We praise You for Saint Peter; We praise You for Saint Paul; They taught both Jew and Gentile That Christ is all in all. To cross and sword they yielded And saw Your kingdom come; O God, these two apostles Reached life through martyrdom.
One Greek Orthodox monk said in his book that the most holy person he knew was a housewife mother of many children. So that's not "we should all be monks" it's just as monk you don't have deal with the world as much
“God became man so that man might become God” -Athenasius. I have always thought that theosis was pretty essential doctrine because many people think that forgiveness was the only role that Jesus served he also served as a way for us to reconcile with god and become one with god by being one with his will.
Much of these "heretical" teachings came during the Second Great Awakening in the early 19th century. You will notice that most modern heretical cults came during that great revival (Mormons, JW, Seventh-Day Adventists, etc). The problem with revivals is that they "revive" ancient heresies as well. Sadly, much of this came from frontier Methodists and Baptists. That's there are so many non-denominational Baptists and Methodists (became Pentecostal and Charismatic churches).
@@TheScholarlyBaptist I am a Presbyterian, but I was a reformed Baptist until I went to a Baptist seminary. I saw the full cause and effect of the congregational polity.
1:25 I got you 2 Peter 1 4 - "by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be *partakers of the divine nature,* having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."
You should do a video on the most beautiful churches you can find in the US. Looking solely at how beautiful the building is. Not denomination. Not liberalism. Just the splendor of the architecture.
0:50 Member of the LDS church here. While we do believe our purpose here is to become like God in a more literal sense, the whole "planet to rule over" is more implied. It's a natural extension of the implications, but nobody is going to reach Heaven by wanting to rule over a planet. Overall, it's one of those things that I believe falls in the gray area of uncertainty. We don't know for sure what it'll look like, but to me, that has never been the goal of my faith, or the faith of anyone I know at church. Interesting video though, I enjoyed it!
A more literal sense? What do you think the Orthodox doctrine of Theosis is? It is nothing less than to become by grace what Christ Himself is by nature, that is, having both a human and divine nature. There could be nothing more explicit or literal than St Athanasius saying "God became man so that man might become God." Meaning, we literally become divine/human. The Telos of man is to truly embody and live out "the image and likeness of God".
This topic to me is the one that stresses me out the most, honestly. Mainly because I just know I can never be enough no matter how much I want to be or how much effort I put in. If I had to constantly worry about if I'm still saved or not, I would never be able to enjoy any blessings coming my way in life. I'd just be stressing out about being saved. It's enough to have the burden of the immense guilt I feel when sin comes my way and I stumble.
It's not about being enough, friend. It's about trusting the Lord and the kingdom he will bring for you. It's not about whether you're saved. Keep in faith in the Lord. Do not seek worldly pleasures or the passions of this world, for they lead you away. That is why we all must avoid committing sin, to be one with Gods' will is to "sin no more." Your blessings may or may not be for your enjoyment, but rather, for your connection with the divine, with God, they can even set the stage for your reward in heaven to come. In your immense guilt, you must repent to be made right with God. You will be in my alms ☦️🙏♥️
I'm only a few minutes into the video, but I'm already blown away. Protestant theosis and the distinction between justification and santificiation are what ive always been taught, but I have *never* (literally never) heard Christians outside of my home church talk about them. This is a very important video. I'm glad you made it, and I hope it gets the attention it deserves.
In sharing my thoughts, it's important to note that I am not affiliated with the clergy. For those within my denomination, Eastern Orthodox, who may have a deeper understanding, I welcome any corrections. My intention is not to criticize, but rather to express my admiration for your CZcams content, which has played a significant role in my return to Christ. I think you have the misconception that our denomination completely denies the significance of Christ's resurrection in saving us, but this is not the case. While we may not always make a clear distinction, we believe in expressing love through actions. In any relationship, actions speak volumes about love, and similarly, displaying love for God involves adhering to His teachings, striving to avoid sin, and praying, among other actions. We recognize our human fallibility and our propensity for sin, which prompted God to send His Son to atone for our sins. Salvation comes from accepting Jesus's sacrifice and following His path. However, due to our inherent imperfections, we are constantly falling short and seeking forgiveness through prayer. Our faith acknowledges that each individual's journey with God is deeply personal, and we don't believe in rigidly following rules. Christianity is about establishing a meaningful relationship with God. Not everyone is expected to adhere strictly to fasting or prayer practices, as we have variations to accommodate everyone's effort to draw closer to God. As long as one sincerely strives to draw near to God, one will find salvation. A hard-working teacher who only has time for 5-minute prayers morning and night is just as saved as a monk who prays 8 hours a day. If you ask, 'Am I doing enough to be saved?' you aren't. If you ask, 'Am I doing enough to please You?' you are. The monks who say they hope they are saved say it out of humility-not to claim they know God's ways. Simply put, the moment you accepted theosis-God's transformative presence in your life-you were saved Peace and love! BTW, I love your videos
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I haven't really noticed that? The base is in general the same dogma, which every pastor would say. That said, there are different school of thoughts within Orthodoxy about the details which aren't clearly defined. We don't in general think they are that important beliefs to one's personal salvation
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Added to my second comment, please be careful when researching Orthodoxy. The best thing to do is to ask a pastor since these days many just put the label "Eastern Orthodoxy" to all kinds of teachings. I was explicitly warned about this when I was young
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Get an interview with Father Josiah Trenham or Father Zechariah Lynch. I think they would very eloquently convey to orthodox perspective. I highly recommedn Father Josiah since he was educated to be a Calvinist minister and studied under RC Sproul.
Joshua Schooping is a perennialist who left Calvinism because PSA was too mean and then left Orthodoxy because he realized it was actually LESS universalist than protestantism. So, not a great source
I learned a lot in this episode. Thanks for explaining our view of Justification and Sanctification as Baptism (once) and the Blood in Communion (life long).
Also you pointed out that you need both justification and sanctification (as James says) to be saved. And I'd add that in addition to confession to God, at baptism all previous sins are absolutely washed away and every time you partake in the Eucharist all sins are washed away. These sacraments are means of grace give us additional assurance. That is why communion should be at the very least once a month.
Currently going through Eastern Orthodoxy catechism classes (converting from Lutheranism). Your video dropped close to the same time as the theosis talk.
"But at the end of the day you do need to actually made more righteous to get into heaven - its not like you can be total serial killer and the immediately go to into heaven" dude is one step out of understanding Purgatory and don't know that.
Not a Catholic, but for real. The concepts are closely linked. While I disagree with the specific Catholic conception of purgatory, the Bible *confirms* a similar concept!
@@Draezeththere honestly isn't a specific Catholic teaching of purgatory, other than "there is a necessity to be purified between death and entering God's presence- for most people". Everything else about purgatory is conjecture and not actual doctrine. The Catholic Catechism is very clear on this.
@@Draezeth The Bible confirms a SIMILAR concept. Purgatory is complete bull, but they are on to something because theosis does indeed continue after you have perished.
