Why Advanced Conqueror's Haki Is So Confusing
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I think the true explanation to the lightning in attacks is more likely the fact that Oda through the years decided to slightly change and modify his "style" of drawing for haki clashes. He started experimenting with lighting clashes in dressrosa (with those thing and more perpendicular lightings) and then became more adept/advanced the drawing technique as he went forward through the story and through irl time. We have to remember several years pass in all the time between arcs and Oda, as any person changes and improves his work and technique. So this is mostly a meta characteristic of the story connected to his improvements in drawing, and not truly explainable through in lore means.
This actually works with power creep tho. More elaborate haki effects corresponding with increased power
I like Haki as a power system but I wish Oda was more clear at times what Haki people are using. Would make some debates so much easier.
For sure
Yeah. The anime tries this making a specific sound for future sight, with the ryuo creating sakura flowers or with advance coc having a specific color for each user
The point is that Oda does not care about powerscaling debates at all. Why should he spoonfeed those people?
But that’s the fun of it
@@furorteutonicus9045 He obviously does, he powerscales all the time, it's not a major concern for him clearly, but let's stop pretending power scaling in shonen isn't essential to create tension and literally every shonen writer HAS to worry about it
“He’ll use it when two conquerors haki users clash… like luffy a ulti” LMAOO
Ya I'm side eying hard. Did I miss something? Is ulti a conqueror or just a script gaf
@@isaiahthompson2134 it's sarcasm
@@ravelhidersunk4458 who doing sarcasm? morj? like there some people who genuinely believe ulti has coc lol
I deadass had to pull up the wiki bc I was about to say if she has it they’re just giving it out to anyone atp
Thankyou for making this video. Its annoying how many people get this wrong... especially with Koby recently.
People need to realise that lightining is just a vague hype tool and not hints for advanced coc. It sucks but it's the reality.
@@MarianaBello-fq3hx so when koby does in fact display conquerors your going to need a kaido or big mom to say out loud that it is indeed conquerors?
@@JusDionit’s wasn’t conquerers
@@zoovaado7759 I'm just supposed to take your word for it?...exactly. 🤔 you're not even questioning your own bias.
@@JusDion
That’s irrelevant wether Koby has it or not that’s not the point the point is
Lighting doesn’t equal kings haki it just means strong haki
i think a lot of people forget that most aCoC users are also using aCoA (advanced color or armament, or "ryuo") in conjunction with it. when luffy punches kaido in chapter 1010 (and throughout most of the fight in general), he's combining aCoA with aCoC because as stated by luffy himself, aCoA alone is "too shallow". he's still using it to deal internal damage, but aCoC allows him to do that to greater effect due to the increased AP
it's the exact same thing with roger and whitebeard's clash and big mom punching page one. they're all combining aCoA with conqueror's. law and oden comment on it out of shock because they've never seen the no contact part from either an aCoC or aCoA user. it doesn't necessarily mean all aCoC users are aCoA users, just that luffy, roger, whitebeard, and big mom in those instances were users of both
when kaido and yamato use aCoC many of their attacks make direct contact because they're not combining them with aCoA. they're not trying to deal internal damage like luffy. kaido splitting the sky with luffy is one of the few times we actually see him use aCoA because his kanabo doesn't touch luffy's fist. when he splits the sky with big mom earlier their weapons touch
in chapter 1048 luffy remembers his aCoA training with hyogoro because he needs it to fight against kaido's magma attack without burning his hand off. if it was possible with only aCoC he wouldn't have brought up the training. he's still combining aCoA with aCoC, but only to boost his AP. aCoA/ryuo is the reason no contact is made and internal damage is dealt
Exactly. The whole video starts with the wrong foundation that no touching is conqueror's indication and continues the mess from there...
Bad headcanon
@@Kaste11ur dumb
So you are telling me, that as soon as Luffy unlocked Acoc, he instantly used it with Acoa, when he had that no contact moment between his foot and Kaido's kanabo?
Tbh, when I saw black lightning from Koby's fist, I too started to doubt this whole black lighting representing Advanced COC attacks thing
my big realization moment was when Jinbei used it. I could accept (with a small amount of copium) even Ulti, but nah Jinbei made me completely stop believing black lightning = conqueror's.
@@userusernomiwhy not jimbei, dude is a perfect man to possess conquers haki.
@@jamesfoxsmithwhat do you mean by too early? Age? Ace unlocked it at like 10 and if you mean story that doesn’t make sense either because we’re in the final saga
That's an odd example to be the turning point considering how big of a gap there is between his fist and the effect.
@@HoFMiddyHe is referring to "Advanced Conqueror" not just "Conqueror"
After watching this, the anime using aura for conqueror`s haki a lot doesn`t really seem all that bad.
At least in the anime, animator Henry Thurlow explained that ‘gold aura’ is the visual indicator for Conqueror’s Haki, on Episode 738 of the One Piece podcast at 1:20:45.
THEY used gold aura to indicate aCoC, but it doesn't mean shit since there are so many different animators with their own styles that what is SUPPOSED to be aCoC is literally any color of the rainbow, depending on what the animator feels like using.
