Addictive isn't it 😂? Looks like a beast. I had the same out of parallel on mine, tweaked the two Gibs on cross slide and column, machined the vice base and now getting 0.01mm ish over 175mm, better than my mill by a good distance. Great film work Max.
RIP old shapers. Although if you haven't got a dovetail cutter you could crank the head over to do the same job. I love the smell of WD40 in the morning, beats the shit out of napalm. I remember vividly our instructor showing us how to use the shaper and he forgot to lift the tool out of the way, man, there was Cobalt shards everywhere some were even embedded in the walls. Them were the days. lol
They should rename the clapper box to the slammer box. In slow motion it really showed the beating the box and the tooling takes. Great video as usual.
Ive never seen a machine like this but i love how it work by lifting the tool on the back stroke apparently from the fact that it is indexing the next cut on the positive motion
So much to like in the video. The slow motion action as chips was amazing, where the light and close in view was superb. The larger remarks as to tolerance at part via table and gib. Thank you for the interesting lesson in machine. Regards. McGary
G'day Max. Very nice Initial tutorial on the shaper, & your quick adjustments to get Alignment to at least square the part off. Whether a 1 mm or 3 mm cut, the chips certainly had a good visual effect. Very beefy Shaper, so what will it do when its properly setup. 😮 . Well done, looking forward to many more jobs to come.
Beautiful. I loved running the shaper when I was a machinist. Most of my work was on the Bridgeport but once in a while I'd use the shaper and watch those chips shoot off like in this video. Sometimes I'd end up with one hitting me and it hurt lie the dickens.
Very cool machine ! Love the slow motion shots of how the chips snap off at the end of the cut, even the sound of them was neat. I always liked the finish from the shapers too. Great video Max. Hats off to ya sir! 🫡
Great looking machine Max! It may not be as fast as a mill, but it gives you possibilities that don’t require a lot of expensive tooling. I’d be very interested in seeing how the tool lifter works when you do your maintenance. Thanks for the continuing education.
The first machine tool ever used was a shaper. This was in the course of a work placement in an apprentice workshop. I loved the machine (probably because it was a change after two weeks of filing). When my wife and I buy our milk from a local farmer we pass a local repair shop for farming equipment. I always wanted to salvage the pitiable shaper which stood around in front of the shop for years and it became some kind of ritual that I proclaimed "A shaper! I want this machine!". A few weeks ago the beautiful machine had disappeared. Now the ritualistic proclamation has become "The poor shaper is gone!".
One thing cool about the shaper, you can mount a chip collection box = a whole lot less clean up when you're done. 👍 Edit: that's funny, I made my comment before you said make a guard to catch all these chips.
Lovely machine Max! Hopefully the gibs adjust ok. If you flip the job end over end you will cancel out any taper rather than multiplying by 2. Had the same with mine, but there was limited adjustment. I got it close enough if machining one face; if doing both i always flip end over.
Very solid looking machine Max, I was quite intrigued with the transfered energy released as the last " short and curly " came off the workpiece at the end of every stroke. Great tutorial for the inexperienced like my self.
Without your tech savy video. The shaper wouldn't have any meaning to most. Newer machines may remove material faster but at a carbide insert wear cost. Slow mo was a great example of chip removal. It's strength beside the gib adjustment is a simple mechanical action best for thickness reduction. Lots of safety shown in your videos also. Something an operator can learn from.
Loosen the locknut clamping the clapper box in its central vertical position. Swing the clapper box all the way to the control side of the circular slot and retighten. Reset only the actual toolbit to the correct required cutting position. This will allow the tool lift at cutting stroke-end to lift the tool clear and away from the job so the tool does not foul the job even momentarily at the start of the return stroke. Clearly visible in the slow motion, this impact, repeated possibly many hundreds of times on larger work, unnecessarily damages the sharp cutting edge of the tool leading to frequent regrinding. If the job requires machining from the opposite side (non-control side) then swing the clapper to the opposite side of the circular slot to achieve a similar foul-free return stroke. None of this is intended as criticism: but to help you get the best from the machine. Enjoyed the laid back video. Brought back almost a lifetime of memories spent operating classic machinery.
