My 2022 stalled constantly, in traffic, at intersections when I pulled in clutch...so dangerous. 4 trips to 2 different dealers. Fixed for a couple days , then back to stalling. Was ready to make them take it back. 2nd dealer contacted factory, they had dlr.ship ecm back to factory for reprogramming... It's run perfectly since then ! Totally different bike :) Now I love it again !!!
Yes, that stalling problem. I lived with it because is wasn't that bad and I didn't want to give up the bike. Finally took it in and the dealer, Baxter Cycle, rolled it right into the shop and worked on it, twice. First time they almost cleared it up, second time the problem was gone. Love this bike!
I bought my 2022 Lake Blue Himi last september and have done about 4000 kms with her and it's been all fun. I can't explain exactly why I love her so much but she fits my needs and wants perfectly and often I find myself just patting the tank as I've done a series of bends. 2.7 ltrs/100 kms consumption means I can go out for the day without worrying about the cost of fuel. Just love this bike...
It's hard to quantify what makes Himalayan so much fun. Totally get what you mean though. And every cost on this motorcycle is low with a very high return on fun :-) wahoo!
Enjoyable video and pleased to hear you enjoy the Himalayan. I have had mine here in Thailand for almost 2 years. The only time I had a stalling problem was after my 30k Km service. On the ride back home (400Km) bike would stall at every traffic light and slow corner / turn. Got the bike home to find the exhaust valve gap had been set wrong at the service. Reset the gap and once again bike runs great. Easy to start and no stalling. I have no problem with vibration, seat or oil usage despite running it fairly hard on some trips. Problem with the windscreen is finding replacements for the RE well nuts they use to fix the windscreen. For me it's a great bike that I love to ride.
They are great motorcycles. I had the well nut problem too with the replacement windshield I installed. Ended up replacing the hardware with nuts and bolts. Great motorcycle :-)
It's a cool bike. In the same way, vinyl is cool, bamboo fly rods, walnut stocked rifles. There's a special quality to it. I think the 450 may have come too soon. The air-cooled 411 is often all that needed with a touch of panache.
@@briancrn113 I use Motul 7100 15-50. I think I burn maybe 1/10 or 2/10 of a lliter between oil changes. When I change the oil it's at the top line, when I add oil it's at the bottom line. It's been very consistent overtime.
with an improved cam i think thats the panache it needed 20% more power on the top end took it from "it CAN do highway speeds but maxxed out" to "its comfortable keeping up with highway speeds with room for passability" and really that was about the only downside of it no need for the 450 just improve the camshaft from OEM instead of aftermarket cheaper than building around a differet motor and makes an already great bike better which is true royal enfield fashion
@@MrAwesomal Am really struggling with the idea of getting a cam for my Himi. Should have a vid out later this week about that. If I cam the bike up would it handle higher gearing for the highway, that is the question.
I enjoyed the video and have bookmarked the problems you identified in my head. So far I've had none of the problems but I only have a smidge over 1100 miles on my 2022 Himalayan. Like you say, the Himmy is fun. And I've been thoroughly enjoying the bike and it's great on the dirt and gravel mountain roads here.
2200 miles on my 2023 Scram 411 with zero issues. I had a used 2021 Himalayan which was fine but the 2023 is MUCH smoother somehow, one of the smoothest bikes I ever had, Both bikes did not stall or use any oil. Both bikes were broken in hard, the 2023 Scram I rode hard from the first and it does not use a drop of oil. The used Himalayan was the same, it was well battered when I got it at 800 miles so I suspect it had a hard break in. Royal Enfield seems to keep improving the bikes every year unlike most other brands.
Love this honest review. Very helpful indeed. I come from riding a 906 Ducati, and a KZ 900 Kawasaki. Teo completely different bikes. I thought that now I wanted a completely different style of a bike. Looked at many. Basically something that weighed very little, great on gas mileage, not a lot of power needed. Something that I could cruise with, travel a bit on it, enjoy the scenery, be able to do roads, highways, and some gravel... I was surprised with the Zontes Scrambler 125, comes with quite a bit of extras for the price. Decided to purchase it and been riding it here in Europe where I now live... It's really enjoyable actually. Only thing is if it had 5-10 more horse power it would be tops!!! Then I started seeing these Royal Enfield bikes. Gosh I absolutely love the Classic reborn 350, and this Himalayan. Again, two different bikes. But love the sound of these bikes! Heard some good things on them to. The single cylinders using a tad more oil is to be expected, so no problem there. And the power is not a problem for me the Himalayan has enough! 24 horse power is way enough. I have my eye on these two bikes now, will see... Thx again!
I've really enjoyed my Himalayan, put 145 miles on her today. Have several faster, more powerful bikes but this Himalayan is the one that gets all the miles. Have over 16,000 miles on her and hope to double that this year. Love the Himalayan. Wahoo!
Nice ride, I just bought a 250 single for dirt roads and singletrack. The only difference you will notice with an Iridium plug, is you will never need to adjust or replace it, they dont promise anything more.
I put Dunlop D606 knobbies on mine , thing is a beast off road. It will go anywhere . Just don't bury it in the mud ... Kinda heavy. If I go offroad I take a friend lol....a strong one...
My himalayan also had the stalling issue straight off the lot. Took it back and they adjusted the idle up a bit, apparently it's a pretty common issue. Runs like a champ now
Mine’s a 2023 and hasn’t really had any idling/stalling issues, even in very cold (high 30s Fahrenheit) weather. It idles at about 1500 usually, I wonder if that’s just my dealer or if RE changed the standard idle speed after all of the complaints about it?
I have a 22. It had the stalling issue. The dealer was able to flash the program in the ECU and I haven't had a problem since. 4300 miles now and I need a new rear tire.
Great that the stalling issue was handled. My original CEAT tire was wore out with about the same milage. I'm currently running a Dunlop Tourmax Mission with 12,000 miles on it. Hoping to get a few thousand more miles too. Wahoo!
I have a '22 with a bit of a stalling problem. It's fine after warming up. Dealer says also that an update of the ECU will likely help or "cure" the issue. Thanks for sharing! Makes me look forward to the ECU update/relflash!
My dealer states that he can also reflash the ECU in-house. Nice to know. I am going to do the 300-mile service first, install an iridium plug, bump up the idle by 100 rpms, and check the throttle position sensor first. I spend 5 minutes warming up before starting off, but the bike will stall 3 to 5 times during that process, even with the "choke" completely pulled forward. Quite a difference from my 2008 Sportster 1200 that fires up and idles smoothly every start!
