Reformulated Fragrances Old vs New Formulation Perfumes Comparison Mugler Angel Alien Armani Si EDP
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I've been wanting to do this video for ages, but I didn't want to rush into this one. LOL definitely no rushing, been thinking about this since Jan 2022! I was a bit hesitant to do this because there's a lot of overreaction to reformulation and I didn't want to feed into that with a superficial spur of the moment opinion. This is definitely not that, I've been testing these for months so I can tell you accurately what I think about these.
Here I compare the old and new formulations of three popular designer fragrances; Giorgio Armani Si, Thierry Mugler Angel and Thierry Mugler Alien. I tell you whether I can tell which formulation is which, given that I've owned one particular formulation for a few years now, and if they ARE different, how they are different, their longevity and projection and which I prefer. I have also asked other non perfume fanatics what they think.
Cos it's me, I also tried to be slightly scientific about this, yes Dr Claire has been conducting some experiments. This clearly isn't a perfect test, but I should mention, cos I forgot to in the video, that I also applied the same formulation fragrance to the same people as well, to remove any expectation that the fragrances should be different, so this is a fairer test than it appears.
Obviously, this kind of video is a magnifying close up view of the differences. For some of these perfumes, the differences are likely subtle and this is what the non-perfume fanatics' views are to help with. They help to give the whole thing some perspective.
So have you tried any of these fragrances in either formulation or both? What do you think about reformulation? Does it upset you? Do you buy lots of backups of your favourites? Do you miss any particular fragrance in its older formulation? Do you prefer the new formulation of any particular fragrance? Do you think reformulation is just part of perfume life?
🌟 Timestamps:
0:00 Intro - What and how I am assessing any potential old vs new formulation differences.
2:59 Giorgio Armani Si EDP
8:22 (Thierry) Mugler Angel EDP
14:18 (Thierry) Mugler Alien EDP
🌟 Perfumes mentioned:
Giorgio Armani Sì EDP 2018 vs 2022
Thierry Mugler Angel EDP pre 2004 vs Mugler Angel 2022 (Agent Provocateur Fatale Intense)
Thierry Mugler Alien EDP (likely pre 2010) vs Mugler Alien 2020
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Also-I had a video suggestion: Can you explore a little about why certain fragrances are better in certain temperatures. Not just that something has “summer vibes,” but whether certain notes actually do smell differently in different temperatures, even if you wear a perfume on the skin. Maybe you’ve already done this, though. Anyway, would love your scientific take on this!
I think the skin chemistry video hinted at that a little but there's probably a lot more to say on the subject. Scent note associations based on social context with certain seasons are also a huge factor for how much people think something smells I think. Cinnamon and other warm spices for Christmas for example because of the strong association with traditional foods. 🥰
This is such a great video. I adore the old version of Angel ✨ the new one is still good. I totally agree that the new version of Alien is soapier than the original. You just can’t beat the original formulation 💜
Thanks! Yes I think the views of other people trying these fragrance formulations speaks volumes as to just how subtle some of the alterations are (not with Sì obviously but with the Mugler fragrances) and I think it's important to keep that perspective. They are only going to be things that you will notice if you try the fragrances side by side or if you really know one particular formulation and then you smell another. If you are coming to buy alien or angel for the first time, it's really not something to worry about. Thanks for watching ❤️
Mugler should've been sold to a better company than L'ORÉAL😓 like why L'ORÉAL tho?? There are many other companies like Shiseido, Interparfums, Give Back Beauty, Huda Beauty, LVMH, Coty. PUIG for example but I think in my opinion, Mugler should've been sold to PUIG cause I think the fragrance bottles are giving me CH, PR & JPG vibes which their perfume bottles are just eye-catching. But honestly in terms of scent, I think "Thierry Mugler" wins in the designer world in terms of what they used to have in the past before L'ORÉAL takeover/era. As a "Thierry Mugler" hardcore fan, I hope this brand does not stay long with this eviloréal & just move to a million times better parent company. "Thierry Mugler" is one of a kind & such an ultimate legendary superstar🌟✨
I agree that L'Oréal just don't seem innovative enough to own Mugler. Their Alien Goddess release was really very much like something Lancôme would release rather than Mugler. I doubt that Mugler will ever be what it was, the rate of releases has also slowed. Even flankers don't seem to be being produced 🤷♀️ it's almost like L'Oréal even realise what they've done. I wonder how long Mugler will be around full stop. Thierry Mugler was indeed a fabulous brand amongst a sea of designer dross, they stood out for sure because they were different! Thanks for watching ❤️
@@dr.claire.perfume yea the Alien Goddess & Goddess Intense juice should've been in a Lancôme bottle which i agree with you(cause it gives straight out a mainstream likeable Lancôme vibe) + same goes to Angel Nova as well which i think it's more suited to be a Lancôme Trésor Midnight Rose flanker. These 3 fragrances doesn't scream MUGLERness at all but they're just simply crowd-pleasers. Also it's such a pain & pity that most of original Thierry Mugler fragrance releases are discontinued like Aura, Womanity, Angel Muse & A*Men flankers. Also i saw a new Angel flanker on TikTok which is called Angel Elixir. Last but not least i would like to say, you're welcome & i really enjoyed watching your videos as they are very interesting to watch while sipping my hot chocolate🍫 I really appreciate your contents👍 Keep up the great work!!👍 You're such an amazing & genuine fragrance enthusiast🤩
@@ScandalByNight since when was Aura and Muse discontinued? :(
I know muse EDT is definitely discontinued, unsure about EDP. It seems a weird decision though. Muse is popular.
Thank you! Womanity is still available on the Mugler website I think, but only selling it there and only in the largest size, leads me to suspect that it will eventually go. Unsure about the rest of these.
Wow it’s so interesting to hear about the different Alien formulations ! IMO I think these companies cut corners with the quality of the ingredients ( either that or the ingredients aren’t readily available anymore ?
I think that's right. I think the changes in some regulations and pricing can make companies reformulate, but with Alien with L'Oréal, I think it was their wanting to start again from scratch. I get that tastes move on and actually perfumes from 20 years ago can really jar with modern tastes, so I understand to some degree! ☺️
Thank you for such an informative video :)
No problem! Thanks for watching 🥰
Great review❤
Thank you! 🥰
Absolutely fabulous video, Claire! I enjoyed it so so so much!!! ❤❤
Great! Thank you 🥰
Hello Claire. As always, great video 😊. Thank you so much for the hard work.
Thank you Yulia, I really appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment. 🥰
Clare this was absolutely brilliant
Have a wonderful weekend ❤
Thank you! You too! ❤️
This is such an interesting and informative video! Thank you for covering this topic and doing the side by side comparisons!
Thank you! I was super curious to compare these ❤️
Thank you so much for this!:) now I want to smell the older Alien and compare:)
Hi Jackie ☺️ thank you! Yes! I hope you can find some, good luck.
Another great video 😍👍
Thank you ❤️
Really enjoy your scientific take on fragrances🧡
Thank you 🥰
Interesting comparisons Claire!!! Makes me want to get my nose on the og Alien!!!💜💜💜
Good luck finding it. It took me about 6 months to find a bottle at a reasonable price. There are so many fakes! 🥰
I love how systematic and methodical you were comparing these! Thank you for the effort 💛
I tried not to exaggerate and to put it all in the context of other people's views, but it really is something that is always from your own point of view and when you first tried the fragrances, however much you try!
The disclosure of the biases at the beginning was key Claire. Well done. No question that they influence our perceptions in many ways. I'll admit that I'll never forgive D&G for what they did to the '94 sticker release of Pour Homme. 😄 Travesty of a change. Nailed that description of the older Angel edp tho. As for the original Alien, I like to refer to her as "VaVOOM!" 😆Both fragrances immediately discernable in a crowd. Would be interesting to contact someone in the future to see if the current formulations get closer to the older ones with time. Some of these companies just rush stuff to market now. Loved the video!!
