In Sente: Go Lessons! Top 5 Mistakes Beginner Go Players Make!
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- The first video of the channel! This goes through (with examples) the top 5 mistakes I have made and see others make in Go! Like, comment, subscribe, and most importantly, learn!
TABLE OF CONTENTS
#5: We don't respect Sente (1:11)
#4: We fight to kill. (4:01)
#3: We attack/invade from a weak position (7:37)
#2: We don't know how to make life (11:01)
#1: We "freak out"! (14:10)
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I tend to feel my opponent is winning from move 2
SAME
That late?!
You've discovered gote, the opposite of sente, and you're the goat then.
Even in 9-stone handicap games. :(
I don't just feel this, my opponent IS actually winning fr9om move 2. Every game. Not sure if I should give it up.
Watching your recent video reminded me of your earlier material so I decided to re visit.
You have a unique way of presenting the game. You describe principles as opposed to any 30 move sequence. I will never remember a 30 move sequence, but I will remember principles of play. You are not afraid to use games that you lost to illustrate those principles (other commentators I find use mostly won games). You are never afraid to mention when you are not sure of what to do. Your attitude in sharing your love of the Game is almost contagious. Go is an intense game but your approach lightens it. Your approach keeps the fun and enjoyment as we struggle to understand this Game and improve.
So, welcome back to the world of Go presenters. Thanks for sharing.
In sente, I want you to know that your Go videos are a breathe of fresh air. I'm a beginner and watching a few Go channels, I've noticed, what seems to me, like a fair amount of arrogance from some parts of the community. I am mentally ill so maybe it's just my perception, but your lack of arrogance is appreciated.
Point #5 - "Go reflects a lot of human emotions."
Well said.
One of the Chinese names for Wei Qi (Go) is "Hand Talk". Strong Chinese players have told me that a player expresses his personality or at least his current emotions via his playing style. Confident? Afraid? Patient? Greedy? Covetous? Aggressive? Overly aggressive? Flexible? Balanced? Inquisitive? And so on.
I'd like to see those expressed on the board... as in, if a pro could explain what games exemplify what feelings
Very interesting...
huh wei qi means surround chess
Not going to lie here, I’ve been watching some of your videos over the years. And for the first time I’ve felt confident enough to start playing, although I’m still completely flabbergasted as to how to even play. Great content, though, and now I feel a bit more confident about just playing my game and learning as opposed to always remaining confused and angry at myself.
Really like your calm demeanor. A lot of younger people(oh man I'm getting old when the young people are calling the young young!) have this wild and crazy method to making videos but you have put your focus on where it needs to be: the game. Thank you so much and I will continue to work hard.
I particularly like how you mentioned that because most of us westerners are introduced to these types of strategy games through chess that we play to destroy. This is a huge failing of mine in Go and I'm still a rising chess player so I should focus that energy in that game where it belongs and approach Go on its own terms.
Look at the more recent videos :/
thanks for the video. I watched this on the toilet and it helped me go.
but seriously, great content. Been playing for 2 weeks. Been diving into hours of Go content on youtube. thanks!
I like the organized approach and bite sized segments. I would recommend speeding up the intro (with the HNG music) so it's faster and takes less time. 20 seconds watching the letters appear will make people skip it.
Brent Longstaff Thanks! That's a good point, I'll speed up that sequence for the next video :)
@@InSente thank you very much I agree.
@@InSente 5 years later I've come to tell you that this is the first video of yours I've seen, and the intro was fine for the fact that the song gave me some good HNG nostalgia 😁
@@MrChoobsabre same here! Sweet nostalgia.
1. Great video! Very helpful.
2. Soundtrack (currently watching this anime).
3. Ubuntu! Love it.
4. A good youtuber who loves his work.
5. Subscribed.
From Russia with love.
I am happy about all these points as well :) Cheers from Switzerland!
