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A Ratings Scale For Packed Tube Carriages
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- Surely there's some kind of scale for measuring how packed a tube carriage is? There is now - we've just invented it!
Geoff hops onto the Northern line to show you exactly how it works, and now you can rate your journey as to how busy your carriage actually is.
Half points also possible, e.g.
"I was on a 2.5" - Two of the sections are filled up, but it's just you in the third section, or ...
"I was on a seven and half this morning", where you CAN read a newspaper, but people keep tutting and bumping into you.
The full scale is:
0 - An empty carriage
1 - Just you! In a carriage all to yourself
2 - More passengers than just you, but not all three 'compartment' areas occupied
3 - All three 'compartment' areas are now occupied
4 - All three areas heavily occupied, but seats still free, but with no one standing
5 - There are still a few seats free, but people have chosen to stand
6 - All seats are now gone, and there are several people standing
7 - Many people standing but still room to hold a newspaper
8 - Many more people standing, only room to hold a small book/smartphone
9 - Squashed in too close to people to be able to hold anything
10 - it's so tightly packed, you wouldn't fall over if the train braked sharply
11 - Not even able to get onto the train...
And of course on Southern there's also a MINUS one when there's no bloody trains at all!
Atheist Orphan Oh my god I remember that. Every brit I knew was complaining about on Twitter.
Nah, not every Brit. Only those filthy Southerners. ;)
Every brit I knew was from South. also hello from Canada! Britain's only useful child.
TheFlyingTank as far as I'm concerned Britain ends in north London. Everything else north from there may as well be Scotland
Joshi Yoshi Yeeeeah. But your football clubs just rewrote several songs for there theme. Like the French Ntnl Anthem or the US Marine Corps song.
If I ever see Geoff on the Tube in a 1/10 situation, I'm going to stand.
"Some men just want to watch the world burn"
We need to get TFL to print this on to their tube maps.
Number 13 = Urban Japanese Train at rush hour. 'Pushers' required to get the passengers on.
Jonathan Cook
14/10: Like indian train with passengers on top of the vehicle
I don't think passengers ridding on the top of tube trains (certainly underground) would have a particually long life expectancy....!!!
Jonathan Cook
But I can see them... 😧
I was going as about those pushes and how full they are
What about 12?
Some extra:
-1=no train
12-A pile of people pushing you
13-The platforms are also crowded
14-Train is so full,that you cant move and the station is full!
*long delays can cause #13
Victoria, Central and Northern lines...
@Bradley Duffy that’s a unmoveable train
Stage 15 : Literally a crowd crush
I love this, although I do think there is perhaps some magical hell around 10.999 - where entry to the train is still physically possible and can usually be obtained with some light physical violence, and if you already boarded the train under "10" conditions you suddenly find yourself even more squashed as any square inch of space in the carriage is filled by newspapers, phones, umbrellas, briefcases, hats, and flailing limbs. At 10.999, you know that you can't get on that train but you don't care, you're getting on anyway and not even an Orange-jacket is gonna stop you.
Getting OFF is often more difficult than getting on in the first place, particularly if you end up massaged into to the middle of a carriage and then have to Houdini yourself around 200 people just to get near the doors. You must plot your departure with military precision and commence the mission at least two stations from your destination. "Tactical" alightment is commonplace - ie, you voluntarily get off one or two stops before or after your intended destination to slightly reduce the chances of taking an elbow to the groin or (my personal favourite) getting your legs broken by some clever tourist using their oversized luggage like some kind of terrifying human snow plow.
Danny French haha just like where I'm from, except you pay for the tube, we have a free bus
More than true.
I think I'm quite lucky to be able to get on a fairly empty Overground train and stay near the doors whilst it fills to 10.999, and then tactically alight 2 stops early and not even bother attempting to get on the Jubilee Line. Even more so not to have to do it very often. There was one time I ended up by the doors on the other side of the carriage though. When it came to getting off, I fought my way through to find a whole bunch of people by the open doors clinging to the handrails for dear life - I actually had to tell them to step off to allow everyone else off the train. Morons.
