TRIBE TIERLIST 4.0 FOR SPELL META! | Hearthstone Battlegrounds Guide
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- After a ton of minion changes and nerfs, what are the BEST and WORST tribes in the SPELL META? Watch till the end to find out and share it with your friends :D
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Jeef calling Titus Rivendare "Titus" and not "Baron" makes me feel old
3:40 "and you're gonna be scaling slower than RDU's APM"
SHOTS FIRED 🤣
great list! i love how you touched on the closeness between A and B tiers-i see how evaluations could differ off of consistency. like, i don't play undead much at all, but they feel like they regularly speed up lobbies in the mid-game to secure top 4. i feel they may belong in A tier over naga, but i get how riffer+lurker enables power leveling to increase chances of hitting. early naga are also easy to pivot away from if you whiff (and you're obviously not incentivized to play for top 4 unless necessary when you're that high MMR), so i understand your position. thanks for the content jeef! :D
I think the core of BG is how to create the most valuable economy. The quality of spells and minions complement each other. Beasts can do this in a very easy way. They are simply too powerful.
just like in constructed KEKW
Beast? Economy? Lmao
It's pirates and elementals
Beasts are however the only tribe with easiest access to spells (the others are needed heavily last patch)
@@3takoyakis From my personal point of view, spells are another kind of resource. Obtaining spells in disguise through bats can help you save the cost of purchasing. Many spells can help you improve the quality of the table and give you a lot of discovered cards, so you can have more cards in your hand. The more resources, the more money.
yeah super sick of beasts for this exact reason and they are not even close it feels like beasts should be S+ in its own category right now
I love how the devs were like yeah we looked at hawkstrider but it wasn’t a problem big enough to nerf despite it being the main reason that beasts are so busted right now
It's more titus' tribute that beasts are busted. No sniping it and sporebat gives it. Crazy to think they started sporebat on tier 3, but they underestimated spells heavily.
POOR RDU!
Poor Rdu's apm
Mech 0:34.
Boars 1:40
Murlocks 2:20
Dragons 3:13
Undeads 4:03
Manag 5:35
Naga 6:38
Demons 7:52
Elementals 8:52
Pirates 9:42
Beasts 11:05
I just started playing battlegrounds so learning wtf the key enablers are helps a lot.
thank you jeef that kind of videos help a lot!
Thanks to Jeff and other guys. :) I'm having a rough time playing BGs on low MMR, but as i can see i have a lot to learn. 😊
define "low" ( cos you may be higher than me!).
one thing that you need to do, and i am still perfecting it, is not to "highroll" in your mind but to estimate what your board looks like and what you need to change; my second mistake is that i dont spend time to think over the offered units but tunnel vision on my idea from the previous turn ( i even pass on turn 3 the mentioned naga duo cos i have in mind the lubber strat!). lastly, stabilizing ( especially if you went 3 on 3) especially if done efficiently gets me to survive to top four in most cases and sometimes even come top 2.
good luck!
(i should just play chess instead of this, too old to apm)
@@gjokoveshoski3024High apm is only necessary to max the potential for a couple of builds. You can play most of the builds in BG without a high apm, so long as you make good use of your time. The best recommendation that I was ever given is, "Stop watching the fights."
There is no interaction. You can't influence the fights. Look at your opponent's board for recon and ideas for future builds to try, but you don't need to watch the whole fight play out. Instead, start thinking about what cards might be available in your next shop. Think about your current build. What needs to be fixed, what would be worth pivoting for, and what spells would you buy if they showed up?
If you make decisions for or against cards while the fight occurs, then you can be ready to make decisions much faster in your next shop! This doesn't raise apm, per se, but it raises efficiency and makes a high apm even less necessary.
Awesome content. Thank you!
Love the tier lists!
Thx for your work!
Your youtube is popping off keep it up Young King
Excellent thanks so much for this
Great video bro❤
Whelp Smuggler strat was nerfed but it's still strong imo, with the tier 5 dragon the scaling gets insane (but you do need the exact combination to win)
Great video!
Wow, this is totally different from what I expected, I legit thought beasts would be the weakest class after the nerfs, I guess I'll have to try it out
Great video. Helpful for a noob like me.
"Slower than RDU's APM"
thanks man!
When playing Nagas, is the Deep Blues build still good? I won at least one game with it, but I’m 4K lol.
You forgot to say that Undead Deathrattle and Mech are heavily influenced by having hero choices.
Undead Deathrattle gets much better having Nzoth, Teron Gorefiend or Arthas for example and can pop off with ETC.
Most random heroes just dont work that well.
When you do the lubber strat on tier 2 and then level, what comps are best to go for with so much gold? I usually find myself just playing Nalaa and Cultist. But is hard rolling for beasts viable with 30+ gold turns?
Def viable. But usuale better to play whats handed to you.
It’s interesting to hear about which tribes win a lot at the top rankings vs where I am…
Thank you!!! You are my fave 🥹🫶🏻
Tbh just nerf the banana slamma and wulf interaction, that alone will nerf beast to the ground
I don't think Titus Tribute is the problem; the real problem is that it stacks with Rivendare, which the Brann spell and Drakkari spell don't do. This buff was put in place when Undead were added, because Beasts were in a bad place at the time. Just undo that, and delete chicken, and Beasts will be in a good place.
