My Deltarune FULL GAME Predictions (Fountains, Dess, NPC party-members, story & more!)
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Deltarune Chapters 3 and 4 are likely dropping in 2024, with 5 through 7 to follow after. There are a LOT of directions this game could head. But I do my best to predict some broad elements, like the locations of future Fountains, a few key story beats, and the NPCs who will join us on that journey.
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04:05 Known Details
08:00 Possible Fountain Locations
10:59 Town Hall
12:03 Bunker Door
13:19 Hospital
14:39 The Church
19:29 Water World
21:29 Flower King
24:15 Carnival
27:42 Party Members
34:10 My Final Predictions
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I would like to say that your predictions for the church were based on how Christian churches work, but Alvin specifically says that forgiveness isnt a thing in their religion, making it definitely not Christianity. If i had to guess, the church in deltarune is for a nonspecific religion with nonspecific practices, that may vaguely resemble Christian traditions. Idrk tho 🤷♀️
(Also, not looking for any kind of debate or anything, i just wanted to point it out because some of your predictions were based on assumptions about the in game religion, that i feel may have been a bit flawed)
Tobbe Fox did say that chapter 3 will be very different by being wayyy more story based really building up our beloved charaters.
I wonder if the endings aren’t red herrings after all. Kris without their heart seems to have their own premeditated plan. Consider this. He eats all the pie at the end of the first game. What is the thing that entices Suzy to stay over at the end of Chapter 2? Making a new pie. The next thing Kris does is slash his mom’s tires to keep her from taking Suzy home. I could be completely off base but it seems like there’s a plan here.
* I think it's really unlikely, but I desparately want a dark world in the double doors of the freezer at Sans' shop, just because I think Sans going "oh, whoops. how'd that get there?" to a blatantly obvious dark fountain would be so funny
it could also be an ominous opening for a mini dark world, even if just for 1 boss or 1 boss and a p-2 like gauntlet,
a world completely drowned in snow, made just for one more dual
seeing sans goofing of about it would be interesting, but seeing it as a boss it could be a cool way to have a secret final boss,
maybe the boss depend's on the routes taken,
no weird and you get something like the god of hyperdeath, with sans goofing of
some and you get something akin to omega flowey or asgore, with a very nutral sans
and if all are done, we have a confrontation with sans like old time's
or maybe even papyrus ready to lecture the player on the player's action's, how escapism can be dangerous, and to not overly indulge in fantasy, as this can lead to you hurting other people even if you like them, pushing them away, by pressuring other's, ruining thing's for other's and more
doing the game like normal when with a new character (noelle in ch2) is like what susie did while with lancer, becoming close to them, before they have to leave, but the weird route is the opposite of that, by indulging in the fantasy of a "what if...".
this idea make's me wonder if every weird route will be about a different trait of a toxic friendship, snow-grave is pressuring, and ch3 may be about ruining something for everyone,
and how fitting would it be for all of this to be said by papyrus, the character altered most by the undertale fandom, flanderised to be a pun hating, somewhat dumb, overly innocent and spaghetti obsessed skeleton, to be so brutally like their original character, a not so innocent, pun making, skeleton who want's to be a knight, so attack's the main character.
im probably reaching but i like the idea's i'v proposed, sorry if this reply annoy's you by being to out there it's just this is the way my train of thought went turning a short comment into a long one.
I think "oh hey thats where i put it" would be funnier
@@windowswhistler5516 yeah
"thats just where i sleep. dont worry about it"
I feel like they’re building up for a big reveal that Dess has been stuck in a dark world this whole time, unable to leave. That’s why nobody has found her, I believe the location of this dark world may be in the bunker as it seems to be in the middle of the forest where many believe Dess to have been lost in, and the existence of a dark world that’s been around for a long time and created by someone unknown could be a great reveal.
ooooh thats a really good one!
that makes sense
Maybe it’d be somehow connected to the school closet one, given that’s the ‘main one’, and another one than that can’t exist long and be stable, while its existence is just fine
@@birdup1_2The stability of other Fountains as far as we know is perfectly fine. The thing that becomes unstable from more than one is the barrier between Dark and Light. Two Fountains is clearly shown to not hold much strain, so maybe three isn’t the breaking point either
God I’m so excited for the rest of Deltarune. It’s insane how tight of a chokehold Toby has on all of us to keep us invested and hyped for this long
Right? I'm still just as excited about the future of this game as I was 5 year ago, maybe even more so. Can't name any other game that has held my attention and hype so consistently over long draughts of content / updates.
By god it's been half a decade since Deltarune chapter one what the fuck
@@StarryxNight5 Yeah, it's pretty crazy when you think about it. It really doesn't feel like that long ago, time flies.
yeah seriously
,26:52 The idea of having the roaring being carnival/circus themed would be an awesome idea. Firstly, it ties the secret bosses to the main story really well and, while there have been small carnival sections, the whole vibe would be very different from anything else. It could also tie back to the whole life being a game idea Jevil talks about. Love your ideas for the next chapters!
Of note: Lord of The Hammer pretty clearly alludes to Lord of The Rings. Tolkien was well-known as a devout Catholic and LoTR has a lot of religious undertones in the background. So sticking it in with the church makes sense.
All the Dark Worlds seem like they will follow a theme---they are fictional mediums in which we use imagination to engage in escapism. It seems that Dark Worlds don't necessarily create a world so much as take an already existing fictional world and make it real. So you would EXPECT a chapter based on books. Tolkien is basically the father of modern fantasy, it makes sense to have a Dark World based on his works. So I think the church chapter will count as the books/literature chapter with it primarily taking place in a Dark World based on Lord of The Rings high fantasy, with the villain inhabiting in a Mordor-like land of darkness.
The secret boss can be a Gollum parody haha
I hadn’t connected the dots about how each location is a form of escapism (toys, internet/pc, tv, fantasy stories)
@chicken0w044 Yeah well from what I can tell, it sorta seems like Dark Worlds are just worlds that already existed in someone's imagination, then the Dark Fountain makes them real and gives them life, sorta like how the DT Extractor gave Flowey life. So for example, if you exposed a toy to a Dark Fountain but that toy was factory-new, I don't think it would do anything, or at least that toy wouldn't become a very complex being. But a toy that's been played with, that a person perhaps gave a name or a backstory to, that has memories associated with it..... Those are what the Dark Fountain brings to life the most. They take the escapist fantasy you had and make it reality.