Love it! That shaper is an awesome machine. The slo-mo shots were really good. I love the tool lifter. My little Elliott 10M doesn't have that and tool bounce can spoil the finish. I'm interested why you set the position of the stroke so it finishes just after the edge of the part? I've always allowed more runoff as the stroke is slowing down so the cutting speed is dropping near the end of the stroke. I wondered if it might contain the spray of chips around the shop... but clearly not🤣!
The machine looks good Max.I did my trade as a machinist on a shaper in 1980. That was the last time I worked on a shaper as well.If I may humbly make some comments they are by no means criticism, please just take them as comments. First check that the table feed is on the backstroke as this is a newly set up machine (i couldn't see that on the video) Check also that the ram speed is faster backwards than forwards. Both are easer to fix than to explain. Turn the vice around 180 degrees then you only work on that side of the machine. Typically we set our machines up with the clapper box rotated in the slots about 15 degrees clockwise as you are standing in front of the machine and with the tool vertical the tool will then lift up and away from the cut face on the return stroke.The squareness of the vice fixed jaw can be manipulated by putting some paper about 5mm down between the work piece and jaw. Good luck and enjoy.
Thanks . All of the above was corrected before the video & it all was ass a bout . Reversed the motor direction to cure ! This machine has clapper lift so no need to angle the clapper except for vertical cuts . I am left handed , so that's how i prefer the vice ! Cheers 👍
i have a dinky little south bend 7" and i find the same is true with carbide inserts and high speed. Inserts _cut_ fine but i have way more trouble with keeping things from moving around when I use em.
Love the video, particularly the slomo action. I would love to get a shaper myself I have no logical reason to get one, I just love the way they work. BTW if yours is from Brazil the language on the information plates is probably Portuguese, as that is the official national language in Brazil. I may well be talking out of my buthole though.
That would be a blast and the entry fee is essentially free. If I lived locally, I would bring beer over if you'd let me to sweep the shop. So much to learn there.
Maybe an optical illusion or camera angle but the tool flip up seams to be slightly out of sync, it flips after the tool is on the way back but away from the end of the job. I just love these old machines, there is a one for sale here quite local for €800 but not as big as yours, problem is I don't really know where to look for wear other than is the dovetails so I'm on the shelf weather to get it or not.
Just general wear in the cross & ram ways . Also a clapper pivot that has no free play . One with the support leg for the table is a must , also tilting table . Power down feed , universal table & clapper lift are the best to try & find . The clapper lift friction slide needs a bit of attention on my one , that's why the late lift sometimes . 👍
I’ve been thinking about buying one from India. I can’t seem to find a decent used one in Australia and any that the machinery dealers have are clapped out. They want a bloody fortune for them. Seems like it would cost about the same to import a brand-new one from India as it would be to buy a used broken worn out machine in Brisbane.
That's a nice shaper Max. Probably 20 years younger than mine. It may be the camera angle but it looks like a pinch point between the clutch lever and the power downfeed handle. Your slow motion cutting shots are giving abom a run for his money. Of course your lack of a granite parking lot is appalling. Ken
Shaper Madness, what is that great big peace of Iran and steel just to the back of you? could that be the {Horizonal Boring Mill} ready to go under the knife...........
Thanks for the video.
The trick we learned was to put the cutting oil on the tool above the tool holder so it runs down the tool onto the work.
Cheers 👍
Addictive isn't it 😂? Looks like a beast. I had the same out of parallel on mine, tweaked the two Gibs on cross slide and column, machined the vice base and now getting 0.01mm ish over 175mm, better than my mill by a good distance. Great film work Max.
Cheers Jon . Hopefully when i adjust everything it will pull into line . It should do as there is little wear as far as i know at the moment . 👍
Man, it's even more hypnotic in slow motion. Thanks for giving the oldtimer some screen time!
No worries 👍
RIP old shapers. Although if you haven't got a dovetail cutter you could crank the head over to do the same job. I love the smell of WD40 in the morning, beats the shit out of napalm. I remember vividly our instructor showing us how to use the shaper and he forgot to lift the tool out of the way, man, there was Cobalt shards everywhere some were even embedded in the walls. Them were the days. lol
Lol , thanks . 👍👍👍
I love shapers I am almost finished restoring a 24” Cincinnati shaper I picked up.
Can't wait to see your work Don!
@@jdmccorful well it’s going slow been side tracked on some other machines I bought. And Steve still has to make a small gib for the Dow feed!
@@donmadere4237 understood.