Great job on the video. I'm a Chess player and recently have jumped head first into Go and absolutely love it. But see the need to understand what Im doing more and why do I constantly lose. This video gave me a lot to work on. Shapes, yes seeing the needs for life and shapes... So hooked on GO. So different from chess. Loved the video very imformative , thank you...
8 years later, your video is still helpful to a beginner ^_^ thank you!!
I tried to learn Go a few years ago, but I left it aside as many responsabilities fell in my lap.
So, that being said, I never thought I could find a place with someone that feels so calm and polite that actually makes me feel so eager to learn.
Thank you for taking the time to create such a wonderful place and experience.
I'm already subscribed and hoping to see any coming updates.
Thank you so much! I was in the same position when I first learned Go, and you can probably tell from how passionate I am at teaching beginners, that I want Go, first and foremost, to feel exciting and fun to learn! Im so glad I could create this small space for viewers 😁
+1 for ubuntu
Following all of your series, and they have all been extremely helpful. Even if you examine a concept I am familiar with, you always seem to clarify something that has been a problem for me. I am taking notes, so I can review them before games. Excellent job!
I really appreciate your calm and rational way of explaining things.
In chess, only amateurs go for killing in chess. Grandmasters take their time to build a strong position, force the opponent to go backwards or make their pieces inactive while them activate all their pieces before they go for the final short. Grand Masters are like assasins who want to make sure you have 0 percent chance of counter attack
Finding these videos VERY helpful! I agree about speeding up the intro / watching the letters appear. Other than that they're great! Please do a segment about playing too slow as a beginner. I'm just learning to place stones more than one or two places away from each other but still can't tell if I'm playing too slow or if I'm putting my stones at risk of getting separated by placing them too far away from each other. Other beginners I've watched seem to have trouble here too.
I enjoy your videos a lot! and I learn very much with them! The way you explain the moves and why they are good or wrong it's very simple. I like a lot when you explain what's on our beginners mind when moving this way or that way. It helps me understand what's happening and improve my game. :D keep with Quality!!
Thanks for this video! I'm 'stuck' at 11-kyu right now on OGS and noticed that I make a lot of the mistakes listed here, especially #2! Hopefully this will help me become a stronger player.
Great video mate, well done! I've just started playing Go and have just subscribed to your channel. Looking forward to seeing the rest.
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Super helpful video, I'm just starting out and the explanation of concepts and illustrative examples are so useful in understanding.
Amazingly helpful video. Love your explanations. Thank you !!!!
Good. Thank you. I'll check out your other videos, especially on life and death and good shapes. Thanks for the shape link.
Excellent video with excellent content and explanation. You really have the talent to explain things as well as superb communications skills. Thanks! Needless to say I've subscribed to your channel.
yes, very helpful. This beginner really appreciates what you are doing.
love the video man!! cant wait to watch all your vids,
You communicate the game and it's concept very well, your explanations are clear, you have a gift for clarification, you should be a presentation specialist of some kind. ☺
I love your videos. Very new to go, and you explain it so well!
Your videos are so valuable for beginners like me, thanks!
haha nice hikaru no go reference at the intro ;)
+brunosupertramp1 Yep, I was going to say the same thing! I'm getting into this because of the show.
I love hikaru no go!
And the intro song is my favourite hikaru no go sound track!
brunosupertramp1 So Perfect.😭
@@captainjack6758 The show really does do great justice to the emotions and type of personality it takes to be a champion. I have watched it twice, once in Japanese and later in English with my dad and I have to say that I will most likely watch it in Chinese(mnd.), Spanish, French, Korean, and more if they exist. I see more(about the game and about life as a chess/wq/xq/shogi player/teacher and potential champion hehe) with each watch, it seems.
Then again I should probably spend that time studying my games. :)
Just learning to play GO.There's little help out there for learning GO versus chess and backgammon.This was very helpful.Will watch other videos.