Also, where Lubber comp? It's an easy A tier by itself, even if you don't pivot late game.
Lubber comp is good when you pull off but also risky.
Titus tribute should be a tier 5 that cost 4 gold. I believe that would balance it.
@@BenGoorYon the video already shows that the problem is when you repeatedly generate it, so its cost won't nerf it for Beasts. What OP said is a better nerf.
The big issue is that none of the mentioned spells matter for a fight but Titus Tribute. Deathrattle comps always had the issue that they need to get going first, so usually you had low health, and then a snipe on Baron meant your fight is lost and you are out of the game. Now you can have a triple deathrattle effect or even remove Baron entirely, since he technically only gives +50% in deathrattle stats/effects. Like on Beasts you can run a Mech Horse or additional Monkey instead, which is usually overall a bit weaker, but at the same time way more consistent since you rely less on Baron surviving.
With chicken you can already trigger all the effects, so the sniping on Baron has become less of a problem, but you run into the issue of the pirate potentially killing your chicken/baron. One Mech Horse may not sound worth it compared to a Baron that may die, but with the spell you have a total of 13 units (1+4+8) without running baron. It just always happens. That's also why it's so insane on Murlocs, you just farm poisonous Murlocs like crazy and you will guarantee to always pull 2 from your hand, so with a golden Bassgill you draw 4. 2 golden Bassgill (which is not rare) and you pull 8 units that kill anything that is not shielded.
And since its easier than ever before to stack up Gold (or just have additional Gold), you are pretty much guaranteed to have it every fight if the only thing you are looking for is the spell.
@@DexTag The other two spells obviously matter for a fight, because they allow you to gain more power during the buy phase before a fight. As an alternative point of comparison, consider Tombs vs Mask or Warhorn. Tombs was the best Quest of the three, sure, but all three of them were among the best Quests in the game, and it wasn't that much better than the others. (The whole "Deathrattles lose you health because they're weak at first" thing just isn't true if you play well.)
I haven't run the actual numbers on this, but if you are hard rolling 10g for the Tribute spell, my impression is that it's about 50/50 whether you actually find it or not, and probably about 75% if you get Saloon's Finest on T6. If you do this, you can still brick, and you're just spending 10g to run in place without improving your comp, which opens you up to getting outscaled. (This is why Jeef mentioned Sporebat was OP; a hand of free spells spells improves your odds a lot, and will give some nice consolation prizes like "free permanent Divine Shield" if you miss.)
As for the rest of your post, this is why I said Chicken should be deleted. Chicken completely invalidates every tech card previously in the game for the purpose of countering Deathrattle comps. Who cares if you buy Worgen Vigilante to snipe Golden Titus if your opponent already triggered Goldrinn twice at the start of combat and has triple-digit minions with more on the way?
There are only two ways to play around Chicken (other than highrolling, of course):
1) Get a large enough sniper pirate and snipe Chicken. Not only do you need Pirates in, and also need to position the sniper pirate correctly, you STILL need to win a 50/50 for the sniper pirate to trigger before Chicken. So as long as the Chicken player isn't throwing or AFK, there's like 10% chance that this actually works. (You can still snipe other pieces, but they're not as important as Chicken itself.)
2) Buy Tunnel Blaster or Lighter Fighter, and then trigger them at the start of combat... with Chicken!
This is really unhealthy for the game and should just get removed.
Can you explain why upbeat frontdrake is so OP? It's feels incredibly slow, it's like garanteed 2 lost combats for relatively avarage payoff
It can give you a tier 2 dragon as a tier 1 minion. You used to run into the problem of wasting gold so that you don’t sell your upbeat on turn 3, but now that spells are in it’s much easier to be gold efficient and get a free dragon. It’s only good on the first turn though, I wouldn’t buy it any other turn unless I can triple it
I understand, but it's not like a tier 2 dragon is so powerful, and it's not even garantueed. There are 2 tier 1 dragons and 3 tier 2 dragons in the game right now. 3 of the 5 minions are terrible in tempo, one offers scaling with low tempo (skyfin) and one is a bit faster (Emissary) , so majority of the time it doesn't do too much. You can buy a 3rd minion and cast a 2 mana spell, or play economy minion if the shop offers and have 4 low tempo minion. With any other reasonable start you can have 3 better tempo minion for turn 3 without the garanteed lose on turn 1-2 (and most likely a better chance to not lose on turn 4). You basicly gain an extra gold (at best) for like 5-8 armor. The value it offers for the later rounds will be less and less imapactful even if you keep it. I'd say it's debatable if it's a good opening, but proclaiming it as the best tier1 starter is definetly not true as i see. Prove me if i'm wrong.
you are the best mafaga ♥
Great video.
But instead of removing the tribute i would prefer a nerf to it and beasts.