Bias is huge in this for sure! I've heard a few people talk about 94 pour homme, that's the true Italian made version isn't it? People spend ages trying to track that down.
Angel is hard to describe for me, it took me ages to try to work out why I enjoyed the older one more, it just seemed unexplainably better 🤷♀️ I have literally been trying that Alien side by side for months too 😂 I didn't want to be inflammatory with my comments but justified. Old Alien is pow for sure! I really think L'Oréal must realise just how many OG fans they have completely turned off by their reformulations.
Thanks for watching ❤️
@@dr.claire.perfume It's been a downhill journey for sure. Some people take it on a sled, and others on their ass. 😆 Some aren't even aware of the gradient. Me, I've tried skis, but ended up just walking. Might as well enjoy the scenery. And screams. 🤣
😂
Loss of OG Angel is irreplaceable. I piled up as many back up bottles as I could. It is (WAS) Masterpiece. Instead of buy reformulated stranger that have alias name of Angel I rather buy clone house versions
@@ladybug2x2y22z It's interesting, I've noticed that some clone brands have started harkening back to the original formulations of certain fragrances. It's one of the primary reasons I can support a select few. Kind of makes me question some of the financial excuses given for reforms, especially if some unknown brand can replicate an old formula for super cheap.
Hi lovely! I was gifted Angel edp when it launched and yes I can smell the difference.
Aah wow, lucky you! Do you still have it?! Or do you mean that you remember how it smelt?
@@dr.claire.perfume I don’t have it. I went through 3 or 4 bottles since but I do remember how it smells
👍 yes it would definitely be something you would remember after 3/4 bottles ☺️
Good morning I’m all set to watch with my ☕️
Hi Frances. I was thinking of you this morning, I am ill again, it's draining to catch one thing after another. I hope you are well now. 🙂
@@dr.claire.perfume ohh no honey ,we just can’t catch a break this winter at all 🤦♀️
@@HappinessSparkles yes, it seems like it! I am hoping this will be the last one for a while. 🥰
Hi Claire ❣️ I applaud you again for employing a scientific method ❤️ You are an absolute treasure to the perfume community here on CZcams 🙂
Thank you Laurel, happy new year, I tried to give perspective on this because with smelling close up, you will certainly have a preference and find differences but it's good to show how big or detectable those differences are to others. 😊
This was so interesting and insightful. For some sort of reason, I tend to prefer the old formulas. Happy Holidays, Claire!
Happy holidays to you too! Sorry for the late reply. I've been with only intermittent internet access. Happy new year! ✨
I love the mint in old Alien!
I thought I was mad when I first smelt it, I never saw anyone talk about it. Thanks for confirming that you smell it too ☺️ Maybe everyone has the new version or a newer version without it? No idea 🤷♀️
@@dr.claire.perfume I thought I was the only one too! Glad to know you smell it too! ❤️
I get the mint opening with old alien too, I absolutely love it. Alien was one of my first perfume loves so it's hard to let it go. However I have liked both of the goddess flankers but the jasmine is very different in them. I think the top alien jasmine was the absolue for me. Still the minty opening but the creamiest jasmine flowers I think I've smelled.
I only tried a decant of absolue but yes, very much the same as old Alien with that medicinal menthol opening, I agree!
Hi Claire! Thank you for this fun video! I thoroughly enjoyed it 🤗 I didn't like Angel in the past but I love it now! Obviously I don't have them side by side (same with Alien). Never tried SI but I don't think I will after what you said of the new one 🤭 Cheers! 💙💙💙
I am really thinking about decluttering the old Sì, it's just not me, and the new one is truly nothing special at all for me. It's all personal choice though.
This is it isn't it? There's so much talk about the old formulations being better but that's as far as the discussion ever goes. 🤣 I was so curious to work out exactly what are the differences and also whether other people can perceive them! I found that particularly fascinating ☺️ I think the reformulations have made both angel and alien friendlier. I had no clue that alien had been reformulated when I bought it back in 2020, but it makes total sense with me thinking that my first opinion of it back several years ago had been wrong 🤣 cos it was a slightly different fragrance! 🤷♀️ Thank you for watching, as always! 🥰
@@dr.claire.perfume Totally agree, it's fascinaring as it is this whole thing of perfumes! It reminds me of the book The Perfume in a way, with its misterious and dark edge, all those intricate psicological effects of aromas....I don't know I'm not making much sense am I? 😂
Anyways, thanks again for your video, looking forward to the next one 😉
Haha, Ive not read that, but I saw some of the film if it's that one you are talking about and yes, very psychological! I guess buying smelly water in general is a whole matter of belief. It's all psychological as to whether you personally believe that it is worth its price. But for sure, your impression of the fragrance can be hugely biased by lots of factors. 😊
I have an original alien bottle, still smells perfect and hasn't gone off after all these years. Wearing it now and it makes me feel like a million dollars😊
Yes! I was amazed and very very happy that my old bottle smells as fab as it does, given how old it is! I wear the vintage one when I'm doing something special, I wear the new formulation more for work etc.
You are very fortunate... Enjoy it!!!
I’ve never been a big fan of alien or angel but I’d really be curious to smell the originals! Great video. ❤
They are strong and brash but I guess that's part of their charm 😊 classics that broke the mould.
hello claire:-)! very interesting video to watch.-)! thank you:-). I only know the old formulations of Mugler, armani si i know the new one. Now i m getting Muse for christmas, and that s obv new one - while i dont know the old one:-). I know this one wasnt in the vid, but as it s mugler also, i had to stick it in here🙂
Hello! Ooh I heard Angel Muse is being discontinued, is that true? I know the EDT was.
I think this is the thing with reformulations, the great majority of people only experience one version. Unless it's your signature, maybe it really doesn't matter? Thanks for watching, have a lovely weekend 🥰
@@dr.claire.perfume ye i heard that too - or - as mugler likes it - it s just a flanker = it ll be discontinued. Hence i grabbed till i can lol:)).
Cant wait for Christmas:)
👍 it will disappear quickly so that was a good idea. 🎁
Hi, Claire! Loved this video, and I think I share the same bias about reformulations. My beloved Sung from 30 years ago was definitely reformulated some time in the mid 90s, and I could tell-it was less soft and smooth, if that makes sense. It just seemed cheaper-smelling 😢. I had no idea Sì had been redone. Glad I bought a rollerball when it came out, but who knows, maybe I’ll like the new one!
Maybe! If you enjoy grapefruit then it could be a winner. It's much lighter. It's the one that was most strikingly different to me. I've still not tried Sung, I need to. I've heard a lot about it.
I wish I could find the old version...to compare ..great review gurrll❤
Keep looking on secondhand sites and get familiar with how the vintage bottles of Alien and Angel look, their logos etc. With Si, it's harder to spot them sadly but the colour of the fragrance can be a clue sometimes. Good luck 🍀
Wow you describe angel to perfection Claire. 🥰 obviously I will always love the old version. It's smoother, much more candy floss caramel which you'd think I'd hate, but it's always had something that craves some addiction in me lol 😆
I know you are huge fan of Angel, so thank you! The two Angels are both sweet, but in different ways.