So if that's true, then Toby is probably themeing every chapter after a different medium of escapism. That's why I think Lord of The Rings is gonna be a Dark World. A "Books" chapter seems practically guaranteed, and if you had to select ONE book that most encapsulates escapism......well you'd pick Alice in Wonderland. But if you had to pick a SECOND book, yeah definitely Lord of The Rings. LoTR paved the way for our modern idea of a high fantasy setting, it has religious undertones that make sense for the church chapter on Sunday, darkness is a big theme in LoTR, and the fact Lord of The Hammer has been mentioned by name makes me deeply suspicious that this is foreshadowing....... Also c'mon. Legolas Ralsei and Gimli (who uses an axe) Susie? That just writes itself.
There's a line in Deltarune about how Gerson's best story ideas always came to him "in dreams". I'm POSITIVE this is actually implying Gerson would regularly go inside Dark Worlds, and THEY were the inspiration for his novels. I think for Lord of The Hammer what he was actually doing was creating the sort of high-fantasy universe that HE would love to explore, and then, he brought it to life and would go on adventures within the book. And then he'd go back into the real world and as the author, he would add or change stuff. Editing his book to alter the Dark World, and make it even cooler.
I think the Gandalf parallel in that world is going to be Gerson. It seems fitting. Not the real Gerson, but his self-insert persona. However......There is a very real chance the real Gerson ISN'T actually dead. Perhaps everyone THOUGHT he was dead because Gerson disappeared mysteriously one day, because he went inside his book and never returned. Whether that be because he was so enthralled by this fantasy world that he chose not to, or because something trapped him there.
@@katherinesmallbean3594 Yo hold up that kinda makes sense actually
I feel like the characters that would be most significant for Deltarune going forward are the ones with unique text sounds and portrait sprites. Berdly, Noelle and Susie have all of those, and were big parts of the game. It wouldn’t be that big of a stretch to think Alphys, Rudy, Toriel, or Asgore are probably likely to appear in at least one of the chapters.
My thoughts exactly. The undertale characters obviously have these because they were already created for undertale, but Rudy’s were uniquely created for Deltarune, so I think that means he will definitely play a very big part.
29:21 Kris, Susie, and Noelle has the "YOU ARE ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE VERY, VERY WONDERFUL." from the creator name.
It would be nice to meet Kris. Poor kid gets possessed by a bunch of weirdos.
I really want Mettaton to be a bigger character in this game. It would be fitting for him to be in chapter 3 but who knows.
In Chapter 2, he asks Kris to bring him some music to listen to in Chapter 3 IIRC.
It's possible he's a tv star in this world, meaning he could (maybe) be in a tv themed dark world
Maybe if the "Officer" Toriel calls is Napstablook that could be their dark world look???
I'm being completely honest, I'm gonna laugh so hard if in Chapter 3 it's revealed that at the end of Chapter 2 Kris slashed the tires so they could walk to school with Susie and that the black stuff coming out of the ground was just water and Kris accidentally broke a pipe conveniently underneath their house conveniently in that exact position.
Chapter 3 takes place on a Saturday. No school
bathbomb incident again
@@leftory684I mean they can still walk to school, it just won't be open.
@@TheCubifyerbut there would be no reason mom would try to drive them to school on a Saturday. If it’s a matter of just wandering around town for fun and not in a school day, it seems this is normal for Kris. Toriel wouldn’t stop them from doing that, so why would they slash the tires?
@@judysm95 Oh I was just joking about how technically they can go to the school, like there isn't a reason for it but nothing is stoping them physically.
Correction: there are FOUR currently known fountains. One is in the closet aka Castletown, the second fountain was in the unused bathroom beyond the Great Door (door between the rooms) which was sealed, then Cyberworld which was also sealed and now the most recent one in Kris' house.
Are you sure? The one at Dreemur residence could be like a bloody smoke bomb.
5:21 can I just say genuinely exceptional image of toby there in an entirely nonsarcastic way he looks phenomenal
33:20 this may be a stretch but if Undyne was answering the phone call at the end of chapter 2 she literally would be there in seconds due to her wanting some action in hometown. In my opinion napstablook will be the party member in chapter 3
i agree with this sentiment also, tbh
9:29 at the very start of the game, "QC" is one of the names that triggers a unique response from Gaster (along with Kris' classmates and the characters from Undertale). Even if the diner itself won't be particularly important, I think the character might be.
pretty freaking weird how ralsei doesnt warrant a response from gaster yet QC does.
was qc like gaster's wife or something
You talked about the roaring on chapter 5 but you seem to have forgotten that it happens when there are to many fountains, it might have multiple in the chapter. Besides even if i personally don't see the roaring so early, i expect there to be multiple fountains per chapter at some point. Maybe even a secret one hjust for the secret boss of that chapter, with you having to collect something from each fountain to fight him.
Hopping between multiple fountains in 1 chapter could be cool!
I had this idea too but part of me feels like Toby might keep it to 7 to continue the theme of there being 7 things. Could be wrong but who knows
I think the school dance may be held in the Church. It's a large venue, and they have "sick fruit juice" (which also matches up with that one image of susie getting a cup from the punch bowl)
this would make the church a light world only area, or a surprise dark world event that takes place DURING the school dance (which would check out, this *cannot* just be a normal teen drama chapter)
The Church and the Bunker are the two I'm guessing for Fountains :)
it seems like there’s a pattern with the dark worlds being metaphors for escapism and thus their respective objects being forms of it (games, computers, television). if they follow this pattern, it makes a lot of sense for a church and bunker to follow, given that religion is used a lot to help cope with shitty life circumstances and the bunker is… a bunker. its whole point is to escape into safety from danger
People have actually found assets for chapters eight through ten in the files, so there might be more potential than we're expecting.
