Tillotson 212 Engine Stage 2 Install and Dyno | Tutorial
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- In this tutorial, we will take a Tillotson 212 Engine and install our Stage 2 Performance Kit. The Tillotson 212 Pull Start Engine starts at 9+ HP out of the box. The Stage 2 Performance Kit will help us gain even more Horse Power and higher RPMs. We then show you on the Dyno what power this engine is pulling.
Tillotson 212 Pull Start Engine - bit.ly/2ZNbCPD
Stage 2 Tillotson Performance Kit - bit.ly/3wb5PQ4
22mm Mikuni Carburetor Kit - bit.ly/3w5KpDO
Low Center Exit Drag Pipe - bit.ly/3CLjfEU
Tillotson T4 Oil - bit.ly/3BFAXIe
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0:00 Intro
0:58 Breaking Down Engine External
5:54 Breaking Down Engine Internal
9:03 Governor Removal
11:25 Drain
12:51 Billet Connecting Rod
22:19 Lifters and Camshaft
23:47 Crankcase Cover
26:25 Push Rods
27:17 Setting Valve Lash
29:48 Billet Flywheel
33:45 Ignition Coil
35:00 22mm Mikuni
38:04 Spark Plug/Shroud/Gas Tank
41:09 Header Pipe
41:33 Throttle Cable
42:47 Engine Start Up
44:33 Dyno Test
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What was the point of oiling the rod bearings and installing the connecting rod on the crankshaft only to remove it so it can be installed on the piston?
Good question. We do this to ensure that the bearings are properly seated. We see at the shop that some customers skip this step and snap off their rod bolts or have a connecting rod failure. Since there parts aren't cheap and there's no warranty, we suggest this process. Thanks!
@@GoPowerSports finally someone who knows what they're doing. I like watching this stuff because always things are changing and different. All pretty much same but I keep up with everything. I do this stuff to pass time lol. God I have some 50s and 60s briggs I grew up with.
You have to seat the bearing with oil between the rod and crank no matter what to avoid scoring on initial start, it takes about 10 minutes to properly seat and check your clearance which will ensure the best dependability you can achieve with your new parts over the lifetime of the motor. I might oil my next one THREE times!!
He wanted to make sure it was well lubricated. You would be suprised. You have no idea how long that motor has been sitting in the warehouse with absolutely no movement whatsoever. That motor could very well seize up! So, again....he's taking extra precautions just in case! I hope this helps!
I have a sneaking suspicion that he meant to PlastiGuage it. Whoops,
I would love to see back to back runs with the different cams on the stage 2 showing the different in how they make power at peak and down low for like the mod 2, the bp2, the hot 265, and so on. Maybe do like a graph over of all them
I can't believe this comment doesn't have more likes, this would be an incredibly informative video and aid alot of people in choosing the right cam for their application, no more needing to take this guys word or that guys word for it.
Ive watched this video 60 times to prepare myself for this project and it was very simple and straightforward! All the parts were exact and everything torqued properly! Turned my tilly into a monster!
Great job!
How is this simple? If you have to follow every one of those intricate details how would anybody ever complete this with no mistakes
@@Gone_rn because he doesn’t have to explain things lol he knows how to do it an can just get it done
@@Gone_rn my father did one with me when I was twelve and I could do them myself after the first time. It's not complicated, just follow the steps.
@@waltwalt9632 I use to get the same questions when I was in high school assembling small blk Chevy v8. The answer, other human beings do it too.Take Your Time, Attention To Detail and Under Super Clean Conditions. It ran like a stripped ass ape and was very dependable. It was in the car 3yrs a lot of runs at drag strip. It was in car until I built something even badder.I asked a lot questions from people that knew. No one told me I couldn't do that. Roll your sleeves up, Attention to detail, never rush yourself.When that baby comes alive your neighbors might not like it LOL but can say I GOT THIS!
32:14 is my take away (crankshaft stop). Thanks!
This whole video is quality. Very well done.
Taylor got that skill though!!!!! Lov ur company.....just bought this kit and got a 26mm mikuni.....cant wait! Keep makin all this cool content!!!!!!
THANK YOU!! For this you guys HIT all the important points that are WAY overlooked by the youtubers build it RIGHT!!(=
I can’t wait to get one of those Engines.
