More on superposition. General state of a photon and spin states

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  • MIT 8.04 Quantum Physics I, Spring 2016
    View the complete course: ocw.mit.edu/8-04S16
    Instructor: Barton Zwiebach
    License: Creative Commons BY-NC-SA
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Komentáře • 111

  • @justindrew7401
    @justindrew7401 Před 5 lety +137

    This guy is a genius teacher. As a teacher I can tell you this is the result of great intelligence, experience, and mastery of the subject.

    • @adrienrandall9483
      @adrienrandall9483 Před 2 lety +3

      i realize I'm kinda randomly asking but does anybody know a good website to stream new series online?

    • @jimhalpert9898
      @jimhalpert9898 Před 2 lety

      yes I do

  • @joesmith8288
    @joesmith8288 Před 3 lety +12

    I like how much time he spends on clarifying the superposition principle and measurement.

  • @thisisFaye1
    @thisisFaye1 Před 4 lety +75

    he got a hair cut

  • @drdd333
    @drdd333 Před 3 dny

    I thoroughly enjoy this gentle teacher. Brilliant.

  • @nst1058
    @nst1058 Před 3 lety +7

    Awesome mathod of explaining the theory, respect from India🙏

  • @brainstormingsharing1309
    @brainstormingsharing1309 Před 3 lety +4

    Absolutely well done and definitely keep it up!!! 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @andressalvadorsartarelli6393

    Muy buen docente. Explica con mucha claridad

  • @sayedahmed7465
    @sayedahmed7465 Před 3 lety +6

    Excellent way of teaching , absolutely fascinating !

  • @zack_120
    @zack_120 Před 5 měsíci +1

    These Superposition lectures did not explain the mechanism how a particle can be in both positions at the same time but only talked about what it is which is already known. It looks really weird, even hard to teach by experts. By comparison, the entanglement topic is taught clearer in a simple but convincing eq.

  • @tangye8243
    @tangye8243 Před 5 lety +1

    Mind-blowing!

  • @georgesbegon4252
    @georgesbegon4252 Před 3 lety

    Données claires excellent professeur l écriture est très lisible ce qui est déjà révélateur le tableau est bien filmé quant à la validité des théories je reste très modeste pour ma part vu que l on a constaté tant de remise en question depuis Newton ..

  • @mona82
    @mona82 Před 6 lety +4

    Thanks MIT

  • @nimeshdwivedidwivedi1530

    Wonderful session sir proper understand thats superposition sir

  • @ryanrizzo3866
    @ryanrizzo3866 Před 6 lety +3

    Excellent Lectures! Very helpful.

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 Před 4 lety +2

    4:41 to 4:57 in previous lecture L1.4 you have said that after polarization state becomes either or . There is no significance of cosAlpha or sinAlpha coefficient which is in front of them. So after polarization there should be no or One real parameter which is no. "1".
    Another Query_If there is one parameter then before polarization there should be three real parameter (one from real no 1 and two from complex no beta by alpha)

  • @p.s.design4338
    @p.s.design4338 Před 6 lety +4

    Really great lectures.

  • @akindeleoduwole1094
    @akindeleoduwole1094 Před 6 lety +3

    Quite enlightening and helpful. Thanks. From Nigeria

  • @Mizraab2912
    @Mizraab2912 Před 4 lety

    But you have to look in another direction-Such a nice line to convey that perspective matters

  • @joseluisrodriguez2605
    @joseluisrodriguez2605 Před 9 měsíci

    Exelente mi profe saludos desde la fiee lima peru especialidad ing electronica de potencia

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 Před 3 lety +1

    how did he resolve Einstein's paradox (e.g. how do we know if half were down already before the measurement rather than this superposition)?

  • @mareksozolins6347
    @mareksozolins6347 Před 4 lety

    Good old days at school i have getting sleep to listen to teacher -)

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 Před 4 lety

    2:04 to 2:09 _ how will we get state minus A or iota A by superposition of A by itself. Since to get state 2 A is obvious by superimpose one A by another A.

  • @ecofrend
    @ecofrend Před 3 lety

    If a photon is polarized in x direction by a polariser ,then what will happen when it passes through another identical polariser, as on Photon level it's not predictable, so do all the photons come out or ,they again come out in some probability

  • @saskiavanhoutert6081
    @saskiavanhoutert6081 Před 9 měsíci

    Very clear explanation, thank you very much Einstein was right, your explanation also, kind regards,
    Saskia van Houtert engineer/office-manager graduaded at the Graphic Lyceum, the Netherlands 29 june 1995 as a Graphic Technical Engineer. And graduaded at 19 july 1997 as a office-manager. at the Economical Administration Education ECABO-BOVA at Breda. So I have 2 profession possibilities; engineer/office-manager.