There's also assets for a chapter zero, which if anything, would be some sort of bonus content unlocked through the weird routes. Probably the place where the crazy things regarding Gaster and Kris's relationship with the Soul will be dealt with. A conceptual place outside the main narrative, where the fourth wall doesn't apply, not because it's broken, but because the action is happening on the audience's side, with the actual story the characters came from staying behind as a mere backdrop, if that metaphor makes any sense.
just for the sake of my sanity, im trying my best to turn a blind eye to the weird references to extra chapters in the code ;w;
i will continue to be in denial until proven otherwise as chapters come out
My ultimate prediction for Deltarune is that Don't Forget is hinting at Kris's arc ending with them learning to work with and trust us as their Soul. They're trying to push us away, for good reason, but I think they're gonna have to learn to see us as a friend when they're alone in the Dark with no one else.
This is either going to be incredibly wholesome or extremely fucked up
wait i actually really like this interpretation of the song lol
@@fruitloops2058
Depending on your actions probably.
i always thought it was a threat lmao
@@grammy_hnng In the weird routes I think it will be
Honestly, I've had the thought of deltarune being paced like undertale backwards(Like the castle and the king being first, then the cyber city resembling the core, and spamton neo made me think it further) for awhile but the amount of chapters (And the one with the shadow mafia people? Idk I havent seen many spoilers) disproves it, I think
Considering the idea raised in the video of "chapter 5 is the finale and 6+7 are an epilogue", that actually could work!
That's a neat thought tho, tbh, i'll be keeping your theory in mind as we wait
Although, in an area full of TV shows, with cameras watching you reporting back to here, and 2 (opposites of) Mafia goons wearing dark armour, Chapter 3 paralleling Hotland wouldn't surprise me. I'm calling it now that the next secret boss uses the purple soul!
Most likely its one chapter/dark world per human soul instead of per area
Castle, Core, Hotland, Waterfall, Snowdin, Ruins, and something else
@@katherinesmallbean3594 True Laboratory.
QC isn't unseen, she's the purple bunny lady in the diner. she was also the Snowdin shopkeeper in Undertale. though, you'd be forgiven for not knowing that, given that i'm pretty sure we only know that because of datamining :p
Mhm, and because of the colour scheme of her store it's hard to tell that the purple bunny lady is the same character as the shopkeeper too. I think most people thought the Snowdin shopkeeper was a white bunny in a building with funky lighting.
I suppose if the TV world is on Saturday, it will have some aspect somewhere based on "Saturday morning cartoons".
0:40 I have no idea where the scallop you heard this, it's always been confirmed that there will be seven. You might have been confused about the release, cuz we were originally gonna get chapters 3-5 at once and then 6-7 afterwards.
Edit: Okay so it turns out this is not 100% accurate, the post only stated that his next "goal" was to release 3-5, which still implies that there will be further chapters. I wonder if his reluctance to tell us how many chapters there are might mean there could actually be more than seven, but who knows lol
The end of the world being set at a carnival is such an anime thing that I can totally see Toby doing lol
For Asgore losing his Job as Chef of Police, I think he ended up following bad evidence that lead to many false claims as Asgore was pressure further to find Dess and and solve the case, with Noelle mother firing him for being incompetent of finding her Daughter. Toriel left likely due to self destructive behaviour effecting her and the kids, Asgore self-worth is something he always seem to have problems with as making bad choice due to him believing he doesn't deserve respect after failing to find Dess would make a lot of sense.
8:20 I think there's a theme of each Dark World consecutively representing a stage in fiction. Chapter 1 = conception, chapter 2 = synthesis, chapter 3 = sharing. And I think this kind of pattern can be used to predict future Dark Worlds.
I don’t see it
I don’t see it either
I don’t see it
there is a possiblity thet if later chapters will take place in the hospital curing rudy will be a part of weird rout instead of a normal rout, sacrificing someone else to save her father will be a great character growth for noel, letting go or sacrifice?
With Noel and Rudy I don’t think they’ll get their little fantastical adventure.
An idea I’ve had for a long time is that if Rudy were to ever end up in a dark world, his disease would change him. Turning him into some kind of beast taken over by his disease, corrupted and barely hanging on. We then have to defeat him and in turn curing him. Maybe Asgore could also be there to help him cause I think that would be fun.
We’ve seen already that things in a dark world at the point of creation become a part of it (cards, checkers, plushies, computer stuff, etc).
I think it would be a really interesting thing to explore. And maybe once he’s free he can save Dess
One theory I heard regarding the song beneath the sea is that it’s connected to the bunker. After all, bunkers are obviously built underground, so perhaps Shyren was a red herring, and the song beneath the sea wasn’t actually her, but the sound of something coming from a particular bunker that is built beneath the sea, maybe the hum of a person or the rhythm of machines
I kind of believe that fountain themes have a lot to do with the recurring theme of a medium for entertainment that we as humans have created
Chapter 1 = Board games
Chapter 2 = Internet
Chapter 3 = Television
In a way, these worlds offer escapism the same way they do for us in real life, and our Light World characters often escape to them instead of other responsibilities (ie getting the chalk or working on a school project)
That being said, I feel like your points for a Water themed dark world and the Church make a lot of sense when you view them as being themed around Music and Books respectively! Hard to say for certain though
Also while I totally agree that the double doors in the flower shop HAS to signify a potential dark world, I have been hung up on the idea of how flowers relates to this theme. I know gardening is a big hobby for many, but it does seem a bit more thematically off than the others. Maybe there's something in that room we don't know about yet? Like how the computer lab in the library was something we couldn't access before it became a dark world?
music/books definitely count as their own methods of escapism/entertainment so that might be where this is going
Religion could definitely be considered as a form of escapism. But this wouldn’t make sense, remembering certain things Toby took out of chapter 1 because he didn’t want the game to be political. Originally, in the clover fight, I believe there were options to talk religion, talk gun control, etc
@@treeboy7282 I definitely agree with this, that religion is a form of escapism. Although I also do think there's a more definite theme here of definitive mediums (ie board games, internet, television) while religion is certainly broad. That's also why I'm stumped on the whole flower thing since that seems a bit broader too?
The room behind the double doors in Asgore's flower shop could be into his bedroom? If it is, then it could lead to another form of eacapism: sleeping.
