HS360 2021 Roller crimped rye no-till soybean test plots follow up.

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  • čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
  • In this video you can follow along with my weekly updates of my roller crimped rye broadcast soybeans no-till experiment during 2021. I tried 2 different methods and also conventional tilled right along side to have a control plot to compare growth stages. A successful hunt bonus footage in the plot footage near the end.

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  • @butt562
    @butt562 Před 2 lety +3

    Best land manger out there! Outstanding video.

  • @sycamoreranch3983
    @sycamoreranch3983 Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks Jake. Best explanation of the process I have seen. Thanks for the dedication!

  • @kurtcaramanidis5705
    @kurtcaramanidis5705 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for sharing. It's so fun to try new methods and compare results. Keeps us engaged and excited.

  • @daronsmith2229
    @daronsmith2229 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thanks for posting. In my humble opinion, one item your missing in order to get the growth on the areas you crimped would be a drill. Using a drill, through the crimped rye, will assure you that you will get proper seed to soil contact. By relying on the broadcast seed to penetrate the thatch you are minimizing the importance of true seed to soil contact.

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thanks for youy honest comments Daron, I may have not made it clear that this was done as a "test project" to see how the broadcast method would work as Ive seen others have good luck not using aa drill. I did however, purchase a drill for all my future planting projects.

    • @daronsmith2229
      @daronsmith2229 Před 6 měsíci

      Thanks for responding. Good stuff!!!

  • @benhershberger6921
    @benhershberger6921 Před 2 lety +1

    Tons of great information. Greatly appreciate the money and work invested into this video.

  • @stevegermain1222
    @stevegermain1222 Před 2 lety +1

    Always enjoy your videos Jake keep on looking for new ones thanks so much

  • @johnblackwood345
    @johnblackwood345 Před 2 lety +4

    Great video Jake. A lot of the material I’ve seen out there when you crimp rye that thick the farmers or habitat guys use one of those expensive drills to plant beans, corn, or seasonal food plots. This is a great reality demonstration for the remaining 98% of us out there. As always your content is appreciated.

    • @chadhouser973
      @chadhouser973 Před 2 lety

      Agreed. I’ve seen Grant Woods drill his beans in with the rye still standing…then come back a few days after germination and crimp

    • @northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663
      @northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 Před rokem

      Yep
      Most successful stories involved a notill drill.
      We still do a minimum till (one shallow pass) and have as good food plots as anyone.

  • @shanegeorge9157
    @shanegeorge9157 Před 2 lety +3

    Good info.. we have a dairy farm and seed 600 ac rye as cover crop each year. I spend alot of time on plots as well. After you seed your beans into your standing rye.. i bet you could use your disc instead of the crimper. It knocks it down and would scratch some dirt to help it take off. The biomass from the rye keeps the disc from going very deep.

  • @thomaschambers5711
    @thomaschambers5711 Před 2 lety +1

    Another great video. I appreciate the quality over quantity and very informative. Love seeing the different tests and experiments 😎

  • @midwesternoutdoorsandnatur8272

    Very interesting. Grant Woods has done well with the technique with poor soil and no till, but seed/soil contact is critical. I would love to have a no till drill, but it’s just not possible so I till, broadcast, or plant with a two row planter on my big seeds. I also keep the deer off them with perimeter enclosure-that alone was a huge difference in growth and allowed them to thrive even on plots less than two acres. Enjoy your content!

  • @tjt1992
    @tjt1992 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video Jake! Awesome tractor! Your riding in style and comfort!

  • @michaelgangadeen8013
    @michaelgangadeen8013 Před 2 lety +1

    Entertaining and informative. Another great presentation.

  • @legendaryhabitatllc7649
    @legendaryhabitatllc7649 Před 2 lety +2

    Great Video Jake! Those are great real world examples and tests to compare both planting methods. Very interesting how the soybean germination was stunned that much. I will be trying this same method on very sandy soil, it will be interesting to see the difference.