The Wolf change/buff was a pretty bad idea imo...when i saw the patch notes i immediately thought that beasts will be the most op tribe as long as this stays...and so far i am apparently not wrong...make him a one time thing again and let him give +10+10 and Reborn to 1 other beast or something like that.
The tribute needs to cost atleast 5 gold and should move to tier 5 or 6.
Is upbeat frontdrake (T1) considered better in general than selemental/naga coin?
Yes
i lost many games where somebody got titus tribute in mid/late game and it absolutely fcked me up, even on undead it can mess you up
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I love magnetize mech, big demons and quillboars mainly because I am bad in apm plays. Apm sucks.
Man, I keep trying quillboars
It's really terrible that you need both generators and gems value booster
Mech also terrible, the only way to play is getting 5star magnetize booster mech + boxer
fr. i rlly hope they buff mechs with new upcoming patches
I find mechs less frustrating if you go for the early hand buff combo with it and try to take early games with buffed magnetics until you get some sort of end of turn scaling with drakkari
I feel they could unnerf scrap scraper to generate magnetize minions every turn and it would help mechs a lot. Every two turns is slow as dirt particularly in comparison to trolley and other value generating tier 4 minions like sporebat.
@@dstreetz91 yeah I dont think every class of cards needs to be necessarily top tier as they can be used as filler cards when progressing I think the only class rn that needs a relook for its weakness would be quilboar since it doesnt really fit well into most builds outside literal quilboar build
1:57 he says roogug is on tavern four but it shows 5? im confused can someone clarify
it was changed but at the time the clip was made he was t5
Could you please make a cheat sheat or something? Would be of great use(pictures of enables would be great too). Maybe even tweet it. Thanks in advance :O
Hey jeef, maybe call the f tiers D or C instead if they're still playable :)
I dont hate tribute, its very fun for other tribes imo, just remove goldrin and that mech horse.
pls mame meta videos for each meta
Wait, Goldrinn is still in the game? I spent over 100 gold last game without seeing it once I thought it got removed?
Well maybe you rolled for 2020 Goldrinn on tier 5? ;)
Damn jeef you can't give all this info out here for free. I'm not good enough to win if everyone knows the Strats 😂
The problem with beast is there is no way to counter it
Fuck Titus' tribute fr. If you take a risky line or just have bad shops and lose hp early for it, you still die on your stabilization turn by someone with an invincible baron who extreme powerspiked vs just you only. It honestly takes away a lot of fun by forcing you to play safe
beasts will never be nerfed
Really great videos but damn I must be honest I have hard times understanding each word and pronounciation of some names
Yeah the moment mystic sporebat revealed, it's so fckn over lol
Deathrattle gives a spell? With the same titus spell on same tier level? Hell no
8th?
Goldrinn is disgusting. Whoever thought that this rework was ok is legit either mental or have not played the game for more than 10 minutes.
1 card alone should not be able to achieve in one combat what the entire undead archetype needs 10 turns to set up.
Absolutely ridiculous, 0 thought went into this rework.
spells only made Beast more broken.
lol noticed you use ai for some of your facecams
Bruv did not put Lubber on S Tier...
Upbeat frontdrake best tier 1? Really? Or were you being sarcastic?
The way it scales. Yeah... it's the best.
It has been one of the best for awhile.
Ive seen people using Reno HP on it on turn 1 to great success. Its actually quite strong
it is insanely busted
@@EntropyTwoDid it myself yesterday and got to the 1st place
apm matters in hearthstone? Clearly I have not grasped the possibilities in this game.
Pirates require apm for max potential
When I first started playing I saw shit like gain stats for each card played, after spending gold get this in like bro nah just give me easy shit like quillboar or beasts simple shit 😂😂
I miss anomalies 😭
Bro Dragons are S tier…
Naah, since this tier list popped everyone forcing these comps and one or another just high roll, pretty un fun
So are cards in the battlegrounds NOT ACTUALLY RANDOM 😢😭😢 they NEED to be ENABLED??? ❓⁉️❓ MY LIFE is a lie
Did trump and Amaz have a kid I don’t know about?
#6 NA = 8000 rating EU
how dare you call out dogdog like that 🤣
Cope, stuck on 8k EU it seems 😂
Хахахаха понабирлаи по обьявлению нежить S, пираты A, свинобразы B
There is no way this guy put mech as the weakest tribe lmao. Mechs aren't even super slow
cant stand year of these spells :D i hate this lvl 2 high roll gameplay
This is a balanced meta??? Bro there’s no way you actually play this game
Get a new mic
Good tierlist but I'd switch nagas and undead, undead tribe has much better early/mid game than nagas
Murlocs = autolose if there are beasts in lobby
Absolutely unfair tribe, the moment someone rolls banana slama they start hitting for 15 dmg and there is nothing you can do
The horse flying out of hand is just nuts, doesn't take place on board and still scales insanely
Should be removed 100%
I miss the time when stats and midrange builds could carry you to 3-4th place
Banana are powerful yeah but hawk/chicken is the n u t s.
Also I once got in lobby with FIVE people play undead til lategame. Yeah, totally viable kek