An amazing conversation. As an Indian muslim in the US I do interact with a lot of Pakistani’s. I used to think what was the view of Maulana Azad in terms of the financial aspect of creation of Pakistan, and I recently read about this in his book where in an interview he says and I quote “The elite business class muslims of the undivided India fear competition from the Gujarati’s Jains and Parsi communities that they are hiding behind the postulation’s of an Islamic governed state and muslims. After the creation of Pakistan, over the years these elites will imbibe the booze of the wealth of Pakistan and let it die at the hands of its enemies”. I hope that some leader may be Imran Khan can break the shackles of slavery for himself and his country 😅Pun intended sry. But amazing content bro.
Thank God, Sardar Patel did away with the princely States after partition and land reforms. undertaken in India. Unfortunately we are stuck with "reservations" in education and government jobs.
Man I had the privilege of meeting her at a wedding and the best time dancing away! She was quite awesome, fun and chilling. I remember she was researching this book and her PhD thesis at that time.
I can comment firsthand on how 1% of Pakistanis live, so we had many students from Pak in the USA at my university; they are the cream of Pakistan; they buy cars, live lavishly, and hardly do any part-time job, while Indians mostly from middle class live a ordinary student life
This was a genuinely insighful glimpse at social, political and economic forces that determine the lives of about 220 million people. I feel this sphere has been in shadows for too long, espcially for people like me that arent a part of this exclusive bubble. I think the most intresting dicsussion in all of the podcast was the fact that almost everyone Dr Rosita talked to didnt consider themselves to be contributing to the machine that is causing a lot of problems or suffering. And their respsones were simple whataboutsim when Rosita confronted them about the reality. This a weird circle jerk where everyone thinks other people are the problem, to try to shift the blame and distance themselves from the 'bad' things. I feel like this is not just sort of way to 'keep apperances' , it geneuinly feels like a lot of these people have started to belive in the BS they themselves make up. A sort of human response to justify their position and to justify their exploitation, however small or large it may be.
Exactly, they could always choose a country where honest work is rewarded since they have all the means to leave, but they are too comfortable enjoying the undue perks.
marriage is a sort of thing where you can blend the wealth of one family with the status of the other.. wow, amazed (read: surprised) at how these power dynamics work.
Can't thank you enough for making this channel sir. I am addicted to the informative videos on it. You are doing a great service for people to better understand the socioeconomic dimensions of our country. Thanks a ton!
Very interesting talk.General public even the students in universities, the so called literate ones, are not aware of elite capture in Pakistan. This book is on my reading list now. Thanks Uzair for bringing the research of amazing people to Pakistanis .
30:50, uzair sounded very similiar to Rancho from 3 idiots when he taunted on his professor for spending millions on pen that could write in space, and that he could’ve used a pencil instead. I’m a fan of these on-spot puns.💯
Poor people can't read this book. I am unable to purchase this book😭. I wish if I could afford to purchase it and read out it. How much would have broaden my horizons
Don’t worry I’ll definitely try my best to buy the book and make a pdf copy available for everyone because it’s absolutely necessary for every pakistani to read this book and broaden their exposure and perspective on how the elites operate and how they exploit the people of Pakistan, if this is unethical on her opinion then I wouldn’t do so however I’ll try my best to make this book available for everyone.
Very insightful. But One point that are misleading is that all migrants settled in Karachi. Only Urdu speaking migrants, Bengalis, Gujaratis etc or some others (mainly from UP) settled in Karachi. The rest settled around Punjab. More than 50% migrants settled in Punjab. I belong from a migrant family and almost all of our village came from Indian Haryana and Delhi region. But our second third generation assimilated locally and we identify ourself with the local identity of Punjab, whereas Migrants and Sindhis essentially divided into distinct ethnicites in Sindh and were not able to assimilate with each other to this day. Moreover General Zia Ul Haq's family was also a Muhajir and his family settled in Punjab. They came after 1948 in Pakistan. I don't know that why many miss this point.
I subscribed just so I could understand the culture given the situation in Afghan and Pakistan. I am a self proclaimed Islamist living in America from a privileged background but not too bright nor too pretentious. But I do have delusions of grandeur imagining that I might do some good for “my people” and bring the khilafah back even though it was destroyed within 30 years of our dear prophets demise.
Aah, the nostalgia and make believe of the Grand Ol' Aristocracy. Ridiculous. Though Punjabis on both sides of the border are good at Hospitality but also at Showing Off.
The system itself is a major obstacle to progress and even if one throws money at PK in the form of aid it will not filter down to where it is needed. It appears there is no concept of a wider society among the elite outside of their own circle. This is equivalent to the medieval societies in Europe.