"Christification" is erroneous. Who are we made in the image of? "Let US make man in OUR image and likeness." We are made in the image of God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We are made in the image of the entire Trinity, not merely one hypostasis. Christ plays a unique role in that because He uniquely became incarnate and took on flesh and the human nature, but we are first and foremost made in the image of the entire Godhead. Therefore, the deification that we experience is Triadic, and not only bestowed by Christ.
Hey Zoomer, do you have an opinion on the Danish Lutheran Church? Im a Lutheran from Germany (which, as by now commonly known, has sadly become very liberal) but Im very likely to move to Denmark within the next two months. I know that Denmarks main church is Lutheran but I wonder if its even worse off than our german Lutheran branch...
The Scandinavian Lutheran Churches are literally the worst "Lutheran" churches in the world. They're all connected and the biggest (Sweden's) has literally had a openly married lesbian (she was married to another lesbian priest) as the highest bishop. The State Churches in the Nordic countries are as theologically liberal as you can get. Somehow they are still high church though.
I don’t know your name redeemed zoomer but what you have done for my faith is monumental. I keep you in my prayers and I pray that you continue to spread the good news of our Lord
Toll houses are literary imagery of a spiritual reality that’s probably impossible for us to really describe or understand. There will be some kind of testing of our soul after death and a purification, we use different allegories to try to hint at what that experience will be like.
1. Good video. 2. Union with Christ is not an exclusive Calvinist doctrine. 3. Sanctification is positional as well as progressive. 4. Not all Baptists believe in "once saved always saved". This Baptist believes in perseverance of the saints, which I prefer to term as "preservation of the Holy Spirit".
13:15 - 15:03 Sounds pretty catholic im not gonna lie Also is schooping that guy who left and became someone liberal and universalist or is that a different guy?
"Correct me if I'm misrepresenting EO". It's interesting that RZ never says this about (little r) reformed Baptists and their theology, he only has grace and understanding it seems for those who are not protestant.
@@Impact_Player Baptists have no theology to speak of. I would know, as I grew up in such traditions. It is unbelievably shallow and even convoluted at times. People are certainly sincere, but there is no depth to the thinking behind it all. I found all of it to be completely lacking both intellectually and theologically. I'm talking about more than one church here, too, not just one. Free Methodist, Baptist, Nazarene, Non-denominational, they all felt about the same anyway and were all equally shallow and lifeless. I have respect for Baptists as they are fellow beings made in the image and likeness of God and they are seeking Christ at least, but I have no respect whatsoever for Baptist theology and its ilk.
Protestants have little to no doctrine on "blessings." Especially low-church Protestants. "Blessing" is just a word that is thrown around, but no one really knows what it means or how to use it.
Didn't Paul say that if someone is "burning with passion", they should marry, in order to have an outlet? Wouldn't that imply that it's very important to not engage in self-pleasure? In other words, something close to the EO stance?
I've never seen any Orthobros at an actual church. I've seen one at school, and he showed up to his "home" church which happens to be mine twice, during the 5 months I've known him... Online Orthodoxy is cringe, Orthodoxy in-person is great. (To those who actually go to church, we don't like Orthobros, and they don''t generally go to church anyway...)
@@ShawnComposer Yeah I actually used to be an Orthobro as well so i can speak for myself when i say that. I left because of the strong anti-western sentiment (more often than not, orthobros identify closer with muslims than protestants which is insane to me). I understand that online Orthodoxy is not the same at all to real-life Orthodoxy, but I see more beauty in mainline Protestantism and Catholicism because of what they’ve done for the world compared to Orthodoxy. But Father Josiah Trenham is awesome and if I come back to Orthodoxy it would probably be because of him.
@@theobamiumchronicles2838 Well to be fair, Orthodox and Muslims are closer historically. Protestants are an completely foreign and distant offshoot from already distant theology and a literal different version of Christianity. They have also been very close to eachother whereas the Catholics and Protestants have been largely isolated from the Muslims. You shouldn't judge the Orthodox Church based on "Orthobros" who aren't even Orthodox Christians. Protestantism and Catholicism has also done extreme horrors to this world, so you can't just look at the good things and discard the rest.
@@kottekanin4006 Well I would say you can’t look at the horrors and discard the rest. The reason that we’re able to converse with each other without being censorship is because of Western ideas spread around the world. The reason we’re allowed to criticise our government and observe other religions is because of the West. The entire idea of us having this conversation would be insane. Yes, there are monsters like King Leopold II, but there are heroes as well. No matter what your history textbook says, Western powers civilised the world, and yes there was bloodshed along the way, because Western powers are human, not God. As an Indian Christian I say that before the British we were brutes. High caste Hindus were legally allowed to kill low caste Hindus, and there were many other pagan practices like killing the village leaders wife after his death. Yes the British stole wealth, because they were human, but us Indians were fools, we would’ve used that wealth for evil. For example, Iran is the most anti West country in the world, and they use their wealth to fund terror. The British brought many Indians into their universities who proceeded to spread Christian ideas like equality and the value of human life in their homeland. Say what you will about the West, but they spread Christian principles around the world to the point where the ideas in the Declaration of Independence have become fundamental in geopolitics. Well… except the Middle East. And you can obviously see how they function according to their 6th century Islamic principles. The only societies where life has no value are the anti west societies, that being Russia China and the Middle East (and i’m talking about the governments not the people). Also I’m sorry but I can’t take you seriously when you say Orthodox and Muslims are closer historically. Orthodox have been under the THUMB of Muslims historically. Research the practice of devshirme in the Ottoman Empire where the Ottomans kidnapped ORTHODOX young men from the Balkans and forced them to convert to Islam and join their military. From what I’ve seen, Orthobros are young men who are anti-west because it’s easier to blame the society you live in for your problems rather than actually work on yourself to solve them (IE Italy, Russia, Germany after WW1, China after WW2, Iran after the Shah). And I would say they are more anti west than they are Christian, as seen by y’all’s solidarity with Muslims (the most anti-western group in the world) despite the brutality towards Orthodox Christians in the hands of the Muslims HISTORICALLY, as you said. trust me. i know. i was there.
@@theobamiumchronicles2838 in theory there shouldn’t be a anti-west sentiment. I myself go to a Western-rite parish, we basically use an Anglican/roman liturgy. I find most anti-west things on the internet, in-person not as much.
From a Methodist perspective, entire sanctification is essentially our version of Theosis. It's partaking of the Holy Spirit's energy to become more like God. We would also agree though that you do not need to be entirely sanctified in this life to be justified or to have salvation. We also don't believe that Christians who achieve entire sanctification are free from all temptation and error (this is a common misconception about entire sanctification). Entire sanctification essentially means that through the work of the Holy Spirit we can achieve the pre-fall status of Adam & Eve where we are no longer in bondage to original sin (that's hyper-simplified) but we will still experience temptation, infirmity, error etc and we are still able to sin. I'd add Wesley's 'Christian Perfection' to the resources for anyone interested in a Protestant view of theosis.
yo i dunno if you’ll see this but i just wanted to throw out a question, so according to the doctrine of purgatory- wouldn’t that be the final step of sanctification?
