alert.
Definitely mixed feelings on the pre-painted mechs. The example looked far better than I would have predicted, but it is contrary to normal customization. I don’t believe they mentioned if have the one painted mech would change cost of the pack?
I wonder if, instead of one painted mech per pack, they could have released painted and raw versions of the same lance to gauge actual sales interest.
I think they kind of skirted the question by saying there's no MSRP yet, but that they're trying to not have it be more expensive. So its still up in the air as far as pricing relative to other force packs I think.
The painted mini they showed was not an example of what prepainted minis will look like. The painter of that model clarified this later on FB.
@@Tyrannosaurus_Mechs Well, that's a shame. Pushes me back into the more skeptical than not camp. I want it to be good, but suppose we'll see next year.
Please continue these updates for those of us who have a hard time locating the information
If there is something big happening, I try to keep it covered.
Mostly overall good news thanks for the update Red!
Hopefully it will be easy enough to paint strip the pre painted models
Very excited for those Combat manuals, but man does the SL stuff really put me off, i hope the Civil war box is a bit better than the rest.
A lot of good stuff coming next year. Fitting for the 40th anniversary.
I love to paint my minis so would rather they didn’t prepaint mini, to be honest. If it’s a faction I’m not interested in then I’ll have to repaint it. If it’s a faction I do collect that’s nice but will the colours and style match? Doubtful. And if it’s a faction I wasn’t interested in but I like the prepainted one…are they going to give a painting guide so we can do the rest of the lance in the same colours?🤔
I’ll just strip and repaint.👍
Still, very excited about 2024 and new force packs😄👍
I've been getting good at cleaning my first draft paint off of my minis hopefully the paint comes off equally easy on these prepainted models.
For a lot of folks this'll be fine. For me? I bought it new. I didn't buy it to clean it like it was a used miniature. XD
Pre-painted minis being *available* isn't a terrible idea. One prepainted mini per box of 4 is...very odd.
And since they are ABS minis the best way of removing acrylic model paint I know of, high proof alcohol, might not be a good idea.
I'm messing up and washing models often. Don't worry IPX works as good as always and plastic is ok after this.
91% isopropyl does no damage whatsoever to these miniatures - I use it any time I need to strip one. I've left them sitting in the jar for days with no ill effect. I'm not even sure why people think alcohol would affect any kind of injection-molded plastic. This isn't resin we're talking about.
@@HeadHunterSix Interesting. I've read that they are ABS miniatures and every source I've ever seen says that's damaged by alcohol. Conversely I'm not sure why you would think it would damage cured resin, since that's literally what's used to clean resin 3d prints.
@@cargo_vroom9729 There's a difference between 3D printing resin and cast resin - and believe me, alcohol will dissolve the latter.
I'm not sure what you mean by "every source I've ever seen" unless you mean anecdotal claims from people who heard it from someone else... because the first hit I get when checking "is ABS damaged by alcohol?" tells me "ABS is an alloy with butyl molecules in its chain and for this reason it has resistance to alcohol". You may be thinking of acetone.
Thanks for the PAX summary! I will hold on my judgement of pre-painted mini's until I see the product...but I understand the apprehension.
It's not just that. Why would I want mechs painted for units or characters that I'm not painting? What value does that bring to me? If I want mechs, it's to put them in my units. :|
I'll agree repainted is a detractor
Has there been a Steiner or Capellan Sourcebook yet published by Catalyst? These are going to be the first Sourcebooks for the 5 great houses right?
Not yet, I'd expect that in 2025. :)
So the Davion and Kurita sourcebooks will be the very first books?@@BigRed40TECH
Davion, Kurita, and Mercenaries. Looks like Davion is the first of all of them though. @@doriansebastian8065
Great news! Looking forward to getting the Thunderhawk. Thanks for the update, Big Red.
You know what else Scroggins has on his Patreon? Aerospace fighters. Samurai and Seydlitz so far. Maybe its for the sake of art. Or maybe ... Maybe ... Something else. I get that Battletech is for Mechs, but there is space for the other stuff and the lore is rich with it too.
If you read what's said about the Aerospace fighters, it's about just making assets for art, not necessarily for in-tabletop form.
Awww. Welp, art is still worthy.
about time we hear something!
Thanks for the update can't wait for the stuff coming next year for Battletech.
I'm excited for a lot of it, but the pre-painted miniatures is a big downer for me.