@MichaelWhite-cx4ho I'd wait on adjusting idle because you'll need to do it again after the flash. I should say, you'll have to put it back after the flash. I had bumped mine up considerably and then had to back it way off afterwards.
Thank you, Sir! I wish I spent more time like you just riding my '22 Himi! I love it so far! Just hit the 300-mile mark, so it's time to check the valve adjustment, do the first oil change, etc. I will be adding a Delkevic exhaust WITH SILENCER, iridium plug, upping the idle from 1100 to 1200, and checking the TPS. I changed the stock brake pads to sintered and love the improved braking. A very inexpensive "fix" to something that some reviewers mention. I just purchased some army green, waterproof, 50 caliber ammo cans from Harbor Freight to attach to a set of inexpensive Rearace(?) pannier racks for my Pine Green Himi. They should help to provide some protection if and when I drop the bike. I also adjusted the shift lever up about an inch to make it easier to slide a workboot toe underneath for shifting, and I plan the adjust the rear brake lever up a bit because it has quite a bit of downward play before biting. There are a ton of aftermarket parts. I have ordered some quality stuff from India via eBay that arrived very well packaged, very quickly. I have found the stock, 50/50 CEAT tires to be great on and off road. I wish they were still using the Pirelli tires just for the snob factor! The bike feels very planted as the weight is very low. It corners at 45 degrees and grips well! The seat padding and surface material was supposedly "upgraded" beginning with the '22, and feels good so far. The new covering supposedly has more grip to prevent unwanted sliding. I like it! Thank you again for taking us along on your beautiful rides! I love the bike also, especially the tractor factor! The Himi pulls great and has great engine braking! IMO, a bargain at 5 grand!
@Forgotten Motorcycles I agree! The whole is definitely more than the sum of its parts! I wish I could leave everything behind and ride for some worthwhile purpose, such as a national park or reservation patrol! How cool would that be?! Like Jack Kerouac's stint as a fire lookout in the middle of nowhere, only wonderfully mobile! Peace to you, and I love the "WAHOO" since first hearing it in one of your videos!
Wow you were lucky. Only 5 minor problems and a dealer who fixed the stalling issue. I have 8,500 miles on my 2021 Himmy and since day one like most owners have been struggling with the stalling issue. My dealer lied and said it was a crimped hose on the first try, and on my way out of their store it stalled. They tried playing with the mapping and made it worse by making the idle wander between 1200 and 1800 rpm. But the stalling issue remains strong. It caused me to drop the bike 4 times when going through mud and maneuvering through traffic. I have tried every suggestion on line to no avail. Most of the Himmy owners would love to know exactly what your dealership did to fix the problem. When the engine cuts out in gear, the bike just stops and nearly throws you over the handlbars, so I learned to slip the clutch and rev the engine when turning and maneuvering at low speeds. At 800 miles my speedometer vibrated most of the internal screws loose by breaking the plastic. At 900 miles the rear swing arm began squealing on bumps and eventually locked up. It is from over tightening during assembly. RE threw some grease on it and it is better but not perfect. At 3,000 (mostly street) miles my steering head bearings went out and the bike only wanted to go straight. I upgraded them to Timken 20305 roller bearings. With a 32" inseam I found the seat extremely uncomfortable as it was too soft and slid me down into the tank where my knees would hit the tank cutouts and the bars. My wife who is a small 112lbs, says her seat is too soft and extremely uncomfortable. Beyond all the problems, we both love the bike. It is a great design with poor execution and service.
Amazing list of problems. I personally have many friends with Himalayans and none of them have had any serious problems. Also, feel very fortunate to have a dealer that addresses issues effectively. Hope things get better, as you say, it's a great bike. PS I upgraded to the tall/firm Seat Concepts seat and love it. Over 19,000 miles on my Himalayan and going strong. Let me know what happens. Wahoo!
@@forgottenmotorcycles Thanks, the only problem with the tall seat for me is the stock windshield becomes useless and getting the parts you want down here in SA is often tricky and expensive. You can pretty much guarantee a $40 shipping added to the cost from the US and returns become even more expensive. For those reasons I am thinking of just having a local shop make a copy of the standard seat concepts seat. The new seat will cost about $15 US and they are very well done. The list of problems was only a partial list. I think I have had every problem that I have seen listed on CZcams. And by the dealer's responses these are pretty common problems. Most I has fixed myself. This morning I just adjusted the clutch play and shifter to try to fix the hard shifting that began a couple weeks ago, and it does seem easier. Thank God for the CZcamsr from India, On Two Wheels Ben. You creators really can be a blessing to corporations and the people that buy their products. I thank you for your efforts.
I put on 500 miles in one day with a velorex sidecar attached to a bone stock Himmy.A great bike for it if it had more power.Gonna try it again with high flow cleaner pipes and Hitchcock's cam. I think the bike is comfy to tour all day.
I have a lot of miles on mine. I run it about 65-70 mph. It's been off roaded a lot. Not much ground clearance 😕. I did the Idaho and Nevada BDR. And burned hardly no oil. It's been a very good motorcycle.
Would love to run the BDR or TAT on this. Friend of mine did part of the TAT and did well. Her Himalayan had 28,000 miles on it at the time. Great bike!
#1 My first new motorbike, a 1980 GS450S needed a couple of minutes to warm up, particularly in winter (even in FLA). If I got hasty, it was a problem the first few miles to campus. #2 It's a thumper. Things need to be tightened, particularly aftermarket additions. Bad bulb? #3 Seat comfort is subjective and they're easily re-foamed. #4 Very uncommon. First time I've heard of this. #5 It's a thumper. It's air-cooled. If it's not leaking, it's not a problem. Checking the oil is normal. It's a simple old-school engine, no different than the motorbikes I rode when I first started riding in the late 70s. "Sigh..."
I fixed the stalling on my one by removing the evap and adjusting the TPS. Idles at 1100 when warm, and only needs feathering on the throttle for 30 seconds if its below freezing. Never use the fast idle lever Iridium plug made a big difference to my 2021 Touring seat plus a el cheapo ali ex...ress cover worked for my bigger than average bum.. Apart from the routine maintenance and checking tappets every oil change I've done nothing to my one apart from tyres. No vibration apart from the usual big single buzzing at high revs. Take the bar weights off however and its damn uncomfortable. 12,000 miles on mine.