  • @gregcavender7798
    @gregcavender7798 Před rokem +1

    Great video Jake. Be interesting to see the difference if you had no-till drilled those beans instead. Beans just laying on that hard clay just don't have the soil contact they need. Hopefully you took soil samples before and continue ever year to compare the organic matter buildup of your soil. Sadly, every time we disc we lessen it. Thanks for this great video.

  • @Rob-vn9sx
    @Rob-vn9sx Před rokem

    Done the same experiment with my spring/ summer plantings. One field I broadcasted a bean and corn mixture, crimped and sprayed (very little germination) and the other field I sprayed, burnt, tilled, planted, and compacted. (I would almost bet 95% germination).

  • @citysticker-chris
    @citysticker-chris Před 2 lety +1

    Great presentation. Nice buck too👊

  • @chrishensley7205
    @chrishensley7205 Před 2 lety +1

    I had very similar results in Southeast Michigan as well. The soybeans germinated at different times and aloud the deer to overbrowse them pretty quickly. However, the brassicas did very well!!

  • @MA-gb2bm
    @MA-gb2bm Před 2 lety +1

    Hey Jake another great video. Thank you.
    This is my 3rd year with the no till method. Brassicas, oat do great but the peas and beans do not.
    I’m finding the germination rate is low plus it takes 2-3 weeks longer than a dics plot. I’ve had to do the same as you and over seed the area with brassicas then in early September over seed with winter rye. I do not have a planter but I may ask a local farmer to plant my beans and peas. My save a lot of headaches. Please keep the videos coming.

  • @Grizzlife
    @Grizzlife Před 2 lety +1

    Really good job and dedication. I’ve learned you just have to decide what method works for your area. I have the same issue with clay and plant soybeans the 3rd year on new spot so I can grow oats and clover, so I can build that soil. I have a neighbor that rotates corn and soybeans on a couple hundred acres. It’s a huge long bean field. Those years of beans it takes the pressure off my plots and makes for a really good hunt late season. You put together a really good video and I appreciate it.

  • @deanquinn7013
    @deanquinn7013 Před 2 lety +1

    Try crimping your rye green, then the same day use your no till drill to plant desired crop. Good thatch cover from rye, and good seed-soil contact for your seed. The openers on the drill will cut through the rye while still crisp, which will allow faster germination and growth. You can always overseed with other crops as you please.

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 2 lety

      I knew ideally using a drill would be a winner, however I don't have a drill nor do I plan on buying one. I gave this broadcast/crimper method a try as Its been discussed by many over the years and I wanted to see what my results would be as they video shows.

    • @deanquinn7013
      @deanquinn7013 Před 2 lety

      @@habitatsolutions360llc3 ok I thought I saw a not till drill in your video somewhere.

  • @michiganoutdooraddiction4543

    Great video Jake !

  • @JBesq
    @JBesq Před rokem +1

    Outstanding video. Thank you

  • @swostillwateroutdoors
    @swostillwateroutdoors Před 2 lety +2

    I have heavy clay soil at my place, been wanting to do more No till but have a bugger of a time getting broadcasted seed to germinate and grow on the clay. If I could build up good soil on top of the clay I think it may work out better doing no till. Clover is about the only thing that has grown well in my clay!

  • @Mike-nt1to
    @Mike-nt1to Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks Jake good information

  • @deeko175
    @deeko175 Před 2 lety +1

    Jake, thanks for this video (and all of your vids). The popularity of no-till plots is definitely picking up right now. After watching Dr. Woods successfully do it I was all ready to try it. Your video is causing me to have second thoughts. I’m sure there’s a learning curve (rye cover crop rate, chemical vs mechanical termination, timing of termination, drill vs broadcasting, soil type, etc etc). Wouldn’t it be nice to have all the answers before spending all the time and money?! Anyway, thanks for the reality check. Your farm is beautiful. I know how much work it takes to achieve that! Also congrats on a great buck! Please keep the videos coming. They are so appreciated.

  • @stndpenguin
    @stndpenguin Před 2 lety +5

    Jake, outstanding video bro.. I wish you had them more regularly but this was worth the wait. Any chance we can get you to do this again next year in at least one of those same areas so we can see if the root tillage from the plants assists with germination? Ive been watching alot of Dr Woods and his soil life/worm stuff and i'm curious if maybe it just gets a bit better with each season when you've started with a more compact clay from tilling every year.
    Do you think drilling them into the crimped rye would have netted better plots?

