Restoration - 1965 legendary Czech Watch. Still, fit for diplomatic service?
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2024
- Restoration / repair of a 1965 Prim ala Diplomat watch. Dial the wrong way up, missing a crown and winding stem, sort of ticks when it's in the mood, other than that it's a perfect Wristwatch. Can we fix it? Can old meet new when we introduce some 3D Printing? Let's find out.
The Czech Republic (Czechoslovakia at the time) became the 8th country with the technical capability to produce a mechanical watch, and produce them they did around 13 million in 60 year time period.
00:00 Introduction to Prim Watch company
01:45 Removing the Watch movement from the case
04:30 Disassembling the movement for cleaning
10:44 Disassembling the Keyless Works and Motion works
13:20 Cleaning
14:18 Reassembling the movement and oiling
24:40 Reassembling the Keyless Works and Motion works
31:40 Incabloc shock protection system
33:50 Putting everything together with a 3D printed part - Jak na to + styl
For anyone wanting to see the timegrapher results you can now do so on my Instagram instagram.com/p/CgPG6euMjqf/ - Cheers folks
Voi la! Bon, bon bon!
Right on level, lovely. Thank you for a great view while i grade algebra papers.
Glad you liked it. Thank you for letting me know.
Nice work mate. Makes me feel good that we all aren’t the perfect watchmaker. I like how you leave in the issues.
Even the world's best have the odd cockup. Not that I'm comparing myself to the world's best, but I think it's important to leave in the errors. With the advent of social media, everyone looks perfect, and everything is perfect all the time. I hate that view of things.
@timelybehaviour5318 btw, lovely Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso you are wearing there in your profile pic.
So glad I found your channel! My new favorite of this genre.
Welcome aboard! Thanks glad you liked it.
Like the strap colour and the restored piece, and great use of a display turntable for the action photography.
Thank you, very nice of you to say!
Love the detail in those macro shots. I've seen so many people remove and lubricate the jewel at the tip of the balance wheel but to see the pivot spinning freely once the jewel was removed, makes things so much more clear to absolute beginners like me that are still trying to understand the machanics of horology before diving in. Glad I found your channel.
Glad you got something out of it. I saw in your last comment that you were going to give this a try. Hit me up on Instagram DM if you get stuck or want some advice. Happy to help instagram.com/savingtime_yt/
Good vid, enjoyed the commentary, Thanks! Magnifaction is good, thought Id add.
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for letting me know!
Your knowledge on the History of Russian and Czech made watches.
Prim is Great. Nice finish. And nice work.
Thanks really I appreciate that very nice to hear.
This is excellent macro shots and continuity in editing, I’m not a watchmaker however I have consumed hundreds of hours of watchmaking content and this is professional work!
Thank you, I appreciate hearing that. Glad you liked it and there will be more to come shortly.
What a beautiful movement. Great video
Thank you very much! I actually have this one on wrist right now, awesome watch
thanks for sharing, very interesting watch you don't see often....great job.
Thank you glad you liked it.
Great video. really enjoyed watching it. Thanks! Great to learn about a new watch and the companies history!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the comment
Excellent. Don't change your system. Display visual is just right and the commentary gives the icing. Thank you
I appreciate that thank you. Glad you liked it.
Loved the framing of the shot at 21:40. The symmetry with the split between the two bridges was quite a nice touch.
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words.
Now you are spoiling us ! Skilful "Ye Olde Time" watchmaking, brilliant videography + narration AND new fangled 3D printing!!!
The watch is beautiful and (IMHO) better than todays fad of oversized and bulky watches.
Glad you enjoyed it, and i agree. The mix of old and new tools to get a job done is no bad think IMO thanks for the kind words
Its very therapeutic watching you work, thank you for sharing..cheers.
Thank you!
i'm a massive Wrist Watch Revival fan. Your video is pretty similar, so great job so far!