If Christ "giving His Spirit" proves Filioque, then when God says He is the "God of Abraham," how does that not prove that Abraham causes God? Which patristic commentary states that 1 John proves Filioque?
2nd Peter 1:3-4: "His divine power has given us everything required for life and godliness through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. By these he has given us very great and precious promises, so that through them you may share in the divine nature, escaping the corruption that is in the world because of evil desire."
15:23 Justification *is* our union and reconciliation with God. Sanctification is living out our union with God by faith, on Earth as it in Heaven, in greater and ever increasing grace, holiness, righteousness, peace, joy and power in the Holy Spirit, etc. of Christian life and virtues.
Hey Zoomer, this is unrelated but I was debating someone and couldn’t win because I could not answer this question: How do we know the church didn’t edit the Bible?
The NT is with confidence the most reliable work of antiquity 😁😉 no classical work of antiquity can match the new testament, the early copies and manuscripts we have are close to the original dating and the copies are uncountable. Had there been modifications, there would be a diversity in the manuscripts
If you're inclined for an apostolic tradition (EO, RC, OO) and say, " the guidance of the Holy spirit shown in the traditions of the apostles and passed to the bishops and the entire church gave a reliable account of an authentic compilation. As well as the age of the oldest manuscripts." If you're inclined for Protestantism, uhh magic? I don't know a good case for them.
Hmm, I think a good question is asking what part of the Bible is changed/corrupted. The OT is outside of the debate since the Jews have a long tradition so there's only the NT to debate! I'm assuming it's going to be something related to the gnostics gospels... A question like that sounds good at first, but when you take a closer look it's just dumb!
@@LorenzoPelupessy Well apparently since we don’t have the first manuscripts on the New Testament we can’t know that it wasn’t doctored with things like the trinity and stuff..
@@kentenguken There are some answers to that. One, as copies of the original documents were made, the originals were still around, as were the people who first read the originals and copied the originals (and multiple copies were being made). If changes were made back then, someone would've likely noticed. Building off that previous point, the copies being made of the original documents weren't all being copied by the same people. This would make it hard for something like the doctrine of the Trinity to have been "doctored in" because, being copied by different people in different places at different points, it would've ended up very inconsistent unless it was somehow purposely coordinated. Not only would it have been difficult to coordinate, but such coordination would've very likely left a trace and would've definitely been noticed. It'd be a ridiculous degree of conspiracy. The final answer in regards to at least the Trinity, is "why?" Why would they go to that effort to add something like the Trinity in? The Trinity is difficult for us to understand, difficult for us to explain, it makes religious coexistence with Muslims and Jews pretty much impossible, and most heresies go out of their way to purposely remove it. If the Church was evil and hellbent on unity for the sake of consolidating power and control, they would've axed the Trinity a long time ago. There's no discernible nefarious or worldly benefit to adding something like the Trinity of all things into the Bible. (It's also worth noting that there's evidence for the Trinity even in the Old Testament texts, which would be oddly convenient for a doctrine that was purely "invented" so to speak).
8:02 I am Oriental Orthodox. Nothing we believe contradicts this. We believe that theosis can never be fulfilled unless Christ intervenes directly, and that salvation otherwise is given as a merciful gift of God. "God became man so that man might become God" -His Holiness, Athanasius
If you read the summa it it evident that Aquinas is supralapsarian, as are all Catholics by necessity. During Easter, we literally say “O most necessary sin of Adam,” etc., because we also believe that the world was created so Christ could die for us.
01:35 RZ seems to believe that EO has the lead on union with Christ/ theosis. Is RZ unaware of the western mystics? For hundreds of years there have been mystics in the Catholic tradition (some might include the Anglican tradition too) one of the most famous is Carmelite mysticism. Deep dive on Teresa of Avila and you will discover the best of the best.
@redeemedzoomer6053 You make several back handed comments directed at Orthodoxy suggesting that there is more to it than just disagreements. It kinda sounds like you've been personally hurt by Orthodoxy, specifically Eastern Orthodoxy.
No, because if you have true faith in Christ, you have salvation DEFINITELY. Just because others aren’t certain of it, you can still be certain. Justification says, “since I have true faith in Christ, I know that I am righteous before God” Sanctification says, “Since I have true faith in Christ, God is working out my salvation continually and people should see it outwardly”
@@Traditiononamission this doesn't answer the objection. You claim if you have true faith in Christ you are saved. Great. Tell me how you know if you have true faith in Christ
@@zeph99 That I have repented and believe in a Jesus Christ… in his life, death and resurrection, for the atonement of my sins. The Spirit grants me true faith, true repentance and full assurance of salvation. This isn’t hard stuff.
@@Traditiononamission do you have any type of assurance that isn't based on personal subjective experience? The spirit granting you true faith may in fact be the Holy Spirit or you may be in prelest. Completely deceived by a demon. And you would have no way of knowing based on your system
@@zeph99 Nope. I know 100% for certain that I have been justified before the father, based on the righteousness of Christ. If it’s the spirit, there is no mistake.
9:44 my brother in Christ, there are around 17 branches of Eastern Orthodox. We don't all agree about that whole "angels and demons fighting for the soul" bit. Which one are you talking about exactly that believes in that?
But if justification is a strict binary what do we do with all these verses in the Bible that talk about different degrees of punishment or reward in the world to come?
my thoughts before watching the video: kinda odd to use the eastern palamite term of theosis to describe something vaguely similar in the protestant traditions. Participating in the uncreated energies is very different from unifying yourself through Christ like the Lutherans and Reformed say
I mean if his with absolute charity - you are going to be so embarrassed in the future, when you are more mature, when you look back on all the things you said here about the Filioque. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the doctrine and the issues presented thereby.
Love ya Zoomer, It's fortunate that you are here to spread the good news, but unfortunate that children have to hear it from you instead of from their own parents.
@@redeemedzoomer6053 just realised that may have sounded insulting lol. I was implying that parents should have a duty to foster not only their children's growth, but their spiritual growth as well. I guess I'm just commenting on the state of parenthood.
As a step in the order of salvation, union with Christ was seen by John Calvin to be the basis for both justification and sanctification. Alister McGrath notes that while Martin Bucer suggested that justification causes (moral) regeneration, Calvin argued that "both justification and regeneration are the results of the believer's union with Christ through faith."
0:45 You don't understand the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Stop reading others' synopses of the King Follett Discourse. 1:05 "Historic" Christianity is in a state of Apostasy. All the "Creeds" are abominations. Philosophies of man....mingled with scripture. 15:26 How is it not a heresy to say that the Self-same God who loves us as a Father loves his children is *IMPOSSIBLY DIFFERENT*, that he is a diffrent *kind* of being, incomprehensible? Redemption and Salvation is the story of Heavenly Father saving His children, knowing that (libertarian) agency is a Divine aspect, that we need to *Choose* to follow Him?