Awesome work guys that’s a sweet engine build I need to get my hands on one of these engines look like they pack a punch be great for all these races I’m going to
Right on! This is our go-to engine out here.
@@GoPowerSports heck at it’s a good one I need one to review on my channel just don’t have the funds for one yet but soon hopefully
Hi!..Not sure who your guy is that made this video but he is thorough, precise,a great communicator and articulate! Give this young buck a raise AND A COMPANY CAR!!! This video is VERY precise and thorough....period! He does a great job and covers every detail! By far the best build video I have seen and being that I am 62 years old I have seen hundreds. Whoever owns Go Powersports needs to give this man a raise!!! A+++++++!
that was some fast work you made of that fine job
Great video! Hope to come buy a TIllotson 212 from y’all and hop it up!!!!!
Awesome video. the proof is in the results on the dyno. 15 HP (50% increase) is impressive for bolt on parts.
Wouldn't it be closer to 101% increase? I know the predator 212 was 6.5hp and this makes 15hp. I may be wrong.
@@repnatl your probably right. Math is hard. ; )
@@tonyd7164 you must have used used common core that explains everything 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you go powersports! For showing me all the cool sh*t my daddy never did! Lmaooo 🎉🎉😂
I'm so excited I'm getting one like this in the spring.i bought my daughter a coleman so I'm going have to get something she can keep up with.
Very informative. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
i have one in my cart next friday its mine oh mine lol great vid its like he was assembling a ar15 quick as hell
Hey Taylor, how about a making video on custom length pushrods? Measuring, cutting and assembling.
If you leave the rockers loose take the spark plug out and put some thin rope inside the cylinder you can torque that flywheel bolt to 65 ft lb if you don't have an adapter and then adjust your valves
Outstanding video 👍 excellent
Thank you very much!
Thank you for the info was a huge help tonight. I am in proccess on a couple of the 212ee I bought from you guys with mega moto frames I did my friends engine tonight he will be so excited to see it we just need some carbs is all soon will a tct push one of these ok?
Need to look into doing this to two of these on 1 kart
Awesome video. I just put the stage 2 in my Tilly with the same carb.
I want to go stage 4 but it was out of stock.
What all do I need from here?
Hell yeah. I'm building a stroker motor
Love it Taylor you help me build mine up here in Canada. Eh
I spent a full day adjusting, changing settings, rechecking, removing parts up to and including the engine from the frame, and more only to find out the Autolite sparkplug was defective (or just complete crap). Hopefully, if yout read this it will save you a day of pulling the start cable and some soreness.
Can't wait to get my claws on a Tillotson 😍🦖
You Won't Regret it' I luv mine' even Stock it has great power/Torque an even sounds mean Stock'
Are you still looking for an engine to buy
Aww man.....You and me both!!!! Fully worked out!!!!
I will definitely buy the prebuilt engine in November and my bike with out the engine im hyper
Kit now comes with .010 headgasket...is that just for raising compression? How necessary is it? Thanks for video...my first 212 build and lots of help here! appreciated
Great explanation, but the one thing I will say is that Honda states and their service manuals not to tighten the coil down on the magnet with feeler gauges
We use business cards :)
Hey GoPowerSports, I want to go stage 3 on my Tillotson 212 hemi but have encountered a few problems and would like your opinion. I know you carry a valve train kit for the Predator 212 hemi, and I know that most of the parts are interchangeable between the hemi pred and hemi tilly, however the Tillotson has a 24mm exhaust valve while the Predator's is 25mm, meaning the valve train kit for the predator is not 100% compatible with the Tillotson. Wondering what can be done in this case? also will ratio rockers made for the hemi pred also fit on the hemi tilly? thanks and looking forward to your response.
it's funny of all the engine mod videos i have watched this is the ONLY one that mentions the 12 point socket that you absolutely need to do anything with with the new rod.
??? Would valvoline vr1 high zinc 10w30 race oil be a good alternative to 4t oil ???
Or if 4t oil is not an option what is a solid alternative oil???
Is a advance timing key really going to help anything? Could it hurt power or is that like a special use case
Awesome Video!! Is it best to Break In the motor before installing any performance kits?
We personally like to install the new parts and then break in the motor with Break In Oil for atleast 30 minutes.
