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- Join Christel Dee, Tyrell Charles and Juno Dawson as they discuss 'Wild Blue Yonder' in the latest episode of The Official Doctor Who Podcast.
Reacting to the second episode of the 60th anniversary specials, with insightful interruptions from showrunner Russell T Davies, the team dive into the Wild Blue Yonder! They discuss all of the secrets behind this mysterious episode, what they thought of all the scares, twists and turns and having David Tennant and Catherine Tate play villains.
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I loved how the Doctor so clearly *needed* to talk about what happened with the Flux, how he both dreaded and was relieved to get to talk to Donna about it, how frustrated he was when it turned out not to be Donna after all, screaming and pounding the walls. And most of all, the way at the end he wasted no time finding out if the real Donna already knew what had happened to him. He just can't bring himself to *tell* her, but he was clearly desperately hoping she knew and he could thus talk to her about it all.
That’s a beautiful insight into a powerful moment. There was so much to process, and I hadn’t realized how important that conversation was (or would have been) to the Doctor. Thank you!
David Tennant coming back as a later incarnation of The Doctor, has allowed him to play off more of the character's vulnerability and explore a deeper emotional bond and physical intimacy with Donna. It's an absolute delight to watch.
So by that logic ..you must dislike every episode of classic who
@@jonylawson73 Not necessarily. They might simply be commenting on the progression of the Doctor as a character and how it's nice to see David Tennant play the Doctor at this stage in the character's development.
@@jonylawson73 I would've been delighted to have a discussion about that topic but you've chosen to be passive aggressive and waste your breath on being hateful. You are welcome to take your contrarian drivel elsewhere.
@@lio1234234 Absolutely!! David is such a dynamic engaging actor and it's a delight to see him play different facets of The Doctor.
What are you talking about he was like this with donna the entire time. You not remember the library, how he was with her family, the metacrisis. He opened up after the fires of Pompei and the whole concept was the doctor needed a companion, someone like donna to stop him being an emotionless arsehole.
"The Equinox" would be a great name for the deceased pilot. Connection to horses, but also the Sun crossing the Earth's equator.
Excellent idea. Fitting too. Maybe we might meet more of the former Captain's species later?
I had the same thought!
Good name. I'll TRY to think of something better, but I doubt I'll succeed.
I think The Equinox would be a much better name for the ship, but love the idea
I was thinking Equidox so essentially the same thing
I loved seeing Wilfred Mott at the end of Wild Blue Yonder. Rest in piece.
3 suggestions for the horse alien species name:
1) The Equuleus - Comes from the Latin for "little horse" and is also a constellation with no bright stars (appropriate for the end of the universe).
2) The Eponi. Taken from the Celtic/Gaulish goddess of horses.
3) The Godivi. The statue of Lady Godiva riding a horse in Coventry is named "Self Sacrifice". Very appropriate given how this heroic captain met her end.
Amazingly creative!
Equine Sapiens id call them
“Smart Horse” 😅
I really like the name: *"The Equuleus"* - just sounds so right! 👌
My Little Horsy beats any of your suggestions.
Mih for the win!
LOVE these. I was thinking Equ-something but The Godivi is....yeah, I like that.
I LITERALLY said that this episode gave me Midnight vibes and I LOVED that episode!
I definitely love Chevelon 😂
This episode was everything I wanted for another season of Donna. It will become a "classic" who episode in no time! It was perfect, and it had so many deeper and darker undertones. Absolutely loving these specials, and I hope Big Finish uses this donna-tunnity to give us more of 14 and Donna even if 15 has to come into being sooner than my Tennant loving heart can bear
The interaction between fake Donna and the Doctor about the Doctor's guilt. So good!
I think the whole episode was a great exercise in self examination. What makes you you? What makes your friends and family themselves? How do you know? The pilot's choice was heroic, but it was self protection on several levels.
I agree. Each moment as we realized that the Doctor chose the wrong Donna felt like an eternity to me, it was so well written and timed. I pondered it afterwards: Should Donna feel betrayed by his mistake? Why did they barely talk about it (in a meaningful way) afterwards? But the simple, quiet way they deal with it really lets them (and us) focus on how complex the question really is.