I'll take that as a compliment, i'm also a bit of a fan boy of Marshall myself
Wish you made more videos! You are very good at explaining and the video quality is awesome, as a new hobby watchmaker doing this for about 8 mths, Im learning a lot from your videos
Thank you In the new year i'm going to try for 2 a month, glad you liked it.
Fixing a watch is one thing but fixing, filming, editing and narrating is what i'd call a job. It must have taken you a fair while to put this together but the final result is extremely professional, Love it.
38:55 I put the movement dial side up on a case cushion, fit the case over it. With one hand gently press the crystal with your index finger while gripping the sides of the case cushion with your thumb and ring/little finger. Then carefully lift and invert the whole lot.
And John Harwood invented the automatic wristwatch so at least we've got that one.
Thanks for the kind words and the tip :) yes it took a while glad you liked it
All the best
David
Very well made video!! Closeups are great and your narration is very good too.!!
Im still pretty new to the filming so i appreciate you saying. Thank you
Nicely done! That was very fun to watch and I love how it came out.
Thanks Mike Glad you liked it. Happy New Year to you and yours. I love your content
Excellent job! Repairing and servicing watches is not an easy thing to do, but you do it very well and very candidly. Looking forward to seeing your future videos!! 🙌
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words.
great job 😍
Thank you! 😊
Love it mate,
ÓTIMO SERVIÇO MUITO BOM 👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 🇧🇷
That is a beautifully made watch
There are a lot of Prim watches with this Cal. 66 movement, worth picking up if you see one IMO.
Prim is a really good brand 👍
Very pleased with the channel.. quite high potential! Congrats for the efforts you have invested !
Glad you enjoy it! Thank for the kind words.
Nice work! Applying the “right” amount of lubrication is very tricky, and for me, it’s always either too much or doesn’t look like it touched the part at all. Roger Smith quoted George Daniels as saying (perhaps tongue in cheek), if you can see the oil, it’s too much
Thank you! Sounds about right, i'd love to own something by ether of those gentleman.
I watched and can imagine some diy experiments, Q. could the oiler be a small upside down mounted needle, the eye as a oil loader, the norm spade end must dump a noted amount ! Again, marvellous depth of field for a supp. lens, very good macro photography, and every couple of minutes a useful experience hint !
( My work field is in electrical/electronic and many years on 1935 Electro/Mechanic Telemetry, which ranged in size from Oil Circuit breakers to relays & phones with some clock size movements. (33kv -1.5V & 6.5K Amps )
I used to live in Nové Město nad Metují, just down the road from the Prim factory, and somewhere in a drawer I have one of these, but it hasn't worked for years. I'll have to dig it out
That's a very pretty place from what I've seen. Big fan of the old Prims as you can probably tell. I think pretty much all my Czech friends have a Prim sitting in a draw along with the Rybička knife they had as kids. Hell I have one on my key-ring. Good luck if you decide to fix it hope it works out for you.
@@Saving-Time Yes, it is very pretty, but a bit of a one-horse town! Re. the Prim, I think the problem was that one of the screws holding the movement in the case had come loose and had fallen into the movement itself, but I didn't have a screwdriver small enough. So I just put it away and forgot about it, and years of junk have accumulated on top of it.
Might be worth dusting off, the price on some Prim models has gone through the roof lately. The diplomat and the original sport can easily go for over 10k now. Money aside though i think there cool watches to just wear and enjoy. I've only been here for 20 years though so I did not grow up with a Prim in every house and maybe that makes them a bit more exotic for me.
Hello David,
You have inspired me for buying a Prim watch from the Chech republic!
Again a few tips, I hope you do not take it as criticism, I just want to help a bit (as far as I can):
1. Try to unscrew the yoke-plate first for half the way (screws still in) and then release the tension of te yoke cover plate by unlocking it on the change-side (the pivot it is sliding to change function). Also helpful when assembling.
2. In prior video’s you used a coverplastic for the yoke spring. That can go bothe ways, in my experience, the plastic can also get stuck between spring and plate, with the consequence … just use a help stick or a help peace of Rodico as ‘gatekeeper’.