My only gripe is the standard battery suffers parasitic draw, I installed a battery for a 900cc bike had to fit it on its side and ziptie the side cover on for it to fit. The other thing is the stand is useless on anything other than flat concrete which is weird for an adventure bike, other than that it's a great value bike..
Yes, that dang Parasitic draw is an issue. I keep mine plugged in if she sits for over a week. Still has the original battery at 25,000 mile and 2.5 years. Not sure what they were think'n with that kickstand. I've installed a very large Bigfoot...foot. Wahoo!
I got a 2021 new and had all the same issues. A Booster plug fixed the stalling issue. Hoping new tires this spring will help with vibrations 5000 miles on stock tires and the front is cupped pretty good. The factory premium seat helped. Leg room isn't great think that seat concept seat would help. I also had a fuel leak from the bottom of my tank lol. Haven't noticed any oil usage yet. All and I still love it it's the perfect bike for me.
I do think the seat concept seat helped legroom a lot. Really like the perch. My fuel tank leaked about where it bolted to the bike at the back. They are fun bikes :-)
R.E have grease in the relays that causes starting problems & stalling problems & the R.E relays are crap & replacement one's like ligit Bosch or Relays from Hitchcocks are twice the current.Should be first mod you should do on theses R.E bikes & will improve fuel pump efficiency replacing the fuel pump relay too. You can buy a 5 pack from Hitchcocks & Himmy has 4 relays.
TEC & Hitchcocks do some nice seats but not cheap but have several to choose from lower & higher & firmer etc. Sahara Seats in India also do seats & seat covers that can be customized with thickness of foam & gel pad & water proof etc.
Check out Hitchcocks in UK they got everything for Himmy & other Royal Enfield's. Air injection delete kits.Mufflers,seats,relays,fork upgrade everything really.
A cam upgrade is easy to do in these bikes & give you a extra 4-5hp & improve top end without compromising bottom end to much & you guessed it Hitchcocks again has the cam.Cam swap is cheap & easy to do on the Himmy.Himmy is all about tourqe & the tourqe delivery is excellent 👌👍 which makes them fun.
Have been in contact with Hitcocks. Based near where a lot of my family are from. Someone told me the cam upgrade was the one to do. A himalayan with a bit extra oompf sounds good..or I fancy the lighter Scram with the better seat.
I think a DR650 could be made to work for someone, with some of the mods you have done plus a couple other mods that are well known. DR 650 can rip 70 mph all day too. Also very easy to lower it. There is not one piece of a DR650 that has no available aftermarket upgrade if you wish.
After 16,500 miles on my Himalayan and needing more freeway capability, I got a Dr650 and have put 32,000 miles on it in 11 months. I miss the little tractor but there is nothing that the DR does not do better than the Himalayan.
I enjoyed your video. I live in Guthrie Center, so I was surprised to hear you say you were riding in Guthrie County. I'm actually picking up a Himalayan tomorrow from Baxter Cycle. Thanks for the video!
Hot dang, I'll be backers tomorrow afternoon on my Himalayan. Make sure you tell them you watch the videos. They like that. What color hemi did you get? Hope to see you there. Maybe you can tell me about some good roads in Guthrie county?
The multifarious reviews on YT highlighting the short-comings of the Royal Enfield 411 Himalayan seem to be so nit-picking! And this is no exception. The stalling was an issue, but Enfield got that sorted for you. All motor vehicles have their problems; I won't mention German or Italian brands. But the latter two are crazily expensive to fix! Anyone who has ridden a 411 Himmy becomes a lifelong fan; Yes, it's under-powered on the motorway ('highway', if you must), but it's powerful enough for everyday use. Commuting or having a bit of fun exploring off-road, the Himmy is ideal. My youngest son and his significant other took their Himalayans through thirty-five countries in Europe last year. That's 15,000 miles in four months. Thay did their own servicing and tyre changes on the way. The only mechanical issue was one of the bikes having a broken pannier frame, which was quickly welded up by a local mechanic. Himalayan 411, a future classic! The 450 looks a bit too mainstream for me. Himmy 411, great bike, enough said. Love and peace.
My 2021 Himalayan had a bad stalling problem. It was at the dealer 10 weeks and they kept trying to figure it out. They finally swapped out the throttle body and injector and it no longer stalls. They replaced the instrument cluster because something had broken loose. My bike now has 1100 fewer miles on the clock. The seat is too firm for my skinny butt. It is a good looking bike but I may switch to a Meteor or Interceptor. The engine in the Meteor felt more refined. I just can’t make up my mind.
@@forgottenmotorcycles you are fortunate to have Baxter Cycle nearby. My story may have been different with them servicing the Himalayan. Ride safe and watch out for deer.
UK biker here. Love my 2019 Himalayan so much I've bought an additional RE, namely the Meteor, which has a calmer and more refined engine. Both models are really great bikes.
@@TheBezaleel I test rode a Meteor Classic recently and liked it more than the Himalayan. I’ll test ride the Interceptor and hope that I can finally make a decision. My wife has been very patient.
To bad you can't use one of the plexiStar 2 windshields from National Cycle. Those work great for most naked bikes. Owned 3 of those windshields..👍 Good discussion.
My 21 stalled in traffic so often I started Stalling Himalayans in Traffic. Mine runs fine after I used electronic cleaner to flush the dielectric grease out of the fuel pump relay socket.
Great video. I knew you were in the Midwest when I saw Casey's 😊. I love that pizza. I am from M.N. at the Iowa border. I have had my Himalayan now for a couple months. Great info.
I have a 2022 Himalayan and i like it What i don't like is the dealer network and parts availability. The dealer I got it from is Eurocycle in Windsor ca They suck and treat there customers like shit! You are lucky you got a good dealer Thankfully there is you tube for solving problems. I love the bike and the finish but messing with the direction finder is beyond me and the owners manual is hard to understand!
Love the Himalayan and yes, Baxter Cycle too. As far as that direction finder goes, I'm assuming you mean the nav that works with a phone. Have only used that twice, my Himalayan doesn't have it, and did have good luck with it. How many miles have you got on your Himalayan? Thanks!
I concur with your sentiment about the tripper nav system. I tried using the tripper several times but google maps kept putting me on roads I did not want to take. I bought a phone mount and am going to plot my route using a cell phone. The compass is a waste of space even if it actually worked. I suppose some 2022 owners may like these features and I admit that they were the deciding factor between the Himi and the Scram.