I think that it would be interesting to look at considering the many motifs dark worlds and dreams share with each other.
entertainment? as in videogames? with avatars?
methinks this could get pretty fucked up
Really do love the ideas for flower king, especially seeing more of asgore. And even a small easter egg for flowey would be interesting.
Something else about the secret bosses though, is that jevil and spamton relate to genocide bosses, in reverse, jevil very much being compared to sans when chapter 1 came out, and spamton neo being a very obvious nod to mettaton neo. So possibly chapter 3 could have a secret boss themed around undyne the undying.
I really don't see how Jevil "relate to Sans", the two have nothing to do with each other.
@@sheogorath6834 didn't stop almost everyone trying to compare the two when chapter one came out
@@bookmarkobjectanimations123 I didn't see anyone comparing the two before chapter 2.
The fact that Spamton NEO was such a obvious reference to Mettaton NEO make people believe that Jevil was maybe a reference too.
@@sheogorath6834his attacks are pretty similar! They're kinda hard to compare, though, I agree
@@sheogorath6834 I guess on a character level they're both very clown-y on the surface but hiding/denying a darker part of themselves (depression/insanity/vague medium awareness). And the fights, though different, are both hard a f lol.
The wonders this guy does for the neurodivergent community
For everybody else also tbh
god's work fr
imagine in one of the chapters there's a town hall fountain, and when you enter it the game turns into a city building sim or map strategy game (or at least contains those elements as puzzles) Or maybe they could be used like a mechanic in the final battle, like in the queen fight
@26:41-.-It is possible that during the roaring all previous dark worlds will manifest in some state. This would make any carnival and circus elements in any other dark world less redundant, as "carnival" could be the theme that connect them all, which has implications of what could be in the chapter 3 dark world.
To add onto your theory of the Church being involved with a later chapter with Fantasy setting elements, in a Fantasy setting of a game, the churches tend to have high significance. This is also the case with games like the Dragon Quest franchise, where many games in that franchise has the church be significant. What you are provided for visiting it can differ from game to game. For some examples, some games make it where you have to go to for saving your game. But almost always in Dragon Quest games, it's where you go to for dispelling ailments on your party members like being cursed, or to revive them from death. And with the name of the game Noelle plays, "Dragon Blazers III", being perhaps a parody of the name of a game, that being "Dragon Quest III" (unless there's a different game it's parodying off of that has a similar name to, that I don't know about. I'm out of touch with many games from the retro eras), which is often a fan favorite among the die-hard fans of Dragon Quest as a whole, perhaps that can birth some references into Deltarune of that game. We know likely anything beyond the name of "Dragon Blazers III" is off the table of being a parody of Dragon Quest III, as, because I played Dragon Quest III, the things Noelle talks about Dragon Blazers III, they're not something you'd find in Dragon Quest III. There's no pacifist actions you can do to spare enemies in Dragon Quest in general. Also, a side note, at first Dragon Quest III was localized as "Dragon Warrior III" before adopting the Japanese name of the franchise as the localized name, and initially being a home console game, but did get a gameboy port, before getting an enhanced port to mobile and Nintendo Switch. Back to the initial point at hand, perhaps the Church could have some sort of holy magical things from it perhaps being in a Dark World, as religion is very important in some fantasy setting games. Tabletop RPGs for example, Clerics gain their healing powers from their faith in their god or goddess they worship. And in games, religion in fantasy settings is often use either as a way of recovery, like perhaps December Holiday or those who care about her missing could get aid of, or, religion in fantasy setting games, is used in a negative manner. Like having religion tied to evil, and so could be involved with the "Angel's Heaven", which is shown negatively when Ralsei is talking about it. Sorry for all this rambling, I tend to stay off the main topic of what I started to talk about for, in favor of over-explaining things that are not needed to be over-explained. My family cuts me off when I talk too much cause they know I will over-explain things, and they do not have patience for all that
Something I think a lot of people don't realize about the church is that it doesn't need to align with real-life religious practices. Alvin has already confirmed that sin and confession aren't a thing in this world's religion, so why would we assume that Sunday mass is a thing too? I do think we'll get a fountain in the church, but I think a lot of people focus too much on trying to connect the church to real-life Christian practices.
The lack of sin for their religion is a unique take to me. Because while I do agree that certain things that would be considered sin in Christianity proper might not be for the Deltarune faith, their religion probably still has a code of ethics of what is right and wrong or why the religion should even be followed at all.
29:51 QC is seen in the diner- she gives Kris the hot cocoa
No, she is a waiter.
@@hardy6876 her sprite name in both Deltarune is spr_np_qc
@@hardy6876 Nah, the purple bunny who gives the cocoa is most likely QC, her sprite in the code is called spr_npc_qc (Sprite > NPC > QC)
Presumably she's the same shopkeeper as the one in Snowdin in Undertale, but the lighting in her shop in Undertale makes it hard to tell if she's purple there too.
When hearing about predictions for the ending, I always think back on what Toby Fox said about it in a FAQ, that his inspiration for Deltarune comes from the ending of a game he dreamt up while in a fever dream. And how the sole reason he bothered to start making that game which he admits would take years of effort to complete, is because he wanted this ending to be made.
Early concept art from 2014 shows that Kris, Susie and Ralsei were already thought up before undertale even came out. Makes you think whatever Toby Fox saw in that dream, the fun gang was there already conceptualized, in this ending.
Hello again Greame! Glad you are still making videos. Just hang in there, I suspect that the channel will enter an era of prosperity in june.
Toby says our choices dont matter but clearly if you do the weird route, your choices have a very big effect. So my interpretation is no matter what path you take the end result will ultimately be the same
Did Toby say our choices don't matter, or did Gaster say that?