That was great, Claire. Really appreciate your efforts making little trials and involving others as well. Of course, the older ones are better! Oh well. I remind myself the world is full of perfumes. We'll be okay 😆
It is ok isn't it? It's good to move on and let go sometimes. With 6000 new fragrances a year, there's bound to be one to love 🤣 I rarely repurchase anything these days. It takes me so long to finish a bottle and I hoard my loves and vintages 👀🤦♀️ thanks for watching 😘
Ho acquistato l'anno scorso un flacone da 100ml di "Sì", la fragranza è divina e mi piace da impazzire, ma non ha persistenza sulla pelle e ancor meno sui vestiti, non mi è mai successo con nessun profumo. Sono riuscito ad avere una formula vecchia ma non li ho trovati così diversi, solo un po' più persistente e più scuro, con più patchouli, ma senza grandi differenze. La versione odierna mi piace moltissimo ma non dura e non proietta purtroppo e l'ho rivenduta. Spero che prossimamente facciano una nuova formulazione, magari con le boccette ricaricabili, lasciando lo stesso profumo ma rendendolo più intenso, e spero facciano lo stesso con "Sì Passione", bellissima fragranza ma poco intensa. Armani pecca in persistenza, su di me solo la linea My Way funziona bene. Buona giornata!
That's a shame isn't it? The lasting power on the Si line now is truly woeful, even the new intense wasn't a long lived one. I've not tried Si Passione enough to know its longevity. L'Oréal seem to enjoy reformulated and renaming the Si line so I'm sure they will change them all in time. I'm happy to have my vintage bottle of Si 😊 thanks for watching 🥰
Angel was my first intro to Thierry Mugler perfumes about 17 years ago and it was a massive power house at the time. I was still young so didn't know much about notes, but even at that, I can say the newer formulation is watered down (though still a powerhouse). Informative video ❤
Thanks, yes they are nowhere near as strong or long lasting as they were. Thanks for watching ❤️
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about these reformulated fragrances, been eyeing for si for a long time now, this helps me.
The reformulated fragrance that i am upset about is NR nina the one in the red apple bottle, it is not as pretty,complex, potent and long lasting like the first time i had it in 2008 😔.
Wish you a merry christmas 🎄🎉
Happy Christmas to you too Rin! 🎄
I've not tried that Nina Ricci, but I know it was loved. It's a real shame when they change for the worse. For sure try Sì, you might love it, but you need to know you like the new formulation rather than the one that people tend to talk about on CZcams. It must be so confusing if people don't realise that it's been reformulated. Thanks for watching ❤️
Hi Claire. This was such a great video. I wish I could have smelled the original Si. I have the new formulation. I’ve been hesitant to buy the new Angel formulation because I’ve been worried it’s so different from the original.
I think if you've not tried the old formulations, it doesn't necessarily matter much. It's only when comparing that people feel there's been something lost. Just try the fragrances and don't worry about the old formulations. They are gone.
I just think there perhaps needs to be more awareness on CZcams that these different formulations exist, because when people talk about their fragrances, people might not be aware that there have been reformulations or which version people have. If I described sì, it would be me describing a very different fragrance to you and that could be extremely confusing for people watching. Thanks for watching ❤️
Hi Claire, I'm with you on Alien. I only liked alien more recently. I noticed a difference with Si but I wasn't sure if I have to attribute it to my young nose vs now. The up close on skin and in the air factor is huge for many perfumes. Great vid. Glad you had them to compare.
Thanks! I think that is exactly it isn't it? Most of the time, the differences will be imperceptible in the air. It's such an exaggerated way of looking at the differences and asking others to try really shows that it's not obvious at all for some or for parts of each of the fragrances. For sure Sì was the one with the most dramatic difference here, just a totally different feel to it ☺️ thanks for watching ❤️
@@dr.claire.perfume it was really helpful and interesting to hear about 💜
Thank you! 🥰
I’m glad I have my old Armani Si, I didn’t realize the reformulation was so profound! I’ll sniff it when I get to the store. I agree, curiosity gets the best of us. Once we know something is better or different in a good way, it’s hard to be satisfied with what we have. 😣🤦🏾♀️
Per usual, thanks for your work, I always enjoy you, Claire! 💛
Yes that's it for sure! Curiosity killed the cat 😂 please let me know what you think of the new Sì, all I get for the first bit is grapefruit 😂
Entire Armani Code line was reformulated. Code Profumo was decimated to the point that it had to be discontinued. The new AC Parfum is no replacement for the Profumo of old.
That's a shame, unfortunately it seems to happen a lot. 🤷♀️
More, please!
If I find any more vintage formulations, I will do more comparisons 🥰
Ooooooh! Jealous that you have an original Alien. I would love to hunt one down, but I've lacked the discipline to do so! 😂 Great video, Dr. Smith! 🥰 I remember falling in love with Alien when I smelled it across an airport section and hunted down the woman wearing it.
It was so hard to find one at a reasonable price. This Alien was part of a big bundle of fragrances and the photos were really poor. I don't think the person selling it realised what they had at all. I had been super paranoid about paying crazy amounts of money for a potential fake, I don't know what it's like where you are, but there are just so many fake Aliens here. Most are spottable but with vintage bottles where I am not sure what the bottles are meant to look like, it's difficult. Anyway this one I was willing to risk it for and it paid off, it's the real deal.
I totally understand you chasing someone down, the trail is unmistakeably beautiful! 🥰
I have old and new of
Angel
Alien
Chanel No.5
Sinner and Saint of Kat Von D
I wonder how many times Chanel no5 has been reformulated?! I bet it's dozens! You must have a big collection or really like these fragrances to have the different versions! 🥰
Love the way you alluded to the conduct of a real systematic investigation or research by mentioning the biases! Factor in a lot when we appraise the content’s validity and reliability! 🤓😅 Nerds unite! 😂
Perfume- wise, among the 3 I only really like Angel and I am happy for the EDT version which was also reformulated many times I think. The latest reformulation is the only one I can wear. ☺️
Thanks! The new EDT is bright and sparkly and happy a d much less patchouli than the EDP. I can imagine that it would be much more suitable for the more humid and warmer climate too! 🥰
Good afternoon Dr. Claire Smith, you are right the old Alien was much richer and deeper than the current ones,
I love the old one colour 17:21, that says all about its dense richness🔥
I also love all the old formulations until now ! Top video !!
Thank you! Yes the colour sums it up well. I really wanted to love the new ones more! For some of these, the difference is minimal and hard to tell without direct comparison for sure, especially for certain stages of each of the fragrances. 🥰
I’m so glad to have the older versions of all three of these! I have a first year run of Si, a 90s version of Angel (inherited from my mom when she passed), and an early version of Alien. I also have a vintage Youth Dew and a vintage Dior Poison. I will be 52 this year and they bring back great memories. ❤🎉
Wow, those perfumes must be so precious! Especially the Angel. Original releases nearly always smell the best I think! 🥰
@@dr.claire.perfume The Angel is still in its box with the Thierry Mugler note card inside. Mom saved it “for special occasions”, and hardly ever wore it. She would never let me wear it either. She’s been gone for almost nine years and I smile every time I wear it or any of the ones I inherited.
That's lovely! I think certain fragrances were kept for very special occasions only, especially people who normally wore only one fragrance.
Like you I prefer the old formulation of Angel the new formulation is still amazing but the Caramel note is missing for me! Alien is another one, the newer formulation isn't my fav but they've managed to retain their longevity to some extent! Love the video tfs 💜
Thank you Abi! Yes actually I think having other people try these fragrances who aren't forensically sniffing them, shows that they have mostly retained their original DNA. The results are somewhat exaggerated with close up sniffing. This is not how most people experience fragrance. And yes I agree, the longevity is still pretty exceptional for the Mugler fragrances! 🥰
Great video Claire. I was never really into Angel and I dislike all of the Armani Si's I have sniffed. I remember when I first smelled Alien though. I was in hospital and another patient wore it. It was incredible! I bought myself a bottle on the way back from France a couple years later but it never suited me. Don't know if I got a reformulation or not. And then it became my best friend's favourite scent. I don't mind how the current one smells although I agree it is different. I still don't feel like it is me though.
Thanks! I am really on the cusp of decluttering Sì, I just don't love it and I never really have. I did like Fiori but the passione one I really don't like.