@@asianpersuasion4901 Apparently it was a choice that the whole animation team complies with under the direction of the episode Director who basically has final say on the parts they direct, over the personal preferences of the individual animators, who themselves try to sneak in their own personal touches when possible. The animation team tries to establish guidelines on these sort of things to prevent confusion among the staff going forward. Sometimes there is room for flexibility.
The anime didn't help by making the first use of advanced conqueror haki so flashy and colorful with petals and golden aura and shit , and they gave him flashbacks of his training with advanced armament during it
Thank you Morj for this video. I must admit I also used to falsely believe black lightning to be a proof of Conquerors.
At this point it's just part of the hero's journey for one piece fans
Really it ain’t even your fault. Oda just executed the different levels of advanced armament and conquerors haki poorly
Well said
In your defense (and mine too), until kinda recently it wasn't really inconsistent. That image showing Sabo vs Burgess could easily be only sparks coming from Sabo (and there's nothing to indicate if Sabo has conqueror's or not), Don Chinjao could also easily be a conqueror's user. It only starts to seem inconsistent recently when you see everyone, even Jinbei, throwing around black sparks. Now nothing makes sense and it's anyone's guess who has conqueror's until they make someone pass out.
I was arguing up and down the chat this week a lot lol no one believed me. Thanks Morj.
In regards of coby feats, I don't really care if it advance CoA or advance CoC, it still looks awesome. If it truly advanced CoC I think oda will further explain it in the future chapters, just wait a bit
I agree. People are getting way too caught up in whether it's CoA or CoC and completely ignoring the fact that it was an awesome moment and a great feat for Coby.
Thank you!!
People in the one piece community lack patience so much it's getting annoying
They should know by now they gotta let Oda do his thing
it is a perfectly legitimate critisism that the indicators for these different abilties are inconsistent, it would be better if it werent
It can be both.
I love the feat! Go Koby is about time.
But it'd also be nice if we knew what it was to make Koby's Garp matching feat even MORE awesome.
Koby doesn’t have acoc and if he does that’s horrible power scaling on odas end because that would put Koby on the same strength tier as kaido, shanks, Roger, luffy
10:28 hahaha Advanced Headcanon 😂 I’ll use that from now on.
The black lightening feels like a representation of high levels, or even advance haki. Haki isn't one of those power systems that has been explained thoroughly through a character. Which is where the messiness comes into play. Gotta love the subtlety of One Piece.
Perhaps Armament, Observation and Conquerors aren't even separate types at all, just different frequencies of the exact same thing. Only Conquerors can use that certain frequency to use Conquerors Haki.
We've been treating Haki like it's three different species when it technically should be treated as one thing but in different frequencies
@@ReiseLukas my exact thoughts
That's not what Subtlety means. Subtle things can be understood clearly with enough analyzing. Haki can't. It will always be confusing (unless Oda explains later)
@@Starcotic it makes more sense that way. If they all were one but in different frequencies than the traits each "type" has can overlap. The not touching is a trait advanced Armament and advance Conquerors share because they are linked.
@ReiseMLukas similar to Chakra and how one weaves it, you can get different results. Haki seems to be the same, whatever frequency and how much of that frequency you are emitting depends on how much of a spark your attack will have with the environment around you.
Haki isn’t a soft magic system, but it is very squishy. People like to pretend it’s as fleshed out and detailed as something like Nen, but that’s just not true.
you might even say it’s rubbery
No one can beat Nen Detailed explanation
It was poorly realized power system
@@axaxaxaxaxen9896I find it has the properties of both rubber AND gum actually.
I personally don't enjoy Nen. I hate reading fight scenes that require hundreds of explanations from numerous characters just to understand what is going on. Then a character has to do this and this and that so the ability will work. And if they don't do this and fulfill that condition and bla bla bla, the ability will fail. I prefer something like bending in Avatar. It is well detailed and explained and does not require excess exposition and multiple conditions that have to be spelled out in each battle. You can understand what's going on by just watching. Not to mention There is a gaping hole in the power system that apparently only Kurapica has explored. In a fight, You could basically just make a new vow to create a hatsu on the fly. One that you have vowed to use against this one opponent during this one battle etc. And boom, you have an overpowered ability that will win you that fight. Kurapica vowed to use the chains on just the phantom troop. And look how broken he became.
Not to mention a main character who in theory should he capable of crafting many deadly abilities given his aura reserves but spends the series just doing rock paper scissors.
I personally think Nen is overhyped. Just my opinion
context : ODA IS INCONSISTENT AND ANNOYING
This is pretty much it and it's likely one of the downsides of drawing a manga by yourself for 25 years.
And drawing full no contact fights would be a lot harder and wouldn't look nearly as good.
There is a reason why most fights in anime are melee/contact.
never thought about it before, but specific sfx for hakis i could imagine
Ok, can you explain to me how Luffy and Katakuri did the no touching thing with conquerors haki but without advanced conquerors haki? If you look at it they didn't touch and destroyed everything around them without even using any attack that looked way more impressive than any other conqueror clash, how is that possible? That reminded me of Shanks when he damaged Whitebeard's ship without an attack as well.