@@MirrormnOnly Susie
*warning: a debatably philosophical and comprehensible rant ahead that is ether severely out of place or right where it belong's*
well they do matter, but in that case it's more of a contextual change that would make it all hit harder, the player put's in so much effort, make's kris loose so much to get a bad ending, only to be left with the same conclusion, if not a bit more hollow, they waste their time hoping that everyone is wrong, there's is something, choices do matter, & you do so much wrong, refuse to listen, do the bad thing's, act like an ass, and expect to be rewarded for acting like a bad person,
all for what, just to see what would happen, to prove the power's above wrong,
there is only one ending, you'r choices don't matter, and yet you'r first instinct is to be the bad guy, did you even try to get a good one,
even if in a game this is still applicable to the real world in a way, there is one ending, and it's called death, if there is only 1 ending why make people miserable, why make them sad, what point will that prove, but what satisfaction will that give you when you reach the same ending, who would you have left, what point would you be proving, so why do that when you can make other's less miserable, help other's, make a legacy people can enjoy, have a positive influence on the world around you, there's no point that can be made, there's no one to prove wrong, there's one ending, so why make your action's harmful when you can make the journey for other's better, and your's along with it.
While I agree that ICE-E and the Cafe might not make for very expansive Dark Worlds, I do feel like there's potential for them as a combined experience.
One of my theories on the later chapters is that we're eventually going to have a chapter with multiple Dark Worlds, and you can go between them by going through the Light World. This would expand on how you can go in and out of Castle Town at the end of chapter two. These two would be perfect for related (both food/restaurant themed), but still distinct Dark Worlds.
Given that there's no chance in hell that the carnival/festival isn't going to be hugely significant, they could easily tie in there. I think they're too interesting to be completely irrelevant, but not interesting enough to stand on their own. Making them a component of something else (which is basically what they are in town) would let them get the right amount of attention.
I love watching your videos on Christmas season, I have been doing it 2 years now
I wish I had a little bit more lined up for the year end here! Hopefully I'll have 1 more coming down the pipe before the years end ;)
The community knows that some things are rare to happen.
But to think of it makes us imagine a place and an time where it could of happened and could happend just like Deltarune and Undertale.
Same things but with different stories, sometimes we wish for the old to return, or for the new to prosper in a way that could attract us and with solid logic of why it can happen.
Its.... very, very....
*_Interesting_*
Awesome theories! I wasn't even thinking about the carnival/Roaring pairing, or Asgore's shop but now that I've heard it, it just makes too much sense.
I think one theme that I'm surprised tends to get overlooked is the relationship a child has with their parents and the expectations placed on them. Both chapters so far (excluding Weird Route) have ended with the final boss being defeated, not by the Delta Warriors, but by their child/metaphorical child standing up to them and forging their own path in spite of their parent's wishes. And given Toriel's (almost certain) inclusion in Ch3, it wouldn't be strange to see that trend continue. She's always been very protective of her kids, and I imagine she might object to Kris's heroics in the Dark World, on the grounds that it's too dangerous, and the normal route for the chapter will end with her accepting Kris and Susie's exploits, allowing them to do what has to be done.
Plus, there's plenty of other characters who could fit into that theme as well. Susie clearly has some issues at home, Catty clearly feels like she doesn't quite fit in with the rest of her relatives, and Asriel/Ralsei could be used to explore Asgore's issues as a parent and his relationship with his kids.
Here is an idea and a bit of a question for everyone what item could become our main cast's end game weapons?
Like Susie forgoing axes and using Gerson's hammer, or bad route weapons like Ralsie's being a hangman's noose etc.
There's always the option of both on the carnival world, where it starts as a normal fun carnival and then the apocalypse hits
18:27 I do like both ideas that he could in the end die or he could be cured. But I think thats going to be a thing where we make a choice to either help him or not for some reason. Maybe not helping him will help find des or maybe it could be a case of "save one or the other". You cant forget this game will most likely have multiple endings
I’m surprised that when you talked about the potential for a water level, you didn’t mention the River Person in Undertale, who has a chance of saying the line “Did you ever hear the old song coming from the sea?” and Onionsan in Deltarune actively mentions that he’s heard the song BEFORE which could relate to that OLD song
@24:30-.-I think it would be funny if it starts out like a normal dark world, but then after you meet a carnival themed character they immediately turn to stone because the roaring is happening. I imagine this would confuse Susie quite a bit.
Idea for the church chapter:
-Noelle dad dies, there is funeral in which either:
1: Noelle runs away into the forest
2: they go from graveyard Then it transfers to the church, where Noele runs away to some special room
- Noelle and the gang are transferred to the Dark world
-this dark world would have 3 themes that will be changing which will represent us traveling from either forest->graveyard->church or church->graveyard->forest
-Forest will either have hunting theme, chase theme, or simple wild theme with maybe horror theme
-graveyard will have normal Halloween theme, or undead theme
-church will either be horror church theme if it will be last part or be holly place if it will be a place where we start
-we will meet Noelle lost sister in either forest and she will partially join like Suzie in chapter 1 or she will only partially appear and quickly hide when we start in the church and fully meet her when reaching the forest
-Noelle dead/dying father will appear in Graveyard chapter, he might be in the grave and unable to leave and we will open his coffin, or he will be undead. We might also meet other already dead characters there
-After we solve the Dark fountain we will have an epilogue with us sitting at the graveyard with some deep conversations etc. and Toriel might drive to the church to pick us up, or we would travel to the lake where Azriel could come back and meet us, which would then transfer to us going to Azgor flower shop
18:09 I don’t think Rudy will get healed in a dark world… but if he did, it would be with susie’s “ultimate healing” instead of with ralsei’s. Idk, it just feels more “right” that way.
15:22 you forgot to mention that, according to Susie, chapter 2 is a Friday, which means that chapter 4 would be Sunday.
this is assuming that each chapter takes an entire day which may not be correct
The idea of basing a dark world on Gerson's fiction seems super plausible to me. Rather than locations, I'm thinking about dark worlds in the future chapters more in terms of the creative/fictional/entertainment products they'll derive from. Fantasy books are a great match for that.
The idea of an Asriel/Asgore/flower chapter makes a lot of sense narratively, but I don't think there's anything to base a dark world on in that location - no creative spark. It may be that Asgore takes Asriel and Kris somewhere else on a trip, or it may be that Asgore sets up some kind of entertainment for Asriel in preparation for him staying there. Of the common forms of entertainment media that haven't yet been touched on, I think movies would be the most likely shot in the dark, if the apparent upcoming TV chapter doesn't cover too many of those ideas first.