I think you really hit on something, actually, an important theme. The Doctor, Donna, and Rose Noble are all intersecting at a time when each has recently had a critical moment/realization about who they really are and how they see themselves. While Donna has accepted that she sees herself as both insignificant AND brilliant, the Doctor probably has a lot to work out in his future story arc.
Christel is one of my favorite voices in the DW fan space. Was surprised and delighted to see her back last week.
I think the thing I enjoyed most this episode was learning why The Doctor was pounding on that bulkhead, as it was like the only shot from Wild Blue Yonder that we saw in any promotional material. I'd assumed it was connected to someone taking or trying to hurt Donna. It's very 10/14 to have a meltdown like that when companions are threatened beyond his ability to help them (see: him shouting at the universe at the end of last episode.) But the real reason for his outburst was so much more personally painful than I ever would've expected. He flips out because he'd thought Donna was privy to his torment and could help him to shoulder the burden, only to have that hope pulled out from under him and used to pierce his own heart. Incredible choice.
Horse pilot species suggestion: Shuvalski
Reason being, there is a species of horse called the Przewalski's horse (pronounced Shuvalski's horse), which is the only true species of wild horse left in the world, and in the 1930s there were only 11 of them left in the world. Massive conservation efforts were made to help the horse, and now there's over 178 of the horses in the wild. It's one of the biggest conservation successes in history and shows the good that humanity can do, nicely mirroring the goodness and heroism of the horse pilot in the episode, countering the view of the duplicates in the episode.
I haven't wanted to fight anyone in the comments so far for the right for the name of the Captain's species so far, but I hope this one gets a bunch of upvotes, what a lovely idea. Not too obvious, either.
it also ties back into the romance-language name ideas they were bouncing around (cheval/przewal), nice suggestion!
What about "Davy"?
The mix of existential horror and body horror was kinda perfect. Also the don’t think has a mix of the same kinda horror of don’t blink if you fall to involuntary action you “lose” how ever the losing state itself has its own horror angles have the horror of not knowing where they are and they can take you so easily you end up at an unknown time separated from everything you know. However with these things they don’t behave according to laws of physics so the lose state is also kinda a horror in fear.
In this week's episode: "Doctor Who meets The Backrooms"
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@@junomiller522 true
Gotta say I really like this podcast. It's great that despite being 'official' it still feels speculative and honest like a fan podcast. Love Russellon's inserts! And Juno is just awesome knowing Classic Who and throwing french and latin from the top of her head :D
Keep it up!
There's nothing more pleasurable when watching DW than when you haven't watched the trailers or previews.
The captain's species: Equvonian, pronounced "ee-queue-vonian," who named their planet Equvos (ee-queue-vose)
The Isaac Newton intro felt like a minisode that really didn't fit in. But loved everything else.
They cover the link to Newton in the podcast (he hypothesised the edge of the universe etc). Also I feel like "Mavity"is gonna be important for the next ep (ie. The Doctor and Donna have altered the future a la BTTF2)
I loved not knowing anything about this episode going in! It was a total surprise and it’s quickly become one of my favorites ever.
I also took notice when the not-thing Doctor slowly sinks to the floor right after (supposedly) having left the room with his usual bouncy step a second before. I thought “he’s come back to tell her that other room he went to is smashed and they have no hope of firing up the ship”, that’s why he’s so subdued. I’m thinking this at light speed, then I see not-thing Donna with the real Doctor and I’m like “WTH?” I loved the way it was filmed. Brilliant.
I thought the same, that the Doctor was acting that way bc he had bad news!! It wasn't until the line "Ohh, we get hungry, don't we?" in such an eerie manner that I realized that ain't the Doctor lol
After, this episode, I'm curious to discover how RTD decides to engage with 'The Timeless Child'. Absolutely loved the reference to the plotline and Flux!!
La réf fait plaisir dans le sens que le Docteur de Jodie a existé ! >
@@rosi1206 RTD is a such a rich character writer, so I had no doubts he would continue that character throughline and engage with the 13th Doctor's story.