11:30 if you /aren't/ saved by abstaining from worldy pleasures then you must believe that those worldly pleasures are not sin. But the Bible of course says that they are sin, and surely you avoid all of the ones which the Bible mentions by name. Can you not see that it is the pleasure itself which is sin? Do you not recall that Paul wants his followers to be celibate and prescribes marriage as a compromise and openly calls it such?
@@loganstrait7503 No, it's not about to end. That's what they were telling all the Baptists during the 70's which is why they made such poor life choices, believing they'd never live to reap the consequences. Very toxic worldview
First of all, you can't baptize yourself. Second of all baptism should be only in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Go to church get a valid baptism.
Stick to your bible and don't take on to many "church doctrines" granted, you should be obedient in the church you're worshipping in, but don't let those traditions be your guide. Read the word read the word, it will change you.
Tradition is literally meant to be a guide. Tradition is undeniably important because it is like building a house on strong rock that has existed for a very long time. It preserves continuity between us and the Apostles, allowing us to understand their texts and experiences of Jesus. Allowing it to be educational, traditions are also important for life lessons. As the rituals help us understand their experiences of Jesus as well. It also provides a foundation for innovations. Even in protestantism, they have some root in the Apostles despite not being as strong as the likes of Roman Catholism and Eastern Orthdooxy. Often in church tradition, there are problems that have already been solved in the Church, and the traditions make assurance that the same mistakes or heresies will not be committed again. When people start a new church from scratch, it often causes people to believe in problems that have already been resolved. In summary, while trusting the word is good, traditions help us understand the word as they were understood by the apostles and the early church fathers.
It always gives me a chuckle when a Prot can't accept a doctrine because it's "terrifying." The vast majority are condemned to eternal torment; it's already terrifying.
Ironic because you and one billion others can't accept the doctrine of sola fide which was laid out so clearly in the Bible more than a dozen times. We are told anyone who adds to or removes from the Scripture is accursed. I'd be more terrified if I was a "cath" who put faith in my own works rather than solely depending on Christ to save me.
@@Catholic-Perennialist so who’s right? James or Paul? Proper hermeneutics is to take the clearest and most consistent verses as our basis to interpret other less clear verses. By this principle, James is clearly saying that our works are a display of genuine faith - not the thing that saves us. The Gospels and Paul both make this abundantly clear. The James verse only makes an argument for faith+works if: 1. You think the doctrine called “justification” is what James was referring to, which is doubtful given the novelty of Christianity at the time 2. You isolate this verse from its context and ignore the rest of the New Testament
@@SilentEcho4178 Paul is clear: "Those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom," "Strive to enter his rest," Faith which works in love." Paul does not teach what you think he teaches.
My priest once said, "The further one grows in holiness the more aware we are of the gap between ourselves and Christ"
So true
It's like shining a bright light on something, which suddenly becomes filthy.
That's pietistic nonsense.
It is weird because one becomes more humble and grateful of the grace of God but to other people one keeps becoming holier and holier
@@Catholic-Perennialist Your comment is nonsense
Thank the Lord you didn’t get rid of kingdomcraft
Can't believe he even considered it
I would cry if he got rid of it
Capitalize the L
@@akwisn done
I suppose that means there never was any chance of it not continuing
Happy Feast Day of Saints Peter and Paul!
We praise You for Saint Peter;
We praise You for Saint Paul;
They taught both Jew and Gentile
That Christ is all in all.
To cross and sword they yielded
And saw Your kingdom come;
O God, these two apostles
Reached life through martyrdom.
@@jasonharris2291 Loved it! Did you make that yourself?
@@fallenkingdom-zd8xh From what I've found it's the Lutheran Service Book 518 - By All Your Saints in Warfare
One Greek Orthodox monk said in his book that the most holy person he knew was a housewife mother of many children. So that's not "we should all be monks" it's just as monk you don't have deal with the world as much
“God became man so that man might become God” -Athenasius. I have always thought that theosis was pretty essential doctrine because many people think that forgiveness was the only role that Jesus served he also served as a way for us to reconcile with god and become one with god by being one with his will.
Much of these "heretical" teachings came during the Second Great Awakening in the early 19th century. You will notice that most modern heretical cults came during that great revival (Mormons, JW, Seventh-Day Adventists, etc). The problem with revivals is that they "revive" ancient heresies as well.
Sadly, much of this came from frontier Methodists and Baptists. That's there are so many non-denominational Baptists and Methodists (became Pentecostal and Charismatic churches).
@@thomasc9036 what denomination are you?
Based + true
@@TheScholarlyBaptist I am a Presbyterian, but I was a reformed Baptist until I went to a Baptist seminary. I saw the full cause and effect of the congregational polity.
Please capitalise the G in God :)
Keep kingdomcraft and do both types of videos they’re amazing
Your extremely conservative use of torches really irritates me.
By that, you mean how little he places torches?
By that, you mean how he uses torches as a means to vote for Republicans?
Theosis is just the Greek term for divinization.
@@Catho.Won't argue there
And Calvinists don’t have it lol.
Other way around, probably, but yeah.
Yep! Catholics and Orthodox have the same belief on this point, they just use the Latin and Greek terms respectively.
Without theosis, salvation can ONLY be described as moralism.
That's certainly true
Kingdomcraft gone = no more RZ-composed music 😢
I pray that along your spiritual and religious journey you will come to Orthodoxy
Yes, brother, pray alms for our friend redeemedzoomer ☦️🙏♥️
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What language is that?
@@LorenzoPelupessyAmharic, the language of the Ethiopians
@@LorenzoPelupessy it's Amharic from Ethiopia my beloved 🙏
To sum it up in a single cliche: you are what you eat.
It is the goal of every christian.
Amen. "Go and sin no more" isnt a metaphor, but a command ☦❤🔥
1:25 I got you
2 Peter 1 4 - "by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be *partakers of the divine nature,* having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."
You should do a video on the most beautiful churches you can find in the US. Looking solely at how beautiful the building is. Not denomination. Not liberalism. Just the splendor of the architecture.
Can't wait for the Kyle or Jay Dyer video response
Distinction without a difference
No. You are sheep listening to those unqualified nobodies
lol imagine relying on Lyle for advice
Can someone explain to me the zoomer-kyle-dyer lore real quick?
@@weedlol Every time Zoomer makes a video on orthodoxy Kyle and Dyer make a response correcting him.
0:50 Member of the LDS church here. While we do believe our purpose here is to become like God in a more literal sense, the whole "planet to rule over" is more implied.
It's a natural extension of the implications, but nobody is going to reach Heaven by wanting to rule over a planet.
Overall, it's one of those things that I believe falls in the gray area of uncertainty. We don't know for sure what it'll look like, but to me, that has never been the goal of my faith, or the faith of anyone I know at church.
Interesting video though, I enjoyed it!
A more literal sense? What do you think the Orthodox doctrine of Theosis is? It is nothing less than to become by grace what Christ Himself is by nature, that is, having both a human and divine nature. There could be nothing more explicit or literal than St Athanasius saying "God became man so that man might become God." Meaning, we literally become divine/human. The Telos of man is to truly embody and live out "the image and likeness of God".