@@robertgodwin830 I don't really know what it does. It's about $130 and plugs into the bike and it's supposed to help with a stalling problem and give the bike better low-end performance. I think it can only be installed on 2021 and older versions of the Himalayan
@@robertgodwin830 its an ecu mod that plugs between the airbox and temp sensor relocating the temp sensor to the front of the bike. This allows the bike to run richer on acceleration and at idle. Its an alternitive to a ecu piggyback or reflash. It doesnt work on bs5 or 2022+ bikes.
Nothing to moan about really apart frm the fuel tank! My wifes Yamaha Tricity has had huge stalling problems, cutting out and engine warning light coming on at least once every 6 week. The dealer cannot find any problems!! Looking at getting rid of it for a Royal Enfield.
Actually, they did tell me what they did the bike. It was just above my level of understanding. Basically a bunch of electronic adjustments to sensors and things like that. I think there's actually a couple different things that caused the spelling problem with these bikes. In my case they were able to solve it with adjustments. Maybe I'll talk to them see if I can make a list and make a video about this problem. Thanks
For the back road riding you like, a KLR650 Kawasaki would have been much better engine and quality (Japanese made) than a Royal Enfield, but everyone has their likes and dislikes I guess. I would have no problem on most of those rock roads with my 2007 Hondas Sabre VT1100, much like LaSombra…..
The bike is fuel injected, no carburetor. Problem was a little more than raising the idle. Have not had any issues since the dealer took care of it. Love this bike.
Am looking at getting one or the scram! The scram is more tempting as weighs 15kg less, although does that make a big diff? Just thinking for the trips with tent etc less is better esp up hills. P.s I should be filming it all just need to get a channel name sorted etc n get cracking.
I don't think you could go wrong with either bike. My thoughts are if you're going to be more off-road get the standard land if you're going to be more on road biased get the scram. The scram does feel like it performs better. It has noticeably lighter handling on Pavement and feels like it has more power. Wahoo!
Dang! You know, these are very simple to maintain....maybe do it yourself? Baxtercycle.com does ship these wonderful motorcycles to most places US. Wahoo!
Warning Royal enfield in India is NOT sending replacement parts to America. So your "warranty " is not worth the paper its printed on. Im having serious buyers remorse.
Interesting. Have not heard of this yet. I've had two warranty issues in the 19 months, 1st was solved on sight in minutes 2nd within a few days...time it took to get the part. Hoping for the best.
Fondest Greetings to my American cousins from here in Ozstralia where we like to complain about our roads--BUT: Is it just my viewing an unrepresentative sample of videos, OR; Are a horrifying proportion of US urban roads a cracked and crumbling mess?
@@Scale_Slotcars_Latvia yeah heard & well known bout the gen 1 & gen 2 on frame cracking it's also so bad there's an aftermarket solution to fix it, the gen 3 supposedly doesn't have that issue but still too new to make claims
My 2022 stalled constantly, in traffic, at intersections when I pulled in clutch...so dangerous. 4 trips to 2 different dealers. Fixed for a couple days , then back to stalling.
Was ready to make them take it back.
2nd dealer contacted factory, they had dlr.ship ecm back to factory for reprogramming...
It's run perfectly since then ! Totally different bike :)
Now I love it again !!!
Yes, that stalling problem. I lived with it because is wasn't that bad and I didn't want to give up the bike. Finally took it in and the dealer, Baxter Cycle, rolled it right into the shop and worked on it, twice. First time they almost cleared it up, second time the problem was gone. Love this bike!
I bought my 2022 Lake Blue Himi last september and have done about 4000 kms with her and it's been all fun. I can't explain exactly why I love her so much but she fits my needs and wants perfectly and often I find myself just patting the tank as I've done a series of bends.
2.7 ltrs/100 kms consumption means I can go out for the day without worrying about the cost of fuel.
Just love this bike...
It's hard to quantify what makes Himalayan so much fun. Totally get what you mean though. And every cost on this motorcycle is low with a very high return on fun :-) wahoo!
I have to agree just turned 3800 miles on my hymalyan and thats exactly how i feel. If i need more speed i just get on my sportser 🎉
Enjoyable video and pleased to hear you enjoy the Himalayan. I have had mine here in Thailand for almost 2 years. The only time I had a stalling problem was after my 30k Km service. On the ride back home (400Km) bike would stall at every traffic light and slow corner / turn. Got the bike home to find the exhaust valve gap had been set wrong at the service. Reset the gap and once again bike runs great. Easy to start and no stalling. I have no problem with vibration, seat or oil usage despite running it fairly hard on some trips. Problem with the windscreen is finding replacements for the RE well nuts they use to fix the windscreen. For me it's a great bike that I love to ride.
They are great motorcycles. I had the well nut problem too with the replacement windshield I installed. Ended up replacing the hardware with nuts and bolts. Great motorcycle :-)
It's a cool bike. In the same way, vinyl is cool, bamboo fly rods, walnut stocked rifles. There's a special quality to it. I think the 450 may have come too soon. The air-cooled 411 is often all that needed with a touch of panache.
It does have a style all its own, doesn't it?
@@forgottenmotorcycles How much oil do you go through between changes? I use Motul for all my bikes at this point, any recommendations?
@@briancrn113 I use Motul 7100 15-50. I think I burn maybe 1/10 or 2/10 of a lliter between oil changes. When I change the oil it's at the top line, when I add oil it's at the bottom line. It's been very consistent overtime.
with an improved cam i think thats the panache it needed 20% more power on the top end took it from "it CAN do highway speeds but maxxed out" to "its comfortable keeping up with highway speeds with room for passability" and really that was about the only downside of it no need for the 450 just improve the camshaft from OEM instead of aftermarket cheaper than building around a differet motor and makes an already great bike better which is true royal enfield fashion
@@MrAwesomal Am really struggling with the idea of getting a cam for my Himi. Should have a vid out later this week about that. If I cam the bike up would it handle higher gearing for the highway, that is the question.
I enjoyed the video and have bookmarked the problems you identified in my head. So far I've had none of the problems but I only have a smidge over 1100 miles on my 2022 Himalayan. Like you say, the Himmy is fun.
And I've been thoroughly enjoying the bike and it's great on the dirt and gravel mountain roads here.