  • @elsayed111
    @elsayed111 Před 4 lety

    Dear Sir, in case of super position u tl about polaristion in two diretion where in the previous lec. u told that only one direction is the valid and other vanished, THEN HOW COULD YOY TAL ABOUTH SUPERPOSITION OF BOTH OF THEM THANS

  • @surendrakverma555
    @surendrakverma555 Před 2 lety

    Very good 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 Před 4 lety +1

    1:47 to 1:52 Why is it physical assumption? Because i think it seems obvious.

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 Před 4 lety

    8:04 why have you given thanks at this time?

  • @jorfoas
    @jorfoas Před rokem

    I would really appreciate if the teacher labeled axes properly. For example, in minute 7:23, I am assuming that both X and Y axis represent electric fields, but that should be clarified.

  • @joedarkmatter5051
    @joedarkmatter5051 Před 3 lety +2

    1:05 After he said "strange" , i see Dr Strange in him. Or is it just me =)

  • @ryanjbuchanan
    @ryanjbuchanan Před rokem

    How beautiful the internet is. If only Einstein and Newton had such tech.

  • @magnfiyerlmoro3301
    @magnfiyerlmoro3301 Před 6 lety +10

    i dont understand when he says, for 2 complex parameters there is 4 real parameters, thanks for explaining!!

    • @fcwong1
      @fcwong1 Před 4 lety +15

      alpha = a + bi beta = c + di. a, b, c, and d are the 4 real parameters.

    • @eshankvaishnavi3821
      @eshankvaishnavi3821 Před 3 lety

      fcwong1 thanks

  • @afifakimih8823
    @afifakimih8823 Před 3 lety

    He is just not a good Professor,and an excellent teacher,he is one of the leading string theorist as well !!

    • @samybouzida7956
      @samybouzida7956 Před 2 lety

      Your comment could be misunderstood. Let me help you out here: ´´He is not just a good Professor, and an excellent teacher, he is also one of the leading string theorist as well !!``
      The location of the word ´´just´´ in your sentence could lead to understand that you actually didn´t like the guy. We all know what you meant. Hope you won´t find me snob or anything. I 100% agree with you, this guy is beyond brilliant.

    • @bobbwc7011
      @bobbwc7011 Před 2 lety

      But string "theory" is scientific trash and should have been abandoned decades ago.

  • @furkanunsal5814
    @furkanunsal5814 Před 4 lety

    11:07 Up allons y and down allons y

  • @sauravmittal538
    @sauravmittal538 Před 6 lety

    how cn i build a new quantum state by superposition of spin of two electrons

  • @jessstuart7495
    @jessstuart7495 Před rokem

    My gut tells me using the two measured outcome states (spin-up and spin-down) to describe the particle's state before measurement (superposition) might not be the best approach.

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 Před 6 lety

    Does he ever explain what "physical equivalence" really means? Is the rescaling valid due to quantum probability measures adding to one?

    • @vwcanter
      @vwcanter Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah, it’s just a consequence of the same linearity he spoke of. If A and B are solutions, then A+ B is a solution. Therefore, A + A is also a solution. So 2A or 3A or iA or -A are also solutions.
      I think you could think of it as a result of probabilities adding to one, because he describes it as “normalization”. But someone else can perhaps explain that better.

    • @guitarttimman
      @guitarttimman Před 10 měsíci

      Look up schrodinger's equation.

  • @mishalkiranreddy1214
    @mishalkiranreddy1214 Před 3 lety

    Sir what exactly a state is?

  • @haiekmohammed6548
    @haiekmohammed6548 Před 6 lety +1

    Thankx professor from morroco

  • @PrivateSi
    @PrivateSi Před 4 lety

    I don't get it, he starts by saying two photons in superposition don't add or substract from each other, yet we know they constructively or destructively interfere.

  • @abdurrauf7525
    @abdurrauf7525 Před rokem

    Respected Sir, which books you used for these letters?