Not a bad idea to drop a little oil around the cylinder while the piston is at the top and a few drops in the spark plug hole mainly because you don't know how long it has been sitting and even a bit more oil if it's going to sit awhile. Just to be sure, in most of the ones I have done I do break in first just to be sure the motor is good before I void the warranty.
Yes, please don't use the $20 torque wrench of any type of work where accuracy is key. I see that a lot with twisted off bolts and stripped bolts from using a cheap torque wrench or a 50 year old wrench that has been dropped 500 times and never recalibrated
For those looking for even more Horse Power Gain out of their Tillotson Engine, pick up our Stage 2 Performance Kit.
They have good power/Torque right out the box' an even sound mean Stock'.
My Kit came with the wrong rod 3.303 instead of 308 it wasn't an option to choose the right one I still use it anyway. You got an estimate on power if you use the 26-pound springs that come in the kit with the hot 265 and 1.2 ratio heavy duty rockers
@@leebrown6153 26lb springs shimmed to the correct spring height, hot 265 and 1.2 billet roller rockers should yield around 17hp
I just ordered a212 With the air cleaner kit and trumpet header for my doodle bug does the air cleaner come with the bigger jet
Will the 1/4 inch self tapping bolts fit in the governor holes and the oil sensor hole on a 224cc predator
Do you have two seaters? Me and my wife loved it .reminds of when we were youngsters
How fast can you get up too on a mini bike with this set up ?
This is all tilitson but the video is listed under the predator 212 on GPS. Will stage 2 predator produce similar numbers? I just purchased the stage 2 for my 212 predator. Curious if I’ll net same tq and hp. Thanks
For the coil gap I’m installing a flywheel but on a 212 non hemi should I still do 55 thousands or 30
What kind of compressions been rings does the tilton 212 hemi have in its stock are they 22 lb valve springs or 18 lb valve springs😊
Jesus, this is a lot of work for someone thats not good with their hands. hope you sell these engine with the kit installed.
What’s a good clutch for this stage 2 motor for street cruising? I just ordered a rascal roller, and a stage 2 tillotson engine on your website today. Description says an upgraded clutch is recommended. I’m still new to mini bikes
What torque wrench are y’all using ?
I have a 196cc Coleman ct200ex. I'm wanting to do some upgrades. Namely remove the governor. If I change the flywheel do I lose the headlight? Are there any other options for a higher rpm flywheel that retains the headlight?
so I seen on the stage one kit with the predator 212 you set the valve lash to 0. I've ordered everything to make my predator 212 hemi a stage 2 minus the cam. Rod piston 18# springs. Stage 2 carb. My question is do I set the last back at 0 and when I get my hot cam set it a .003 or go ahead and set it at .003 when I install my new parts?
Don't use synthetics for a break in .You can if you don't want your engine to properly bed in.Cheers from that winning country NZ
So I'm planning a 26 mm carb and strate pipe on a 5hp tecumseh looks like carb exhaust and valve springs I could get maybe 7.5 put of er?
Love the channel
Aww thanks!
Do you need to add torque converter too or C. Clutch enough for it?
Fire it up, fire er up, Fire er up fire er up😮
Great video would love on in metric
Are you using differential oil as the assembly oil??
do i follow this video to installing the non hemi cruiser kit on predator 212cc? or do you have another video if not can you make a video?
Any chance you guys could just get the filter adapters machined out a little more so a standard 3/8 socket could tighten the nuts? I have a small tool kit I keep with the bike and I can’t do anything with the filter adapter. Not even my 1/4 inch drive socket fits in there.
Is for predator engines too? The website page for this kit for the predator leads me to this video. Thanks
For a quick clarification, at 14:03 you're looking for 1.180
+/- 0.0005 aka 5 tenths or 5 ten thousands
So 1.1795 to 1.1805
.0005", Thanks!
@@GoPowerSports If you go on ARCs website it says +/- .0005
The total oil clearance is only .003
.005 is a lot of clearance. .0005 seems more realistic
Thank you for the catch!
What size is the 1/4 inch 12 point socket for the bolts on the billet connecting rod? Is it 7mm?
I spoke with someone at your shop on Monday via telephone they told me the lash on a stage two setup for the predator 212 should be at 2000 for intake and exhaust should be 3000. Is this correct?
So after all this do you have to upgrade to a 40 series torque converter?
Where did you get the brake drum/sprocket adapter from?