Looking forward to the Mercenary source book but more eager for my Kickstarter stuff 😊
Yeah, I am apprehensive of painted minis as experiences with them have never been great after the initial runs. Or in the case of Minis for D&D never are good. If you get them get them early. Quality tends to drop off. (Non custom painting excluded).
It's not even about the quality of the paintjob. I just don't want mechs painted how I wouldn't paint them.
I hate painting, so I'd be interested in buying whole boxes of pre-painted minis. I can't imagine who wants a box with just one pre-painted mini.
Exactly.
3:00 - Wish they'd calm down on cramming so many Assaults and Heavies in the packs as compared to Mediums and Lights. At this point over 50% of the miniatures I own are Assaults and Heavies, and that's with me at times buying singles of Mediums and Lights. I struggle to find enough Mediums and Lights to fill out the different units I paint while they're overflowing with Assaults.
I don't disagree, I just think assaults-and-heavies likely sell more. I am a medium mech commander mostly myself, so I agree.
I’ve screwed up enough on miniatures to know how to strip the paint nbd
Sure, most of us know how to do it - but we shouldn't have to strip a new product.
Great things to look forward too. Tyvm for the update.
I woke up super early to get this info for everyone lol
Hot Spots: Hinterlands and the Mech Commander's Handbook sound like they're going to be awesome together, really looking forward to them more than anything else! Not so thrilled about Star League themed force packs though, was looking forward more to faction-specific packs (such as a Davion and Kurita one to match the force manuals), that feels like it would make more sense... but if we get some more retconned Star League mechs (Maelstrom, etc.) and missing 2750s (Kintaro, etc.) then that's cool, I guess. Waiting for the 3rd Star League pack with Alaric in his Savage Wolf though, that one could be a banger.
From what I can see, I don't think the Kintaro is coming in these 4 packs :(
@@BigRed40TECH Kintaro confirmed 3rd pack, Alaric's Savage Wolf confirmed 4th pack. Guess I need to head to Vegas!
@@Deusorum I never doubted the Savage Wolf. I assumed it even. lol
I hope the prepainted miniatures are easy to strip. Still really excited for this. Do you thing the new Jinggau (from Scroggings Patreon) is a sign of it being in the second SLDF Faction Pack instead of the Capellan Force Pack?
It's hard to know. Remember, every Ilclan mech exists as a 3D sculpt too, it doesn't mean it'll show-up in a plastic pack soon, however.
Prepaints: Depends on the quality of those.
If they are good looking I wouldn't mind keeping them as is and maybe even paint the rest of the box accordingly.
1 prepainted mech per box. All prepainted mechs will be painted as their own thing.
First box will have a prepainted Alexander Kerensky Orion. Seems fine, until you try to match that paint with one you buy off the shelf. Best of luck.
A single-painted miniature seems goofy. Why not make a couple fully painted lance boxes with a QR code to the quick start rules? Also, have the same boxes in a non-painted option. oh well.
Yea, if they're all going to have 1 painted miniature, I'm just not gonna buy any of them.
I'm most looking forward to the mech commander's handbook
I would like to get the House Davion SourceBook
That's a big no on prepainted models from me. That's a waste of my time and money to strip them, unless I just prime right over them. Depends on how thick they lay on the factory paint.
We'll see.
Atlas II! Let’s Fucking Go!
I still need my Grey Death force pack. Stupid California stocking issues ...
It’s stomping time
Civil War Era forcepack?
Here's hoping they don't fuck em up
Star League cover art but and boxes but...but...
I actually like that new box a lot. I hope they go away from pre-painted stuff though.
So the count down has begun…
Not a fan of this pre-painted idea. Why not just offer a pack with ALL pre-painted minis for the people who actually want that?
pheonix hawk special?!?! sign me up!!!! but ill be honest a lil disappointed that theyre pre painting 1 of the mechs
I can't wait for the Star League packs. There are a ton of great mechs from the Era that are cursed with early metal sculpts that aren't the greatest.
Civil War is one of my favorite eras of mechs, but Iron Wind Metals' sculpts for the Era are some of my favorites.
We will have to see where they go with all this. While painting minis is part of the hobby, players already have all the tools available to paint, even a paint kit specifically for BT. Adding in a painted mini, for a major portion of the fanbase, is going to result in reduced sales over time. The quality is very unlikely to look like that picture unless a machine is doing the painting, although it would be hilarious to see clickytech quality painting. The storyline itself seems to have become stale, there's a number of us that are building new storylines at this point such as Resurgence that I am creating. We will have to see what CGL does with their storyline given their various creative decisions in the recent years.