I just wanted to mention this
7 chapters
7 mages
7 souls
1st secret boss:
Fought with the red soul
2nd secret boss:
Fought with the yellow soul
Didn't spamton want a soul so he could escape the dark world? If he already had a soul that doesn't make much sense
*The yellow soul
@@veradistheeggcat229 How do you even get the "already had a soul" part?
@@sheogorath6834They misunderstood it looks like lol
Isn't the soul yellow for the Spamton fight?
But the idea of having a different soul color for each secret boss is definitely interesting!
C stands for Carol or Caroline, the first name of Mayor Holiday. This is in keeping with the Christmas theming.
I've also heard Comet. Like one of Santa's reindeer.
Christina, perhaps.
While I like the idea of gaster being tied to the bunker my pet theory is that the bunker is an entrance to the underground, as in where undertale took place. Not the same one, I think delta rune is an alternate reality. What I believe is that the war being humans and monsters did happen in deltarune and this time it was the humans who were locked up. A couple decades if not hundreds of years later kris somehow escapes and is adopted by the dreamurs, the reason why it hasn’t been mentioned by anyone is cus the war is treated like a horrible atrocity like the holocaust and who’s going to bring up something that they fee indirectly guilty about to a victim of that situation. Just my personal theory idk if it will come true
An idea I like is that to change things up and also add a sense of escalation is to have more than 1 fountain being discovered/opened per chapter, possibly some smaller darkworlds scattered around like for example the diner, or Susie's home, places that potentially have a lot of meaning but are a lot more succinct.
that seem's like what would happen if the or a knight was starting to get desperate.
Here are some of my predictions
Dark worlds (in no order):
Tv world
Flower world
Church world
Bunker world
Sans and Papyrus house world, for funnys
I also belive that Papyrus gets introduced as a new student at some point
Seam being the final secret boss would be fun and intresting
Please not Seam
I like the idea of Seam being a neutral party in this. I have no idea what their deal is, or what role they'll have in the larger game? But I'm curious to learn more!
I don't think Seam really cares about anything enough to bother fighting us lol
I just want more gaster stuff man
I always assumed that we would get a group project duo in each chapter. Ch1 had kris&suzie, ch2 had noelle&berdly, it would be strange to miss out on catti&jockington and monsterkid&snowy and temmie&egg(s). I'd put catti&jockington in the church, since catti & kris did occult shit together. Monsterkid&snowy would fit in the TV world since snowy is into stand-up comedy and monsterkid is just a Big Fan of Things which works great in a TV setting (and would make it easy to disprove this theory if they don't show up lol).
I think the thing about the duos is right, but Monster Kid & Snowy and Temmie & Eggs is sooo boring.
Ch 3 I guess will be Undyne and Toriel. Ch 4 might be Catti & Jockington
Other duos I Can think of are Asgore & Alphys, Rudy & Alvin and Asriel & Des
@@chicken0w044 true, but i thought berdly would be boring until he got a bigger role! I think toby would make it interesting somehow
@@nautil_us i mean, the only duo I really can’t see is Temmie and Eggs, because of the nature of the character. It’s literally just a shit post character
one theory i thought of while watching this video, though it's extremely specific and i admit it's very unlikely:
in a future chapter, it's going to be revealed that when lightners spend too long in dark worlds, they start to be split across realities like gaster was when he "fell into his creation" (i seriously doubt this line from undertale is referring to the core since it's just a big geothermal generator. falling into it would have just incinerated gaster, not done any weird multiverse shenanigans). then it's going to be revealed that the doors south of town lead to a dark world that's existed for god knows how long (perhaps ralsei could even be from there), and that dess fell down there and the strange text people have found in the files of chapter 1 and 2 has been dess screaming out into the void and we in real life heard her cries for help.
also i think a future chapter, possibly the final one, will bring back the lore detail undertale established about human and monster souls becoming extremely powerful when mixed together.
My guess is that the game will have a main set ending, but will require multiple playthroughs to see the true ending. We've already seen that each of the three SAVES has it's differences, we know that there's a series of long term collectables like the eggs and shadow crystals. We also know Toby has, at least with Undertale, shown that you don't always get the true ending right away, even if you finish a playthrough. You may have to start a new save with a finished save parallel to it, go back with prior knowledge (or perhaps bring items/characters back from the "future" with a reset to the start of the game).
With the allusions to WDGaster involved, and the inclusion of the weird route in Chapter 2, and in UT how the Pacifist/true ending changes if you did a prior Genocide - not to mention the various themes/elements of time/dimensions not only in DR/UT, but in side content like the sweepstakes, not to mention the potential gold mine that is Skies Forever Blue (the collab song Toby Fox made with themes of corrupted game saves/glitches and time travel) - I full am on board with the idea that the contents of earlier chapters may change, perhaps minor perhaps massively, if you've completed a playthrough or have a finished game save in another slot.
Ralsei also seems to know more than they let on - seemingly aware of the player themselves, which also suggests that Ralsei is trying to push things in such a way that let them manipulate Kris the same way we'd manipulate characters like Noelle. There's a clear end goal, or perhaps Ralsei has been through this game's cycle so much that they take on the equated role of Flowey - someone who manipulated the timeline before our interference. Maybe they're not as violent as Flowey, maybe they are and are trying something different or know the best approach to manipulating us is through kindness. This would explain his knowledge of the "Prophecy", his peculiar actions/responses, Kris' reaction to their tea, heck even the parallel of both Flowey and Ralsei being the ones to introduce the battle mechanics of the game, including button controls. They know what a SAVE is, but pretend not to later on.
I agree with your general chapter structure - 3 being the character dissection of Toriel, the introduction of Alyphs and Undyne, 4 being church themed and exploring themes of grief or loss with Rudy and Gerson (who's gravestone may end up animating in his image with the help of the stories in his books kept at the Church).