Cheers Don . I have been watching you pair ! Waiting for him to do the sled for his 10EE ! 👍
thanks for taking time to film and share , very much appreciated.
No worries . 👍
something therapeutic about a shaper!!
There is ! 👍
That tractor might come in handy some day fending off the emu overlords 😂
Lol , you never know !!! 👍
Beautiful running machine, Mr. Grant. Especially like the.auto tool lifter!
Thanks 👍
Fantastic machine. Thanks for the slow-mos. I never knew they had made auto-retracting clapper boxes.
No worries 👍
Not much beats watching a shaper doing its thing.
Yes ! 👍
Brilliant hypnotic viewing, Max. Love the slo mo, those echoes are also amazing. Nice one...Tony
Thanks Tony 👍👍👍
Another great video, so impressed with this machine/shaper, I had not seen one working before.
From kiwi land.
No worries 👍
They should rename the clapper box to the slammer box. In slow motion it really showed the beating the box and the tooling takes. Great video as usual.
Thanks 👍
🎉 Good stuff Max, love the slo-mo👍🍺
Thanks Bill . 👍
Fun to see a shaper run at high speed.
Thanks . 👍
Ive never seen a machine like this but i love how it work by lifting the tool on the back stroke apparently from the fact that it is indexing the next cut on the positive motion
Thanks . Their an out of date machine these days , but still get the job done ! 👍
Perhaps my first post on your channel Max. Nice job with your investigation on the shaper's abilities.
Cheers 👍
Nice, Max! 👍 Entertaining slo-mo.
Cheers 👍
So much to like in the video. The slow motion action as chips was amazing, where the light and close in view was superb. The larger remarks as to tolerance at part via table and gib. Thank you for the interesting lesson in machine.
Regards. McGary
No worries 👍
Enjoyed…great slow motion shots…
Thanks Chuck . 👍
G'day Max. Very nice Initial tutorial on the shaper, & your quick adjustments to get Alignment to at least square the part off.
Whether a 1 mm or 3 mm cut, the chips certainly had a good visual effect.
Very beefy Shaper, so what will it do when its properly setup. 😮 .
Well done, looking forward to many more jobs to come.
Cheers Ted . 👍
Beautiful. I loved running the shaper when I was a machinist. Most of my work was on the Bridgeport but once in a while I'd use the shaper and watch those chips shoot off like in this video. Sometimes I'd end up with one hitting me and it hurt lie the dickens.
Thanks 👍
Holy shit! G'day Max, love me some shaper action mate, very well presented and I thoroughly enjoyed it
Thanks for sharing buddy
Cheers Ralfy 👍👍👍
Shapers are so cool. Some pretty aggressive cuts on that monster you have there!
Cheers Greg . 👍
awesome slooooooo motion 👍👍👍 💪💪💪💪💪🇦🇺
Thanks 👍
Thanks Max, I’d love a shaper, I could watch them for hours. The finish is great and a lot cheaper than endmills. Maybe one day.
They are a handy machine to have in the shop . 👍
thats a nice slomo max ! love it !
cheers ben.
Thanks 👍
Very cool machine ! Love the slow motion shots of how the chips snap off at the end of the cut, even the sound of them was neat.
I always liked the finish from the shapers too. Great video Max. Hats off to ya sir! 🫡
Thanks . Yes , they can leave a great finish . 👍
For curiosity, the GPM on the label is probably the Portugese _golpes por minuto._
Thanks for the translation . 👍
Thanks for sharing 👍 great shaper footage.
No worries 👍
Great looking machine Max! It may not be as fast as a mill, but it gives you possibilities that don’t require a lot of expensive tooling. I’d be very interested in seeing how the tool lifter works when you do your maintenance. Thanks for the continuing education.
I was going to ask the same thing, about holding the clapper up on the backstroke.
I will go through it in part 2 . Cheers 👍
Cracking piece of kit!
Thanks 👍
Thanks for sharing, Max.
No worries 👍
Great video Max: loved the sound and closeup of chips being removed. In 1962 my HS metal shop had a big shaper, all machines were war surplus.
Thanks 👍
good video friend MAX,,thanks for your time
No worries . Thanks 👍
The old girl handled that part of the job no worries mate. Looking forward to part 2. Have a good one 👍🇦🇺
Thanks 👍
Great video max, keep'um coming..