I think Alien is one that does give off a very distinctive trail, well at least the older formulation does. And I can see why you'd be taken with it, it's literally Alien! Like it landed from somewhere else. I didn't used to think the new formulation suited me either actually. But I feel more me in the old one. I know that sounds weird 😂
Nice video Claire. Are you one to go hunting for old formulation bottles? I am trying to avoid chasing discontinued or old formulation perfume bottles.
I don't normally but I was so so curious about Alien and Angel was one I'd had for a few years. It's interesting to compare. I think fragrance is such a fast moving market with the release of >6000 fragrances per year, that it is hard never to talk about something which is discontinued. E.g. angel muse is now discontinued, si Fiori, bamboo, Gucci flora. All this year...
@@dr.claire.perfume Fragrance houses are doing too much 🤣 over 6000 new releases a year is a lot. It's hard to keep up.
Indeed! Fewer and better would be preferable! 😊
Great video Claire, thanks! I remember loving the old version of Angel edp back in the day, but the new one I cannot bare 🥴 The patchouli comes off like cat pee on me, same with Angel muse. Whatever patchouli they use now I cannot tolerate. The new Angel EDT however is quite nice and sparklier. The patchouli seems a lot more toned down. Do you have any thoughts on the new EDT version? I'm considering picking this up to add to the collection at some point 🤔 xx
I tried the EDT recently, it's almost like an upside down Angel in that the patchouli gets less strong as the fragrance goes on. It's got that lovely sparkly apple too. I'm not a fan of apple normally but I quite like the EDT 😊
I also struggle with angel muse. I've tried it a few times and I don't think it's for me. Thanks for watching 😘
@@dr.claire.perfume yes, that's it! You explain it so well. Think I'll pick up a small bottle of the EDT. The bottles are too cute not to own at least one😍 If L'Oréal could somehow refine the patchouli they use to smell more appealing, then there might be hope for the EDP one day 🤞🤩 xx
Ooh I love this. We need some empirical studies on biases in perceptions towards fragrances. I have never looked into it, tbh (I‘m in linguistics and cultural studies), but there must be studies published in social psychology journals, quantitative and qualitative research could both reveal some interesting results. I would love to find out about the gender divide for instance. How do people perceive fragrances that are marketed as masculine and ones marketed as feminine and how different are their perceptions if they simply don‘t know what they are smelling. Maybe we could have our own experiments and find out? The whole question of personal biases is so interesting, and what do they say about our values and attitudes?
Yes the whole issue of masculine and feminine marketed fragrances and note profiles is problematic in general. I do think it hugely influences what people even sample, let alone what they think of fragrances. Blind sampling would produce very different results I think! Interestingly, I gave a mini bottle of lveb to someone who hadn't heard of it, she told me that she thought it smelt very masculine, so I guess patchouli had that connotation for some people. It would be interesting to do more tests for sure! Thanks for watching ❤️
Hi Claire, thanks for this amazing video 🤩 Not sure why fragrance houses do this, they market the newer formulation as the original old ones, when there are differences in the way the same fragrances actually smell. And i must admit i am not happy when they do this , since i am expecting to buy the same scent and fragrance, as the original old formulation. Funny thing, in stores they would not inform you either that yiu are actually about to purchase a newer version😂
Thank you 😊 I don't think most sales assistants even know to be honest. Maybe it depends on the brand and the shop? I think it would be better for formulation numbers to be added to boxes and bottles. You could then use that reference to check what you were buying on a website. That would make everything so much clearer. 🥰
@@dr.claire.perfume Agreed on that with you 🥰🥰
Thank you Claire 👏👏 I had no idea that fragrances ever get reformulated! Not sure that I was ever aware that popular fragrances would be tampered with! Why change the recipe when you have a beloved popular product! I when I was you younger I would wear Calvin Klein Escape. A fresh youthful fragrance that I loved in my 20s and early 30s. Three years ago I was in the local drug store and stumbled upon my beloved fragrance and on the spot purchased it. I was so excited rushed home to open the box took out a now plastic not glass bottle and sprayed it on waiting for good memories to rush back to me and all I got was a very bad headache! The fragrance was nothing like the original it was a horrible cheap smell that immediately had me wash out all of. I thought my love for the fragrance must have changed drastically how could I have loved something so horrible. Well you answered that clearly it has been reformulated and it very very different from the original scent. 😳😳
Yes I do think escape has been reformulated. That's a calone based fragrance I think, or at least it was, it's one of the more famous examples of a watery feeling fragrance in its original formulation. Scents get reformulated for various reasons but usually it's cost or because ingredients are banned or regulated with tolerated limits. Thanks for watching 😊
Calvin Klein's 'Eternity' is where I learnt how reformulations an cause heartache :)
The original was incredible and 2 sprays lasted a full 8 hours as strong as when it was originally applied.
I still wear it as its close enough scent wise but longevity is bit sad.
Also Lolita Lempicka is a shocking reformulation scent wise and longevity. Shouldn't still be called by the same name just how you described Si was/is.
With Si edp I was not a fan but I have Si Intense in the black bottle and the newer Si Intense (orange/amber bottle) and I love these very very much.
Cloud edp has been reformulated and doesn't last as long but is still nice.
But I have 2 bottles before reformulation.
So what I learnt from Eternity is that if you seriously love something when it first comes out buy multiples.
I have at least 2 backups of my favourites.
Really enjoyed your video ☆☆☆
That is great advice. There are a few I regret not having backups of. I tried eternity original formulation and yes, it was potent! I've not tried Lolita lempicka but the talk of the reformulations really put me off. I feel like Sì is not really me, but the reformulation is night and day in comparison, they are so so different. Thanks for watching ❤️ happy new year!
Dear Claire, I was looking for the video where you explained what to look out for in the vintage bottles of Alien and Angel and can´t find it... Angel used to be my signature sent ten years ago.
Hmm, I don't think I've done a video like that, but there are some useful resources from people in the forums on Fragrantica, those are worth having a look at. Basically the signature on the side of the Angel bottle changes and the fonts for the Thierry Mugler logo change over time too, also the address changes on the bottom of the bottles. Watch out though, there are so many fakes, but more for Alien than Angel. The vintage bottles do appear more often for Angel than Alien secondhand on sites like eBay in the UK, but I don't know how frequent you would see them in other countries. Good luck finding a bottle. 🍀
Thanks so much 🙏😌
I have Alien essence absolute and I do get a bit of that menthol like note. This fragrance is absolutely lovely. It is like sparkling, cozy, vanilla soda, Dr Pepper-ish kinda….just smells good and makes you want to snuggle. Lol
I have tried a sample and yes, very much the same vibe with the opening and really a very lovely fragrance 🥰
I prefer the older formulations I love the non bias science behind this 😊 Angel is probably the only fragrance I see the hugest difference in, I think my old formulation has lost some of the patchouli punch that I loved the new formulation smells more like honey 🍯 you are so on point! Love our Dr Claire 🤗
It's hard not to biased about this for sure. Im still not sure I entirely achieved it, but other people's reactions to these fragrances definitely helps to provide perspective. Thanks for watching Sunny ☺️
Completely agree with your take on Angel and I also prefer the vintage. Alien on the other hand I prefer the reformulation as the vintage is super indolic and smells musky/dirty on me where the newer one smells more intoxicating and addicting to me. It’s so funny how body chemistry works
I can get that with the new Alien, the new one is cleaner and less heady. It's just personal choice. 😊 Thanks for watching ❤️
This is how you end up stalking ebay for "old formula" and don't get me started on the Guerlain classics!