@@DexterWho89Unlike chibnall who wrote her story but somehow didn't engage with it
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Which is a baffling choice.
hope he retcon's the retcon of The Timeless Child plotline and make it so that its The Master who is the Timeless Child which would make more sense and restore the Timelords as the actual race of Galifray not merely downgraded in that they were created
As the alien captain is a horse-like being floating in space in an episode which the title basically translates as "sky", I'd call that species the "Kefagasus", a mix of "kefáli" ("head" in greek, as they're a horse-headed species) and "pegasus" (a mythological winged-horse and a famous constellation). Also, I'd name the captain herself "Enif", which is one of the names for the brightest star in the Pegasus' constellation that marks the muzzle of the figure.
5:29 I 100% agree. I watched the episode in the morning and sat with it all day, and I also think it's one of the best Doctor Who episodes for me concept wise. It's dark and scary and gives the Doctor and Donna's characters so much depth, I really love it
I think the alien race should be simply called Hyracotherium, as it was the first ever breed of horse, and it would be interesting to see that they had evolved in the future and became something more. And perhaps their leaders could be known as the dawn, as Hyracotherium means dawn horse.
Hyracotherium means "Hyrax-like beast", and belonged to a group basal to horses and brontotheres but not a horse. You are mixing it up with Eohippus. which means "Dawn Horse" and is the earliest true horse discovered thus far,
@@TidgysDad Hyracotherium is better known as “eohippus” - which means “the dawn Horse". The name also refers to the fact that it lived during the Eocene.
@@garylaybourne8402 You are a tad out of date. They are different genera. Look it up.
star beast was a 7, blue yonder is like a 9. very excited for the giggle
7/20 ? You are atrocious
Star beast was maybe a 3. Only good thing in it was Tenants Dr. and Donna, the writing/storyline was ridiculous
Personally, i thought of the same theory as mentioned early in the vid, in that these creatures are the same creatures as the midnight entity, it would all make sense and Russel did say there would be the return of an old enemy here and its the only connection i can think of. This has to be correct!
I agree with Russell when it comes to the secrecy. I mean, it is good that we don’t get spoiled of the plot, but (at least to me) things being a secret for a long time tends to make it seem bigger than it actually is. Like it’s this big mythological thing that’s full of references and cameos to the classic era and stuff like that.
I certainly wasn't disappointed and love having barely any idea of what the episode will be about. LOVED IT!
Let's be real a sec - does Donna not know who Mr Bean is?!
She panicked, I presume. It's so obvious an answer she just forgot how words work.
I think Houy would be a good name for the Captian's species. Referring to Houyhnhnm's, a species of hyper-intelligent horses in Gulliver's Travels who tamed humans.
With regard to the Disney deal and the prospect of new spin-offs, I'd love if there was an 8th Doctor spin-off produced like Andor, gritty and aimed at older established fans of the series.
While 15th Doctor main show was more care free & fun like Mandelorian/ Asoka and aimed at younger and attracting new general audiences.
Very interesting idea… think I like that.
I hope in a future episode we meet the captain and the robot again on a different timeline but we know how her arc ends which makes her mission all the more emotional. Species name: Vonavian
Great episode, so great to see Bernard Cribbins, he was brilliant!.
I loved the fact that it was open & bright, yet still a horror episode. Dark & scary is basically a trope, so the fact that they made such a bright & sterile place feel so tense and stressful was perfect.
Edit: The person on the left... I'm not sure if she's watching the same show, the amount I keep disagreeing with her. There's the above example, but for another instance: no, the Doctor wasn't on Christmas planet for "hundreds of thousands of years." It was 900. His age at this point is around 2,000, not hundreds of those.
Gave the girl who waited vibes
She might've said "hundreds or thousands". Not sure though.
To be fair to her, I don't think the show mentioned very clearly how long he was there.
"you can appreciate the Mavity of the situation"
When I saw the trailer for this episode and noticed the mess coming down from the vents and errie abandoned white corridors I immediately thought it was a remake of The Arc in Space.
I think the ‘Chevali’ would be a fab name for unknown pilot species!
14 has to come back again. It's the ONLY fitting way for us to see River Song's very last moment before heading to the Library in Season 4.
River: "Look at you! You look SO young!"
10th Doctor: "I'm really not."
River: "Oh but you ARE!"
River: "The last time I saw you-the real you, the future you, I mean-you turned up on my doorstep with a new haircut and a suit. You took me to Derillium. To see the Singing Towers. Oh, what a night that was. The towers sang, and you cried"
The fitting end you speak of has already happened in Husbands of Riversong
Yeah but that would retcon the husbands of river song.