I am 10kyu. Best video ever, I feel this exactly explains my weaknesses and how I can go to 5kyu
Very helpful i watch at least one of your videos before playing another game and im getting better really fast
Love this! Thanks for creating this channel!
These videos are amazing! Thank you so much
Super great video man. Very helpful!
It's a great idea. Keep at it. Really like your instructional approach to to the game.
I found this helpful, especially since you gave examples in which you did not make great plays. This shows concretely how important it can be for us to review our games after we play them. We then have a second chance for each of our mistakes--at least we can learn exactly where the mistake was and find how to make better moves. It also shows how nice the OGS software has gotten, that it behaves while you are actually trying to teach with it. Thank you! But again, you should include your rating.
thank you so much for these videos. nice clear explanations for a beginner :)
Great man! Excellent!
Hey - thanks for these - they are great: as a complete beginner, I watched E1-E4 and it transformed my beginner game! Now these points are making lots of sense too!
great!! Keep it up, you'll be Dan in no time!! XD
Oh very interesting. So, according to your channel intro video, you will make a video of games you played where you consciously tried to apply these principles to your playing and how it worked out for you? Then you will move onto the next lesson and repeat?
Overall I think your channel is a very cool idea, I know this is something I would have wanted to see when I was around 10-15k so I hope it all goes well!
Great video!
Thanks, great edutainment and nice humour :-)
Dude, so cool! Thanks for the video and nice to see you using Linux!
Great video for this newb. Thank you.
Nice video, thanks! I can't help but thinking that at 16:50, you could have entered his territory at S7, and if you had played at F11, and him at E11, you would double atari at F9
Great video thank you!
great video!
Great video. Thanks! Sorry if you got this question already, but can you recommend a good book on go?
good video man, i wish i knew where to learn faster, i guess ill just keep playing
I used to constantly put myself in Atari along the wall. It took me too long to actually learn this lesson.
So basically... whatever move you`re going to make... STOP!!! and think again XD
Just kidding, great video. As a beginner I feel very well represented in those mistakes.
I know I`m almost 4 years late, but I wanted to show some appreciation to you and this channel. Good work adn thanks
One tip to not freak out is to imagine that you are the opponent. Then you will see the his weaknesses and your strengths. And you just might have insight in what he or she might be thinking at that moment. In your example of 16:00 , if I were black, I would think damn, white is claiming both left corners, and I have done nothing there to do something about that.
Nice to see you're using Linux as well! What Go software do you recommend on this platform?
Hee Super Nice video! To me the best one so far.
Im starting to be a beginner, and this was very help full. I'm playing on OGS and there is a nice atmosphere and a lot of help full players.
So please keep the good work coming, hope to play you some time.
Peace
Hey, glad you found the channel! If you're just starting, I made a "Beginner Go Series" that has gotten great feedback on introducing new players to the basic strategies, so I definitely recommend checking that out as well. Best of luck, and if you ever are thinking about private lessons or wondering about other ways to improve, don't hesitate to reach out, Good luck!
I checked that out a view weeks ago.. Also very helpful.
Great video! Just getting in to go, and totally know all those mistakes first hand. I was wondering, if you haven't already, could you do a video about openings? I can't seem to write grasp how to start. I kind of understand mid to late game. But my early game is bad.
Thanks!
+John Nothaft Glad you found the channel! So If you check my playlists, under "Go Lessons", there should be a video on opening principles.
I do however want to make another video on it. When I started this channel in summer I was 13-14 kyu. Now, I'm 4-1 kyu so I may want to re-do some of my earlier videos with the new understanding I have of the game in the future.
But yeah I do have a small 10 minute video on my channel for openings if you want to check it out, good luck!
+In Sente awesome! Thanks! I'm really looking forward to your videos involving teaching your friend!
Nice wan man! Like it!
"Without further ado," at 0:37, is exactly where the further ado starts. We then get the fancy music, the funny animated logo, solid total ado.
The actual program, ironically titled "We don't respect sente," starts at 1:10, and what Nicky has to say on the subject is very very sound.