For sure! 🤣 that is exactly what's happened... thanks for watching 🥰
I tend to be pretty sceptical about reformulations and people claiming how something has been ruined or changed beyond recognition. But then I think of some of the scents that I own that have changed a lot. Armani Si used to be so rich and sophisticated, nothing like the new formula, as you pointed out. And my friend who’s not into fragrances noticed the same. But then again, the fact that the juice has aged and got dark in 5 or more years could also be used as one possible explanation. I like that you used a more scientific approach to approach the question of reformulation. Because let’s be honest, some people here on CZcams overly exaggerate when they talk about reformulations.
I totally agree! Perspective is needed. Sì is the most different of the three fragrances here and that showed with how others perceived or didn't the differences in sì and the other fragrances. Showing what other people think, who aren't sniffing fragrances all the time, shows that even with the reformulations, in general, the original DNA is maintained. I was truly absolutely happy with 2020 Alien when I bought it and I still do wear it, but if I'm doing something special, I wear the vintage one! 😉 Thanks for watching ❤️
I have 1992 Angel - can definitely tell it apart from new Angel - I do love new Angel - it’s lighter not as dense - love the chocolate patchouli in the OG
I think the new one is more everyday wearable, not something I would have to mentally prepare myself for smelling like for days 🤣 but the old one is so rich, caramelised and chocolatey that it's got me 😉
I have "older" formulation of both Si and Alien and I havent bought or smelled the new ones. I am conflicted on wether or not to let go of the older ones especially that I have flankers to both of these. For now I will keep both but might be decluttering in the future.
There are a lot of people searching for the older formulations so you wouldn't have any problems selling them should you want to. Personally I would keep them if you enjoy them, they are gold. I think smelling the new Sí will be a huge shock... It's so different...
I have an original formulation of Si from 2013 and a new formulation. I think the original one is potent and the new one is very watered down and seems fresher. I like both though😉
I guess the new Sì is more wearable all year round, the old one was a bit heavy for summer.
I only recently got into Angel by falling in love with the current formulation when smelling it at a department store. I wasn't sure if I liked it at first, but there was just something about it... I just kept going back to it. After maybe like six months I ended up getting a 10ml travel size (I never purchased designer perfumes before; only celebrity ones, so I didn't wanna commit to a full size bottle). A few months after that I purchased the Glamorama edition from 2014 on eBay and I much prefer the older formulation. I'm sure there's still a difference between the 2004 and 2014 versions, so I'd love to get my hands on any even older bottle one day!
Wow, that sounds like a very rare find indeed! Yes I think Angel has been reformulated a number of times and the inconsistency of the date codes between the Thierry Mugler bottles, the Clarins owned Mugler bottles and the l'oreal owned Mugler bottles makes dating Angel EDP a bit of a challenge 😂. I hope you manage to find an older bottle. The thicker atomiser and the slanting signature on the side of the metal part are the things to look put for! If you love Mugler, did you see my Mugler brand history video? czcams.com/video/WEcdVhn1Obs/video.htmlsi=i_frVgEFTmzVUwN7
Hello Claire,
I think in older formulations more naturals were used. Naturals are more complex than the molecules that have been created to replace them and I think our noses and brains can differentiate the differences, especially if you are smelling the old and new formulas side by side. Whether it's because of new regulations or not, as a requirement by regulation in the EU, things are different. I bet the manufacturers are hoping no one has older formulas to compare with... But they are out there and when you love something a change can be quite disappointing. I find a lot of modern chemicals scratchy or less nuanced than the naturals they have replaced. Here is to hoping they find a way to make them better or use naturals along with the chemicals to get the better fragrance from naturals and longevity from the chemicals out of a blend. That's my thoughts on it.... I guess if if's a bad reformulation don't buy it, they will either try harder or let a fragrance be discontinued. That's the only power we have as consumers. I am generally in the older formulas were better, richer and longer lasting 'camp'. Thanks for your video and take care! - Jenn
I think that's the problem really, some of the time people aren't aware of whether a fragrance has been reformulated until they've bought it. I think it was quite telling how people in general couldn't tell the difference between these different formulations, it's only going to be hardcore fans who've worn them for a while or people who are sniffing them side by side as you say. I think regulatory changes have certainly forced some reformulations. It must be annoying for brands to have to deal with that. Thanks for watching ❤️
I adore patchouli and think I always will. Never smelled Si, new or old. Will keep an eye out for it in the store. I know they must have done something to Dune; this was one of my favorites and smells odd now (and it's not cheap so that really fries me). I have never smelled Angel or Alien and look forward to it. Years ago in college I wore Heaven Sent and it smelled so good on me, and boy has that changed. I never reach for it. Poison too, was a favorite of mine and my late mom's and what on earth did you do, Dior????!!!! Agent Provocateur has become my new favorite. I worked with a woman who wore Blue Jeans perfume and while I didn't dislike it, it gave me an asthma attack.
I really want to find some vintage Dune! I've heard so much about that fragrance and I'm so intrigued! Poison is not as strong as it once was, it's gentler now. Agent provocateur have some great fragrances for a low pricepoint, it's a shame the brand no longer makes perfumes. Thanks for watching 🥰
I've never been a fan of Si. As a matter of fact, I've always disliked it. Some time ago I decided to give it another try and I tested the newest formulation. I agree, it smells different than the old one, however I still hate this perfume 😬 I also think that fans of the old Si should rather check Si Intense from 2021; I've heard it's much closer to the original.
Great video, Claire! I find it very useful especially for ppl who have no idea about the reformulation.
Yes! I've heard that too! I guess that one is much easier to find than old Sì. I have a like hate relationship with Sì. I really don't think it's me. It might be a declutter afterall... Thanks for your very useful comment ☺️
I feel the same way about Si. Dislike it big time. So does my daughter. But my friend liked it, so I gave her my bottle.
I wear it and it's just a bit thick and too much for me. It can give me a headache.
@@dr.claire.perfume there is a note in it that makes it offensive to my nose. Not sure what it is, but it hits in the face from the first spray and lingers for a long time. I was so sad this one didn't work out because I really wanted to like it, especially because Si Passione did well for me.
Good day, Claire 🌹 I only own flankers of these fragrances, so I’m not sure what the originals smell like, especially the old ones. I did smell Alien recently and I liked it, but not enough to purchase a bottle since it was very close to my flanker, Eau Sublime. My Si Intense 2021 version is also really nice, so again, I’m not interested in the regular Si. As for Angel, my two flankers are nowhere near the original and that’s a good thing, since I’m not keen on smelling like BO 😅
Haha, yes Angel is certainly not for everyone. It definitely has a bit of whiff about it but the dry down is beautiful. I think Mugler is definitely flankered out with Alien. Sì intense is supposed to be pretty similar to the original Sì formulation. It's quite strange how much Armani have changed it 🤷♀️ I hope you have a good week! ❤️
@Claire Smith thank you, sweetie, you also 😘
Hey Dr. Claire. I’m early.
Yes very! Hello! Hope you are well! ☺️
Really good video. Maybe I'm remembering the old angel wrong but this new formulation just doesn't hit me the same way and I don't think I could justify the price point like when I originally got it.
I'm curious if there are any dupes for angel that more closely resemble the original formula?
Thanks! ❤️ Angel has definitely changed. I'm actually not sure about dupes / clones for it... Angel does have a lot of clones, so it's possible! I just stick to buying vintage bottles when I see them at an affordable price. Thanks for watching 🥰
@@dr.claire.perfume thanks so much, i might try that approach, thanks for respoding ♥
No worries 🙂
Hi doc,
So would you say each and every fragrance becomes potent after it’s turned old ?
I don't know really, by definition I don't have a vintage new bottle and a vintage old bottle to compare 🤣 I do think fragrances can get more potent as they age but they can also lose potency or even degrade. It's hard to tell which differences are between formulations and which are simply because of age. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching ❤️
My Si samples actually smell richer than the bottle and they're all new.
I agree it smell mature. even a bit vintagey like how perfume used to smell in the 90 - cologney.