On the pull start Tillotson 212E engine does the stock ignition coil have a rev limiter? If so what RPM
Can I use this video to installl my stage 2 racer kit onto my pred 212
Are all the parts the same for a electric start one
👌👌👌
Was this a tiltson hemi 212 or regular looks to be a hemi though
Im building a lil rascal with the stage 2 kit and this carb what size of cable do I need to order
Is there a kit for the Predator 212, or are they the same?
will the non hemi predator kit work on a duromax XP7HP
So the governor arm has a clip on it so it can be removed ?
How much for a complete built engine cost or to buy one lmk I like to get one for my mini bike thank you
Do you do this on the side? Could someone send you an engine with the kit and you assemble it?
Can stock head work for this exact build ?
What push rod length is recommended for a stage 2 hemi 212 predator with the 265 hot cam im going to buy the kit but I’m unsure if I will have to buy new pushrods for the bigger cam lift
stock length
What's the stock flywheel to spark plug wire gap on this engine?
I bought an electric start 212 Tillotson with the intention of eventually building it. I have been told that I would have to do some heavy modification to a billet flywheel in order to use it withelectricstart. Can I use a billet flywheel if I'm not worried about the electric start? Or would it just not work? Also what mods can I do with the electric start without getting in over my head? Thanks!
Stock flywheel is rated for 10k rpm I believe so just get rod gaskets and carb
Does that motor come with stiffer valve springs? I didn't see you change those... I was hoping to see how you did those... I had a devil of a time with those automotive-style keepers on mine!
Yes, around 24lb valve springs.
@@GoPowerSports got any vids showing how you install those on the ducar\tillotsons?
do u have a predator non hemi stage 2 build videos
Can you make a list of tools and everything needed to complete this kit?
Yes, we can do that!
No check for axial movement for the crank?
I have a question that someone can answer it for me, I just received a Coleman RT 200 mini bike I want to install the Go Power Sports stage 1 Performance Kit and also remove the governor, do I have to change my valve springs also or can I run it temporarily with the stock valve springs,
May I suggest that while the crankshaft is out remove the press fit governor gear. ?
Right on, we removed the governor gear.
Is that oil there good for billet cam and for fast built motors?well it work for a 212cc predator
This oil will work for your application as well
What parts do they use hemi or non hemi
why oil the crank case cover bolts?
Tillotson flywheel good for 10k rpm? Is the billet flywheel necessary? Thanks!
I was told not to trust that 10k claim. Billet is definitely safe.
What do you recommend for a clutch? Running with guys that are going 60+ need to keep up
Bully Clutches will allow you to spin at a higher RPM, just depends on the type of racing you're doing.
What springs do you recommend for this exact build but with a flat top piston? I really need to know.
18lb valve springs
WhT size billet rod do i need for a hemi still in the box
Why wasn't the governor sprocket removed from the crank? Is that crank balanced with that sprocket on it, and is that why he left it on? Can anybody answer these questions?
No flat top piston? Wich flat top piston fits in this motor?
Wear would one find upgrade springs for a tecumseh
the tuning of that intake manifold is leaving a lot on the table. The length of the runners has a direct correlation to the engines power curve. the longer the distance between the carb and valve the earlier the engine will want to make peak torque lower in the RPM range the shorter the runner the higher the rpm HP but less torque. This has to due with the "harmonic frequencies" reverberated back to the valve and forth. The easiest way to tune the proper length for that intake runner is to cut the center section out of the aluminum pipe and put radiator hose in there and run dyno sessions and cut it shorter until you have the optimal runner length. This is how Tunnel Ram was invented by the Ram chargers in the 60's. IMO you should also be running a PCV valve system for engine longevity as well, its an old myth that it robs power and dirtys things up, it actually saves engines by making sure there is always positive case ventilation and dirty air and un burnt fuel from Bowby doesn't settle in the case and mix with oil to eventually throw rods, it also makes sure the rings seal better and reduces windage from the crank. I even use them on my race car, and so does most of the race world (albeit specialized evac systems).
One question, why use an 8mm socket to put in 6mm bolts? 🤔
What octane gas did you run in it
Can you tell us what the jetting you used in the carb was?
130 main jet for the aftermarket 22
@Go Power Sports do you guys offer a service to do the install and dyno and just send me back the motor when done?