3. You missed the under the ratchet wheel the filling ring when disassembling the barrelbridge. It is nice to get that cleaned as well.
4. Just oil (9010] the pivot of the secondswheel first before placing it in (at the bottom and a tiny bit higher on the pivot)
5.use fixodrop (epilame) on the outer ends of the pallet stones and the teeth of te escape wheel. Do not buy the over expensive device (the bottle) to use fixodrop, the fluid itself is expensive enough. Just protect against evaporizing. It will really keep your special grease (9145) better on its place.
Greetings from NL, Peter
I could use some help buying the ‘right’ Prim watch … Grtz, Peter
Hello Peter the tips are awesome thank you again I am learning it's part of the reason i'm putting myself out there. Your advice is very helpful and most appreciated.
Anything with a Cal. 66 or 68 is good, with the 68 having a date function. There is an auction site here in the Czech Republic where you can find a lot of good deals on Prim watches. aukro.cz/ Unfortunately, a lot of sellers won't ship out of the country. I would be happy to help you get anything you would like to NL or recommend some specific Prims. You can email me if you would like admin@saving-time.link or DM me on Instagram.
Is the mentioned e-mailadres correct?
It should be you can also use david@saving-time.link if you like
Like the way you explain why you do things to minimize risks of damaging these delicate parts, and i see that you tried the rodico on a stick trick, hopes it saves you from some of the fooling around on the floor 😅 have a nice day 😊
My cats love to watch me find parts on the floor, but yes the rodico on a stick works pretty well :D Glad you liked the video.
Could one of these Ebay white cube photo booths be used to stop flighty watch assemblies (in 4planes)
and provide your flat lighting.
Your 3D printing work is awesome!! I am jealous … hi hi 😊
Hi Peter thank you my day job is in the VFX industry I have to say the 3D printer comes in handy quite a bit.
I leave the incabloc balance bridge in. Although on second thought putting the pallets back in with the bridge might be a problem.
It took CZcams 7 months to show me this comment. I swear the comment system is flat out broken. Hope you are doing well sir excuse the delay bloody YT
Very good video!!, clear explanations, superb video and skills. Already subscribed and greetings from Saudi Arabia!!
Thank you greetings from the Czech Republic.
Very nice!
Thank you! Cheers!
I'm glad, that I found somebody on the big YT servicing our watches. I was born Czechoslovak, living in the Czech part of former Czechoslovakia. We are pretty small nation, but from my point of view, we was making good stuff. Not nowadays, but that's life. Prim watches still exist, but the price is not for everyone. Until the 90's, everybody could buy a "homemade" watches with no problem. Prim Sport 2 was my first ever watches, when i was about 15 years old. On czech sites similar to the Ebay, you can still buy some original parts and watches. Nice video sir, thank you for this! Greets from Czech republic!
Hey, sir, sorry for missing your comment. I'm a big fan of Prim, I own a Prim Sport 2, and I've done several Prim's on this channel. I will no doubt be doing my prim TV here at some point i'm sure you know it :)
I am very pleased to find out you have a crap ton more vids. I just sort of stumbled onto your channel. I have been thoroughly surprised. Your an HONEST CZcamsr, HOLY SHITE! I noticed so many BS videos but wondered if it was just me, it wasn't. David's restorations are GENUINE. Anyone else who agrees with my ramblings, help me talk David into doing a patron account. I have dibs on being the 1st. Anyways, later bud! Christopher M. Boise Idaho, USA.
Thank Christopher appreciate the words of support really means a lot!
28:38 that spring design is a game changer ...
why not adopted in other movements 🤨
Yup i do like a captive spring it's on a few other movements, the spring for the hack on the Sportivnie i did was also captive. Glad you liked the video.
Loved the 3d printing hack.
I noticed the bolt holding down the ratchet wheel was mostly stripped (see 6.18 minute mark). Did you replace it off camera?