1:04
Pretty sure you hit the nail on the head with Shanks and Whitebeard's ship. Powerful enough bursts of conqueror's haki just physically pushes/damages things, this is separate from coating.
the shanks part is different but your katakuri example is actually spot on because it is sometimes unclear of much knowledge luffy has on advanced armament haki or advanced Conquer, since wano takes place later and he is training it there instead of during whole cake. So it kind makes us assume that it was all conquerors during that clash with katatkuri but now it seems like I got reread that whole fight
It seems that is just really powerful Normal CoC Luffy and Kat had. Shanks was just flexing a bit on WB ship, Im sure that wasn't advanced CoC either, not until he decided to clash with WB. Normal CoC just a powerful Aura that knocks out fodder and then physically affects the environment when stronger.
@@spyfire242 The thing is we never saw anything like that again in the story, Shanks is one of the best conquerors users if not the best. But Katakuri and Luffy doing that without advanced conquerors is still not explained how.
Definitely needed this video. You cleared a lot of stuff that people were confused about. Thank you for your efforts.
Black Lightning is a distortion in space that occurs when cursed energy is applied within 0.000001 seconds of a physical hit. When a sorcerer is able to achieve this, their cursed energy flashes black, and the destructive power of their strike is equal to a normal hit to the power of 2.5.
THANK YOU! There's wayyyy too many creators that jumped the gun saying Koby has conqueror's. Like come on, this isn't new people!
Here’s the number 1 rule that people need to understand if it’s not confirmed don’t assume it wether that’s Koby having kings haki or wether it’s x character stronger than Y character
This a very important video and you speak the truth. So far the only way we 100% know conqueror’s haki is at play is if characters state it or if character’s start fainting. For a while I did use the thickness and length of the lighting trails as an indicator but for all we know that can just be an indicator of the haki’s intensity. I wonder if there is an element that we just aren’t noticing.
Mr Morj sir, can you please make the Wano video where you summarize all plot threads that were left unfinished? You said a long time ago that you were in the process of making it
I always thought the black lightning was a representation that Haki vs Haki was happening, usually clashing at similarly high levels.
There are many moments where it's just one person using haki with black lightning though
I remember people saying this since dressrosa lol
Thanks for this video Morj!
Filler video, it's very clear since early post-timeskip that black sparks are just strong haki.
I do think there is 1 way to tell if an attack is an ACoC and that is if people are passing out around the user & attack. Happend with Shanks & i'm pretty sure it happend with Luffy & Kaido's sky splitting moment as well. Doesn't always happen tho because nobody passed out in the Garp scene and that was for sure ACoC
Technically garp could've just used extremely powerful armament but I get your point.
@@leonglitchvery true but what would be the point of advanced conquerors if you can train your armament to that extent? You can say it’s cope on my end but you will have to convince me very hard that armament can even reach that level to the point that it can compete against top tier conquerors haki. Imo, I think he used advanced conquerors with galaxy impact, galaxy divide and blue hole. Remember what kaido said.
True, though Luffy and Kaido didnt knock anyone out with their clash, there was no fodder on the rooftop at the time. Also, Garp's attack didnt depict fodder being knocked out during the attack, but showed people unconscious afterwards, so its ambiguous in that case
@@ishanabhi4540there was a fodder ..on the rooftop ...read chapter 1026 carefully ..at the end u will see a masked girl getting unconscious ...she was a part of both kaido army and cp 0
@ayeekoolaid520 I also think he used ACoC with his attacks but fodder didn't pass out. Just an example
This is exactly the video I needed. I’m loving wano and everything but I just stop bothering trying to understand every attack between Kaido and Luffy. Hopefully Oda makes it more clear in the future.
Agreed trying to understand is gonna lead you confused because oda isn't thinking about indicators he just thinking about visual effects and perspective.
i know it gets a little technical now, but imo advanced armament doesnt mean your attacks gonna create a gap or something. it is possible to do so, as we saw with luffy "punching" the tree, but i think that was more of a way to learn the ability itself. like he needs to be able to destroy the tree without touching it, so he learns that haki can flow out of his body and into another object/being to do damage. that doesnt mean that if you use adv armament its gonna create a gap, because you still need to put physical force behind it. the main feature of this ability is to damage something internally by letting your haki flow into it, doesnt mean it has to create a gap to do so.
as for advanced coc, my headcannon for the gap thing is simply the "amount" of coc you use for the attack. like compare the yonkou clashes (shanks/wb, kaido/bm, wb/roger, luffy/kaido). why did the first 2 not create a gap, but the last 2 did? (i wont take the "it wasnt introduced" argument here lol) shanks/wb: more a demonstration, no real fight. kaido/bm: they actually like eachother, didnt really want to fight. wb/roger: both known to always be over the top, rivals, wb probably enhanced his attack with his fruit -> of course there is a gap. kaido/luffy: life or death situation -> of course there is a gap. and another one: luffy JUST learns the ability -> super excited -> feels super strong but cant really control/channel it the proper way -> all attacks create gaps. later he uses less of it, to still be able to do big damage, but not too much to be worn out after 3 punches. which is a important thing to keep in mind, it probably draws a lot of energy to use these advanced techniques.