Ok Granny.
@@Liliquan lol.
Great vid
Remember, just think a minute . the only quote i need from him
RESUMEN. Errores de principiantes:
1. No respetar el sente.
2. Luchar para matar. A veces es mejor dejar vivir al oponente mientras tú consigues mayor beneficio.
3. Atacar o invadir desde una posición débil.
4. Tratar de matar, antes de proteger tus grupos.
5. Asustarse demasiado pronto. Dejar que las emociones dominen el juego.
I feel my opponent has me beat before it's even started
At 2:42, I agree that you should always keep an eye on other areas of the board, but the move you show isn't very good actually : the opponent has to respond, but the resulting exchange weakens your group on the lower side. The group has pretty good shape, but doesn't have 2 eyes yet. I checked with the AI, and it recommends playing at J4 directly as black, so as to prepare an attack on the center, but from the direction of your weak group towards your strong group (namely E9).
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#3 - what would have been the best move instead of invading? L7?
GORO and Shang Tzung are playing Go in the dungeon with this music background
Great vid!! Thanks. But may i trouble you for the music?
it's from the anime hikaru no go, you can find the first ep on yt if you're interested
If you want to 'take on a bear with a stick'.
I'd advise choosing a Koala, and a pick axe handle 😊
(Just make sure that you're the one with the stick though, because a Koala with a pick axe handle will fuk you up in an instant!)
As a Go novice, I would have played black H3 at 1:19 and extended into the large gap across the bottom side of the board.
Black shape at 10:18 is not even close to an eye. In this situation White plays P5 and after sequence: B:P6, W:R7, B:Q6, W:R5, B:P4, W:Q4, B:P3, W:R6, B:P5, W:P2 and Black is all dead catched in a ladder.
nc video 😃😃😃
Can you do a Joseki series? Like, a series dedicated to showing different Joseki variations each video
Maybe! haha I never study any joseki, so it might help me just as much as you guys to learn some to make videos about.
P19 was the real mistake at the 6:11 point. S18 instead just kills. Even if you don't see that fixing the cuts is better than descending.
thx
VALUABLE FOR ME/TAKING NOTES/
i see that crt in the background...who do u main
🙏
Your invasion was definitely an overreach. But W-R7 after B-Q7 at 10:51 calls to me.
i was laughing so hard when started talking about#4 you know why
actuaclly that invasion workex
what is the opening song's name?
Subbed for the fact that you're an ubuntu user. I suck at Go. Help me.
As a beginners , i always focusd on killing.
You should give your rating.
S-s-senpai? Notice me?
Just played my first game, and they matched me against some 14k player who kicked the shit out of me. He was at least nice about it and gave me some good tips along the way, so it wasn't all lost lol.
Last board he shows, 17:33 - Can't black cut white at S7?
+Jeffrey Jiang yep! and white cannot play T8 because after black S8, White T9, and Black O8 the white stones are captured! it is better for white to simply play R7, but that's a great 5-6 pt reduction for black. (however, given that we were both DDK's at the time, I don't think either of us saw that haha)
Ahh I see! Thanks for the reply :)
Out of curiosity, what ranking are you now?
+Jeffrey Jiang no problem! So I play on a bunch of different servers to learn different play styles, so my rank is different on each one haha. I'm a 5 kyu on KGS (should rank up soon though), a 1 kyu on Tygem, a 3 kyu on IGS, and a 6 kyu on OGS.
Ahh I see. That's impressive, hopefully I can get there someday! The video was great btw
+Jeffrey Jiang Thanks for the feedback! Definitely check out some of my other videos, I'm sure you'l get tons of tips on how to improve your game. And as long as you keep playing and actively learning, you'll definitely get there!
I made mistakes so hard that I confused my opponent and won
is that Linux!!! I fucking love Linux!!! omg marry me!!!
Wheres the "i" on the board?