Himalayans are a great platform :-) truly enjoy your videos very cinematic and thought out. Thank you for that :-)
@@forgottenmotorcycles I enjoy making videos. And the Himalayan has opened up new landscapes to ride!
All bikes have and can develop problems over their life time.
2200 miles on my 2023 Scram 411 with zero issues. I had a used 2021 Himalayan which was fine but the 2023 is MUCH smoother somehow, one of the smoothest bikes I ever had,
Both bikes did not stall or use any oil. Both bikes were broken in hard, the 2023 Scram I rode hard from the first and it does not use a drop of oil. The used Himalayan was the same, it was well battered when I got it at 800 miles so I suspect it had a hard break in.
Royal Enfield seems to keep improving the bikes every year unlike most other brands.
Every year and every model the RE brand improves. Love these motorcycles. Wahoo!
Love this honest review. Very helpful indeed. I come from riding a 906 Ducati, and a KZ 900 Kawasaki. Teo completely different bikes. I thought that now I wanted a completely different style of a bike. Looked at many. Basically something that weighed very little, great on gas mileage, not a lot of power needed. Something that I could cruise with, travel a bit on it, enjoy the scenery, be able to do roads, highways, and some gravel...
I was surprised with the Zontes Scrambler 125, comes with quite a bit of extras for the price. Decided to purchase it and been riding it here in Europe where I now live... It's really enjoyable actually. Only thing is if it had 5-10 more horse power it would be tops!!!
Then I started seeing these Royal Enfield bikes. Gosh I absolutely love the Classic reborn 350, and this Himalayan. Again, two different bikes. But love the sound of these bikes! Heard some good things on them to. The single cylinders using a tad more oil is to be expected, so no problem there. And the power is not a problem for me the Himalayan has enough! 24 horse power is way enough. I have my eye on these two bikes now, will see...
Thx again!
I've really enjoyed my Himalayan, put 145 miles on her today. Have several faster, more powerful bikes but this Himalayan is the one that gets all the miles. Have over 16,000 miles on her and hope to double that this year. Love the Himalayan. Wahoo!
For those of you not into the narrative, #1. Stalling, #2. Vibration, #3 Seat, #4 Evap Sys & Tank Leak. #5. Oil Usage.
I think that's that about covers it. At 26 almost 27,000 mi on this motorcycle now. Is my favorite motorcycles of all time.
This comment should be pinned. lol
@@sergeantc6122 closing in on 29,000 mi now 🙂 just got back from Colorado
Nice ride, I just bought a 250 single for dirt roads and singletrack. The only difference you will notice with an Iridium plug, is you will never need to adjust or replace it, they dont promise anything more.
You are right about that Iridium plug. For the extra $2 it cost it was well worth it. Wahoo!
I put Dunlop D606 knobbies on mine , thing is a beast off road.
It will go anywhere .
Just don't bury it in the mud ...
Kinda heavy. If I go offroad I take a friend lol....a strong one...
It's a heavy bike...says anyone that's had to push it out of the mud or sticks...I have and you are right, it's heavy!
Im hoping to pick mine up this week! Really appreciate all the videos on this Bike
Love this motorcycle...have about 29,000 miles on it now. Wahoo!
@@forgottenmotorcycles I picked it up!!! It is a very fun motorcycle. Still breaking it in.
@@Manimal805 absolutely love these Great motorcycle! Congratulations!
I'm sorry but there's too much waffling, get to the point. You could've covered this in 5-10 mins tops.
I'm a rambler...
Its ADHD 100%
Thanks cobba for the tour of your backyard and review beers 🍻 up
Any time!
Guthrie County! My grandparents lived on Diamondhead Lake for many years. Great memories
Very cool!
My 2023 has never stalled at idle in five months. I know they've changed the throttle body and ecu in this iteration and it seems to have solved that.
I think you are right about that. Wahoo!
My himalayan also had the stalling issue straight off the lot. Took it back and they adjusted the idle up a bit, apparently it's a pretty common issue. Runs like a champ now
Yes, absolutely great bike even better when the stalling problems fixed :-)
Mine’s a 2023 and hasn’t really had any idling/stalling issues, even in very cold (high 30s Fahrenheit) weather. It idles at about 1500 usually, I wonder if that’s just my dealer or if RE changed the standard idle speed after all of the complaints about it?
@@MotorcycleWrites That does not seem too high to me. I'd ask the dealer though.
I have a 22. It had the stalling issue. The dealer was able to flash the program in the ECU and I haven't had a problem since.
4300 miles now and I need a new rear tire.
Great that the stalling issue was handled. My original CEAT tire was wore out with about the same milage. I'm currently running a Dunlop Tourmax Mission with 12,000 miles on it. Hoping to get a few thousand more miles too. Wahoo!
I have a '22 with a bit of a stalling problem. It's fine after warming up. Dealer says also that an update of the ECU will likely help or "cure" the issue. Thanks for sharing! Makes me look forward to the ECU update/relflash!
@Forgotten Motorcycles Thanks for the tip about the Dunlap Tourmax Mission tires! Sound like a winner!
My dealer states that he can also reflash the ECU in-house. Nice to know. I am going to do the 300-mile service first, install an iridium plug, bump up the idle by 100 rpms, and check the throttle position sensor first. I spend 5 minutes warming up before starting off, but the bike will stall 3 to 5 times during that process, even with the "choke" completely pulled forward. Quite a difference from my 2008 Sportster 1200 that fires up and idles smoothly every start!
@MichaelWhite-cx4ho I'd wait on adjusting idle because you'll need to do it again after the flash. I should say, you'll have to put it back after the flash. I had bumped mine up considerably and then had to back it way off afterwards.
Thank you, Sir! I wish I spent more time like you just riding my '22 Himi! I love it so far! Just hit the 300-mile mark, so it's time to check the valve adjustment, do the first oil change, etc. I will be adding a Delkevic exhaust WITH SILENCER, iridium plug, upping the idle from 1100 to 1200, and checking the TPS. I changed the stock brake pads to sintered and love the improved braking. A very inexpensive "fix" to something that some reviewers mention. I just purchased some army green, waterproof, 50 caliber ammo cans from Harbor Freight to attach to a set of inexpensive Rearace(?) pannier racks for my Pine Green Himi. They should help to provide some protection if and when I drop the bike. I also adjusted the shift lever up about an inch to make it easier to slide a workboot toe underneath for shifting, and I plan the adjust the rear brake lever up a bit because it has quite a bit of downward play before biting. There are a ton of aftermarket parts. I have ordered some quality stuff from India via eBay that arrived very well packaged, very quickly. I have found the stock, 50/50 CEAT tires to be great on and off road. I wish they were still using the Pirelli tires just for the snob factor! The bike feels very planted as the weight is very low. It corners at 45 degrees and grips well! The seat padding and surface material was supposedly "upgraded" beginning with the '22, and feels good so far. The new covering supposedly has more grip to prevent unwanted sliding. I like it! Thank you again for taking us along on your beautiful rides! I love the bike also, especially the tractor factor! The Himi pulls great and has great engine braking! IMO, a bargain at 5 grand!