I don't think so, because we've seen characters using this effect of no contact very regularly like Sentomaru and it's clearly just advanced armament. I don't think advanced conquerors is connected to this effect because we never seen Kaido using the no touching effect despite clearly having advanced conquerors.
I think that Luffy and Big Mom decided to use advanced conquerors with Ryuo while Kaido didn't and there's couple of reasons for that; Both Luffy and Big Mom were punching a zoan with very tough scales (Kaido and Page One) and we know that Ryuo is needed to break through those scales. Luffy is also fighting with his bare hands against Kaido's club which is a very spiky weapon, so it works the same way with the scales, you can't just touch that with your bare hands.
TL;DR: No touching effect is advanced armament and can be used with advanced conquerors optionally, it's just better to use if you are fighting a zoan or a weapon holder with your bare hands.
And this is why I love the added auras for haki the anime started to add in Wano.
Not only does it add a nice visual flare, but due to different ways it is colored, shown and used it can help us see what kind of Haki is most likely in use at that instant.
much needed video 🙏
Will you do a "Wano retrospect analysis" video like you did with WCI?
Thank you for making this. Its been frustrating over the last few months with everyone claiming that an appearance of no contact necessitates the use of ACOC, completely ignoring everything we learned about ryou
Morj perpetuates this misconception all the time though. He constantly mistakes the “no touching” as advanced coc rather than advanced coa
Thank you Morj for voicing this. Because I'm tired of watching content creators spread the narrative that lightning equals advanced conquerors.
Truth be told, I think the advance users are able to damage others without contact but we only see both sparks and an impact lines set when it's two ACH users fighting.
Koby one was definitely advanced conquerors, oda drew the lightning attaching to the fist at charging panel
@GreenDurLanSon lightning doesn't mean shit. The scabbards are seen with lightning attacking kaido and they don't have it
@@HeavyDumbbellsthis has to be a joke. 😂
@@thatguyoverthere2217At the end of the day they touched kaido didn't they? But did koby touch pizzaro? Did kaido and luffy touch? Did whitebeard and Roger touch?
@courtneystern7216 don't use the koby thing. After all, when it's animated you might see it touch then you'll feel stupid for forming that perception of the events.
ACoC as it was displayed only makes sense to me if it is a combination of Armament and Conqueror's. Why would we go throught the entirety of Ryou only for it to be thrown out in favor of a superior version of Conqueror's, which prior to Wano was never a striking force? Also, if ACoC is really just combination of Conqueror and Armament, that leaves the possibility for other Haki combinations... and since the series will still be running for years, and a lot of the main players are sole Haki users, that means it'll leave the table open for new and interesting types of Haki usage. That Luffy vs Kaido and Roger vs WB is not all that we've seen from the Haki department.
I think you're right, but not the Ryou that creates distance from you and the object. Because as Morj pointed out, lots of the Kaido vs Luffy fight involved them making contact with one another.
I think you're right in regards to the idea that Ryou gave Luffy the idea to transfer his conqueror's haki, rather than armament onto his fist/foot/head.
@@solenstyle yeah, it doesnt solve the inconsistencies Morj raised up. But I think during the fight Luffy didnt REPLACE his Ryou with what we call "ACoC" now, but rather exerted his Conqueror's Haki in combination with what he learned with Ryou. That is what makes more sense, and it would allow it for Conqueror's to still be it's own distinct type of Haki as opposed to muddying the waters with Armament.
There only one issue with the "their attacks aren't touching" note to Adv. Conq. Clashes.
It's not consistent.
When Shanks and Whitebeard clashed their weapons are shown to touch, as are Big Mom's and Kaido's.
We get the cloud split but not the lack of contact during the clash.
I thought the black lightning was just an overwhelming amount of haki. When I first saw the black-red lightning during the Dressrosa arc, I thought it was just a good way to show the clash between two powerful haki users, Doflamingo and Luffy. When Doffy turns into demon time, the favor turns into him and change the color into purple. Same goes to Kaido when he attacked Luffy with the Thunder Bagua. I also didn't what old man Hyogoro taught to Luffy at the time so I never considered it as Ryou or Advanced Conqueror's Haki.
When Roger and Whitebeard clashed, I never thought it was Advanced Conqueror's Haki however we see Oden's reaction looking intimidated which what happens when Conqueror's Haki is being used. Remember Rayleigh demonstrated the Armament Haki to Luffy, Rayleigh didn't touch the animal at all but was taken down. It all make sense when Hyogoro explained Ryou to Luffy, allowing your stored haki to flow into your fist can destroy from inside. A much clearer explanation to Rayleigh's demo.
++ I believed that Haki might have an intriguing explanation by the end of the story of One Piece. Considering the fact that Haki was called Ryou in Wano and the World Government/Marines only uses Six Powers instead of Haki really excites me for some reason.
Power system is a significant element of every action anime so for Haki and Devil Fruits not reveal the origin of those two up until this point is something at least for me.