This topic to me is the one that stresses me out the most, honestly. Mainly because I just know I can never be enough no matter how much I want to be or how much effort I put in. If I had to constantly worry about if I'm still saved or not, I would never be able to enjoy any blessings coming my way in life. I'd just be stressing out about being saved. It's enough to have the burden of the immense guilt I feel when sin comes my way and I stumble.
It's not about being enough, friend. It's about trusting the Lord and the kingdom he will bring for you. It's not about whether you're saved. Keep in faith in the Lord. Do not seek worldly pleasures or the passions of this world, for they lead you away. That is why we all must avoid committing sin, to be one with Gods' will is to "sin no more." Your blessings may or may not be for your enjoyment, but rather, for your connection with the divine, with God, they can even set the stage for your reward in heaven to come. In your immense guilt, you must repent to be made right with God. You will be in my alms ☦️🙏♥️
I'm only a few minutes into the video, but I'm already blown away. Protestant theosis and the distinction between justification and santificiation are what ive always been taught, but I have *never* (literally never) heard Christians outside of my home church talk about them.
This is a very important video. I'm glad you made it, and I hope it gets the attention it deserves.
There are a lot of things many haven’t talked about lately. I didn’t hear anything about fasting 20 years ago. Now many talk about it
Zoomer has been going crazy with the amount of uploads recently. Big respect.
In sharing my thoughts, it's important to note that I am not affiliated with the clergy. For those within my denomination, Eastern Orthodox, who may have a deeper understanding, I welcome any corrections. My intention is not to criticize, but rather to express my admiration for your CZcams content, which has played a significant role in my return to Christ.
I think you have the misconception that our denomination completely denies the significance of Christ's resurrection in saving us, but this is not the case. While we may not always make a clear distinction, we believe in expressing love through actions. In any relationship, actions speak volumes about love, and similarly, displaying love for God involves adhering to His teachings, striving to avoid sin, and praying, among other actions.
We recognize our human fallibility and our propensity for sin, which prompted God to send His Son to atone for our sins. Salvation comes from accepting Jesus's sacrifice and following His path. However, due to our inherent imperfections, we are constantly falling short and seeking forgiveness through prayer.
Our faith acknowledges that each individual's journey with God is deeply personal, and we don't believe in rigidly following rules. Christianity is about establishing a meaningful relationship with God. Not everyone is expected to adhere strictly to fasting or prayer practices, as we have variations to accommodate everyone's effort to draw closer to God. As long as one sincerely strives to draw near to God, one will find salvation. A hard-working teacher who only has time for 5-minute prayers morning and night is just as saved as a monk who prays 8 hours a day.
If you ask, 'Am I doing enough to be saved?' you aren't. If you ask, 'Am I doing enough to please You?' you are. The monks who say they hope they are saved say it out of humility-not to claim they know God's ways. Simply put, the moment you accepted theosis-God's transformative presence in your life-you were saved
Peace and love! BTW, I love your videos
that's one answer, but every Orthodox person gives a different answer
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I haven't really noticed that? The base is in general the same dogma, which every pastor would say. That said, there are different school of thoughts within Orthodoxy about the details which aren't clearly defined. We don't in general think they are that important beliefs to one's personal salvation
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Added to my second comment, please be careful when researching Orthodoxy. The best thing to do is to ask a pastor since these days many just put the label "Eastern Orthodoxy" to all kinds of teachings. I was explicitly warned about this when I was young
@@redeemedzoomer6053 Get an interview with Father Josiah Trenham or Father Zechariah Lynch. I think they would very eloquently convey to orthodox perspective. I highly recommedn Father Josiah since he was educated to be a Calvinist minister and studied under RC Sproul.
cro_lok2363 Quote: For those within my denomination, Eastern Orthodox."
💫🥴 big fail.. already
Joshua Schooping is a perennialist who left Calvinism because PSA was too mean and then left Orthodoxy because he realized it was actually LESS universalist than protestantism. So, not a great source
I learned a lot in this episode. Thanks for explaining our view of Justification and Sanctification as Baptism (once) and the Blood in Communion (life long).
Also you pointed out that you need both justification and sanctification (as James says) to be saved. And I'd add that in addition to confession to God, at baptism all previous sins are absolutely washed away and every time you partake in the Eucharist all sins are washed away. These sacraments are means of grace give us additional assurance. That is why communion should be at the very least once a month.
@@michaelg4919if you need additional assurance, then you don’t have assurance to begin with.
Can you please do a video distinguishing eternal security between Lutherans, Presbyterians, and baptists?
Currently going through Eastern Orthodoxy catechism classes (converting from Lutheranism).
Your video dropped close to the same time as the theosis talk.
"But at the end of the day you do need to actually made more righteous to get into heaven - its not like you can be total serial killer and the immediately go to into heaven" dude is one step out of understanding Purgatory and don't know that.
Not a Catholic, but for real. The concepts are closely linked. While I disagree with the specific Catholic conception of purgatory, the Bible *confirms* a similar concept!
@@Draezeththere honestly isn't a specific Catholic teaching of purgatory, other than "there is a necessity to be purified between death and entering God's presence- for most people". Everything else about purgatory is conjecture and not actual doctrine. The Catholic Catechism is very clear on this.
@@Draezeth The Bible confirms a SIMILAR concept. Purgatory is complete bull, but they are on to something because theosis does indeed continue after you have perished.
@@MSKofAlexandria Sooo...it's not complete bull, then.
@@sakamotosan1887 There is no third realm.
19:51 Thank you for that little pep talk segment you did here, Zoomer. I honestly did need to hear that right here and now.
"Christification" is erroneous. Who are we made in the image of? "Let US make man in OUR image and likeness." We are made in the image of God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We are made in the image of the entire Trinity, not merely one hypostasis. Christ plays a unique role in that because He uniquely became incarnate and took on flesh and the human nature, but we are first and foremost made in the image of the entire Godhead. Therefore, the deification that we experience is Triadic, and not only bestowed by Christ.
Hey Zoomer, do you have an opinion on the Danish Lutheran Church?
Im a Lutheran from Germany (which, as by now commonly known, has sadly become very liberal) but Im very likely to move to Denmark within the next two months. I know that Denmarks main church is Lutheran but I wonder if its even worse off than our german Lutheran branch...
The Scandinavian Lutheran Churches are literally the worst "Lutheran" churches in the world. They're all connected and the biggest (Sweden's) has literally had a openly married lesbian (she was married to another lesbian priest) as the highest bishop. The State Churches in the Nordic countries are as theologically liberal as you can get. Somehow they are still high church though.
I don’t know your name redeemed zoomer but what you have done for my faith is monumental. I keep you in my prayers and I pray that you continue to spread the good news of our Lord
Toll houses are literary imagery of a spiritual reality that’s probably impossible for us to really describe or understand. There will be some kind of testing of our soul after death and a purification, we use different allegories to try to hint at what that experience will be like.
question from a non beliver and a video enyojer, will you do a video on apocrypha and gnosticissm, especially the gospel of Thomas
1. Good video.
2. Union with Christ is not an exclusive Calvinist doctrine.
3. Sanctification is positional as well as progressive.
4. Not all Baptists believe in "once saved always saved". This Baptist believes in perseverance of the saints, which I prefer to term as "preservation of the Holy Spirit".