For some reason the "aliens" in this episode make me think of both The Boneless that were in Peter Capaldi's era & the "alien" in 10s era in the episode of midnight.
I thought so too
Hmm, surely having a welsh production and being sort of a horse skull creature it should be named after the Mari Lwyd, an Anagram maybe?
Wildrmay.
As for the ep I Absolutely loved it! Up there with Midnight, Listen and Heaven Sent for tour de force performances, world class writing + terrifying concept.
Call the alien hero's species the Ekkunnaki.
Ekku is the old Hittite word for horse, and the Anunnaki were the alien gods who came to earth in Sumerian scripture.
I liked how often they went against trope and have The Doctor admit he had no idea why some things were happening, and (because it wasn't related to the story) we never found out. The routine thing would be for him to say "Oh, it is doing this and such..."
This will definitely become an all-time great who episode. It's very interesting to see a more vulnerable and human doctor since david last played the doctor
Maybe we call the Pilots species 'The Cribbins' in honour of Bernard.
I know someone's already said it, but I do think 'Equinox' would be a really fantastic name for the horse connection, but also due to the dictionary definition being: the time or date (twice each year) at which the sun crosses the celestial equator, when day and night are of approximately equal length. This is brilliant because it is something which occurs twice a year, therefore is a very slow process, and when it occurs day and night are of equal length... ironic given the introduction of the creatures the captain defeated were introduced with arms too long, and the fake Donna was detected to have a wrist which was too long. This would make the name of the captains species not only horse related, but also the antithesis of the creatures the captain has defeated 😄
I really appreciate the depth of analysis and the symmetry you found in this.
@@lisa_wistfulone7957 thank you 😄 I was quite gutted to see someone had already suggested it as a name, but thrilled to see they hadn't done such analysis as to why it should be the name 😄
They reminded me of titans when they were growing and running down the corridor.
Capall is gaelic for horse. I propose they be called the Capalldi 🐴
Much better writing than the last one. Thanks they are back
I liked that it was like Midnight. An episode that may seem like there’s little monsters or anything major going on, but actually it has both The Doctor and Donna left alone on a spaceship at the edge of the universe without the TARDIS and Sonic Screwdriver and trying to get out of this terrifying situation. It was quite an experience that isn’t too much like usual Doctor Who. Plus, David Tennant and Catherine Tate make great performances out of this.
My 8 year old was completely unfazed by this episode lol. For us it was less scary and more exciting trying to figure out which ones were the real ones.
When I saw the Captain, I thought surely it must be a reference to Mari Lwyd knocking on the door. And if course it's the perfect time of year for it. So let's lean into it and make the species The Marilood!
It felt like a classic who monster of the week episode and I loved it
I suppose this is my notice that there's a new episode to watch.
The ghost of William Hartnell riding The Garm is something I'd like to see...
Loved it. Absolutely no disappointment. I've watched it at least six times so far.
Can't wait for next week
I thought it was very much like Event Horizon in terms of that long corridor space ship and it being blown up
I loved, loved, loved it from start to finish. It was very scary and I was not sure they could get out of it.
Fantastic episode. So surreal and disturbing in a way Doctor Who so rarely dares to be. Real sort of Lovecraftian cosmic horror stuff.
...although it is all rather undercut by the fact that if the TARDIS had just left well enough alone, the plan would've gone off without a hitch anyway. So I'm now convinced that the TARDIS took them there just to scar Donna for life for spilling coffee on her new console. xD
It’s possible that, without the Doctor and Donna there for the beings to focus on, events might have happened differently.
You’re right,though. It was clearly established that the beings needed fast processing to figure it out, and so it’s extremely unlikely that the Doctor was actually needed. Perhaps the Toymaker was able to interfere with the Tardis or its destination- he needed the Doctor otherwise occupied so he could set the stage to torment him (through harm to humanity) back on earth.
The way this man can turn the simplest idea into an actual scary situation - really good.