I hope that Coby's attack was "just" Advanced Armament Haki because destroying that arm shouldn't take Advanced Conqueror's Haki to achieve it. I mean characters in the Dressrosa arc could accomplish it without it. It would also hype up Coby more if it's just Advanced Armament :D
The other option is scary otherwise think about this Oda gave this guy a whole transformation. Like you can look at kid Luffy n be like yep dats Luffy n the same with every other character but with Koby he dun said mask off n keep the hair colour and i bet that flash back gon be glowed up Koby. RIP to ol round face
True, that's why I believe that it was a ACOC. Because if that punch is just a ACOA, my boy is about to be the strongest. After all that experience he soak up, the final lesson he learned and the conviction to protect. All the leading up to the punch, the damage, lightning, no touch, yet people still think its just ACOA. lol He will be the "HERO" of all, more than the hero of the marines.
Nah, that's advanced Rokushiki - Nanashiki
Bro that is not conqueror haki if he has then my man jinbei does also because he using same attack
Black Lightning is an indicator of advanced head-cannon
Not gonna lie got a big laugh outta me with the EXTREME ADVANCED HEADCANON achievement lmao
I caulk this whole dilemma to one thing.....assume it's just Armament Haki unless the story specifically shows or tells otherwise.
That’s exactly what it is but one piece fans love the smell of their own farts
Meaning they believe their headcanon and will fight you if you disagree
@@Mohamad_49Gs I've actually change my view on it while thinking more.
People have put Haki in three stiff boxes: Observation, Armament and Conquerors. This has caused so many flawed thought trails. I think the truth is these three types of Haki are NOT distinctly separate from each other. Haki is like Chakra, it's based on frequency. There has to be overlap between each type. With this idea of these 3 types being more fluid frequencies than there's not much issues.
The trait of attacking without making contact is shared by both Conquerors and Armament, probably because they're close together in frequency.
Even Shanks's mysterious Haki feats can be simply explained with this method.
@@ReiseLukas
And another misconspiton or however you write that word
Is that people think when a character is fast that it means he must have strong observation haki for some reason
@@Mohamad_49Gs true
Morj here's an easy content idea: make this into a series "Dispelling One Piece Myths Believed by the Fans."
Mr. Morj doing the homework for all of us
8:00 I like how he sneaked in “Ulti has CoC”😂 lol I’m here for the Ulti gas
Another YTuber I’ve watched pointed to a specific katakana SFX that tends to show up in the second before COC attacks are thrown
I’m glad more ppl are coming around about Big Mom using acoc in her fight against Kid and Law. It doesn’t need to be drawn all the time, especially ranged attacks.
5:30 Luffy vs. tree was more iconic than gear 5, personally.
So true. Haki's portrayal and explanations have been 'messy' and inconsistent. Spot on. Gr8 vid! Awesome to see a vid discussing this, at times problematic, topic
What's funny is that advanced conqueror haki is a fanmade term and was never mentioned in canon
The name itself yes
The application no.
Luffy clearly asks kaido if he’s coating himself in conquerors and he clearly says this is the case
I know right,
There must be a huge application of advanced conq. Haki it just feels lacking if only used as armanent haki ++
there is a level 2 of each haki, ie advanced. not hard to understand
90% of twitter needs to see this video cause they're completely convinced Koby is using ACOC. Not saying he isn't but we don't know for sure, all that we know is the chances are more slim of him having it than not
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Oda need to explain in a sbs what is the visual for conquerors haki and the difference with armament haki, what is a conquerors haki clash different from two intense armament clash that brings lightning effects
I agree, the black lighting being inconsistent has always been by point, i just honestly use againt others bad logic about it.
The extreme advanced headcannon achievement goes to KOL lol
Korby has the conqueror's haki eyes while punching, ngl. But you're right with this lighting nonsense.
For now the only rule seems to be that when first showcased, the ACOC user will charge an attack with a thick lightning streak tailing it, after that we can assume that most attacks made by that individual is ACOC charged even without that visual effect unless stated otherwise.
Katakuri did the same thing. Luffy did the same thing in WCI. And Ulti did the same in Wano. None of these characters have ACoC.
@@user-el2jd8jr9o I am not talking about the black lightning effect, I am talking about the thick lightning streak tail while the attack was charging, the first time we saw that was in the Oden flashback between Roger and Whitebeard's cloud exploding (instead of just spliting) clash, CH 966.
The next time I think is 1010, between Luffy and Kaido, then 1011 by Big Mom, and I might have missed some, but most times after that (even in the Gear 5th vs Kaido fight) this effect is absent even though the combatants that had it had no reason not to use it at all times. In fact I would argue all of Kaido's attacts were ACOC based, that was how Luffy figured it out that it was possible in the first place, hell I would think that once Big Mom gets serious all her attacks were ACOC based as well, being hit with one does not mean an instant KO either, during roof piece Luffy and Law was both hit with a Thunder Bagua, which should have been a ACOC attack, they just have to be tough and determine enough to power through them.
I can't wait to see all the black lightning flying from somebody using advanced future sight.