No worries 👍
Gday Max, nice solid machine, great job, cheers
Thanks . I will give you a buzz soon , i have a spare camera case that might fit your one . 👍
The first machine tool ever used was a shaper. This was in the course of a work placement in an apprentice workshop. I loved the machine (probably because it was a change after two weeks of filing).
When my wife and I buy our milk from a local farmer we pass a local repair shop for farming equipment. I always wanted to salvage the pitiable shaper which stood around in front of the shop for years and it became some kind of ritual that I proclaimed "A shaper! I want this machine!". A few weeks ago the beautiful machine had disappeared. Now the ritualistic proclamation has become "The poor shaper is gone!".
Lol , We had weeks & weeks of filing as new apprentices before we were allowed on the main shop floor at the railway workshops ! 👍
Woo Hoo...Swan Valley shaper action ! Handled the heavy cuts no problem, enjoyed Max !
Cheers.....
Thanks Dean 👍
One thing cool about the shaper, you can mount a chip collection box =
a whole lot less clean up when you're done. 👍
Edit: that's funny, I made my comment before you said
make a guard to catch all these chips.
Lol , 👍👍👍
Lovely machine Max! Hopefully the gibs adjust ok. If you flip the job end over end you will cancel out any taper rather than multiplying by 2.
Had the same with mine, but there was limited adjustment. I got it close enough if machining one face; if doing both i always flip end over.
Thanks . They should adjust ok , fingers crossed ! 👍
Great hints for setting up a Shaper. Enjoy your "how too" commenting. Thanks for your time Max.
Thanks 👍
Very solid looking machine Max, I was quite intrigued with the transfered energy released as the last " short and curly " came off the workpiece at the end of every stroke. Great tutorial for the inexperienced like my self.
No worries 👍
How does that saying go, you can make anything on a shaper except money, but I would still like to have one. Nice work Max.
Lol , no worries 👍
Gotta love some shaper action. Looks like you will be adding "Need to make a chip catch pan" to your list of "to do" projects.
A catch pan is a must & has been promoted up the list ! Cheers Tom . 👍
The shaper definitely doesnt take "no I dont want to go" as an answer for sure..
Lol , 👍
Great opening shot! Glad you found some work for it. Another very interesting video
Thanks 👍
Without your tech savy video. The shaper wouldn't have any meaning to most. Newer machines may remove material faster but at a carbide insert wear cost.
Slow mo was a great example of chip removal.
It's strength beside the gib adjustment is a simple mechanical action best for thickness reduction.
Lots of safety shown in your videos also. Something an operator can learn from.
Thanks 👍
Loosen the locknut clamping the clapper box in its central vertical position. Swing the clapper box all the way to the control side of the circular slot and retighten. Reset only the actual toolbit to the correct required cutting position. This will allow the tool lift at cutting stroke-end to lift the tool clear and away from the job so the tool does not foul the job even momentarily at the start of the return stroke. Clearly visible in the slow motion, this impact, repeated possibly many hundreds of times on larger work, unnecessarily damages the sharp cutting edge of the tool leading to frequent regrinding.
If the job requires machining from the opposite side (non-control side) then swing the clapper to the opposite side of the circular slot to achieve a similar foul-free return stroke.
None of this is intended as criticism: but to help you get the best from the machine. Enjoyed the laid back video. Brought back almost a lifetime of memories spent operating classic machinery.
The machine has cable operated clapper lift . 👍
Well, I'm sure you had a good time playing with your shaper :)
BTW, very nice footage.
Cheers Rusty . 👍
Love it! That shaper is an awesome machine. The slo-mo shots were really good. I love the tool lifter. My little Elliott 10M doesn't have that and tool bounce can spoil the finish.
I'm interested why you set the position of the stroke so it finishes just after the edge of the part? I've always allowed more runoff as the stroke is slowing down so the cutting speed is dropping near the end of the stroke. I wondered if it might contain the spray of chips around the shop... but clearly not🤣!
The stroke adjuster is not locking in properly . I did not notice it had moved until i saw the video . Cheers 👍
People that think a shaper is obsolete, do not own a shaper. Mine is 125 years old. And still hogging metal flat and true.