You sound like you're enjoying your himi very much. Absolutely love these motorcycles. Wahoo!
@Forgotten Motorcycles I agree! The whole is definitely more than the sum of its parts! I wish I could leave everything behind and ride for some worthwhile purpose, such as a national park or reservation patrol! How cool would that be?! Like Jack Kerouac's stint as a fire lookout in the middle of nowhere, only wonderfully mobile! Peace to you, and I love the "WAHOO" since first hearing it in one of your videos!
@@MichaelWhite-cx4ho we had Adair delkevic exhaust my brother's klr today
@Forgotten Motorcycles How do you like it? They look great!
@@MichaelWhite-cx4ho will make a video
Wow you were lucky. Only 5 minor problems and a dealer who fixed the stalling issue. I have 8,500 miles on my 2021 Himmy and since day one like most owners have been struggling with the stalling issue. My dealer lied and said it was a crimped hose on the first try, and on my way out of their store it stalled. They tried playing with the mapping and made it worse by making the idle wander between 1200 and 1800 rpm. But the stalling issue remains strong. It caused me to drop the bike 4 times when going through mud and maneuvering through traffic. I have tried every suggestion on line to no avail. Most of the Himmy owners would love to know exactly what your dealership did to fix the problem. When the engine cuts out in gear, the bike just stops and nearly throws you over the handlbars, so I learned to slip the clutch and rev the engine when turning and maneuvering at low speeds. At 800 miles my speedometer vibrated most of the internal screws loose by breaking the plastic. At 900 miles the rear swing arm began squealing on bumps and eventually locked up. It is from over tightening during assembly. RE threw some grease on it and it is better but not perfect. At 3,000 (mostly street) miles my steering head bearings went out and the bike only wanted to go straight. I upgraded them to Timken 20305 roller bearings. With a 32" inseam I found the seat extremely uncomfortable as it was too soft and slid me down into the tank where my knees would hit the tank cutouts and the bars. My wife who is a small 112lbs, says her seat is too soft and extremely uncomfortable. Beyond all the problems, we both love the bike. It is a great design with poor execution and service.
Amazing list of problems. I personally have many friends with Himalayans and none of them have had any serious problems. Also, feel very fortunate to have a dealer that addresses issues effectively. Hope things get better, as you say, it's a great bike. PS I upgraded to the tall/firm Seat Concepts seat and love it. Over 19,000 miles on my Himalayan and going strong. Let me know what happens. Wahoo!
@@forgottenmotorcycles Thanks, the only problem with the tall seat for me is the stock windshield becomes useless and getting the parts you want down here in SA is often tricky and expensive. You can pretty much guarantee a $40 shipping added to the cost from the US and returns become even more expensive. For those reasons I am thinking of just having a local shop make a copy of the standard seat concepts seat. The new seat will cost about $15 US and they are very well done. The list of problems was only a partial list. I think I have had every problem that I have seen listed on CZcams. And by the dealer's responses these are pretty common problems. Most I has fixed myself. This morning I just adjusted the clutch play and shifter to try to fix the hard shifting that began a couple weeks ago, and it does seem easier. Thank God for the CZcamsr from India, On Two Wheels Ben. You creators really can be a blessing to corporations and the people that buy their products. I thank you for your efforts.
@@forgottenmotorcyclesBaxter Cycle Marne > any other Baxter cycle
Marne is the best!!!💪💪💪
I put on 500 miles in one day with a velorex sidecar attached to a bone stock Himmy.A great bike for it if it had more power.Gonna try it again with high flow cleaner pipes and Hitchcock's cam. I think the bike is comfy to tour all day.
Hot dang. Love to hear more about this. Keep us updated!
I have a lot of miles on mine. I run it about 65-70 mph. It's been off roaded a lot. Not much ground clearance 😕. I did the Idaho and Nevada BDR. And burned hardly no oil. It's been a very good motorcycle.
Would love to run the BDR or TAT on this. Friend of mine did part of the TAT and did well. Her Himalayan had 28,000 miles on it at the time. Great bike!
#1 My first new motorbike, a 1980 GS450S needed a couple of minutes to warm up, particularly in winter (even in FLA). If I got hasty, it was a problem the first few miles to campus.
#2 It's a thumper. Things need to be tightened, particularly aftermarket additions. Bad bulb?
#3 Seat comfort is subjective and they're easily re-foamed.
#4 Very uncommon. First time I've heard of this.
#5 It's a thumper. It's air-cooled. If it's not leaking, it's not a problem. Checking the oil is normal. It's a simple old-school engine, no different than the motorbikes I rode when I first started riding in the late 70s.
"Sigh..."
It's a heck of a motorcycle
I fixed the stalling on my one by removing the evap and adjusting the TPS. Idles at 1100 when warm, and only needs feathering on the throttle for 30 seconds if its below freezing. Never use the fast idle lever
Iridium plug made a big difference to my 2021
Touring seat plus a el cheapo ali ex...ress cover worked for my bigger than average bum..
Apart from the routine maintenance and checking tappets every oil change I've done nothing to my one apart from tyres.
No vibration apart from the usual big single buzzing at high revs. Take the bar weights off however and its damn uncomfortable.
12,000 miles on mine.
Sounds like you've had a great experience with your Himalayan as well!
Other than the stalling issue and tank issue, nothing I’d complain too much about. 👍
Thanks
I love these rides of the week!
Me too. Will try to do more when the weather allows. Love that Himalayan. Wahoo!
when i first got mine, 60mph was pushing it, i got 80 + mpg, Now Im Getting 60ish. but now im riding at 80 mph all day 5000 miles so far!!!