  • @minutetokill7747
    @minutetokill7747 Před rokem

    Learned a lot here. Thanks!

  • @Sandberg40
    @Sandberg40 Před 2 lety +3

    Great video! Soybeans need to have good seed to soil contact for optimal germination, I would think the beans in the crimped rye would have had better success if drilled then crimped, but everything is a learning process!

    • @Hunterworks
      @Hunterworks Před 2 lety

      This is exactly why they didn't do as well as the disced field.

    • @HabitatDave
      @HabitatDave Před 2 lety +2

      Most of us deer food plotters do not have a drill, appreciate this is for little guy without all the equipment

    • @Hunterworks
      @Hunterworks Před 2 lety

      @@HabitatDave I think you missing the point, can't compare no till to traditional if you are using a seed that can't or should not be just broadcast on the ground is all. Misleads folks.

  • @marshalllaw4116
    @marshalllaw4116 Před rokem

    I think that the soybeans may do better after a few years of no till & cover crops to improve the soil & reduce or eliminate a hard clay surface that the seeds have to break through

  • @bradhruska3107
    @bradhruska3107 Před 2 lety +2

    Do you think drilling the beans into the crimped rye, would give you better results, over broadcasting them? Thanks

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 2 lety

      I hired a guy to no-drill soybeans with a great planes drill 2 years earlier with similar good/bad results.

  • @KrazyKajun602
    @KrazyKajun602 Před 2 lety +1

    So did you not do a section with roller crimping, then using your drill to drill the soybeans instead of just broadcasting?

  • @vsujones
    @vsujones Před 2 lety +1

    Great video. Are you going to try this again this year now that you have invested in the equipment?

  • @BlueWidow2010
    @BlueWidow2010 Před 2 lety +1

    Jake, that rye thatch was really thick. Do you think that maybe a lesser seed rate of rye, maybe 75# per acre would work. Still giving enough cover and be a little easier for the beans to push through? I will be using buckwheat for my cover this year with brassica's. This is the first time trying a cover crop for me. Great video keep them coming. Thank you.

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 2 lety +1

      I like the thick rye for my fall plots, cover crop & attraction, in some areas I had thinner rye with less of a thick matt and still the soybeans struggled there as well, I'm convinced its more about the hard heavy clay than the rye coverage.

    • @BlueWidow2010
      @BlueWidow2010 Před 2 lety

      ​@@habitatsolutions360llc3 Thank you.

  • @RJ-qq8kb
    @RJ-qq8kb Před měsícem +1

    Is there an advantage to spraying plus crimping vs just crimping? I’m interested in this method as I’ve got heavy clay soil as well with limited access with heavy machinery other than some homemade atv implements. Great info!

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před měsícem

      As they say one man's advantage is anothers disadvantage, Im not sure there is crimping it green preserves more soil moistre and in the rye stems, but I did have a better soybean crop in the sprayed to terminate & then crimped 10-days/2weeks later.

  • @toddshippee7162
    @toddshippee7162 Před 2 lety +4

    What about using your no till drill into the rye and crimping after

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 2 lety +1

      I have no plans in investing into a drill, I've tried drilling with a no-till drill and found moderate success, nothing compares to my success using minimal tillage.

    • @toddshippee7162
      @toddshippee7162 Před 2 lety

      Ok, I thought I saw a no till land pride in video earlier

    • @Hunterworks
      @Hunterworks Před 2 lety

      @@habitatsolutions360llc3 When using no till you must be patient, you must build the soil up over few years, for me the advantage is less time spent in the field so I am willing to wait it out and have better soil from not tilling it constantly and compacting it over and over. Must be patient with no till in clay soil

  • @butt562
    @butt562 Před 2 lety +2

    Jake, in field #2 do you think the crimper was necessary? I have the packermaxx cultipacker without the crimper and was wondering with just the cultipacker if the results in field #2 would be similar being the rye was standing dead. thx.