I saw that, too, but 4 months after you did (I just found the channel). He replied to me that, thanks to you spotting it, he was able to replace it off camera.
Opps sorry atomic I reply to every comment or at least I try to, somehow took your advice and forgot to say thanks. My bad seriously thanks for pointing it out and leaving a time stamp.
@@Saving-Time Just happy I was able to help.
Please please tell what type of oil are you using at the specific oiling point. It would be so much help for fellow watchmaking enthusiasts.
I will for sure attempt to do so in later videos, Thanks for the comment.
Ala diplomaty jsou úžasné… Akorát myslím, že takovéhle těsnění v nich nebylo…
Máš pravdu, netěsní dokonale, ale na tohle to stačí a říkal jsem si, že to je docela elegantní řešení za tchto podmínek. Doufám, že se video líbílo.
@@Saving-Time Ano líbilo, skvělá tvorba
Save time 🤩👍
Hi David found you again presume you have been busy. This is the same movt of my Prim. I just wanted to say that I use my fingers to 🪥 the whole movement. Have done for 30 years glassware is my holder.
The Cal. 66 was probably the best movement prim made along with the Cal. 68 same movement with date. I normally reserve the glassware for my pint :D hope you have been keeping well.
How are you going David. Can find only a couple. I have bought a prim watch and a bell watch so I'll be. Checking them out. Let me know how you are. Your accent is very close to the man on antique road show. He specializes in glass ware. Take care fellow watch man.
Hey John if you send me a pic of the Prim I can track down the Year and cal. for you if you don't already know and are interested. I have the Prim encyclopedia here and it's only available in Czech but I'll translate the info for you if you want it. - All the best
I dont see any problem with the video no need to fix the quality its fine
Thank you appreciate the feedback.
Magnification is good. I have found on mistakes that I'm on the way. I don't do it again. The click for the mainspring, I have heard master watchmaker s call it the Sputnik click. When you look at it it clicks.
Ah yes they will fly at the slightest hint of provocation!
Nice video! Are you from Czech? Because your English is so good :)
Thank you, i'm English but I've lived in the Czech republic for around 18 years.
I’d love to see your printer !
It's nothing fancy just an anet a8 around 150 - 200 USD on aliexpress. There are probably better cheap printers now though. You may see more of it on the channel i 3d print a few tools i use and odd bits so i'm sure it will be in another video soon.
The white UHU tack works better than rodico if you want something cheaper and more tacky
Thank you for the tip.
This caliber looks a lot like a LIP R23, the clic, the wheels, the anchor and anchor bridge look the same and the keyless works or basically identical. It would not surprise me because LIP often sold watchmaking machine and patent to soviet country kind of like the seagull chronograph or the soviet version of the legendary T18
I think they based there early watches around the Lip R 25-3 I believe they indeed brought equipment from Lip
@@Saving-Time LIP is a true icon of French watchmaking, will you work on any? I love servicing them always a pleasure
I will almost certainly do one in the near future I'm a Lip fan
@@Saving-Time you are talking with the biggest fan of all😉 do you have a instagram for this channel?
instagram.com/savingtime_yt/ is my IG i post random watch stuff :) if you post your watch stuff on IG let me know i'd be interested to take a look
Movement looks almost identical to a Bostok
Am watching as I type this. The ratchet wheel screw thread looked stripped.
Well spotted, you are the second person to catch this. I missed it completely during the service. Thanks to the comments I was able to replace it after the video went live. I really appreciate you letting me know.
I will look into PRIM watches for sure. Buying another watch to tinker with could result in my wife puting my nuts in a pin vise.
Small price to pay sir lol The Prims are not to expensive so at least there is that. I recommend picking up anything with a Cal. 66 or Cal.68. Good luck
@@Saving-Time LOL! Thank-you Sir!
Hi. I've the same watch, and I'm looking for a gasket, but nothing. It seems almost impossible to buy the right one 🤷🏼♂️
Please, can you make another one and send to me..?
I will pay you 🙏🏼🙂