I thought that the non-contact was a result of ryou. but i guess that further emphasizes how unclear haki is. from what i understood was that here was regular armamant coating, Extended armament coating (coating weapons or creating a buble of aura around your attack to avoid direct contact), advanced extended armament coating (when the aura extends into the opponent to bypass defense) and all three but done with Conqueror's instead. but one thing i have yet to figure out is if Conqueror's coating replaces Armament, or works together with armament, and if there is any real difference other than just hitting harder
7:56 I think you included Ulti with the King's haki users by mistake
I believe we're also assuming a greater separation in nature between the types of haki than the story ever suggested. The way I see it is armament haki is the same as conqueror's haki but applied to oneself, whilst conqueror's is exuded outwardly. Strong enough self applied haki can coat the body and hit things without touching, but it's just that, an armor so strong it's some centimeters thick. Conqueror's haki is the character is like weaponized will power sent outwards and in its crude for seems to be exuded radially with no focus. The later times we see it used it can be semi targeted at an area. Advanced conqueror's can be pinpoint released almost like a missile and then also appears as impact being made without physical touch.
I truly believe that Advanced conquerors is just a passive state where you just coat yourself with your conquerors haki and upgrade your other categories as well, Kaido said that only a few of the strongest can coat themselves with conquerors, so he introduces us to a state where your conquerors just coats yourself and boosts your other haki powers. We know that conquerors haki can faint people with weaker will and "conquer" them so what if shanks can negate observation haki because he fuses his obs haki with conquerors haki, armament haki could work the same so if you fuse your conquerors haki with armament haki you double your dmg output and also double your defenses and becoming a tank like Kaido, making you completely immune to other weaker conqueror haki users, thats why only the strongests achieve this state of power.
The difference between advanced Armament, and Advanced CoC is that the first is not touching but the “not touching” is not visible to other people.. While advanced CoC all other characters can visibly see the non-touch clash
"Extreme advance headcanon" needs to become an attack name.
i believe that haki attacks never really touch, that its a very thin armor, but it can get so big with enough haki that you can see the gap
COC is an amplifier for the other haki . By itself it just knocks weaker wills out but with combinations with COA and even COO(which I believe which shanks uses ) it amplifies those techniques to the max . To me the Black lightning represents CoA the thicker lines our shown with the Combo of COC which shows it being amplified.
This is really the only plausible explanation
Yeah that would explain why Zoro didn't realize he was using COC on Kaido and thought it was just COA. We can just say he was using COA but he unconsciously amplified it with COC
its cannon the moment he confirm voice of all things is COO+COC
This, I also think that there are two kinds of ACoC
The normal coating one, and the advanced no touch one, just like CoA
@@moriyoukai2076 these are my thoughts exactly . I believe the no touching COC coating happens with a combination of ryou and COC to amplify.
I think the zzt sound effect is an indicator that someone is using it… also the lightning comes off the surface of whatever is hitting. So if I hit you with my palm it comes off my palm
I havent really put that much thought into the entire conquerors haki vs armament thing, but heres my thoughts:
Regular conquerors haki gets used in very short bursts and seems to take some effort to charge up. Meanwhile the other 2 types seemingly can be activated instantly and are active for much longer.
Therefore, the same would make sense for advanced conquerors haki, right?
I think that advanced conquerors haki is generally only usable with some preparation, which would explain why we dont really see it that much in the heat of combat. A lot of the first part of Luffys fight vs Kaido was a slugfestwhere where both sides had time to charge up for every single punch.
The same preparation requirement applies for the other times we see advanced conquerors being used.
Shanks vs Whitebeard, Roger vs whitebeard, ...
To me this feels like a much better indicator of conquerors haki because it makes conquerors feel distinct from armament.
While we're on the subject Whitebeard used Advanced conquerors during marineford. That first punch on akainu after Ace died when WB sneaked him was non-contact (all of WBs gura gura attacks made contact), didnt have the cracks as a visual cue or cause a tremor, and didnt have the auditory cue they use in the anime. I will die on this hill
It might've been ACoA Haki or Ryou, and while both ACoA & Ryou were introduced to us post time skip, Oda did have Shanks use CoC haki to scare off a sea king in the beginning of the series.
Izou was still the 16th Div. Cmdr. of the WB pirates, and the Oden family had been on his ship for a while.
It's not outside the realm of possibility for WB to have been using ACoC thanks to the clashes with Roger & Shanks. But somehow I don't think WB respected Akainu enough to use a named attack.
Although the punch in question happened directly after witnessing one of his subordinates/sons die.
So he could've been on some "run my fade" time.
You've definitely got me thinking. I'm about to have to do some research.
Whitebeard couldnt use regular conquerors to save ace when ace was about to be executed, it makes no sense that he could use the advanced version of it
@@unvatoeninternet707 Whitebeard not being able to knock out the likes of Akainu, Garp, and Sengoku with Conqueror's is not evidence that he didn't have it. One of Whitebeard's crew says at the start of Chapter 570 that Luffy has Conqueror's "just like Whitebeard and Shanks", confirming that Whitebeard had it.
@@JujuToobootie It's virtually confirmed that WB had ACoC considering what we see in his clash with Roger. The question is more about whether Oda planned far enough ahead to show that during Marineford.