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 2 lety

      It may, as you see in the video the sprayed dead rye was stiffer and didn't lay down smothering the soybeans as the live green rye did, it may be worth a try.

  • @tfrost33elkhunter
    @tfrost33elkhunter Před 2 lety +1

    Could you grow other things roller crimping rye? Such as tillage radish, or green forage mix (pats, peas, beans)?

  • @bucksniper65
    @bucksniper65 Před 2 lety +1

    Did crimping completley terminate the crop or did you still need to spray also?

  • @RGrizzzz
    @RGrizzzz Před rokem +1

    Do you have soil test results for the three different plots? Same pH, fertility, etc? Maybe there were more factors than planting method.

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před rokem +1

      I've been testing the soil for 2+ decades and always make adjustments per the recomendations, all three plots have nearly identical soil results. This past spring I went back to minimal tilage and have an incredable soybean crop over 60 inches tall in locations the deer dont hit them hard.

  • @vvdv3444
    @vvdv3444 Před rokem

    Is this just to hunt dear? Is it worth all the costs?

  • @devouring2772
    @devouring2772 Před 7 měsíci

    Don't let the rye get so tall and it will be better with buckwheat threw summer

  • @waynegalyen6176
    @waynegalyen6176 Před 2 lety

    Wonder what would happen if you planted rye and radish for like 3 to 4 yes in one plot with no till how your soil would change

  • @mikeambrosemd7013
    @mikeambrosemd7013 Před 2 lety +1

    You need a drill for soybeans. Your no till would have turned out much better w a drill.

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 2 lety

      Agree & was aware of drill success, I tried this broadcast/crimper method as an experiment. I have no plans to purchase a $10K drill so I can duplicate what I'm able to do with the equipment I already have, thanks for your comments always appreciate the feedback.

  • @akomara1
    @akomara1 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Could you post a link to the cultupacker/crimper combo implement?

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 3 měsíci

      Here's a link to the PackerMax combo unit: packermaxx.com/collections/attachments

    • @akomara1
      @akomara1 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Thank you so much!! I have been looking for a cost effective crimping method for months!!

  • @thomasskapnit4479
    @thomasskapnit4479 Před 2 lety +1

    Where are you from?

  • @tommybarksdale5783
    @tommybarksdale5783 Před 2 lety +1

    Did you have to use any fertilizer?

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 2 lety

      Yep I sprayed two applications of foliar fertilizer one on mid July, one in early October.

  • @travisblubaugh6080
    @travisblubaugh6080 Před 2 lety +1

    What Foliar spray do you use

  • @Dadnatron
    @Dadnatron Před rokem

    Roll then drill the beans into terminated beans. Broadcast doesn’t work well with rolling.

  • @travissmith-wz5nc
    @travissmith-wz5nc Před 2 lety

    50lbs rye, 8lbs Crimson clover in September. Rye was to heavy

  • @soldfastkc
    @soldfastkc Před rokem

    That's a lot of info but all doing it incorrect. You need to no till the beans into the rye with trash wheels during the dough stage, then when the beans come up in 10days during anthesis you then roller crimp! If done correctly you wont even have to spray any chemicals unless you want it perfectly clean and rye will always out perform conventional. your problem is equipment that just isn't heavy enough and no row cleaners. 30" rows have worked to best for germination on cereal rye for us.

  • @patrickwolf4373
    @patrickwolf4373 Před rokem

    Where are you located?

  • @yLeprechaun
    @yLeprechaun Před 2 lety

    Sprayed with glysophate? That's the end of the video for me. And added in a click on don't share channel for good measure. Good luck to you, just not my bag.

    • @bowman8316
      @bowman8316 Před 2 lety +2

      If you don't have anything nice to say......

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 2 lety

      @@bowman8316 seems he would find more useful info in "pronoun" video😂

  • @allurbase
    @allurbase Před 5 měsíci

    Why would you use glyphosate instead of just roller crimping?

    • @habitatsolutions360llc3
      @habitatsolutions360llc3  Před 3 měsíci

      One of the three locations was sprayed with Gly and then rolled, as a test/control to identify any difference in germination/growth rates, Thanks for watching.