Si really grew on me😸😸
Do you get the citrussy grapefruit thing in the beginning with the samples? I am wondering! Sì is one that I have to be in the mood for 😉
@@dr.claire.perfume The samples are sweet black currant and soapy rose and wood.
The bottle start woody and then Rose and a hint of sweetness, but I feel that it changed a bit since I opened it. Could be my nose is picking different things at different occasions😬
Maybe, who knows?! We all smell what we smell! ☺️
I think that the time that passed since the perfume created (aging) and I think the refill is more prone to air and it could give it it's depth.
But I do agree that the new formuations are not as good as the old ones and won't age as good as the old ones😿
For sure! The age of the fragrance will probably have changed how it smells at least a little, maybe a lot. That's the risk with buying vintage fragrances. I guess perfume companies sometimes have to reformulate, but some are just so so different! 🤷♀️
Another fab video. I owned Angel a lifetime ago and did not like it. In the end I threw it away - I know 😱. In my defence I was young and dumb..
I don’t know if I’d like the new formulation. I like how the older version smelled on others just not on me. I do regret throwing it away now.
I remember smelling Alien when it first came out and backing away. I still don’t love the olfactory assault that is Alien but I can see why people are upset about the reformulation. The new version, imo, is more linear and lacks the character of the old version.
I haven’t used or even smelled Si so I can’t comment but if I did like the new, I would still wonder what previous offerings smelled like.
Thanks Claire for another thought provoking video.
I can really see that both angel and alien provoke strong reactions and I agree, that for me they are things that I've only come to enjoy later in life.
Yes, Alien now is more linear and less interesting.
I was really shocked by how different Sì is now and in a way, that is what prompted this video because that reformulation is really the most striking of the 3.
Thanks for watching, have a good week! 🥰
You have a lovely week too. 💕
Thank you!
Hi, I came across this video a bit late but I have a question- does maceration play a role in how the older versions smell different than the newer ones? Perhaps the newer ones haven’t been sitting around for that long and hence smell weaker?
I think that certainly comes into fragrances smelling slightly different but with ones like alien, where I've had the new bottle for a few years and the juice is still clear when the old one is bright orange, it's certainly a major reformulation. I don't think any of these are a case of simple ageing compared to a new bottle but yes, I definitely agree that a fragrance that is 2/3 years old will smell slightly different to one fresh out of the factory. Thanks for watching 🥰
I swear they changed Paco R lady million , I had a bottle in the early 2000 s or when it came out , I recently bought a new one edt because I’ve been missing that sent and it doesn’t smell the same , no memories came back , so I bought the perfume one . Still nothing they both smell different. This was my signature sent for 3 yr 😢 I wish they wouldn’t do this
Yes it's really upsetting and quite a let down if you bought the bottle already. Formulation numbers on boxes and bottles would allow people to easily check. I find it a bit underhand that perfume brands hide reformulations in the main. Thanks for watching ❤️
Just wanted to mention that it's not a matter of being allergic to perfume in general. It's that a particular element of the perfume can cause an allergic response. This is often down to patchouli. I know because it affects me; my eyes start to water, my throat tickles, my nose stuffs up and my head will start to pound. These are all classic allergic responses. I am fine with any other perfume that doesn't contain patchouli.
Yes I agree that it's likely to be one specific ingredient rather than the entire formulation. It must be difficult to find fragrances, I bet you hated when patchouli was really in and being used in pretty much everything! Good for you that that trend is dying out a little! 😊
I haven’t been into perfume long enough to express any frustrations. 😆 I take every formulation for what it is without looking further… 🤷🏻♀️
I think that's pretty much the take away of this video really, because it's about when you first smell things as to which formulation you are familiar with. If you don't try the others, it's probably for the best and they take so much hunting down... Best to let sleeping dogs lie.
However, the problem comes here with Sì, if I talk about that fragrance and then someone goes to try it in store, they will likely think I am not describing it very well as my old formulation smells almost completely different to the new formulation. 🤷♀️
I have a slightly different situation. The Dua house, besides duping current perfumes or creating their own, also occasionally reproduces the first formulation of a perfume, when they run across a viable original. I was very excited to see that they had the first 1919 formulation of Mitsouko as well as the first 1933 formulation of Vol de Nuit. These would be virtually impossible to find otherwise. My bottles of Mitsouko and Vol de Nuit are probably from the '80s, early '90s. The 1919 Mitsouko is a lot lighter and sharper than mine; it seems to have more citrus coming through. My Mitsouko seems a little darker, with the notes not as distinguishable separately. The 1933 Vol de Nuit has that very '20s/'30s chypre-oriental vibe. Very rich. However, my Vol de Nuit is only an eau de cologne, while the Dua dupes are extrait de parfums. So it's probably not a good comparison.
Ooh that's really interesting! I never really thought about dupe houses searching for perfumes and remaking ones that are from that long back. Wow, I wonder how intact the top notes are in the fragrances they find to analyse to make the dupes or whether they have the formulations sourced from records? It's such a window on the past isn't it? I used to love smelling my grandmother's old fragrances and thinking about what she wore and where and how she smelt when she was 60 years younger. It's fascinating! 😊
How fascinating! I was a collector of Dua fragrances and I have amassed so many due to curiosity and mainly affordability. As a result I own Dua version of Miss Dior Cherie, supposedly the original formulation with popcorn note. Since I never smelled the original, I have nothing to compare it to, however it’s quite nice and different from everything else I own. My experience with Dua taught me to let the new bottles sit for months before I start using the fragrances due to maceration process. They get better with time 😊
@@sweetsimpleslowlife2709 I have the Miss Dior Cherie as well:) It's lovely. I also have the first formulation of Hypnotic Poison. Often I don't have a sample of the original perfume being duped, so I just have to take it on faith and judge it by itself.
You did a wonderful job here, except for one thing…. You can indeed look up old batch codes for Thierry Mugler perfume. Instead of selecting Clarions or L’Oreal you select Thierry Mugler and enter the batch code. I just looked up bottles yesterday made in 2000-2003 with the old batch codes that start with a letter followed by 5 or 6 digits. Let me know how you get on
Thanks! ❤️ Is this on check fresh? I just had a look there, and even for Thierry Mugler, it comes up with an image of a L'Oréal Armani batch code as an example... Some of my older Thierry Mugler batch codes are just one letter and one number, e.g. my Alien essence absolue, so I am not sure 😂
@@dr.claire.perfume hmm, so I looked up a few of my angel bottles that were made in early 2000’s 2003 & 2004 to be exact. They start with a letter and a 5-6 digit code (ugh…let me look exactly 😂 ZC15057 (I have several from this batch) and another from A12162. Is it possible that you’re looking up 90’s code’s maybe? Yes, from check fresh. If you check the codes I gave you you’ll see the bottles and 17 & 18yrs old, but I’m thinking yours predate these. As long as I have Angel prior to 2009 I’m happy lol 😂 I’m not sure when the formula changed but these bottles are consistent and don’t smell like whatever they currently sell. I’m not so familiar with Alien…at the time I didn’t like it, I was an Angel girl through and through and still am!! I just don’t want to ever run out of it!! I’m crushed when companies Re-formulate bcuz it’s never the same, never as good as the original ♥️💙. I sure wish you could find your Alien batch dates though, but maybe it’s a good thing you can’t, because they’re THAT vintage 😁🎉
@@dr.claire.perfume do your old Alien bottles have just two letters for batch code? That’s frustrating 😡
Thank you, I will check my Angels and try those! I think those have longer numbers... I remember being really worried when I first got my bottle of Alien Essence Absolue and double checking that the batch codes were right because I'd never seen ones that short before for Thierry Mugler, but yes, apparently they did do those too. It is extremely confusing! I agree, I am just not interested in the new Mugler fragrances at all, nor the reformulations. I also made a video on the history of the Mugler brand if you are interested, it is here: czcams.com/video/WEcdVhn1Obs/video.htmlsi=Slm-RoECM55c7z1m
The refill doesnt seem to have a code, my full vintage bottle that I just bought has a longer code, I will try that too. ❤️
I don’t know if my first bottle of Si was an old version or not ? But with the new bottle I don’t reach for it as much, it does smell different to me 🤷♀️but it could be my nose ,i wish I had kept the old bottle then I could have checked the bar code on line
Did you notice any colour difference with the new one? Maybe that's just the vanilla ageing but my new sample was very light in colour in comparison. Sì was for sure the one that I felt was the most different of these three. Other people independently agreed too. I think this is it really, how often do people have both formulations in front of them? Most consumers will perhaps think, ooh that smells a bit different the first time they open the new bottle, but then they perhaps think they're mistaken and just forget the old version with trying the new one more. There has to be the question, if there is a difference, will it matter to most people? I think the answer may be most no.