@@Zanador ??? When did i say that he meant to knock out akainu?, he tried to knock out the executioners (mr 3 disguised) and he fell to his knee saying he couldnt do "that", then luffy uses his conquerors, thats what i meant, he couldnt use regular conquerors, how would he used advanced conquerors?
I think I have a better explanation about why is it so confusing : when luffy hits kaido and law said "he's not even touching him", I think that was mainly advanced armament haki that we see, but luffy might also use conqueror haki. And for the clash between yonkos, the clash of black thunder that appear between the hit is specifically when there is a clash between two attacks with conqueror haki, so conqueror haki isn't about not touching, it's just that when there is a clash, such a thing happens, and so this is why luffy and kaido hit each other like that at the end.
Didn’t know I was coming to be humbled 😩. I definitely was in the “black Lightning = CoC” camp before watching this vid
Do a video on the Six Powers. In the manga, anime, and databooks, it is clearly explained that these are haki based abilities. The fan feedback loop says that six powers are muscle based, something that is never stated in the manga (and would be superseded by following explanations if so)
The true explanation of Haki is it’s whatever Oda needs it to be for the plot or to make a cool dramatic moment, soon characters will be able to shoot Haki blasts like ki in DBZ
This also reminds me of the SSJ 1 AND 2 confusion with lightning over the body it would get confusing at times
The big reason for this is because let’s be honest. Oda doesn’t care about powerscaling too much. He just sees
oh no contact strike and lightning cool
😂😂😂 so true, another thing is he wants people to continuously be excited by is it A.conqueror or armament & just be confused about it, & not tell people if someone possess conqueror haki or not
nah nah nah i saw you sneak in ulti there 💀
Going a step further, perhaps ACoC works like a magnetic field and closer contact with an individual means it's hurting them more. Or maybe it amplifies ACoA. Although there's issues with all of those takes as well.
I believe galaxy impact is conquerer's ryou.
If you can use conquerer's as armament, you should also be able to use it as ryou.
Black lightning is from whenever any Haki clashes, regardless of type. You just see more of it when Conqueror's users are involved, since they tend to also emmit that on top of Armament.
Bruh. How is the most definitive clue about advanced Conquerors not even mentioned?
It's the lightning trail people. The lighting is drawn like it leaks and follows the movement. Look at all the attacks of Kaido and Luffy after the power up, or Yamato vs Kaido, or Roger vs Whitebeard. Before the attack, the lightning follows the movement of the infused object (fist, sword, leg, scandal, whatever it is). Like paint, being left behind. The infused object leaks black lightning, the character moves and the infused object leaves black lightning trail behind that follows the movement exactly.
Armament never had this effect. It was always stationary, black lightning shooting outwards. There was never depicted as a trail following the movement.
It's so easy for me to see from day 1 (Roger vs Whitebeard) I am flabbergasted that this is a problem in the community.
At least a few people have caught on on Reddit referring to it as trail or leak. How has Morj never seen that explanation? 🤷♂
ACoC is not always like a "trail". Look at chapter 1042, Luffy's "Over kong gun" just has normal black lightning. The same with Luffy's Bajrang gun attack. Or Kaido's "Ragnoraku" in chapter 1045. Or Luffy's nameless attack at the end of chapter 1045.
They are all ACoC attacks but the black lightning in them doesn't have this "Trail" effect that you are talking about.
sky splitting and the invisible barrier are the indicators we can rely on. each time an invisible cushion is shown it's advanced conquerors. roger and Whitebeard is an exception as it was earlier in the story and wasn't completely defined yet. but skysplitting cannot be argued.
Adanced arnament apparently doesnt make a gap. Or Oden wouldn't have been so amazed when Roger and white beard clashed. He would have been able to do it himself
9:32 during that attack there was only separation but no intense black lightning there was only a small slither of lightning going in his hand so to me that looks like advanced arnament when I see advanced conquerors i see a clear separation plus reddis black lighting together
I just assumed that in the later sections of the kaido and luffy fight, the inital blow was to show that they are using COC by not touching then as the fight progresses they are using so much force that even with the coating they are able to touch.
And as others have said black lightning is more an indicator of haki strength not necessarily haki type.
On top of that as more fights wit COC appear the more I believe that COC augments the other 2 as well. I mean its kinda weird that COC can be used to "coat" the user just like COA and although we havent seen it in action yet Observation killing seems to be an enhancement of COO using COC.
The part when they don't touch is ACOC + Armament imo and so is future sight ( ACOC + Observation). Conquerors itself,probably has another level to go still.
The only indicator of Houshoku infusion is that the aura is so dense it doesn't even touch the opponent, everything else is up in the air, Oda left it open on purpose but since we're getting to the end is more than due time to the finishing touches and explanations.
There are like 2 examples of non-CoC users creating thick lightning (Ulti and Scabbards) and in both cases it is still noticably less thick than many CoC uses, to thick lightning is a pretty good indicator and very thick one (similar to Roger vs WB) is basically confirmation.
We have never seen curved ligthning following user's limb except for ACoC users, so it is a very strong indicator as well.
