EWI Lesson 9 Using Sound Modules. Roland XV-2020
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- EWI Lesson 9 looks at using external sound modules.
Alistair Parnell
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I have to say I have been looking for several days now for information on setting up my old EWI 4000s, that I had set down along with all my sax's ten years ago. At 72 I've decided I need one more go with my horns and the Ewi. I saw your first course and skimmed through it, and discarded it, to my dismay and three days later, I heard someone mention your "Course" So I returned and watched the first episode, to the end. I then saw Lesson 2, and with utter chagrin, I discovered the rest of the episodes! JUST WHAT I WAS LOOKIN FOR! Mahalo Nui Loa! I'll be back for more comments in a week or two! Thank You!
Hello, excellent demonstration, I am a French, I manage little in English speaking, and I manage well to understand you, thank you for this clear explanation. A short time later to have seen your video, I was convinced, consequently I purchased the XV-2020, I am not going to use it with an EWI, but with a keyboard and a sequencer (MV-8800). I have it for a week, and I am very satisfied with it, thanks to you I was able to choose a short and cheap expander (150€). Thank you very much my friend.
I use the 2020 with my 3020 EWI with Patchman added. Amazing duo
Cool I have the Roland XV2020 (with Patchman) and also the Yamaha VL70m (without Patchman's sound set). I also have the Yamaha FC-10 foot pedal with 4 controllers attached (for Volume [7], Breath [2], Portamento [5] Balance [10] and Modulation [1]). Lots to play with! One of the best things about the EWI (as opposed to the Yamaha WX-5) is that it can output Aftertouch data rather than Breath. I aim to use that with the Korg Digital Edition synth tones designed by Patchman. Great videos Alistair!
I didn't think I would like the sounds coming out of a XV-2020, but you made it sound quite nice, sounds better than Patchman's own demo actually
Hello Alistair,
Thank you very much for these lesson which are very useful. Your explanations are very clear, and I understood everything.
I begin with an EWI 5000 and even with this different instruments, what you explain is very interesting
It is also a pleasure to listen to an real english, with a nice accent (comment from a french who often hardly understand american speakers).
Hoping for new video from you.
Regards
Olivier
Hi Alistair, Thank you very much I have gained quiet a lot of information I did pick up the patch from patch-man and I am enjoying playing. Thanks !! Your tips are excellent I am based in U.A.E. Dubai.
Marlon.
I would also recommend the Ketron SD2 as the best hardware synth (also best deal for your money) for Wind Controllers in general. Especially excellent breathy tenor, flute, trumpet and violin. For the absolute best woodwind and brasses virtual instruments (software synths) look up samplemodeling.
As always, very thankful for your advice. It'd be great if you can address in the future the EWI USB.
If you have a 2020 be sure not to get the power supply wrong. It is 9V with the centre pin - and outside pin +. This is the classic blow your gear up wiring. I wish manufacturers would stick to + inside pin configuration. If you have never destroyed a device through reverse polarity then you are either very lucky, very careful or very young to the world of electronics. Enjoy. Ps. If you do have blown equipment don't throw it. It's usually an easy repair to anyone with any electronics skills.
izzzzzz6 You are right. Almost all devices are center pin positive. For people that want to try a different power supply, go out and buy a cheap multi-tester. Harbor Freight is giving them away (with coupon) here in the U.S. Concerning the correct power supply amperage, I just tried a 1.5A 9V PS with my module, and it works fine. The standard XV-2020 PS is 2A, so I guess there's some leeway there.
Great lessons! Sooooo… looks like you haven't been able to add more lessons after #9? Bummer! Hope that means you've been busy playing music!
Bought an EWI online today. Can't wait to receive it!
Thank you. That’s been very helpful! I’m exploring sound modules for the Warbl windcontroller which doesn’t have internal sounds at all.
thank you for another great insight dear alistair
Great video!
Thanks Alistair... Keep 'em comin'!
Dude.thanks for all the lessons. I just ordered one of these. I plan to use it professionally. I how it will work midi to my Yamaha 88 key.
I really like the panpipe.. I might buy this set for my XV-5080 (compatible sounds according to Patchmanmusic)
Yes our Patchman Music XV-2020 wind controller soundbank is compatible with the XV-5080. All the info is here:
www.patchmanmusic.com/rolandXV5080.html
Great work as usual.
Which musical instrument you prefer specification wise and durability AKAI EWI 5000 or ROLAND AEROPHONE?
Akai
Thanks for the video. I like the last patch you played. The chords. Is that in the patch? Or did you layer? I want to get that going if I could. I have a JV 1080, and VL 70-m being controlled by a EWI 5000.
+Gary Harris Hi. That’s a layered patch. It’s one from the patchman sound library.
Thanks!
Always love these videos. This one was particularly useful, need to test it with my JV-1010. I know Bernie Kenerson has some of these but could you show us some scale or rudament practice that would help with fingerings for scales or fast passages. I sometimes struggle with playing across octaves or the Bb as it's not quite as easy as on sax.
Cheers
These are great. Are you going to do any more?