I loved this and I love how perspectives are so different. I really appreciated the lighted corridor because for me that made it a whole lot scarier. It's like....if you take the bus at night or during the early morning hours in winter and everything is SO BRIGHT...you can see everyone's faces, notice every movement, you are expecting things to happen in the corner of your eye every second. Whereas when the lights are dimmed [which sadly only a few busses do where I live] I am always feeling quite safe and cosy. This half darkness almost acts like a blanket for me. And the episode had the same effect on me. Because it was bright everything felt that much larger and open...like things could happen any second and you won't be able to hide in the darkness so you can only hope you're a masterful runner [which I am not! So maybe that makes it extra scary for me XD].
Btw. I've always loved it when Doctor Who confronts us with aliens from outside our universe where the laws of physics are different/do not apply. From the new series this episode instantly reminded me a of Midnight and Flatline, two of my absolute favorites! I had a blast with this one ^//^
I have to admit, though, that they totally fooled me in the corridor scene! I legitimately thought the real Doctor was the fake Doctor and the real Donna was the fake one XD. It was done really well! Especially because the episode then _told_ me where my mistakes where in presuming so [like Donna couldn't have had all the Doctors memories because she led go of it in the last episode and the fact that the fake Doctor unfastened his tie but then couldn't preserve the fabric on the floor etc] I really felt like 10th during the 50th special constantly misreading Queen Elizabeth which was a fun experience! :D
The first thing that popped into my mind when I saw the pilot was Hayagriva. And than as the episode progressed I thought of Anubis, the protector of graves. Some species that inspired the images of our gods [which Doctor Who had also done a lot in the past, right?].
I was a bit sad you didn't mention Bill there...her fate was the worst for me. That was just heart-breaking because she seemed much more...ripped out of her life than Clara for example was because she was basically running towards her demise from the moment Danny died ^^'.
And last but not least: I am so freaking happy the Flux and The Timeless Child were mentioned! I stand behind my opinion that this narrative opens so many new doors for Doctor Who and it always makes me sad when people just dismiss the idea because they THINK it wouldn't conform with everything that had happened before [because for the most part it actually does if you really think about it and it's not like huge changes haven't been made in the past either. I am still more on the fence with the whole Time War narrative than I am with The Timeless Child for example - sorry RTD ^^' - but I can accept the decisions, love and enjoy the storylines nevertheless].
Thanks to Christel, Tyrell and Juno! It was a pleasure to hear your thoughts and initial responses on this one :) See you next week~
I'm gonna be real here. If I was stuck at the edge of the universe in a spaceship, I would play music and sing and shout and dance LOL
I think we should call the horse lady the Shafax. Because naming it after a translation for horse feels too easy and Shadowfax is the best horse in lord of the rings.
The name "chevalier" for this species would be brilliant!
Seeing Wilf at the end of the episode saved it for me. Rest in peace Bernard 😢
I think this is the same enemy the Doctor faces with Amy Pond; Prisoner Zero. At first I didnt even think about it but then I noticed things like the teeth and the changing of body type. Just like Prisoner Zero with the guy and the dog and the alien got the dog and human backwards? It would also make sense as to why no one knew the aliens had gotten on the ship since it uses vision perception (can only be seen in the corner of your eye). If its not it has to be a close cousin of the same kind.
There were quite a few moments where I thought "Oh! This is where the 15th Doctor and Ruby show up and we get a multi-Doctor special with the future Doctor." I was wrong and I'm glad I was for this episode.
Edit: I just thought of the perfect name(for me) for the alien species: the Bongalo
Really good episode, the return of David Tennant is a great thing
I am so glad that we knew almost nothing about this special. It had so much more impact with us learning about what was happening at the same time as Donna and the Doctor.
Very scary, and very interesting. Loved it! Tennant and Tate were superb. Thank you RTD
Great podcast episode! I've come up with a species name from the Dutch word for defender, "The Verdedri" (the original word is verdediger). The captain acted noblelly as the universe's defender, so it only seems appropriate!
It's very much midnight and love it when they do really weird things ❤
I mean, this is an amazing episode and all that, but it doesn’t really feel like an anniversary special.
That's Disney for ya!
For me it lacked the feel of an anniversary special, as did the Star Beast unfortunately. I enjoyed it as an episode of Doctoe Who bur as part of the celebrations for 60 years it missed something.