This one is something we are yet to see fully, but we have only seen strong black streaks (NOT ligthning) 3 times in the series:
1) Roger vs Whitebeard (by far the biggest example) - confirmed ACoC clash
2) Luffy unlocking ACoC
3) Kuzan and Garp punching each other.
If it is confirmed latter two are ACoC users or the next time we see black streak is in a ACoC again, it is a pretty strong indicator as well.
I can’t wait to see buggy use his advanced conquerors haki
You can look at it from a sense of how haki blooms, especially conquers and look at everyone who has it. Even tho they are touching I think it's a note on how strong each individual is cause u can't bypass it by normal means that's why luffy used advanced conquers and advanced armament
Could you potentially do a video on the chances of Shiki and Uta becoming involved with the main story at this point in the story since both (especially Shiki) actually exist in the manga canon, and if so how they could become involved in a meaningful and realistic way, I don’t know if you take requests but the fact that they were made canon is just making me wonder?
No touching and split sky is the clearest indicator. Other time when attacks are touching mean adv CoC not used. If you know it doesn't mean using it everytime since Kaido eg. Can still be hurt with only just Adv CoA
I just got my theory cleared that kuzan is undercover sword member as he obays garphs teaching as it is a forshadowing oda gave us as the recent chapters where garph gave a lecture regarding old people
Now I thought(from the story) that Don Chinjaos explanation of Conquerors Haki was pretty fair. He mentioned how it’s not a big deal in the NW because many ppl on that side of the GL are built like that lol I think having it on that side is common, but being able to manipulate it with ACoC is the true definitions of a characters strength. So maybe there’s some ppl that can utilize it whether or not they’re as aware as Luffy and Kaido. It’s like being in the zone in any sport and tapping into a new skill without realizing it
Haki is definitely a confusing power system at times and this recent chapter only added to that, since Koby pulls off such a ridiculous feat of destruction, that thinking it's only armament gets kinda ridiculous, but it also does not really have the signs of conqueror's haki, rather just really strong armament haki.
I feel like for the most part the difference between conqueror's haki is visible at least from my head canon. When reading chapter 1010, I felt like the idea was pretty clear, conqueror's haki was like a totally different mp bar from armament and observation, but the big revelation is that it can be used like either. It's like Sage Mode in Naruto. When you use your normal chakra(armament haki) to create a rasengan (internal destruction technique), it's pretty strong but when you use sage chakra (conqueror's haki) to create a rasengan (internal destruction technique) it's a far higher tier of power. That being said ,I think looking at the thickness of the lightning is a good indicator but within context of course. Usually you can see a person leave a trail of black lightning before attacking and for conqueror's haki hits, the lightning needs to be thicker at the impact and thinner away from the impact, if my theory is correct, though because that would mean conqueror's haki is just a better verison of armament haki, which is why some times you see conqueror's haki clashes touching. I also think you can use your conqueror's haki to perform observation haki techniques too and that's how Shanks was able to seemingly talk to Greenbull from more than an island away. And just to keep the Naruto parallel going, using conqueror's haki for observation haki techniques, is like using sage chakra to cast a genjustu.
It's got nothing to do with haki mate. It's all battleship bag gains. Remember, Koby went even further beyond Garp's training. Training his fists without haki, till his hands were a bloody mess. The armament is just a formality at this point. His fists hit like a freight train.
I think he have normal haki with he train his fist most of the time and bro he use all the power in his only fist so yahh we can say it like deku when he use his full power to distroy robot
What i feel like the difference between advanced conquerors & advanced armament will be that a master of conquerors will be able to negate devil fruit ablilites like yami yami no mi the teaser of this was when shanks used his wifi haki to threaten greenbull and reverted him in his human form
Not to mention during their final clash luffy said that he doesn't need to touch kaido because that wano old man taught him how to hit without touching
But shouldn't that be an advance conqueror haki attribute??
No advanced arnament haki can be used to hit someone from a distance. Advanced conqueror's haki means just adding an extra amp to your attack. Basically think about a regular attack thatd 100. Well adding conqueror's haki to it will give it a +50 damage boost
arguably the old man showed him the technique of haki coating more broadly, Luffy assumed it applied only to armament haki until he felt Kaido doing it with coc. Whether he uses armament coating or conquerors coating, he's using the old mans technique.
advanced conquerors does not create the gap, that's just Ryuo.
@@jotape125 it literally does Roger vs whiteboard and luffy vs kaido proved that
@@cvox607 they were using Ryuo
I keep saying the no contact is just advanced armament but characters can put their conqueror's on top of that making it hit harder conqueror's isn't no contact on it's own
I mean yea, but also Oda basically confirmed black lightning as a conq Haki indicator when he gave Nami the sparks and had other people questioning if she's a user. So in-story characters make that connection themselves.
10:33 not the xbox achievement bubble💀
You listed Ulti in the examples of black lightning being drawn for Conqueror’s Haki clashes there, but I don’t think she’s ever been confirmed to be a user of Conqueror’s
I think you misunderstood. He's trying to prove that conqueror's haki doesn't need lightning by showing evidence of someone without conqueror's haki drawn with lightning
tip: if adv conq is used there are always these kanjis on the panels for example: 3:57
Correlation vs causation, someone’s taken statistics 😂