But I disagree with 5. I don't think Asriel will return until either chapter 6 or 7. Instead, we'll see a retrospect into the fall Asgore had, compare and contrast with the mayor - Noelle's mom - who is likely the one enforcing the overdue rent we see mention of in the flower shop. This could explore themes of duty, Asgore not taking care of himself after failing to find Dess as the Police Chief and his fall from grace and failed marriage - meanwhile the same sense of duty and failure could be explored in Noelle's mom, who likely buried herself in her work and became more stern/strict in response to the loss of Dess - and how the two butt heads for emotionally processing the same situation differently, both meanwhile dealing with some kind of estranged marriage. We know that Asgore & Rudy have had a relationship of some kind prior due to the christmas dialogues on the site, and this might play into it as well - maybe allowing the two to connect as both might care deeply for Rudy and feel similarly about his failing health. This chapter could take place in the Flower Shop, or the Mayor's office, and it'd work well in either. If it did take place in the Flower Shop, it could tie into the "water level" of the beach to a degree, but that's just a spit take.
I do like the idea that the incoming festival will play crucial part into the Roaring. I suspect that the Roaring will begin shortly before or after Asriel's return, and we'll begin to fully grasp who the Knight is supposed to be (Asriel? Gaster? The Unused Vessel? Kris? Who?). Overall, I am hyped up for the releases of chapter 3 and 4, and can't WAIT until we see more.
@15:18-.-It is possible that hometown works like Japan, and they just don't have Saturday off of for school. There is going to be a "town fair", and Japan is known for their festivals, and since the game is being localized for Japanese, it could be possible that hometown is meant to have both Eastern and western elements? I'm just bawling, but just a thought that comes to mind. I can't rule it off the table.
pretty overstreched. Culture thing is REALLY complicated/unknown in deltarune
@@hardy6876-.-Agreed, it is kind of a stretch, but it's an idea that popped up in my head occasionally, and it might be good to table it and keep it in mind going into future chapters, just in case. Plus, it would be funny if "the whole town turns into some sort of carnival" is just Susie's understanding of a Japanese cultural festival, or at least I would think that was funny. I don't know, It's kind of just brain rot kicking in, but I still feel compelled to share.
One thing I'm surprised you haven't predicted is stuff involving Ralsei, I don't trust Ralsei. Funny fluffy boy but he's definitely letting on more than what he knows. Ever since ch2 I realised his role could play more nefariously within the story and I think toby was setting up seeds to make you question what his actual intentions are. I'm suspecting over time he's going to backstab Kris, Susie, etc. or have his actual intentions shown once Asriel becomes a bigger role.
lol this was briefly touched upon in the recent Re-Examining "SANS IS A DARKNER" video
you mean he knows more than he lets on? you got it the wrong way round
Undertale Easter Egg Names:
Sans
Toriel
Alphys
Asgore
Undyne
Papyru(s)
Catty
Bratty
Gerson
Deltarune exclusive names:
QC
Jockington
Berdly
Catti
Rudy
QC - Light World item seller.
Catti - Same as QC, possible party member
Jockington - Also possible party member
Berdly - Has entered a Dark World, possible party member
Rudy - Association with Noelle, may enter a Dark World
If they do a church Dark World it'll 100% have a religious commentary considering Toby's background and i'm all in for it
You know when a person enters a dark world their outfit and looks change I would love if asriel enters a dark world and becomes flowey but good as he said
Or he appears like how he was in his God of hyperdeath form
Hacı karakterin humanoid kalması lazım ama.
also, the names that the game responds to in the vessel creation, they're for characters that have their faces in the dialogue box, they are important in some way
and the water fountain would make sense cause we know kris has a story with oceans and there is a sound named ocean.ogg connected to him
i heared some theories about the gaster bunker could lead to a factory underground where he's residing
one final thing, an ice fountain could make sense if you considered ice is real thanks to the sweepstakes, and he could be a recreation of omega flowey also because toby made a gumball machine with photoshop and put it in the sweepstakes for some reason wich could be used in ice's model
that's all
0:52 no we GET 7 but toby has only worked much on 3-5 at the moment out side of 1-2 so it’s confirmed
Firstly, the video is great, very interesting predictions raised, I really enjoyed it.
One point that wasn't considered though, is that while the timeline of the chapters makes sense as described, the way chapter 2 ended makes me think that chapter 3 could happen overnight, and chapter 4 then on Saturday during the day, the ending of chapter 3 setting up the the church with the next fountain before, or during, the vigil mass. Then, if chapter 5 happened overnight as well, then 6 could happen on Sunday, for the start of the carnival, and 7 as an epilogue and dealing with the aftermath of chapter 6, on Monday or still on Sunday.
Also, if Asriel came and stayed for the weekend, arrived on Saturday during chapter 4 and left on Monday, the climax on chapter 7 could happen in either Sunday afternoon/evening or Monday.
Anyway, really excited to play it! Hoping it will be soon 🤞
12:09 I think it will be a bunker, cause each time a fountain appears, there's usually a set of double doors. Plus, it would be an interesting idea to use it!
Y'all, it's highly likely that the purple bunny who serves you in QC's diner *is* QC. Her sprites are literally named spr_npc_qc. Not to mention the general "I own this place" vibes she gives off.
Something interesting to note: each of the secret bosses so far has had some theming related to a carnival ride (merry-go-round, rollercoaster) if this pattern continues i think we may see them return in some way for the carnival
river person also speaks about the song from the sea in undertale
Out of all the chapters that haven't released yet (besides 3) 4 being the church is the one I have been the most confident about being right for all the reasons you brought up, but also because chess theory would say that chapter 4 would be the Biship as the villain.
I love prediction videos and theory videos and you channel has all of that (one of the best youtubers ive seen in a while)
Don't know if someone else has mentioned this, I usually read a lot of the top comments but didn't see this idea come up, but if you want another idea for gerson maybe if the fountain opens and swallow the graveyard his bones could be sucked in. The power of the dark world giving him a new form, either as an undead like you alluded to not wanting to talk on, or maybe just a spirit/just him as he once was? Ty for the fun video btw
If you don't mind me adding some points, I've got a few ideas. I'm sure that most of what I'm going to say is a bit redundant, but I wanted to put it out there just in case.
First, in regards to Fountains being made only in places with double doors --- the front entrance of Toriel's house is not a double door, and I think it's pretty safe to say that Ch 3 will take place in the house. Not only that, but both doors to the Card Kingdom (main classroom entrance & door connecting to the closet) aren't double doors in the Light World either, and theoretically someone could have entered that dark world directly through the classroom door instead of the closet door like we do. I don't think that this point really detracts from the main points of the fountain location theories, but it's worth noting that we shouldn't discredit locations just because they don't have the right door style.