    • @jessstuart7495
      @jessstuart7495 Před rokem +1

      Zwiebach recently published a textbook _Mastering Quantum Mechanics: Essentials, Theory and Applications_ , MIT Press, 2022

    • @abdurrauf7525
      @abdurrauf7525 Před rokem

      @@jessstuart7495 thanks

  • @rai2134
    @rai2134 Před 2 lety

    How can we design a superposition state of spin with probabilitis of 40% and 60%?

  • @stormtrooper9404
    @stormtrooper9404 Před 4 lety

    May someone explain what is IA> ?
    And how possibly IA> ~ 2IA> ~ -IA> ~ iIA>
    How can one "state" be equal to that same state x2?

    • @compilationsmania451
      @compilationsmania451 Před 4 lety +5

      1) i is a complex number equal to square root of -1. The teacher explains that in the previous lectures. You should start from there if you haven't seen them.
      2) In a superposition equation, the states refer to the possible results and their coefficients squared are proportional to the probability of getting that state. So, the coefficient just refers to the probability, not an actual physical quantity. So, if you have a single possible state, then it doesn't matter what coefficient you add in front of it, physically it doesn't make a difference. To give you an example, if you take a bag with any number of red balls in it, if you choose any random ball from the bag, the probability of that ball being red is 1 irrespective of how many balls are in the bag, because there are only red balls in the bag.

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 Před 6 lety +2

    Also I wasnt super convinced about his argument of how we really know they are in a superposition rather than apriori being 50-50 split, does he explain it better latter or did someone catch that better than me?

    • @mohamedakrout9742
      @mohamedakrout9742 Před 6 lety +1

      This lecture czcams.com/video/lZ3bPUKo5zc/video.html of the same course (taught during another semester) explains exactly how and more importantly why there should be a superposition.

  • @jamesfullwood7788
    @jamesfullwood7788 Před 4 lety +7

    It's amazing how long a physicist can go on talking about something without even defining it (i.e., the wave function). If I was one of the students in the class I'd be like "Ok great, but what IS |A> ?"

    • @flygonfiasco9751
      @flygonfiasco9751 Před 4 lety +2

      This is a continuation of other lectures, not the first day of class.

    • @jamesfullwood7788
      @jamesfullwood7788 Před 4 lety +1

      @@flygonfiasco9751 I watched all the lectures leading up to this one....

    • @flygonfiasco9751
      @flygonfiasco9751 Před 4 lety +1

      James Fullwood Rewatch L1.4. In the latter part of the video, he goes into depth about Dirac notation describing quantum states using a photon as an example.

    • @jamesfullwood7788
      @jamesfullwood7788 Před 4 lety +1

      @@flygonfiasco9751 He still doesn't give a precise definition of the wave function. In mathematics, a function is a relation between two sets, one called the domain (the set of inputs)and the second called the codomain (the set of outputs). It's obvious that the codomain of the wave function is the complex numbers, but he never defines the domain.

    • @m.s.6449
      @m.s.6449 Před 4 lety +1

      Defining something before you know anything about it is impossible. First you learn of the existence of some new object, investigate its properties and only then, based on acquired knowledge, you can invent a definition for it.

  • @phononify
    @phononify Před 6 lety +1

    Would the argument hold also for the Hydrogen atom (assuming a nuclear spin of zero): Would the state of the bound electron would be also N*(|up>+|down>), or is the ensemble of that H atoms a mixture of up and down electron spin variants ? :) How could somebody distinguish these two cases experimentally ? Could you ? Thanks for your opinions.

    • @cakeathon9983
      @cakeathon9983 Před 6 lety

      I'm not sure what you mean by "N*(|up>+|down>)", the electron of each atom will have spin up or down with 50% probability. The experiments for spin are done on the 47th electron of silver atoms, the same thing should apply for all atoms. That being said, I don't think it can be done experimentally, it is just assumed that what is true for silver atoms is true for all atoms. The problem is that orbitals cause an angular momentum which dwarfs the angular momentum of electron spin, so you need large atoms for which the angular momentum due to orbitals cancels itself out enough to detect electron spin.

  • @silberlinie
    @silberlinie Před 4 lety

    0:49 best. How he stands there, how the
    many contradictions expressed by others
    to what has been said here in his thoughts
    rush past. And he then stomping his foot
    inwardly and he defiantly arrives at an SO.

  • @redberries8039
    @redberries8039 Před 3 lety

    6:50 beta/alpha .... '2 real parameters' or gamma 'one complex parameter' ...How are we getting the complex from a division of the reals?
    ...and I thought the alpha beta has to be complex anyhow?