This guy looks like freddy mercy
15:33 "I'm white... in the... game"
Bruh when I play my grandpa he destroys me
This may not be great insight into what you are trying to show, but there is a problem with #2's example. Your problem is that you are invading at a point where you shouldn't be able to make life. As you talk about in #3, you can't invade/reduce without some help. You invaded, pushed around his stones, but played extremely heavily TRYING to make life, instead of trying to get out. Also, if you need to survive, attach to enemy stones, it makes your life much easier then playing moves like J18.
Last thing, please stop kicking the corner approach stones. You only succeed in making a potential target stronger and harder to attack, as well as giving your opponent better shape then you have in the corner.
DoitiEtok Right, yeah a lot of these principles sort of blend into each other in real games. I've been wanting to learn how to attach correctly for a while, definitely something to try out! Good advice about the kicking too, that should be a move I make if I have supporting stones/influence on the other side of my opponents approaching stone right?
When it comes to kicking, you need to already have a pincer stone in place, yes.
+In Sente Ill preface this by saying that you probably are stronger than me, but for your lesson 3 here it actually seems that you could have successfully invaded. Your shape doesnt look that weak to me so long as you dont damage it. I'm curious why you invaded on the 4th line though? This seems to be more of a misplaced reduction move. When I paused the video and looked at this position, I considered attaching at R5 or R8 and then trying to make sabaki. The other thing is 3-3 also seems to be okay here since it seems to me that black has already invested a lot in his right side moyo and the result of this invasion might be the overconcentration of black stones? Or maybe you could save this for even later (given that it would take black yet another move to prevent this which would almost certainly be too slow to be tolerable at this point). Idk just some food for thought, let me know what you think. P.S. great videos!
+Geoffrey Lee hahaha, so I haven't looked at this video in a LONG time, and it's so interesting coming back to it after learning more Go, because I totally see your point XD. There are tons of potential invasion spots here. The 3-3 is viable, and also we can invade to push black down and make sabaki at M17 or R14. Another cool Idea I see is to attach at your suggested spots (R8) to get some strength, and then play the cut at O7. This would leave black's 2 stones completely alone and we can chase them around to destroy all of black's center potential!
However, all these possibilities exist because we know Go XD. For a beginner vs a beginner match, it is TONS easier to attack with a strong group of stones than to escape or live with a weak group of stones. that's why I would give this rule to beginner players. They simply don't have the technical skill (yet) to invade or live in enemy territory in a profitable way. I think that for a beginner, following the "don't attack from a weak position" rule teaches good, strong habits of beginner go, and as they get better, the possibilities of what is "weak" and what is "strong" widen, and they can make their own judgement and experiment as they improve :)
Thanks for the feedback!
If beginners are playing on a full-size 19x19 board isn't that a mistake? And, shouldn't lessons for beginners take place on a 9x9 board? How many beginners are trying to learn by playing on 19x19? That's like learning basic mountaineering by climbing Everest, in my opinion. If this lesson was really intended for beginners, to help beginners, it's far too complex to understand on a 19x19 board. This is one of my chief gripes about Go lessons online -- experienced players are so comfortable with their advanced knowledge that they can't "dumb it down" enough for real beginners. Please excuse me -- I'm very frustrated with Go.
What I'm really looking for is some kind of basic guide to the philosophy of Go, so I can think, "Extend, consolidate, flank, capture," in that order, or something like it. Talking about Sente here or there or way over there is just lost on me. I want to know what makes sense right after I've learned the basic rules, to help me improve my play against the computer on the lowest setting. Maybe Go can only be really enjoyed by people who played it from the cradle, taught by people with white hair who played it for a hundred years and read a huge pile of books. It's frustrating as hell, and nobody (so far) has done an adequate job of bringing it down to the beginner.
You're getting more comfortable making video's you seem to have matured a bit
First issue is quite believable. Everything else are just bad moves. Nothing to learn from, really.