After listening long podcast, easy to deduce that Mr Uzair younus is also elite 😅 Having too much knowledge about elite evolution and their mode of survival.Several clues and questions by Uzair are itself hidden answers and Dr.Rosita's heavy laugh after listening question is glaring proof.😂😂😂
So his podcast isn’t from Pakistan! What a bummer. I thought I might actually get to talk to some kala Sahab pseudo intellectuals in the time they find in between parties and clear headed fleeting moments between the bottles of JW. Oh well.
An amazing conversation. As an Indian muslim in the US I do interact with a lot of Pakistani’s. I used to think what was the view of Maulana Azad in terms of the financial aspect of creation of Pakistan, and I recently read about this in his book where in an interview he says and I quote “The elite business class muslims of the undivided India fear competition from the Gujarati’s Jains and Parsi communities that they are hiding behind the postulation’s of an Islamic governed state and muslims. After the creation of Pakistan, over the years these elites will imbibe the booze of the wealth of Pakistan and let it die at the hands of its enemies”.
I hope that some leader may be Imran Khan can break the shackles of slavery for himself and his country 😅Pun intended sry.
But amazing content bro.
interesting take, so many angles to partition. amazing.
wow, never knew of this aspect of history. thanks for sharing.
@@shrirajagashe5928 This is the only angle. Pakistan was created to serve the elite and feudal Muslim class
Amazing
Hmm an interesting angle
Thank God, Sardar Patel did away with the princely States after partition and land reforms. undertaken in India. Unfortunately we are stuck with "reservations" in education and government jobs.
Man I had the privilege of meeting her at a wedding and the best time dancing away! She was quite awesome, fun and chilling. I remember she was researching this book and her PhD thesis at that time.
So are you a part of this elite culture as-well? Have you manipulated and exploited the system to your own benefit or not?
10/10 podcast once again. Definitely going to pick up her books! Thank you for introducing so many wonderful authors, Uzair Bhai!
I can comment firsthand on how 1% of Pakistanis live, so we had many students from Pak in the USA at my university; they are the cream of Pakistan; they buy cars, live lavishly, and hardly do any part-time job, while Indians mostly from middle class live a ordinary student life
This was a genuinely insighful glimpse at social, political and economic forces that determine the lives of about 220 million people. I feel this sphere has been in shadows for too long, espcially for people like me that arent a part of this exclusive bubble. I think the most intresting dicsussion in all of the podcast was the fact that almost everyone Dr Rosita talked to didnt consider themselves to be contributing to the machine that is causing a lot of problems or suffering. And their respsones were simple whataboutsim when Rosita confronted them about the reality. This a weird circle jerk where everyone thinks other people are the problem, to try to shift the blame and distance themselves from the 'bad' things. I feel like this is not just sort of way to 'keep apperances' , it geneuinly feels like a lot of these people have started to belive in the BS they themselves make up. A sort of human response to justify their position and to justify their exploitation, however small or large it may be.
Exactly, they could always choose a country where honest work is rewarded since they have all the means to leave, but they are too comfortable enjoying the undue perks.
Elites be like "Zoor Zoor sy bol ke sabko scheme bta dy"
marriage is a sort of thing where you can blend the wealth of one family with the status of the other..
wow, amazed (read: surprised) at how these power dynamics work.
Can't thank you enough for making this channel sir. I am addicted to the informative videos on it. You are doing a great service for people to better understand the socioeconomic dimensions of our country.
Thanks a ton!
Thank you for the kind feedback
Very interesting talk.General public even the students in universities, the so called literate ones, are not aware of elite capture in Pakistan. This book is on my reading list now. Thanks Uzair for bringing the research of amazing people to Pakistanis .
Please make this book available on audible. Very informative discussion. Really appreciate your initiative Uzair!
i dont want this podcast to get lost among the sialkot incident discourse going on today in the country.
I always wait for new episode..thanks uzair for bringing wonderful people in your podcasts.
Wow. Gotta go buy her kindle version!! Interesting insights.
What an amazing podcast hats off to both of the speakers! Also such an underrated video this is. Wish to cross paths with both of you guys soon.
30:50, uzair sounded very similiar to Rancho from 3 idiots when he taunted on his professor for spending millions on pen that could write in space, and that he could’ve used a pencil instead.
I’m a fan of these on-spot puns.💯
my first Pakistonomy podcast, and already in love.
How do you define an elite vs middle class in Pakistan?
This is such a good episode. It should be translated in Urdu so that masses will be able to listen to it.
most valuable podcast. least explored topic.
You forgot to put a link to Dr Rosita Armytage's book in the description.