Wow! It's amazing! Alistair, tell me, please! This sounds in your lessons, is it factory's (standart) sounds or I must buy this patch? Thank you for your answer!
Yours is the most comprehensive and useful site I've ever seen on the technical quid-pro-quos of the EWI.Can you direct me to the Alistair Parnel site that might address the question whether an AKAI EWI usb controller, which has only a usb output, would work passed into a usb "hub" where a usb-MIDI adapter has its usb end in a different hub port and its MIDI end is in the "MIDI in" port of a target MIDI device (in my case, a Roland Sonic sound module) that does NOT have a MIDI chip?
+Paul Fleming Hi Paul. I’m sorry I don’t think I quite understand your question. So I understand you’re trying to connect an Akai USB directly to a Sonic Cell?
If so I don’t think that works.
Does the Sonic Cell have midi in ports?
I’d do this via a laptop. So plug the EWI into the laptop and then comment the Sonic Cell via midi to the laptop to make a connection.
Perhaps someone else has advice on this?
@@isax.academy From Paul Fleming: Hi Alistair: My Sonic Cell does have all three MIDI ports; My description may be have been too convoluted. Think of substituting what I call a USB "hub" for the laptop: the EWI USB cord goes into the "hub", then between the "hub" and the Sonic Cell is a USB-to-MIDI adapter with its 5 prong MIDI end going into the "MIDI in" port of the Sonic Cell. The path is EWI usb cord to hub, then adapter cord to Sonic Cell. The reason I think it might work as that I went to the Patchman website, when it states with some emphasis that the Patchman sound package (or one of them) is specifically designed to be loaded into a Roland Sonic Cell sound module and NOT into a computer.
My "hub" is just a box with four usb "female" ports and one "male" usb cord. It's a sort of collector lane made to expand the number of USB ports available in your computer. I haven't bought the EWI yet, but have read discouraging reviews about the Garitan computer software that comes with the EWI USB. In contrast, the Patchman demo sounds I've heard on youtube are terrific; My plan is to buy the EWI, try it with the connection path I've described, and if it works, use the Sonic sound bank (a good one) "as is" until I can afford the Patchman which apparently expands the expressive sensitivity of the Sonic accommodate wind instrument controllers.
In any case, I would prefer not to have to use a laptop, especially for live performance. I play saxophone, flute and piano, and the prospect of being able to make a whole palette of sounds is exciting.
If you have any further comments, etc. please let me know.
Ciao.
+Paul Fleming Hi. I have a feeling this won’t work. I think it’s been tried before. There is a little box by a company called Kenton that might help but I believe the connection you suggest won’t work. The other issue is without the Patchman sounds you’ll find the Sonic Cell won’t work very well with the EWI because the internal sounds won’t respond to breath control. What will happen is you won’t get any dynamic control after the initial attack of the note.
@@isax.academy Hi Alistair: I'll investigate the Kenton box. I know that I'll have no dynamic control but can live with that while I'm getting used to the ewi usb if anything works out. Also, I would buy the ewi at the top store here in Canada, Long & McQuade, where they have a 30 day return policy. Thanks for your patience advice and advice!
P.S. This note pre-empts my immediately previous attempt to respond from which a blip in technology cut me off at this end. Paul Fleming
Hi, I'm new to all this (getting the EWI 5000, arriving in a few days). Rolands website says the XV 2020 is discontinued, do you have another sound module suggestion? I will research but I'm new and it's a little confusing...I know I will eventually understand it all, your vids are helping alot, Thanks! (Wrote this before hearing you mention the 5050, will check it out)((it is also discontinued!))
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Hi Alistair great video you explain things very well I have a Akai EWI 5000 and need to find another battery for it . Where can I buy parts like this for the 5000 ? Thanks so much Paul
Hi Alistair, I just bought an EWI 4000s and found your video brilliant, I am 70 years old and MIDI to me is like chinese I have'nt a clue. Is it straight forward to plug the EWI into a sound module and go or do I need to some kind of setting up procedure, your help would be very welcomed, Thanks Colin
Hi Alistair great video's, after a break from the EWI (you taught me when you were down Alfreton Road) I am thinking of getting hold of a sound module. In your opinion what would you recommend, something like the Roland you have or the Yamaha VL70M?
awesome
How often do you need to wash the EWI's mouthpiece? Let's suppose I'm going to practice for an hour every day.
Great films, I have gone through them the last weeks, before deciding to buy an Ewi.
Now I have a question. No matter which fingering I choose, I am allways 100 Cent up in pitch, though the tune is on 40. Could you please, please advise me?
yours,
marwan
Hi Alistair, Thanks so much for your super informative info on the EWI. I just got an EWI 4000s and found setting it up and getting used to it a bit daunting straight out of the box. But, your guides have helped me set it it beautifully and im having loads of fun with it now. As a synth player / programmer things clicked into place fairly quickly once i'd got used to the fingering layout. I'm looking forward to running this through my Korg Z1 synth in the next couple of weeks to trigger its sounds from the EWI, when i can find time!!! I see Patchman do a soundbank for the Korg Z1, but at $70, i have to say, its a bit pricey for me at the moment having just spent £300 on the EWI. Dont suppose you know how i may be able to get it at a discount?