There is a fiction update in my news video from the day afterwards. Michael Ciravalla is writing the follow-up to HOTW and Ilclan, basically. He's my favourite Battletech author so I'll be willing to give it a chance.
@@BigRed40TECH Likewise, at this point Michael is my favorite current BT author. Currently responding to your next video on this topic haha!
alaric gets ilkhans eye's only and then probably doesn't even bother to read it.
Great recap! Share your opinions on the pre painted mechs. Looking forward to getting my hands on my mechs regardless though haha 😂.
I don't lol
Repainted miniatures in a box really don't appeal to me, would rather do my own paint schemes granted though its not a bad box set. As for the civil war stuff well wouldn't mind a plastic Thanatos and Uziel and connecting to your vid really want a plastic Salamander. Quarterly releases are a very good idea rather than just all at once. Makes things boom bust for their sales.
i want that atlas 2
While not a big fan of pre-painted either. At least the first box will have (and this is my guess) it in olive drab and id guess it will be the Orion as it would work as Kerenskys Orion right out of the box. It is a mech people have, and it is a non exclusive design.
It's also a mech that I'm not going to pay for in that box. But that's just me.
SEYLA!!! HAIL JADE FALCON!!!!
I've seldom been impressed by pre-painted miniatures of any kind - I'm not an amazing painter but I can do better than the mass-produced crap. But if they're going to do pre-painted, it's an all-or-nothing consideration to me. It's an unnecessary inconvenience to strip or paint over something, and it's quite unlikely they'll offer a scheme I want to follow or duplicate.
I seriously hope they reconsider this idea.
They should just sell prepainted starter sets instead of doing that.
I feel like pre-painted miniatures should be for house army packs since that it does make sense to have prepainted with any modifications for the type who want that to just touch them up or play them as is. We saw with FFG's dominance in the market before covid when they surpassed GW that the market for prepainted miniatures is there, though how much of that is due to most of their games using prepainted ones and how much of that was due to their main lines being Star Wars when that IP was merely in decline rather then full collapse is debatable.
The point is I can only see that as a good thing, though having a complete separation between the painted and unpainted would be more ideal.
The Star Wars IP decline is definitely showing in terms of Asmodee / FFG. XD
@@BigRed40TECH Yes but that's not FFG's fault, I just wish support for Armada had lasted just one more wave because all we where missing was the Lukkerhulks.
The thing is, there are so many official House schemes that it's not like "all Davion House units have this color scheme" or whatever. Have you ever seen the Unit Color Compendium? So, no, it makes no sense at all.
I think I’m most excited for that Atlas 2 mini. Also the tanks I can’t wait to get some of those and helicopters. Also anybody know if they are gonna do minis of the Rommel and Patton? Also in the beginning of the catalyst video they had a box with a 4 legged mech on it. Anybody know what that was?
The Patton was in the Kickstarter.
Pre-painted? Boo. Boo that. *Remembers the quality of the Clicktech paint jobs* shivers
God, I hope it's not the thunder hawk that is pre-painted
@@74GrimlinThey clarified the pre-painted mechs are going to be ones that already have sculpts, so it should be the Orion that comes pre-painted
I’m not averse to pre-painted minis having been pleased with those they had/have for Wings of War. You REALLY don’t want to have to paint German hex camo yourself!
I play historics and use an airbrush. It ain't so bad.
But Wings of War, the entire game is prepainted. These box sets have a single prepainted miniature.
And Battletech is more "Your dudes" than historics are.
No interest in pre painted minis. Definitely want that Atlas II!!
Then your getting a prepainted Orion. lol
If you can't wait Iron Wind Metals has had it on sale, just not in plastic.
More concerned about my Kickstarter
If you've been following its development, things are progressing well.
Finally a plastic Atlas II.
I wonder if that'll end up being the prepainted miniature :P
Prepainted it's what primer was made for
Loses detail. I'm not a big fan of it.
Where is the hinterland?
Just past yonderland
Former Falcon occupation zone.
It was a huge let down because it had nothing to do with the Word of Blake....
I mena. I don't know what to tell you on that front :(
@BigRed40TECH lol it's all good, I'm totally stoked that BT is growing like it is. Anyway, do you have time to talk about our lord and savior, St Jerome Blake???
@@truckingjoe7715 Praise Blake.
@@BigRed40TECH Praise Blake.
My birthday is soon hint hint
Pre painted.... ugh gack... fire up the paint stripper
No WoB. Not much interest....