@@dr.claire.perfume I think the new bottle is definitely lighter in colour and seems sharper ,the old bottle was much smoother and I craved it so much I flew through that bottle in less than a year 🤷♀️I don’t have a super great nose like you do ,where I can put my finger on exactly what is different? But it’s sharp enough to know there is a difference ,if that makes sense 🤷♀️
I got so much sharp citrus in the beginning of the new Sì and yes, it's just not as smooth or deep and syrupy, so I agree. Lol and I am not sure I have a great nose either 😂 I can tell they are different though.
I WOULD LIKE TO TELL ME IF YOU KNOW ,WHERE CAN I BUY THE OLD FORMULATION OF ALIEN MUGLER PERFUME?
I LIKE VERY MUCH THIS PERFUME BUT I MISS THE OLD FORMULA.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
I bought mine secondhand on eBay, it took a lot of searching 🤣 My tip would be to look at how the bottle had changed over the years and learn to recognise what an old one looks like. Some people simply don't know what they have... I have a video coming in a few weeks about how to choose, buy and find a good deal on secondhand fragrances too. Thanks for watching 🥰
I'll never forget the first time I smelled Alien back in the early 2010's. I went to an Ulta and the sales girl very excitedly told me about Alien and how it was the best and she wore it herself etc. Let me start by saying I'm rather easily offended by fragrances and like light fresh scents. When she sprayed Alien for me I literally recoiled, I still to this day have never smelled a perfume so offensive. If she hadn't been so excited and enthusiastic I would have thought for sure she was pulling my leg lol because to my mind there was no way anyone would think that stuff smelled good. At any rate I know fragrance is subjective and I know Alien is loved by many, but that experience has stuck with me to the point where I refuse to smell any Mugler perfumes lol.
What a fab story! I think that was exactly my experience when I first tried Alien 🤣 I couldn't believe anyone would wear it, I loved lighter fresher fragrances, sparkly aquatics and light florals like peony and Alien was just nothing close to that. It took me 13 years to go back to it but my tastes in perfume have expanded and changed. I do see the beauty in it now, but I also totally understand the feelings of those who do not! 🥰
@@dr.claire.perfume I'm afraid my taste hasn't changed much at all, I'm more open to gourmand fragrances now but still super easily offended. I wish I liked more styles of perfume, especially hearing others talk about how much they love this or that but still find most things to be just too much for me. Thanks for the reply, I love your videos and will subscribe 🙂
Well at least you know what you like! In some ways that is easier because you know you aren't going to turn around in 6 months and hate something you previously loved! Steady tastes are really the easiest to predict and deal with. Thanks so much for subscribing, I really appreciate it. ❤️
I love Alien, but I can’t imagine it being even stronger. The newer one is nuclear 😅
🤣 they are both pretty strong yes but the old one seems to be more noticeable and leave a bigger trail.
I'm having such a hard time with Angel, by Thierry Mugler. The original was perfect. It seems, they have annihilated the best version of it. It's the only Parfum I could, and would wear. We must have a symbolic funeral for it... Maybe then, I could bury it and move past it. I believe there was wood and even tobacco in the original formula. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the ingredients of the original so I could attempt to at least get a similar elixir with my essential oils and use it in my diffusers... Original Angel, by TM, used to help me sleep... Now, insomnia is keeping me awake...
That's such a shame, and yes, I agree TM fragrances are essentially dead now. The new flankers are more lancôme dross with little invention. RIP Angel, such a beautiful and complex fragrance in its original formulation. I hope you find something to help you to sleep. Thanks for watching ❤️
To me Angel (OG) smelled like sweet fruitchouli, start with Melon. The spices come later.
The new one smells like a blast of spices, clove dominant.
But I'm not very familiar with Mugler
I think angel is extremely hard to describe. I feel like different bottles smell a little different. I had another old bottle and that one was heavier patchouli rather than chocolatey than the old formulation bottle I have left. I think it's understandably had several formulations since 1992!
@@dr.claire.perfume Totally. and also more factors as they do effect perfume. In my life I had 2 bottles of perfume turn : Acqua di gio - I lived in a super hot climate (Eilat) and wasn't so caring for the conditions. And another one (kept in the bathroom).
It's really annoying isn't it?! I had DKNY be delicious turn towards the end of the bottle, I used the last 5-10ml super fast. And also Burberry touch was a bit weird towards the end. They have this really strange plasticky smell sometimes.
@@dr.claire.perfume Oh yeah. On my bottles the ADG was gross and the other one (Che by Chevignon) smelled gross but after a while becaome pretty much like it was (spicy scent).
I think the "softer" scents are more likely to turn
Yes! Citrus too. 🤷♀️
Unfortunately I feel that almost all perfumes we're reformulated and all perfumes before 2020 were better. I know, I know I sound insane.🤯
I get it, I think most had better longevity from what people say but maybe it's rose tinted spectacles. There is a lot more diversity now with scent profiles and so many brands and fragrances to explore. I guess not everyone wants super strong 24/7. I know I don't. Thanks for watching ❤️
@@dr.claire.perfume Not sure if it was for my comment?
Sorry my comment was quite random 🤣 thinking is quite challenging right now. Bit ill 🤒 but I guess what I was trying to say is, it's hard to tell because most of the time, we don't have these perfumes to compare.
@@dr.claire.perfume Sorry to hear, get well soon🧡🧡
That's true most scents don't smell like the notes listed even
For sure! And thank you! Me too 😊
My sister wore Angel the whole time she was here in June and I realized I don’t like it LOL
It can be a bit much can't it? I think it can be OTT. It's one I have to be in the mood for. In super cold weather and wearing a jumper is when I wear Angel. ❄️
I’ll forever be mad that I put off buying a full bottle of Alien for so many years, so my strategy now is to just not think about it ever. (Which means I really should’ve skipped the last section of this video😭)
Aww! Sorry! Honestly the differences are minimal unless they are side by side for comparison, but it is really sad that the new one is just not quite as striking if you have tried the old version and remember it. 🥰
Second !!!!
Almost! You are pretty quick on the draw 😂 🥈
@@dr.claire.perfume hahaha yes I am
Alien's reformulation really hurts me lol.... I miss the original so much. People would chase you down.. I don't get that anymore lol
Yes a few people have said that to me, a few guys have said that they have gone up to women to ask what it was too! Such a shame they changed it! Thanks for watching ❤️
My gosh, I bought a new bottle of Angel last week and I’m really pissed of about this new reformulation!!! On my skin it last about 20 minutes and the smell is something like sweat sport shoes, and stop. The worst synthetic patchouly I ever smell. Over all the thing that makes me angry is the price: 123,99€ for a 50ml of this horror angel? No. A big no.