Thanks again for these EWI guides...:-)
Glad you found some helpful stuff here.
I think people like Matt at Patchman are tremendously important to the world of EWI players. His sounds are played by many of the biggest exponents of the instrument. I imagine he spends many hours and a huge amount of experience developing his sound libraries. At $70 I don't think thats a bad deal at all. The only way to get his sounds is from his website. That's the way it should be.
All the best with the EWI.
Darn, I shouldn't have got the akai professional ewiusb. Without a midi in or midi out, I can't really connect to module boxes and etc.
I don't play any wind instruments but I am a home producer who once had a XV-5050 that broke down. XV-2020 is a model I never heard of before, have you compared it to the XV-5050?
I never tried the XV-5050 I’m afraid.
I’ve plugged my ewi 4000s midi out to the midi in on my interface and connected to my MAC using the 5 pin midi cables. I’m not hearing or seeing any connection. Please help! Thank you.
could you present original ewi sound like a sound from truth- t square?
Hi, I have a request to make the Roland module INTEGRA 7 is a good choice for use with EWI 4000s?
Thanks Alistair !!
Neither Roland XV2020, nor the Yamaha VL70m are being manufactured currently. Do you know of a current hardware sound module, compatible with 4000S? The only option available through the Patchman store is Yamaha Motif-Rack XS Synth Module ($1500 - a bit out of my range at the moment...)? Thank you!
I have bought EWI 5000, How can I connect this unit wirelessly with my PC ..... Please guide me. I have a Behringer U.PHORIA UMC - 22 Sound card. connected with the PC through USB cable. The audio outputs are given to two stereo speakers. Behringer has one XLR for Microphone input & another conventional socket for Instrument input. Now kindly guide me where I have to connect the wireless Unit of the EWI 5000 to the Behringer Sound card to get audio.
from these stereo speakers. Thanks.
Hi. You would connect the wireless receiver to your sound card if you want to use AUDIO from the Akai. Use two jack to jack leads from the receiver to the sound card. To be honest I'd just plug the Akai directly into the sound card with a jack to jack lead and not use the wireless at all.
Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
@@isax.academy I had connected the output socket which is at the bottom of AKAI through an audio cable having 6.3 mm jacks at both ends & connected this with the Instrument input socket of my sound card but it dint work.
Any one know how to assign voices to specific fingerings? Brecker used to toggle through different voices using upper rollers, or different fingerings. Trying to fine a faster way than the toggle switches and thumb on the screw.
Sir, i have an akai ewi 5000. Can u teach how to set it up in order for me to connect it and control my roland xv-5080 rack module. Or i also want to control sounds from my korg keyboard
Hi Mr.Parnell, i have recently bought ketron sd2 , and checked patchman site for patch for it , but answer was negative, so how can i get my Akai 4000s Ewi to work with Ketron SD2? can you please help me, it would be a life saver ! Thanks one more time !
Thanks for the video. I have an Aerophone 10 from Patchman and a Roland XV 2020 from Patchman with the Patchman sounds, yet I cannot cause the sound to “tail off” quietly at the end of the phrase. Is there anything I can do to make this happen? Thanks.
Sounds like a breath response setting on the Aerophone. Try using the M or H1 setting on the breath curve and also a higher setting on the breath adjust might help.
Thank you. Also, I have learned it is an artifact of the 3.10 update. The 3.11 update is supposed to fix it.
Can I go from the Roland directly to the soundboard by way of 1/4 cable? Is the Roland (or some other box) the only way to get good sax, horn sounds from the 4000s?
There are other MIDI modules and soft synths that can be used with a wind controller / breath controller if they are set up with proper patches designed specifically for breath control. Here is a list of some that we support...
www.patchmanmusic.com/WindControllerBanks.html
Hello. I bought a wx5 but I didint buy the VL70 I boght the Roland xv 2020. And I would like about tuning. If I want change the tune for 440 or 442, How Can I do? The tune is in the Wx5 or in the module? Thanks.
Look for the "master tune" in the MIDI options. Page 94 in the Roland XV2020 manual. :-)
How much money this module?
If I install patchman's patch on my 2020, can I still use it with my keyboard without reverting to factory presets?
Yes, the factory banks are permanent and will still be in the XV. Complete details on this wind controller / breath controller soundbank are here:
www.patchmanmusic.com/rolandXV5080.html
Sorry to sound so unimpressed, but you just taught us all that we need to buy Patchman soundbanks, whilst almost pretending to teach us how to alter parameters to get the EWI to control the sound source properly.
The setting of EWI parameters seems to be a guarded secret, and anyone who knows is only interested in generating sales based on their secret knowledge.
It is almost as if Akai never wanted anyone to play the thing.
How can I get pitch bend to work that well??
Hi.
So pitch bend on the EWI has to be done with the right hand thumb.
Maybe you need to check the settings to make sure they are set correctly?
You’re on the EWI USB right?
Thanks I was hoping I could get it on the mouthpiece. The more I pick the thing up, the easier it gets though. It's learning a new instrument.