13:15 - 15:03 Sounds pretty catholic im not gonna lie
Also is schooping that guy who left and became someone liberal and universalist or is that a different guy?
16:56 that music is absolutely heavenly
We need to find out which piece it is.
@@andrewwood9684 it’s a track called “Filioque”
@@redeemedzoomer6053 cheers man, many blessings in all you do from a Scottish Presbyterian
@@redeemedzoomer6053 I can’t find it
@@redeemedzoomer6053Thank you. Btw, I recommend crafting blast furnaces to smelt ores faster and smokers to cooker meat faster.
"Correct me if I'm misrepresenting EO". It's interesting that RZ never says this about (little r) reformed Baptists and their theology, he only has grace and understanding it seems for those who are not protestant.
That's because RZ has zero respect for Baptists.
@@Impact_Player Baptists have no theology to speak of. I would know, as I grew up in such traditions. It is unbelievably shallow and even convoluted at times. People are certainly sincere, but there is no depth to the thinking behind it all. I found all of it to be completely lacking both intellectually and theologically. I'm talking about more than one church here, too, not just one. Free Methodist, Baptist, Nazarene, Non-denominational, they all felt about the same anyway and were all equally shallow and lifeless.
I have respect for Baptists as they are fellow beings made in the image and likeness of God and they are seeking Christ at least, but I have no respect whatsoever for Baptist theology and its ilk.
Question: My dad says that Protestants don't bless themselves before and after prayer, if that's true, why?
(I'm Catholic btw)
Because it’s not directly stated in the Bible. I’m a convert to Catholicism.
Protestants have little to no doctrine on "blessings."
Especially low-church Protestants.
"Blessing" is just a word that is thrown around, but no one really knows what it means or how to use it.
@@RileyMarks-vm7spwelcome home brother God bless 🙏
what do you even mean?
@@libatonvhssign of the cross
Didn't Paul say that if someone is "burning with passion", they should marry, in order to have an outlet? Wouldn't that imply that it's very important to not engage in self-pleasure? In other words, something close to the EO stance?
@@hermanessences The EO stance doesn't permit much of an outlet in any case. They're really into blue balls.
@@Catholic-Perennialist🙄_😐
@@christianorthodoxy4769 😂
nonsense
Orthobros saying the most vile, hurtful, and disrespectful things then saying “Christ is king ☦️” after: 😇
I've never seen any Orthobros at an actual church. I've seen one at school, and he showed up to his "home" church which happens to be mine twice, during the 5 months I've known him... Online Orthodoxy is cringe, Orthodoxy in-person is great. (To those who actually go to church, we don't like Orthobros, and they don''t generally go to church anyway...)
@@ShawnComposer Yeah I actually used to be an Orthobro as well so i can speak for myself when i say that. I left because of the strong anti-western sentiment (more often than not, orthobros identify closer with muslims than protestants which is insane to me). I understand that online Orthodoxy is not the same at all to real-life Orthodoxy, but I see more beauty in mainline Protestantism and Catholicism because of what they’ve done for the world compared to Orthodoxy. But Father Josiah Trenham is awesome and if I come back to Orthodoxy it would probably be because of him.
@@theobamiumchronicles2838 Well to be fair, Orthodox and Muslims are closer historically. Protestants are an completely foreign and distant offshoot from already distant theology and a literal different version of Christianity. They have also been very close to eachother whereas the Catholics and Protestants have been largely isolated from the Muslims. You shouldn't judge the Orthodox Church based on "Orthobros" who aren't even Orthodox Christians. Protestantism and Catholicism has also done extreme horrors to this world, so you can't just look at the good things and discard the rest.
@@kottekanin4006 Well I would say you can’t look at the horrors and discard the rest. The reason that we’re able to converse with each other without being censorship is because of Western ideas spread around the world. The reason we’re allowed to criticise our government and observe other religions is because of the West. The entire idea of us having this conversation would be insane. Yes, there are monsters like King Leopold II, but there are heroes as well. No matter what your history textbook says, Western powers civilised the world, and yes there was bloodshed along the way, because Western powers are human, not God. As an Indian Christian I say that before the British we were brutes. High caste Hindus were legally allowed to kill low caste Hindus, and there were many other pagan practices like killing the village leaders wife after his death. Yes the British stole wealth, because they were human, but us Indians were fools, we would’ve used that wealth for evil. For example, Iran is the most anti West country in the world, and they use their wealth to fund terror. The British brought many Indians into their universities who proceeded to spread Christian ideas like equality and the value of human life in their homeland. Say what you will about the West, but they spread Christian principles around the world to the point where the ideas in the Declaration of Independence have become fundamental in geopolitics. Well… except the Middle East. And you can obviously see how they function according to their 6th century Islamic principles. The only societies where life has no value are the anti west societies, that being Russia China and the Middle East (and i’m talking about the governments not the people).
Also I’m sorry but I can’t take you seriously when you say Orthodox and Muslims are closer historically. Orthodox have been under the THUMB of Muslims historically. Research the practice of devshirme in the Ottoman Empire where the Ottomans kidnapped ORTHODOX young men from the Balkans and forced them to convert to Islam and join their military. From what I’ve seen, Orthobros are young men who are anti-west because it’s easier to blame the society you live in for your problems rather than actually work on yourself to solve them (IE Italy, Russia, Germany after WW1, China after WW2, Iran after the Shah). And I would say they are more anti west than they are Christian, as seen by y’all’s solidarity with Muslims (the most anti-western group in the world) despite the brutality towards Orthodox Christians in the hands of the Muslims HISTORICALLY, as you said.
trust me. i know. i was there.
@@theobamiumchronicles2838 in theory there shouldn’t be a anti-west sentiment. I myself go to a Western-rite parish, we basically use an Anglican/roman liturgy. I find most anti-west things on the internet, in-person not as much.
Theosis means being one to whom God saith: I have said you are gods, the Sons of the Most High
From a Methodist perspective, entire sanctification is essentially our version of Theosis. It's partaking of the Holy Spirit's energy to become more like God.
We would also agree though that you do not need to be entirely sanctified in this life to be justified or to have salvation. We also don't believe that Christians who achieve entire sanctification are free from all temptation and error (this is a common misconception about entire sanctification).
Entire sanctification essentially means that through the work of the Holy Spirit we can achieve the pre-fall status of Adam & Eve where we are no longer in bondage to original sin (that's hyper-simplified) but we will still experience temptation, infirmity, error etc and we are still able to sin.
I'd add Wesley's 'Christian Perfection' to the resources for anyone interested in a Protestant view of theosis.
so is the Holy Spirit given to men part of the new creation? does God remove his spirit from us when we are ressurected and made like Christ?