They are great bikes :-)
My only gripe is the standard battery suffers parasitic draw, I installed a battery for a 900cc bike had to fit it on its side and ziptie the side cover on for it to fit. The other thing is the stand is useless on anything other than flat concrete which is weird for an adventure bike, other than that it's a great value bike..
Yes, that dang Parasitic draw is an issue. I keep mine plugged in if she sits for over a week. Still has the original battery at 25,000 mile and 2.5 years. Not sure what they were think'n with that kickstand. I've installed a very large Bigfoot...foot. Wahoo!
I got a 2021 new and had all the same issues.
A Booster plug fixed the stalling issue. Hoping new tires this spring will help with vibrations 5000 miles on stock tires and the front is cupped pretty good. The factory premium seat helped. Leg room isn't great think that seat concept seat would help. I also had a fuel leak from the bottom of my tank lol. Haven't noticed any oil usage yet. All and I still love it it's the perfect bike for me.
I do think the seat concept seat helped legroom a lot. Really like the perch. My fuel tank leaked about where it bolted to the bike at the back. They are fun bikes :-)
R.E have grease in the relays that causes starting problems & stalling problems & the R.E relays are crap & replacement one's like ligit Bosch or Relays from Hitchcocks are twice the current.Should be first mod you should do on theses R.E bikes & will improve fuel pump efficiency replacing the fuel pump relay too.
You can buy a 5 pack from Hitchcocks & Himmy has 4 relays.
TEC & Hitchcocks do some nice seats but not cheap but have several to choose from lower & higher & firmer etc.
Sahara Seats in India also do seats & seat covers that can be customized with thickness of foam & gel pad & water proof etc.
Check out Hitchcocks in UK they got everything for Himmy & other Royal Enfield's.
Air injection delete kits.Mufflers,seats,relays,fork upgrade everything really.
A cam upgrade is easy to do in these bikes & give you a extra 4-5hp & improve top end without compromising bottom end to much & you guessed it Hitchcocks again has the cam.Cam swap is cheap & easy to do on the Himmy.Himmy is all about tourqe & the tourqe delivery is excellent 👌👍 which makes them fun.
Love these bikes. So much you can do to them and with them :-)
Have been in contact with Hitcocks. Based near where a lot of my family are from.
Someone told me the cam upgrade was the one to do.
A himalayan with a bit extra oompf sounds good..or I fancy the lighter Scram with the better seat.
I think a DR650 could be made to work for someone, with some of the mods you have done plus a couple other mods that are well known. DR 650 can rip 70 mph all day too. Also very easy to lower it. There is not one piece of a DR650 that has no available aftermarket upgrade if you wish.
The DR650 is a legendary motorcycle that can do so much. Love that bike. Wahoo!
After 16,500 miles on my Himalayan and needing more freeway capability, I got a Dr650 and have put 32,000 miles on it in 11 months. I miss the little tractor but there is nothing that the DR does not do better than the Himalayan.
10 thousand care free miles on my himmy, ( MR. Burns.) Love him.xxxxxx
they are wonderful machines. I'm between 19k & 20k today. Love riding this one. Wahoo!
I enjoyed your video. I live in Guthrie Center, so I was surprised to hear you say you were riding in Guthrie County. I'm actually picking up a Himalayan tomorrow from Baxter Cycle. Thanks for the video!
Hot dang, I'll be backers tomorrow afternoon on my Himalayan. Make sure you tell them you watch the videos. They like that. What color hemi did you get? Hope to see you there. Maybe you can tell me about some good roads in Guthrie county?
@@forgottenmotorcycles I’ll be there around noon. I got the “gravel gray” version with black RE aluminum panniers. See ya soon!!
@@mitchf8977 congratulations on your new bike! You're going to love it. I'll probably be there between 1 and 2. Hope to see you there :-)
Pirelli makes some good street/dirt road tires for the cruisers that ride a lot on dirt and rock roads
Have a friend with the pirellis on his Himalayan. He just loves them
The multifarious reviews on YT highlighting the short-comings of the Royal Enfield 411 Himalayan seem to be so nit-picking! And this is no exception. The stalling was an issue, but Enfield got that sorted for you. All motor vehicles have their problems; I won't mention German or Italian brands. But the latter two are crazily expensive to fix!
Anyone who has ridden a 411 Himmy becomes a lifelong fan; Yes, it's under-powered on the motorway ('highway', if you must), but it's powerful enough for everyday use. Commuting or having a bit of fun exploring off-road, the Himmy is ideal.
My youngest son and his significant other took their Himalayans through thirty-five countries in Europe last year. That's 15,000 miles in four months. Thay did their own servicing and tyre changes on the way. The only mechanical issue was one of the bikes having a broken pannier frame, which was quickly welded up by a local mechanic.
Himalayan 411, a future classic! The 450 looks a bit too mainstream for me. Himmy 411, great bike, enough said. Love and peace.
WAHOO
My 2021 Himalayan had a bad stalling problem. It was at the dealer 10 weeks and they kept trying to figure it out. They finally swapped out the throttle body and injector and it no longer stalls. They replaced the instrument cluster because something had broken loose. My bike now has 1100 fewer miles on the clock. The seat is too firm for my skinny butt. It is a good looking bike but I may switch to a Meteor or Interceptor. The engine in the Meteor felt more refined. I just can’t make up my mind.
Dang, that is a tough story to hear. I've been very lucky with my bike and love it. Let me know what you end up doing.
@@forgottenmotorcycles you are fortunate to have Baxter Cycle nearby. My story may have been different with them servicing the Himalayan. Ride safe and watch out for deer.
@@jeffreyhurst9552 I believe Baxter's does take very good care of their customers. Curse those deer LOL!
UK biker here. Love my 2019 Himalayan so much I've bought an additional RE, namely the Meteor, which has a calmer and more refined engine. Both models are really great bikes.
@@TheBezaleel I test rode a Meteor Classic recently and liked it more than the Himalayan. I’ll test ride the Interceptor and hope that I can finally make a decision. My wife has been very patient.
Im thinking of buying a ised one from 2020. Do you the build quality from that year is different than this 2023 model?
I'm thinking the older ones will be as dependable. However, it seems like the newer the Himalayan is the smoother it runs.
To bad you can't use one of the plexiStar 2 windshields from National Cycle. Those work great for most naked bikes. Owned 3 of those windshields..👍 Good discussion.
Will look at those. Thanks!
Entertaining video! Good information for anyone wanting a Royal Enfield Himalayan.😎
It's been a fun motorcycle. Hoping to get another 15,000 on it this year.