And that could very easily have been fixed as well. The doctor admitted (and has in the past as well) struggling with his regret over events that have happened so why didn't the entities recreate some of those as part of reading the Doctor's thoughts and struggling to work out how to assign shape and context? (See how the Flesh stuggled to stabilise due to the influence of past regenerations).
You could have had past and future faces both of doctors and comapnions as the entity tried to work out how to show this face. Both scaring the doctor with facing who they are and hammering home the question of "why did this face come back".
Hmm, maybe the pilot species could be the Equiary (or Equary) pronunciation emphasis as: eQUAry
The species of the Captain? She was an Equinar.
Everyone's trying to make the name specifically horse-related and I'm just here thinking "Amari sounds nice", which is just something that popped into my head randomly. I can definitely imagine the Doctor saying "The dead spaceship pilot was Amari, too." when talking to more Amari. Idk, just doesn't sound as obnoxious as every horse-related name and still feels very Doctor Who to me.
The Doctor has someone looking after him/her and it is female and she has been keeping the Doctor safe since he escaped from Galifrey and started exploring and that is the Tardis.
Hes a he mate ...him/her 😅😅😅😅😅 tell me you wrote that to be funny
I can't tell if the hosts were cast for an unbelievable enthusiasm or if they're just unbelievable, but a lot of this seems over the top.
I think the horse aliens should be called ‘The Equinox’ or something similar!
I think they could have gone a bit more into the physics about the edge of the universe, I would have liked that
For the captain’s species, since they’re from the seventh planet of their system they’re called Gilvanians, more properly Great Gilvanians or GGs.
I would name the horse species Stallivarion (stallion like a horse)
The Garm?!?!!? My GOD, that reference took me back! 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Horse Alien name suggestion: The Equiss - I was thinking something simple that communicates the base idea of that particular species. They are based off horses, equine, just a bit different. ☺️
"Midnight" was one of the most terrifying episodes ever to me, as well as the Waters of Mars. I still can't watch those in reruns.
I think Euxine would be a good name for the aliens. It's the greek name for the Black Sea and these aliens were travelling across the borders of the universe in a totally black void.
Nobody else is curious about the salt thing? Was it just a throwaway?
Defo in my top 3 Doctor Who stories
It's been a joy to watch David Tennant and Catherine Tate back even if it'll only be for 3 episodes. I haven't watched Dr Who in years but this has re-engaged me. Welcome back Russell T Davis with decent storylines that treat the viewers with respect and not like idiots!
species name idea for the captain who gave her life: Callidequus (latin for 'a clever horse')
Just loved it 🤭
Seeing our Wilf again, probably for the last time. 😭 😭 😭 Thank You. 🖤 [*] Rest In Peace Bernard Cribbins o7 ... 🕯 🕯 🕯
I thought this was a fantastic episode - a great blend of mystery, charm, emotional vulnerability while still including a little bit of silliness. I must say I preferred it over the first episode of the specials - while I enjoyed the vibe and the characters of the first, I did feel that some of it was a little rushed in order to re-establish the Doctor and Donna for the remainder of the specials, however this episode definitely benefited from their dynamic so in the end it was worth it.
I really like Chevallon.
I was thinking along the lines of Equus but I love Chevalon. Maybe that could be the term applied to an individual and the species as a whole is called the Cheval?
Oh my god Russell thank you for namedropping the Garm 😂😂😂
Wonderful!
Eldritch horror vibes anyone? Did Lovecraft bit off this cake too? Those monsters sound and feel exactly like what an eldritch horror would be... "Beyond the edge of the universe, into the absolute nothing, where logic breaks down..."
The flux has honestly had some effects on the doctor on hes mental health on its effecting him
The simplicity meant we could go back to concentrating on the Doctor and companion. Reminded me od Tom Baker and the space ship with the insects?
my daughter suggested Arnold as the name of the horse species. after the horse that followed the dr around the space ship in a previous episode, "The Girl In The Fireplace". its an interesting idea because it suggests the doctors involvement somehow in the creation of the species. Arnolde, Arnoldeir?
That horse was called Arthur.
she might have said that, and by the time i typed it i mistyped. i'm terrible with names. I remembered the episode but not much of the horse. Arthurians ? arthurites. @@bookswithike3256
Chevaleque combining the Latin and French.