They still have plenty of uses . Cheers 👍
The machine looks good Max.I did my trade as a machinist on a shaper in 1980. That was the last time I worked on a shaper as well.If I may humbly make some comments they are by no means criticism, please just take them as comments. First check that the table feed is on the backstroke as this is a newly set up machine (i couldn't see that on the video) Check also that the ram speed is faster backwards than forwards. Both are easer to fix than to explain. Turn the vice around 180 degrees then you only work on that side of the machine. Typically we set our machines up with the clapper box rotated in the slots about 15 degrees clockwise as you are standing in front of the machine and with the tool vertical the tool will then lift up and away from the cut face on the return stroke.The squareness of the vice fixed jaw can be manipulated by putting some paper about 5mm down between the work piece and jaw. Good luck and enjoy.
Thanks . All of the above was corrected before the video & it all was ass a bout . Reversed the motor direction to cure ! This machine has clapper lift so no need to angle the clapper except for vertical cuts . I am left handed , so that's how i prefer the vice ! Cheers 👍
i have a dinky little south bend 7" and i find the same is true with carbide inserts and high speed. Inserts _cut_ fine but i have way more trouble with keeping things from moving around when I use em.
Thanks . I never use carbide in my South bend . 👍
Love me a shaper lol Adam Booth made a catch box and attached to the end of the Table to catch all the crap
Thanks . It is on my list !!! 👍
Love the video, particularly the slomo action. I would love to get a shaper myself I have no logical reason to get one, I just love the way they work.
BTW if yours is from Brazil the language on the information plates is probably Portuguese, as that is the official national language in Brazil. I may well be talking out of my buthole though.
Lol , you have cracked it ! Strokes translates to golpes in Portugese ! GPM , Hence Golpes ( strokes per minute ) 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop With those rapid strokes, you'll need plenty of KY Gel, to stop the friction burns. 😉😊😆
Wait, if that's "our shaper", does that mean that I can com down and use it? Cheers, Max.
🤣
Yes Rob . You supply the beer & i will sit back & watch ! 👍
That would be a blast and the entry fee is essentially free. If I lived locally, I would bring beer over if you'd let me to sweep the shop. So much to learn there.
nice Shirt , are Subscribers getting one - with your logo? - as for the Shaper = Mesmerizing
Lol , you are not having it ! 🍺🍺🍺
Thanks
No worries 👍
Shapers are cool machines. Max how do you think brazed carbide like micro 100 would work? Cheers
I think it may chip , but a light finish cut might be alright . Micro 100 i think would be too expensive to take the chance . 👍
Thx for vid. As others have asked, what lifts the tool on the backstroke?
It has a cable lift . I will go through it in part 2 . 👍
Maybe an optical illusion or camera angle but the tool flip up seams to be slightly out of sync, it flips after the tool is on the way back but away from the end of the job. I just love these old machines, there is a one for sale here quite local for €800 but not as big as yours, problem is I don't really know where to look for wear other than is the dovetails so I'm on the shelf weather to get it or not.
Just general wear in the cross & ram ways . Also a clapper pivot that has no free play . One with the support leg for the table is a must , also tilting table . Power down feed , universal table & clapper lift are the best to try & find . The clapper lift friction slide needs a bit of attention on my one , that's why the late lift sometimes . 👍
Shapers are still made in China and India. The Chinese one’s are made with prison labor can’t be imported to first world countries
Saw a large brand new one at my machinery dealer in Manila, China made, slave labour??
Don't buy anything from China, not even your toilet brush@@willemvantsant5105
I’ve been thinking about buying one from India. I can’t seem to find a decent used one in Australia and any that the machinery dealers have are clapped out. They want a bloody fortune for them. Seems like it would cost about the same to import a brand-new one from India as it would be to buy a used broken worn out machine in Brisbane.
Buy an old British one . The American ones , never come up here . 👍
That's a nice shaper Max. Probably 20 years younger than mine. It may be the camera angle but it looks like a pinch point between the clutch lever and the power downfeed handle. Your slow motion cutting shots are giving abom a run for his money. Of course your lack of a granite parking lot is appalling. Ken
Hi Ken . That clutch lever has a lethal pinch point there & i will be extending the handle . Lol , the granite parking station is in part 2 ! 👍👍👍
Shaper Madness, what is that great big peace of Iran and steel just to the back of you? could that be the {Horizonal Boring Mill} ready to go under the knife...........
Hopefully soon ! 👍
phora engineers porn. and slow mo too. when's part 2?🤪
Lol , maybe in a week . Cheers 👍
Maybe earlier write cuttin corners, look at them
Might need a translation on that one . 👍