I definitely smell the slightly sweaty thing in the new Angel and it's strong and early on. I agree, the new one is disappointing and not something I'd buy, it's a shame Mugler/ L'Oréal reformulated it. Thanks for watching ❤️
Firssssstt!!!😺😺
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You beat me to the punch !!! LOL
@@HappinessSparkles 😸😸
Well...
Let's start at the end, the new Alien is like seeing your ex with a fat version of yourself lacking any personality or charm. Maybe even gets excited listening to JRM. Yea they have the same distant relationship they just aren't like. Like it was reformulated by some influencer who did one of them "first impressions" videos they never follow up on and smell it once for five minutes. People nowadays will never understand the beauty or why it was so groundbreaking. Yes they should never ever ever try the older one. I guess it's like reading game of thrones first then crying at the crime and butchering they did in the show...
Well that's out the way 🤣 Angel I'm not as familiar with the new version, that I think I've smelt once and remember it just being sweeter. Infact I say new I mean a newer older one.
Si I quite liked... I suspect the new different version probably not.
And yes we are bias cos well you know when we buy something we should be told it's not what we're actually buying. If the next bar of galaxy I bought tasted of fish I'd not be best pleased and in fairness on chocolate it does actually say new recipe. I don't get what sort of corruption and bungs are being paid by probably particularly one very letigus brand I shan't name is going on for it to be legal to not only not declare a reformulation but sometimes to straight up lie about it... Most odd indeed, especially when u consider most perfumes come from an area of the world with uber strict consumer laws and protections 🙄
Well the Alien part of that comment felt like a bit of therapy. 😂 Glad you let it out. I get it though. I think the interesting thing is that the people I asked to smell it didn't think it was different if they didn't smell the menthol. It's not going to be different enough to most otherwise without a side by side comparison. Although clearly you are the exception. I know you said that you tried the new one and were horrified. I was wondering actually, if you do do a comparison, should I send you a decant of my new alien bottle? Cos I've no clue that L'Oréal haven't reformulated it again since either 🤣 it's possible. I know they had to reformulate the EDT and so instead they just discontinued it. 🤷♀️
Angel is sweeter and just less patchouli generally but I actually found it hard to tell them apart for sure. Maybe I just wasn't as familiar with the new formulation? The caramelised chocolatey-ness has definitely changed. Again, I can send you the two versions if you want to compare.
Sì is extremely disappointing now. I wasn't ever a fan of it because of how it makes me feel but I did think that the syrupy fermented thing with the rose was nice if not just a bit much for me. That grapefruit probably won't be for you I don't think 🤷♀️
I don't really understand why fragrance houses don't have to fully list their ingredients. People copy with GC-MS anyway, so what's the issue? At least people would be able to see. Also they could just put edition numbers on their packaging when they change the formulation, that way the consumer wouldn't be unaware of what they are potentially getting. I've even heard of tester bottles being out and being the old formulations but the ones for sale being the new. That is just wrong and deceitful.
@@dr.claire.perfume it's just frankly bizarre it's the only industry that could ever get away with it. I cannot think of another example, even bloody washing up liquid says "new" doesn't it. It's like buying paracetamol only to realise it has a bit of Opium and frog nails in there. It makes no sense at all now it's legal.
Yea I still with the Alien I'll defo compare them you know me, I need a few days free to be very angry and ranty 🤣.
I wonder if there will come a day when Mugler sue them and take the names off them before it sets fire to a legacy of one of the greatest brands there's ever been. Like some British car company Wayne and Dave buying Bentley and putting Fiesta engines in there with Escort interior and claiming they are still Bentley... Just no no no
I actually have no idea whether the people who run the Mugler fashion house have anything to do with the Thierry Mugler legacy now either. I find it a bit sad that individual's artistic visions are just crushed by brands being sold to larger companies, but I guess that's their choice to some degree. It must be sad for the people who worked at Mugler during the clarins era.
I wonder what would happen to a brand who decided to declare all their fragrance ingredients on their packaging. Is there one already? Small batch production makes fragrances special in the indie world so logically formulation numbers shouldn't be a negative in the designer world.
@@dr.claire.perfume you know you're right at the end there. We have indie so no need to complain, there is thankfully some creativity and good stuff about
I undrestand trying to be positive but the new Lei is a faint and flat shadow of what it was.
It's a trend, almost all perfumes are now like that. We're being scammed in my opinion.
Lei Vs she was not great was it?! I was disappointed and I didn't try Lei more than a few times in store. It wasn't my signature scent like it is for you. I am sorry your favourite has changed. 😭
@@dr.claire.perfume I will gladly send you a sample of what it was, try the new in store you will see how different it is (they added grapefruit or something that smell like that. bad. and poor longevity. The OG lasts all day on me and that's rare)
@@silverliningfragrance1434 I tried both, I only tried she a few weeks back, which is what made me ask you whether you had because it wasn't much at all like I remembered Lei. 😭
@@dr.claire.perfume Me neither. I didn't even knew about it, or I would get backup bottles. Too late now. It was a sneaky snakey move, I'm disappointed by Armani.
You do wish they'd announce their plans and give you some warning really! It's so annoying.
Today's Alien is mass appealing. Lack of character and no substance......such a shame
Getting rid of the menthol and the beginning does make it friendlier and the jasmine is toned down in the new one. It's like it's been neutered 😂
All of these smell old and thats why they were reformulated. Si is basically an old lady frafrance. Angel is the nicer one of them but has dated with a sweet chocolate smell. Alien, tbh i never liked this, apart from the top notes to me it smells animalistic with a touch of BO.😢
I guess Angel came out in 1992 and so is old now, but it's also likely to have been reformulated due to IFRA regulatory changes (this was certainly the case a few times with Alien) and also the acquisition of Mugler by L'Oréal. Sí was love it or hate it, the greener blackcurrant smell is not something everyone loves,. especially in the US where blackcurrant is a less common occurrence and flavour in foods 😊 thanks for watching 🥰
I have to say that the 2020 formula of Alien still has the ambery base and is noticeably stronger than the one that is in the counter at the moment. The oldest I could get is a 2018 formula which is great which still has that mentholated sultry jasmine. Dreaming to get one of the first formulas 🥹 The body cream still smells great though, as an Alien addict I would highly recommend
Yes! I think it may have changed again unfortunately... I have a 2018 bottle and I agree, it smells much better than my 2020 and does have the metholated jasmine at the beginning. Ridiculously I have 4 different bottles now 🤣, the other two are much much older... Ooh I will have to check out the body cream, thanks for the tip! Fellow alien obsessive here! If you haven't seen it, I also have a video on the history of Mugler fragrances if you are interested, I posted it about 6 months ago. 😊
Love hearing your thoughts on the comparisons or the two we are fam now 🤝🔔🎉 I hope you will return the favor
Thanks for watching 😊
@@dr.claire.perfume your welcome
These reformulations infuriate me tbh.
I think that's how a lot of people feel. It's actually put me off buying Lolita lempicka reformulations. Maybe I'm missing out, but I just can't work out which version to hunt down 🤣
Fascinating video! I wonder about my bias towards old formulations all the time. And whether my preference for them is due to my attachment to the memories they invoke, rather than the actual fragrance being something I prefer. Example of this is Burberry Brit which i wore for years, but my most recent bottle has been falling flat and feels just… lacklustre. I’ll never be able to compare the current iteration to any of the old ones that I had but i now see it as something like a photograph or holographic rendering of the old fragrance i loved and this helps me to not resent it lol. Bit funny how much we care about these things eh 🥲
I think scent memory and our attachments to things in the past can play a lot into this! I recently tried a fragrance that I last smelt in the 80s and the reformulation was disappointingly jarring. I guess that was just because it wasn't how I'd made it to be in my mind 30+ years later. It wasn't bad, just different. And yes I get that idea that it's hazy and not quite in focus, it's a good analogy and way to think about reformulations.