Thanks for keeping your videos OG depite your channels growth.. From a viewer before you whent viral 👌🤗
yo i dunno if you’ll see this but i just wanted to throw out a question, so according to the doctrine of purgatory- wouldn’t that be the final step of sanctification?
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If Christ "giving His Spirit" proves Filioque, then when God says He is the "God of Abraham," how does that not prove that Abraham causes God? Which patristic commentary states that 1 John proves Filioque?
2nd Peter 1:3-4:
"His divine power has given us everything required for life and godliness through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. By these he has given us very great and precious promises, so that through them you may share in the divine nature, escaping the corruption that is in the world because of evil desire."
15:23 Justification *is* our union and reconciliation with God. Sanctification is living out our union with God by faith, on Earth as it in Heaven, in greater and ever increasing grace, holiness, righteousness, peace, joy and power in the Holy Spirit, etc. of Christian life and virtues.
Hey Zoomer, this is unrelated but I was debating someone and couldn’t win because I could not answer this question: How do we know the church didn’t edit the Bible?
The NT is with confidence the most reliable work of antiquity 😁😉 no classical work of antiquity can match the new testament, the early copies and manuscripts we have are close to the original dating and the copies are uncountable. Had there been modifications, there would be a diversity in the manuscripts
If you're inclined for an apostolic tradition (EO, RC, OO) and say, " the guidance of the Holy spirit shown in the traditions of the apostles and passed to the bishops and the entire church gave a reliable account of an authentic compilation. As well as the age of the oldest manuscripts."
If you're inclined for Protestantism, uhh magic? I don't know a good case for them.
Hmm, I think a good question is asking what part of the Bible is changed/corrupted.
The OT is outside of the debate since the Jews have a long tradition so there's only the NT to debate!
I'm assuming it's going to be something related to the gnostics gospels...
A question like that sounds good at first, but when you take a closer look it's just dumb!
@@LorenzoPelupessy Well apparently since we don’t have the first manuscripts on the New Testament we can’t know that it wasn’t doctored with things like the trinity and stuff..
@@kentenguken
There are some answers to that.
One, as copies of the original documents were made, the originals were still around, as were the people who first read the originals and copied the originals (and multiple copies were being made). If changes were made back then, someone would've likely noticed.
Building off that previous point, the copies being made of the original documents weren't all being copied by the same people. This would make it hard for something like the doctrine of the Trinity to have been "doctored in" because, being copied by different people in different places at different points, it would've ended up very inconsistent unless it was somehow purposely coordinated. Not only would it have been difficult to coordinate, but such coordination would've very likely left a trace and would've definitely been noticed. It'd be a ridiculous degree of conspiracy.
The final answer in regards to at least the Trinity, is "why?" Why would they go to that effort to add something like the Trinity in? The Trinity is difficult for us to understand, difficult for us to explain, it makes religious coexistence with Muslims and Jews pretty much impossible, and most heresies go out of their way to purposely remove it. If the Church was evil and hellbent on unity for the sake of consolidating power and control, they would've axed the Trinity a long time ago. There's no discernible nefarious or worldly benefit to adding something like the Trinity of all things into the Bible.
(It's also worth noting that there's evidence for the Trinity even in the Old Testament texts, which would be oddly convenient for a doctrine that was purely "invented" so to speak).
Why, it's almost as if there were something between your death and your entry into Heaven that changes you...
like a purification, where you get purged of your attachment to sin... if only there was a term for it
@@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 Something like "Purification Town."
@@jdotoz or maybe: “Purifatory”
8:02 I am Oriental Orthodox. Nothing we believe contradicts this. We believe that theosis can never be fulfilled unless Christ intervenes directly, and that salvation otherwise is given as a merciful gift of God.
"God became man so that man might become God" -His Holiness, Athanasius
Bro how don't you have diamond armor
how can one be invited to kingdomcraft SMP?
If you read the summa it it evident that Aquinas is supralapsarian, as are all Catholics by necessity. During Easter, we literally say “O most necessary sin of Adam,” etc., because we also believe that the world was created so Christ could die for us.
Eh, that’s sorta true but not quite. Catholics still deny double-predestination.
Plz unban that british copt he is a nice guy
@@Catho. you sir are correct
St. BishopCaleb lives on in our hearts forever.😢
@@John_the_Paul yes he shoul rally get unbanned
@@John_the_Paul he was coptic and sent this to mr first time i heard it i cried czcams.com/video/yzJuOOk3mAM/video.htmlsi=BLW1lbRy6j2_MgKN
01:35 RZ seems to believe that EO has the lead on union with Christ/ theosis. Is RZ unaware of the western mystics? For hundreds of years there have been mystics in the Catholic tradition (some might include the Anglican tradition too) one of the most famous is Carmelite mysticism. Deep dive on Teresa of Avila and you will discover the best of the best.
Good video but please use torches. I can't hardly see :(
Jeez looking at the KingdomCraft Server is nostalgic. Shame all the friends I made quit.
Wow you really don't like Orthodoxy ❤️🔥☦️
how do I "not like it" other than disagreeing?
For somebody who's never been to a liturgy you talk a lot about Orthodoxy.@@redeemedzoomer6053
@redeemedzoomer6053 You make several back handed comments directed at Orthodoxy suggesting that there is more to it than just disagreements. It kinda sounds like you've been personally hurt by Orthodoxy, specifically Eastern Orthodoxy.
We might be a prickish bunch but we're well meaning.
Makes sense given what happened to that British Coptic Orthodox guy.
"... means you have true faith in Christ probably." Is not assurance. It's probability
No, because if you have true faith in Christ, you have salvation DEFINITELY. Just because others aren’t certain of it, you can still be certain.
Justification says, “since I have true faith in Christ, I know that I am righteous before God”
Sanctification says, “Since I have true faith in Christ, God is working out my salvation continually and people should see it outwardly”
@@Traditiononamission this doesn't answer the objection. You claim if you have true faith in Christ you are saved. Great. Tell me how you know if you have true faith in Christ
@@zeph99 That I have repented and believe in a Jesus Christ… in his life, death and resurrection, for the atonement of my sins. The Spirit grants me true faith, true repentance and full assurance of salvation. This isn’t hard stuff.
@@Traditiononamission do you have any type of assurance that isn't based on personal subjective experience? The spirit granting you true faith may in fact be the Holy Spirit or you may be in prelest. Completely deceived by a demon. And you would have no way of knowing based on your system
@@zeph99 Nope. I know 100% for certain that I have been justified before the father, based on the righteousness of Christ. If it’s the spirit, there is no mistake.
9:44 my brother in Christ, there are around 17 branches of Eastern Orthodox. We don't all agree about that whole "angels and demons fighting for the soul" bit.
Which one are you talking about exactly that believes in that?
Hey Zoomer, have you ever considered meeting with Dr. Scott Hahn? He used to be a professor at a Presbyterian Seminary.
what music do you use in these videos?
He composes it himself
But if justification is a strict binary what do we do with all these verses in the Bible that talk about different degrees of punishment or reward in the world to come?
