Why Does Vayu Turbo Win Every Event? - Edison Format Yugioh
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- Here are my thoughts regarding Vayu Turbo and the reasons why it wins so many tournaments.
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i think the hero statistics are super interesting. the most likely explanation why they make so many tops and then fail to finish is just that the deck environment in tops is not the same as in the earlier rounds, so they end up having to face more of their problems in the laters rounds - just a probability game. bw and vayu don't struggle with this, since they - as you mentioned - have fewer vulnerabilities. that being said, i don't think hero has been optimized yet - the numbers just don't entirely work. imo a 35 card approach with 3 upstarts and 2 yatas makes the numbers work much better (imo the same is true for bw, but no one is ready for that discussion yet, since bw does fine as is). hero seems very consistent at first, but spark + alius, blast + alius, mfusion + hero + water are a lot of dependencies that add up. there's one thing the draw power would not fix though - the deck runs out of steam a bit faster than bw / vayu, especially if they hit your mfusion or stratos.
i think resilience is the #1 factor that makes vayu and bw the top decks. you mentioned the side deck, but even in g1 it just feels like these two always have multiple lines of defense, and are much more free to not overcommit out of fear of not applying enough pressure.
i think none of the top decks struggle with "internal consistency" (bar maybe dragons), where they get beaten by their own hands - especially if heroes go that final step of optimization. but "external consistency" is what puts stuff like zombies, and even hero frogs to some degree a bit below bw and vayu - they're just a bit more vulnerable to interference
This is what I’m talking about!!! Great comment very insightful.
Great video
Thanks!
Heros having 40 tops and 0 wins exemplifies it as the definition of consistency but low power, low risk low reward. Aka using flamethrower(hero beat) instead of fire blast(dragon turbo, u auto win if u draw the god combo aka the spells)
Valid points
Spoiler alert: it’s the best deck
It is currently
If its your day Vayu is a crazy deck but if its your day with HERO Beat its just good
Unfortunately hero beat hasn’t had a day yet 🤣
Vayu Deck is just super consistent while having all high quality cards. Can play the 2 best side deck cards in the format too oppression and deck dev.
I’ve found amaryllis has favorable matchup against vayu, but it just loses to itself and blackwings too much
Who knows maybe more amaryllis is the answer 😂
Yep. Blackwings are part of the reason why Vayu has such success. Plant decks do really well against Vayu and Frogs, but Blackwings knock them out of the tournament before they get to top 8.
2 reasons in my opinion
1 it s consistent
2 you always go +1 or even when you lose a monster since you can sum your synchros for free from grave where other decks need to use more resources to do something similar
It does gain a lot of advantage easily
Remeber tooo buy blackwings
Diva Hero won the Ultimate Time Wizard Tournament at YCS Dortmund in Germany. Does that not count as a win for Hero?
I don’t think crows nest had the data from that tournament
I am trying Kyco for Vayu but i need the better players to use so we can have better data
That card may work, hits the grave once and it can be gg
Sirroco allows them to punch over most floodgate monsters(thunder king/koaki meiru drago/kycoo/banisher of the radiance/etc)
Try D.D. Crow instead, but that and Soul Release can be powerful options.
If grepher/arma stick around without a synchro play Kycoo is a +2 if it connects.
@@shadowdraqon2479 siroco is a liability sometimes because the reversal pump otk
Also, the Hero stats are real due to helmet. They fall out in top cut after setting 5 with an alius. Better players can pick out the backrow better.
It can be hard to beat if they summon Stratos and set 5 but that’s about the strongest play they have
I look at these lists and it just seems foolish not to run crow in the main. I found vayu turbo to be very weak to hand traps
Can be hit or miss, vayu often get milled for free so crow becomes just minus one
@@beastmode123 there are cards that benefit from crows discard, like avarice, dad, chaos sorc, and im sure more that i havent found yet. Set ryko pass isnt exactly a big tempo play, and the chances of milling vayu(base 40) is only 7%, depending on the outlying support in the main deck, I would argue that crow has a better chance to be net positive than negative. Also can chain to discard. Grepher and plaguespreader are inherent neg ones or 2s on their own
I play ddt froga and i havent peraonaly been struggling with this deck nearly as much as the dragon matchup where banishing koaki dragon is the difference between win or lose. Crow generally has solid use case into most of these other top decks too, i dont run it for vayu in particular.
i like chalice vs ryko
Cool idea
First!
Lol😂
Love vayu turbo but I’ve never been a big fan of multiple Armageddon Knight. I rarely find myself wanting a 2nd one.
Later games, top decking one is like a 1400 body plus a free synchro
Not sure who’s list it was but it likely topped an event
@@_Mercenary_ I’d rather top deck a 3rd grepher or anything else.
Make zombies the best deck please and thank you
Deck needs some work!!
@@beastmode123 What do you think Zombies need in order to get better? There are cards in the Instant Zombie version the deck can replace with others?
Pure blackwings more stable
Both are great decks
it isnt
Then why does Vayu win more tournaments?
i suppose the sample size is still rather small + decks can perform well if they have a higher ceiling, even if it comes at the cost of being less stable - there's a bunch of lower tier decks that are stable, but just stable at a meh level, while something like dragon turbo is arguably less stable but can blow you out of the water when it works. but imo edison is at a point where you need to be stable + have a good ceiling to do well consistently (imo dragon turbo will fall off, not just because it's degenerate), so i suppose that is not a relevant point. i fully disagree with bw being more stable, but yea, sample size makes arguing with results a difficult endeavour.
in the end i think both decks are very very stable
In a head to head matchup, I'd take blackwings, it's more consistent and stronger overall. Vayu is a better OTK deck though. Most things are decided by luck and skill in such a matchup, though blackwings are less punishing to suboptimal play.
Hero decks just get stopped too easily by oppression and rugs. You play against any vayu deck in top cut, they can side 5-7 cards that downright end your turn and invalidate your hand on resolution. Hero beat can trade better but lacks top end power but when you switch to Diva Hero, you will eventually lose to bricking. Those factors stop heroes from being truly s-tier imo.
Yeah diva hero feels like S tier until you brick and it’s awful
DD Crow isn’t enough and Soul Release is too slow. Any floods like S-IM/decree can be handled by the dog. So what’s next?
I’m not sure lol
@@beastmode123 Maybe Kycoo. Against the Grepher.
The actual answer is to play dragons, koaki meiru stops the vayu shit from summoning dark synchros and prime material dragon protects koaki meiru from ryko/snowman eater/fossil dyna/smashing grounds/mirror force/bottomless/torrential tribute/etc
@@shadowdraqon2479 kills hamster too, gave me an idea thanks
Edison boring now. Play Tengu. More variety of decks and better Banlist
I have dabbled in some tengu it’s pretty fun
I see tengu format as the opposite side of the coin. Like with fighting games, when they do balances you got buffs and nerfs. Edison is so diverse because every deck is equally nerfed allowing more decks to compete. While tengu got the buff patch, every deck is stronger than its edison version.
I don’t think enough people mention a huge plus for Vayu in that it is stupid easy to play. The lines in Vayu are dummy straightforward that misplays are rare.
It can be easy at times, the grind game can be hard
Because it is the most boring
It’s damn good though
@@beastmode123 Yeah but you haven't seen my man eater bug turbo deck. Gonna be a real meta shaker XD