A Citroen 2cv has 29 hp! And carries 4 people. You can have loads of fun with little power!😊
This is my favorite motorcycle. Wahoo!
My 21 stalled in traffic so often I started Stalling Himalayans in Traffic. Mine runs fine after I used electronic cleaner to flush the dielectric grease out of the fuel pump relay socket.
I'm not sure what they did to mine but the dealer was able to fix the stalling. She works great...now!
Great video. I knew you were in the Midwest when I saw Casey's 😊. I love that pizza.
I am from M.N. at the Iowa border.
I have had my Himalayan now for a couple months. Great info.
Love the Himalayan and Casey's pizza! Just subscribed to your channel. Wahoo!
I have a 2022 Himalayan and i like it What i don't like is the dealer network and parts availability. The dealer I got it from is Eurocycle in Windsor ca They suck and treat there customers like shit!
You are lucky you got a good dealer Thankfully there is you tube for solving problems. I love the bike and the finish but messing with the direction finder is beyond me and the owners manual is hard to understand!
Love the Himalayan and yes, Baxter Cycle too. As far as that direction finder goes, I'm assuming you mean the nav that works with a phone. Have only used that twice, my Himalayan doesn't have it, and did have good luck with it. How many miles have you got on your Himalayan? Thanks!
I concur with your sentiment about the tripper nav system. I tried using the tripper several times but google maps kept putting me on roads I did not want to take. I bought a phone mount and am going to plot my route using a cell phone. The compass is a waste of space even if it actually worked. I suppose some 2022 owners may like these features and I admit that they were the deciding factor between the Himi and the Scram.
Booster plug took care of the stalling completely on my 2021.
If the problem would have persisted I would have gotten the booster plug
What is a booster plug?
Thanks
@@robertgodwin830 I don't really know what it does. It's about $130 and plugs into the bike and it's supposed to help with a stalling problem and give the bike better low-end performance. I think it can only be installed on 2021 and older versions of the Himalayan
@@robertgodwin830 its an ecu mod that plugs between the airbox and temp sensor relocating the temp sensor to the front of the bike. This allows the bike to run richer on acceleration and at idle. Its an alternitive to a ecu piggyback or reflash. It doesnt work on bs5 or 2022+ bikes.
Nothing to moan about really apart frm the fuel tank! My wifes Yamaha Tricity has had huge stalling problems, cutting out and engine warning light coming on at least once every 6 week. The dealer cannot find any problems!! Looking at getting rid of it for a Royal Enfield.
Have really enjoyed the Himalayan :-)
Pity you didn't take the trouble to find out about the fix on the stalling.
Actually, they did tell me what they did the bike. It was just above my level of understanding. Basically a bunch of electronic adjustments to sensors and things like that. I think there's actually a couple different things that caused the spelling problem with these bikes. In my case they were able to solve it with adjustments. Maybe I'll talk to them see if I can make a list and make a video about this problem. Thanks
Read my reply
Factory fix of ecm
Is this fella ok? Just waffles on and on about nowt!
No, he's got real problems...
For the back road riding you like, a KLR650 Kawasaki would have been much better engine and quality (Japanese made) than a Royal Enfield, but everyone has their likes and dislikes I guess.
I would have no problem on most of those rock roads with my 2007 Hondas Sabre VT1100, much like LaSombra…..
I do like the KLR
KLRs are not made in Japan
That's what I was looking at, but with 29 " inseam I could barely touch the ground...Himalayan seat height was the deciding factor for me.
@@lonerider2982 there is a longer link kit you can install that will lower the seat height 1 in. I think I found that at Baxtercycle.com
Wouldn't you just open up the idle screw on the carburettor.
The bike is fuel injected, no carburetor. Problem was a little more than raising the idle. Have not had any issues since the dealer took care of it. Love this bike.
Am looking at getting one or the scram! The scram is more tempting as weighs 15kg less, although does that make a big diff? Just thinking for the trips with tent etc less is better esp up hills.
P.s I should be filming it all just need to get a channel name sorted etc n get cracking.
I don't think you could go wrong with either bike. My thoughts are if you're going to be more off-road get the standard land if you're going to be more on road biased get the scram. The scram does feel like it performs better. It has noticeably lighter handling on Pavement and feels like it has more power. Wahoo!
@@forgottenmotorcycles Yeah am going to be more road focused..thks.
My next bit of confusion is re how to use straps etc to secure luggage.
@@MauriceTarantulas one nice thing about these motorcycles is that there are so many options out there for luggage.
Fun video. Good info to know.
Thank you :-)
Interesting windshield.
CalSci brand that I picked up from Baxtercycle.com I really like it.
I want one so bad, but here in Ark. there is just no support or dealers!
Dang! You know, these are very simple to maintain....maybe do it yourself? Baxtercycle.com does ship these wonderful motorcycles to most places US. Wahoo!
For 15,000 miles, those weren't all that big of issues to be honest.
The bike has been great. At 17,000 now and still runs like a champ, better than new :-)
440 pounds? That's the same weight as my V-Strom 650.
Yes, but this one has half (or less) the power...
Warning
Royal enfield in India is NOT sending replacement parts to America. So your "warranty " is not worth the paper its printed on. Im having serious buyers remorse.
Interesting. Have not heard of this yet. I've had two warranty issues in the 19 months, 1st was solved on sight in minutes 2nd within a few days...time it took to get the part. Hoping for the best.
Suprisingly Scram 411 seat is better compared to Himalayan
I need to ride another scram very soon :-)
Fondest Greetings to my American cousins from here in Ozstralia where we like to complain about our roads--BUT:
Is it just my viewing an unrepresentative sample of videos, OR;
Are a horrifying proportion of US urban roads a cracked and crumbling mess?
Really depends on where you're at but we do have our share of really bad roads here.
How anyone can try to compare this to a klr 650 is beyond me.for one thing, the klr front end doesn't break off.
I did look at several klrs.
That was an issue with the older ones lol ...
The rear frame would break off klr along with foot pegs & various other BS
KLrs are terrible for reliabilty and their frames crack ,I know many owners who got rid of them and replaced them with Himalayans
@@Scale_Slotcars_Latvia yeah heard & well known bout the gen 1 & gen 2 on frame cracking it's also so bad there's an aftermarket solution to fix it, the gen 3 supposedly doesn't have that issue but still too new to make claims
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