  • @nickknight5373
    @nickknight5373 Před 3 lety

    He seems to be talking at a similar tempo whatever the playback speed.

  • @mp3lwgm
    @mp3lwgm Před 3 lety

    The title is misleading. You do not discuss the spin states of the photon. Instead you Segway from the polarization of the photon to the spin states of the electron; awkward !

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 Před 3 lety

    why does scale affect the physics?

    • @anonymous.youtuber
      @anonymous.youtuber Před 3 lety

      When you do an experiment in classical physics you act on trillions and trillions of atoms at the same time and you only measure some average result that is the sum of many individual results. The atoms don’t scale, there are just many of trillions of them. You can’t grow an atom the size of a football and experiment on it.

  • @themasstermwahahahah
    @themasstermwahahahah Před 4 lety

    he looks a lot more whimsical with the longer hair

  • @andreeapopa9635
    @andreeapopa9635 Před 4 lety +1

    can he teach our online classes? he's a much better teacher than ours LOL. you should always focus on the explanation instead of reading your PDF @my prof. *cough cough*

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 Před 4 lety

    Explain 3:19 to 3:29

  • @elhaditalbi346
    @elhaditalbi346 Před 11 měsíci

    🌎

  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 Před 4 lety +1

    4:04 meaning of QM state

  • @timmy18135
    @timmy18135 Před 4 lety

    11:10

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    @SfhjjFghjki Před 16 dny

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  • @kaushaljain5999
    @kaushaljain5999 Před 4 lety

    9:27 Explain

  • @bustercam199
    @bustercam199 Před 4 hodinami

    No, this is incorrect.

  • @davidwilkie9551
    @davidwilkie9551 Před 4 lety

    Spin, the concept, is a particular identification of probability positioning states in the context interpreted Superspin Modulation, the Conception of the infinitesimal sync-timing, of zero difference synchronicity universally distributed by the mechanism suggested by Wheeler and Feynman applying to the "One Electron Theory", an infinite-closed loop equivalent to the meaning of a Black Hole Singularity Conception of inflation-collapse singularity = Eternity-now +/-.., the actual circumstances of time duration timing, QM-TIMESPACE. (Requires a pictorial observation technique/imagination)
    If QM-TIMESPACE e-Pi-i in-form-ation of Time Timing is a Holographic brane, an objective of resonance imaging that "floats on nothing" (Avagadro's? No, Archimedes principle is the same positioning here-now forever Principle as Superposition-Exclusion holographic image projection drawing. Multi-phase reciprocal-resonance-> "loop" between micro-macro vanishing point

    • @bobbwc7011
      @bobbwc7011 Před 2 lety

      You need to stop taking drugs. Your comment is insane rubbish.

  • @brandomiranda6703
    @brandomiranda6703 Před 3 lety

    does he depend what physically equivalent means?

  • @scimad
    @scimad Před 2 lety

    1.25x

  • @elosant2061
    @elosant2061 Před 9 měsíci

    when he says "superimpose" doesn't he mean "superpose"?

  • @ken91656
    @ken91656 Před 4 měsíci

    It looks like a circular argument to me.

  • @jpzhang8290
    @jpzhang8290 Před 5 lety

    Laudau-style teaching. I like it.

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 Před 6 měsíci

    I retract my comment. I just have experiments showing qm fails.

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 Před 4 lety +1

    What a terrible professor.

  • @ajaymishra7212
    @ajaymishra7212 Před 4 lety

    Utter nonsense!

  • @glenmenas9424
    @glenmenas9424 Před 6 hodinami

    Describing spin up or down along the z axis is so far from what is actually happening. You cannot describe the wave two dimensionally and then describe spin on a third dimensional axis, especially if we're talking about photons because of how the electric field interacts with the magnetic field in a light wave. If you're going to describe the wave function of the nature of light and photons specifically, you must start by describing the perpendicular electric and magnetic fields in three dimensions instead of two, which I have seen no one do ever. Stop thinking in terms of sign waves!

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 Před 6 měsíci

    I retract my comment. I just have experiments showing qm fails.

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 Před 6 měsíci

    I retract my comment. I just have experiments showing qm fails.

  • @ericreiter1
    @ericreiter1 Před 6 měsíci

    I retract my comment. I just have experiments showing qm fails.