Poor people can't read this book. I am unable to purchase this book😭. I wish if I could afford to purchase it and read out it. How much would have broaden my horizons
Don’t worry I’ll definitely try my best to buy the book and make a pdf copy available for everyone because it’s absolutely necessary for every pakistani to read this book and broaden their exposure and perspective on how the elites operate and how they exploit the people of Pakistan, if this is unethical on her opinion then I wouldn’t do so however I’ll try my best to make this book available for everyone.
Very interesting interview!
Good analysis. Correct insights
Excellent podcast. Thank you.
Thank you
Very intrigued to read her book after this.
Amazing Podcast. Great job Uzair!
It seems that the book is a must read. But Uzair Younas sb Jinnah sb had no vision and never described it if he had one!
Very insightful. Great stuff
Loved it!
Very insightful. But One point that are misleading is that all migrants settled in Karachi. Only Urdu speaking migrants, Bengalis, Gujaratis etc or some others (mainly from UP) settled in Karachi. The rest settled around Punjab. More than 50% migrants settled in Punjab. I belong from a migrant family and almost all of our village came from Indian Haryana and Delhi region. But our second third generation assimilated locally and we identify ourself with the local identity of Punjab, whereas Migrants and Sindhis essentially divided into distinct ethnicites in Sindh and were not able to assimilate with each other to this day.
Moreover General Zia Ul Haq's family was also a Muhajir and his family settled in Punjab. They came after 1948 in Pakistan. I don't know that why many miss this point.
Agree! And this important nuance is addressed in the book. I hope you can read it.
@@rosita4354 Will definitely read your book in the future. Thanks for your reply.
Areas around Delhi and current haryana were part of Punjab. So the migration took place within itself.
keep it up Uzair !!
Wish I could get my hands on this great effort by the guest. Someone can any one teel me how to get it in Pakistan, karachi?
excellent guest and great podcast.
Really informative video
I wish you can do subtitles in Urdu and make it viral for those who dont understand English but they must know what is elite doing in Pakistan
30:18 killed it.
great podcast. 👍
Greetings from New Delhi....Uzair, I love your channel. Keep it up....
I subscribed just so I could understand the culture given the situation in Afghan and Pakistan. I am a self proclaimed Islamist living in America from a privileged background but not too bright nor too pretentious. But I do have delusions of grandeur imagining that I might do some good for “my people” and bring the khilafah back even though it was destroyed within 30 years of our dear prophets demise.
Aah, the nostalgia and make believe of the Grand Ol' Aristocracy.
Ridiculous.
Though Punjabis on both sides of the border are good at Hospitality but also at Showing Off.
nice...
Uzair Younus if you could summarize this book with key points in a video, it'll be more convenient for people like me having weak English.
Excellent podcast,
Can Rosita do some research on Azad Kashmir
"Lesser breeds of the lawless lands" may give Kipling, if alive, a new a new perspective since this new breed talks of culture.
Uzair plz bhae Spotify pa be upload kro apna podcast, cz it is easy to follow while driving...
It is on Spotify sir. Link below:
open.spotify.com/show/1O2CMwWzcngyM66FTRJd1B?si=nuBmomNbQni-OVEYAVUnfw
The system itself is a major obstacle to progress and even if one throws money at PK in the form of aid it will not filter down to where it is needed. It appears there is no concept of a wider society among the elite outside of their own circle. This is equivalent to the medieval societies in Europe.
Pls fix your mic pls. Excellent work though. Supreme
You are doing great
10/10
Wowww
No subtitles 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Uzair ♥️
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
After listening long podcast, easy to deduce that Mr Uzair younus is also elite 😅 Having too much knowledge about elite evolution and their mode of survival.Several clues and questions by Uzair are itself hidden answers and Dr.Rosita's heavy laugh after listening question is glaring proof.😂😂😂
FBR Open Up 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If i ever visit newyork, i'd wanna meet uzair first, then AOC.
AOC? DUDE REALLY!!
But I’m not in NYC
Im a Phd in Pushto from Landhi University. Meray ko bhi interview mein bulao....(i said meray ko !!)
poor pakistanis should take a leaf out of sri 🇱🇰
Crap! One percent f the country and you sitting in USA trying to be pseudo intellectual! Lol
Just bcz he is sitting in US doesn't make anyone a pseudo intellectual. Plus it's about the book by Rosita, not Uzair.
So his podcast isn’t from Pakistan! What a bummer. I thought I might actually get to talk to some kala Sahab pseudo intellectuals in the time they find in between parties and clear headed fleeting moments between the bottles of JW. Oh well.
The best dumbest take anyone can make...wow