Second, as far as using a fantasy-substitute for religion in a church-based Fountain, I don't think that's likely or necessary. Already both Undertale and Deltarune have had some significant religious themes. Hell, the main plot of Deltarune is to "banish the Angle's Heaven", with imagery of angels (Noelle), demons/devils (Jevil, Gaster), and prophets (Spamton). Toby uses general religious motifs/imagery constantly, and thus I don't think it's too far a stretch to say that there could be a Fountain in the church/graveyard that focuses on the Angel, Knight, or other.
Again, I'm sure that most of the points I've made are kinda repetitive or unnecessary, but I think it's good to consider at the very least.
i really like these theories, i’ll probably come back to write some more of my own but for nowi just wanna say that i like how this video is done. i feel like a lot of people dont focus on overall narrative and instead just predict things that they think would be cool
I kind of hope that the bunker doors act like the door where you fight glyde does. In that when you beat the game the door will open (whether Toby has us dodging credits again or not) and reveal yet another developer room, or something fun like that. I think it is just a red herring for the story though.
And the roaring happens on Friday on the carnival with asriel and papuyrus, it just makes sense
Pretty sure QC is actually the bunny in the diner, she owns it! She was also the shopkeeper in snowdin in undertale!
Not sure the graveyard will be a dark world because it’s outside a room but the Forest could count as inside since it can has a dark over coat :)
Oh god here goes the next 42 minutes of my night XD
I should get to bed, will watch in the morning! Love all your videos ;D
@19:29-.-I think I agree with your assessment that the waterworld is on the bottom of the prediction list. On that note, since Deltarune is clearly shaping to have themes of escapism vs accepting reality, I think it's likely that a variety of NPCs are supposed to have the own little arcs to give the message of how reality can be just as interesting as fiction, if you're willing to look into it. Catty and Bratty are the second most obvious example, since we get implications of their relationship progressing through their dialogue, but Onion-son is the most obvious example, due to reasons you've already mentioned in this video. So I think it's likely that Onion-son will form the band they've been wanting to form, with Shyren being a part of said band, and we'll see them play during the end credits. It just seems too thematically appropriate not to do it.
15:26 Saturday mass is a thing
I think the bunker is going to be a fountain. It could even be where Dess is! My reasoning for this is that I think it might have a connection to Gaster, and Gaster is ALWAYS seemingly present and his motifs and scraps in undertale could be related. I think he ties the games somewhat together!
29:50 We've actually already seen QC in both games AND the diner! She is the purple bunny who was the shopkeeper in Snowdin, and she is seen as an overworld sprite at the diner's register that you can talk to in Deltarune.
I think another place a fountain could be is the police-taped-off woods next to the police station. there's a lot of theories that this is where dess went missing, and it could be interesting to have a fountain there to explore that (maybe in place of the flower shop or church?? those both feel like definites though)
The roaring will be at the end of chapter 6 and most of chapter 7
4:11 Small correction, we've actually been shown 3 Dark Worlds. The Castle Town and Card Kingdom are 2 separate Dark Worlds created by 2 separate Dark Fountains. We literally see both Dark Fountains. The Castle Town is the transformed supply closet, and the Card Kingdom is the transformed unused classroom.
I don’t think we’ll go to the bunker until chapter 7
thank you for this!! i'm obsessed with this game so i really appreciate new deltarune content
Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh Story of Deltarune
Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh Story of Deltarune
I fell from the light
Trying to find the chalk on time
The feeling of impending doom
This is my Deltarune
I fell through a closet in my high school
With Susie I faced the Jack of Spades on top of a stone
They were feeling alone!
Wants to stop me from getting home
We meet Ralsei, they invite me to their castle dome
And follows me to Susie’s regicide
Closing off the golden door right from beside
Where should we go?
And we go along and meet some guards
Should I warn them about Susie’s attacks? Or should I let this slide?
I’m feeling clueless, I think I'll let the soul decide
I'm neutral but I’ve got a heart
That wants to play by its own part
I've got no control, and I've got no way out
I will gain freedom, and I will strike the player down
I fell from the light
Trying to find the chalk on time
The feeling of impending doom
This is my Deltarune
We traveled through the whole dark world
From the field to the king’s castle by the forest’s side
We stumbled upon Lancer, the prince of the kingdom nearby
Susie nearly choked and threatened his life
He finally had insight
We met him back later at a dark night
He greeted us with a new boss fight
Susie was impressed by his new lines
They became friends and turned their backs on us out of spite
This surely doesn’t feel so right
Should we leave them behind, or should we reunite?
I’m feeling that this’ll turn out fine
I’m neutral but I’ve got a heart
That wants to play by its own part
We’ll sit aside and let them have fun
And go along with the plans they have never done
Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh things have turned out good
Woah-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh Story of Deltarune
We met the duke of puzzles
With strategic struggles
He tried to keep us from proceeding three times in a row
Leave us alone!
Before this, things have already went abroad
Lancer left us in cage
Everyone felt scared all the same
We found a jester imprisoned behind bars
I think we’ve gotten so far
All this comes down to talking with a king
Should we talk him into remorse, or should we use force?
I’m feeling that this is going to get worse
I’m neutral but I’ve got a heart
That wants to play by its own part
But for now it doesn’t matter, we will never fall
We’ll defeat the king once and for all
Also depending on your choices Rudy will survive or not
The red doors at the bottom of the town could be an old closed fountain that asriel and Co opened and then closed, but Dess got closed inside it?
29:50 QC isn’t unseen. She’s the purple rabbit woman
i think maybe multiple dark worlds being open/explorable at once may be a big thing later on. when i first played the opening of chapter 2 where you had to gather the classroom objects and bring them back to castle town, that that was confirmation for that but it didn't come up again... it's possible i guess?
My predictions? I think Ralsei is a vessel based on Asriel. The vessel we make at the beginning of the game kind of feels like it was based on Kris, so maybe Gaster (or whoever was guiding us) had already tried having a vessel made, either by his own hand or someone else's.
I think that the bunker leads to the underground, and we'll get a cutscene of Kris fleeing the underground. 39:36