Eternally speaking, if you get reward you're justified and if you get punishment, you aren't.
my thoughts before watching the video: kinda odd to use the eastern palamite term of theosis to describe something vaguely similar in the protestant traditions. Participating in the uncreated energies is very different from unifying yourself through Christ like the Lutherans and Reformed say
Pls free BishopCaleb Im sure he would attend Orthodox mass if he could. 😞🙏
“Becoming God” seems weird to me
Me 2
I mean if his with absolute charity - you are going to be so embarrassed in the future, when you are more mature, when you look back on all the things you said here about the Filioque. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the doctrine and the issues presented thereby.
Yes the theology is theologicing
God does not "handle" your sanctification. Thats why Paul says to "Strive to enter that rest."
Love ya Zoomer, It's fortunate that you are here to spread the good news, but unfortunate that children have to hear it from you instead of from their own parents.
what do you mean
@@redeemedzoomer6053 just realised that may have sounded insulting lol.
I was implying that parents should have a duty to foster not only their children's growth, but their spiritual growth as well. I guess I'm just commenting on the state of parenthood.
You could save sanctification is looking more like Jesus, and theosis is becoming united with Jesus
One of your best videos.
I agree. These are some of the most underrated theological subjects that I wish we talked more about.
17:30 It was the creepers and the skeletons
Based video, this really made me appreciate just how important the Justification/Sanctification distinction is
This is a brilliant satire
As a step in the order of salvation, union with Christ was seen by John Calvin to be the basis for both justification and sanctification. Alister McGrath notes that while Martin Bucer suggested that justification causes (moral) regeneration, Calvin argued that "both justification and regeneration are the results of the believer's union with Christ through faith."
Theosis almost made me orthodox but just as you describe I found the reformed view of theosis and now I'm a member of a reformed church
Catholics also believe in Theosis. We just use the Latin word “Divinization”
They aren't talking about different justification, they're talking about different works.
A calvinist approach to theosis is one of the funniest things to read. Predestined to be more in union with Christ makes little logical sense
Why?
that’s the non Calvinist version of predestination. Christians are predestined to be conformed to the image of the Son.
I didn't realize that 😂 you're absolutely right
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0:45 You don't understand the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Stop reading others' synopses of the King Follett Discourse.
1:05 "Historic" Christianity is in a state of Apostasy. All the "Creeds" are abominations. Philosophies of man....mingled with scripture.
15:26 How is it not a heresy to say that the Self-same God who loves us as a Father loves his children is *IMPOSSIBLY DIFFERENT*, that he is a diffrent *kind* of being, incomprehensible? Redemption and Salvation is the story of Heavenly Father saving His children, knowing that (libertarian) agency is a Divine aspect, that we need to *Choose* to follow Him?
Very interesting.
11:30 if you /aren't/ saved by abstaining from worldy pleasures then you must believe that those worldly pleasures are not sin. But the Bible of course says that they are sin, and surely you avoid all of the ones which the Bible mentions by name. Can you not see that it is the pleasure itself which is sin? Do you not recall that Paul wants his followers to be celibate and prescribes marriage as a compromise and openly calls it such?
@@loganstrait7503 Marriage was unnecessary if the world was about to end.
But Paul was wrong on that point.
@@Catholic-Perennialist well the world is about to end, now in'nit? That's kind of one of the essential components of the Christian worldview.
@@loganstrait7503 No, it's not about to end. That's what they were telling all the Baptists during the 70's which is why they made such poor life choices, believing they'd never live to reap the consequences.
Very toxic worldview
@@loganstrait7503 No. It's the worldview of people who make bad, myopic life decisions.
@@loganstrait7503 No. The world is not about to end.
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Nice video.
Can you do a video on why Reformed Baptists truly are Reformed, despite some people ardently and arbitrarily gatekeeping that word?
well no cuz I don't agree. I believe Reformed Baptists are NOT Reformed
Your a blessing to this community brother. Love ya
nice video
Christification
Good video! Hey Redeemed Zoomer do you have any Pastors that watch you?
I baptized myself in the name of the Virgin Mary. Does this mean I get to heaven?
First of all, you can't baptize yourself. Second of all baptism should be only in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Go to church get a valid baptism.
@@kaktustustus1244 I did it in the name of the Virgin Mary and all of the four members of the trinity
Please, I beg of you, please tell me you're joking.
@@ChristianEphraimson please just tell me that you don't believe in the Old Testament that was made by the Nazis
@@peopleskingdomofwolcottia there are only three members of the Trinity
Stick to your bible and don't take on to many "church doctrines" granted, you should be obedient in the church you're worshipping in, but don't let those traditions be your guide. Read the word read the word, it will change you.
Tradition is literally meant to be a guide. Tradition is undeniably important because it is like building a house on strong rock that has existed for a very long time. It preserves continuity between us and the Apostles, allowing us to understand their texts and experiences of Jesus. Allowing it to be educational,
traditions are also important for life lessons. As the rituals help us understand their experiences of Jesus as well. It also provides a foundation for innovations. Even in protestantism, they have some root in the Apostles despite not being as strong as the likes of Roman Catholism and Eastern Orthdooxy.
Often in church tradition, there are problems that have already been solved in the Church, and the traditions make assurance that the same mistakes or heresies will not be committed again. When people start a new church from scratch, it often causes people to believe in problems that have already been resolved.
In summary, while trusting the word is good, traditions help us understand the word as they were understood by the apostles and the early church fathers.
Skibidi zoomer
It always gives me a chuckle when a Prot can't accept a doctrine because it's "terrifying."
The vast majority are condemned to eternal torment; it's already terrifying.
Ironic because you and one billion others can't accept the doctrine of sola fide which was laid out so clearly in the Bible more than a dozen times. We are told anyone who adds to or removes from the Scripture is accursed. I'd be more terrified if I was a "cath" who put faith in my own works rather than solely depending on Christ to save me.
@@SilentEcho4178 "By works a man is justified and not by faith alone."
-James
@@Catholic-Perennialist so who’s right? James or Paul? Proper hermeneutics is to take the clearest and most consistent verses as our basis to interpret other less clear verses. By this principle, James is clearly saying that our works are a display of genuine faith - not the thing that saves us. The Gospels and Paul both make this abundantly clear. The James verse only makes an argument for faith+works if:
1. You think the doctrine called “justification” is what James was referring to, which is doubtful given the novelty of Christianity at the time
2. You isolate this verse from its context and ignore the rest of the New Testament
@@SilentEcho4178 Paul is clear: "Those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom," "Strive to enter his rest," Faith which works in love."
Paul does not teach what you think he teaches.
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Hesachasm is kinda like Jewish khabballa.
Judaism is opposed to Monasticism and Hesychastic(?)practises. The similarity is only that they’re both mystical traditions
They both are heavily inspired by neo platonism. And I said kinda
No, it’s nothing like Kabbalah..
@@bobsbobbsRabbinical Judaism is opposed to to monasticism. Second Temple Judaism has monastics.
@@carsonianthegreat4672 well it is more alike to kaballa than it is to a chu chu train 🚂.
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