I've witnessed idiots forcing their way onto a packed carriage and it's dangerous because the momentum gets distributed through the crowd and someone vulnerable can get suddenly crushed.
I never leave time on my commute for waiting for another bus so I have multiple times had the experience of being ordered off the bus by the driver because the doors could not close but then grabbing a handle and ridding on the outside. I don’t know if this counts as an 11 because I did get to my destination despite not being able to board
Anyone who's got on at Finsbury Park in the morning can tell you it goes past 11. You can't get on the train, you can't get on the next one, you can't get on the next one and they've closed the front gate to ease congestion inside.
Technically when you were explaining a 1/10 there was a cameraperson so it was 2/10 😉
Arran Parkinson or a 5 if he's standing
But if you looked at the credits, you'd realize "he" is actually a "she"...
Mike Cowen I never said he I said they....
+Arran Parkinson And I never said you said it. Unfortunately, YT dropped the tag for +Romain Savioz, who did say it.
Arran Parkinson A 5 because he is standing
The worst is when it's a 10 and somebody is facing directly at you and their breathing touches you. Or when somebody thinks it's the perfect time to bring out their sandwich.
I ate a Big Mac on the tube once. I was young...I'm...sorry.
Big Mac's all right. I mean, it's still hot food, so there will be smells, but they're... Acceptable, I guess. I've been on the Tube sitting opposite someone with a garlicky, oniony, casserole-like hot substance in a tupperware dish sitting right next to me. Plus she was eating on the platform before getting on the train, because she sat down and didn't miss a beat forking the stuff in. We could smell it before the doors had opened. Now THAT'S a huge no-no.
think about fart
Jubilee line horror stories...
well, i've only been to london once (for 20 days) and I've experienced the whole expectrum xD
The 11 is known as "the Manchester Metrolink"
Yay
And the 12 is known as the MBTA Green Line since they only run two car trains on the busiest light rail line in the United States
@@EoRdE6 13 is known as the hayes line
Nice logic, lets absurd it up! 12 is when you can't see train from platform (happened to me once in Moscow), 13 is when you can't get down to platform, 14 is basically Walking Dead episode pitch when you can't even get into the lobby. 15 and up is in xkcd territory and will probably require Sci notation to describe Properly.
Кирилл Кондратенко
15 would be when you can’t even get in to the station, and 16 would be when the queue has leaked out onto the pavement outside. 17: the road itself has been filled. 18: the borough is now full. 19: county full. 20: The part of the country (eg south east, south west, West Yorkshire) full. 21: The whole of England is full. 22: Uk full. 23: Even Ireland is full. 24: Whole of Europe. 25: The Eurasian plate. 26: The entire world
@@anotherdelta 26: In which you would need to go to Mars.
City Line between bank and waterloo.
Many intimate moments with unwilling participants.
Your choice is to either be the front spoon or the back spoon.
Not great when the other spoon has a manlier beard and sweatier armpit than me.
Back in the days of the "Home International" football tournaments at Wembley, I was once in a tube full of inebriated and uncompromising Scotsmen...when there was a 40 minute power outage. Easily a 15 I'd say.
Technically when the train is so packed that you can't get in, it's still a 10/10 because the only time a 10/10 can possibly occur is when the carriage is absolutely full (otherwise it's a 9/10).
:)
Coming home this evening I was on a 5, then changed trains but the first one was an 11, but then another 5 came in only 1 minute later.
My commute also included a 2 on the DLR, which became a 6 by the time I got off.
shall we say "0 to 11 Geoff's" to make it a official standard.
I've been on a new style District Line train where I was the only person on the entire train. Apart from the driver of course.
Which station
Loved this! I would say by comparison the single commuter train line that runs by my house to Wellington (New Zealand) during peak hours would be an 6/10 after 2 stops and an 8or9/10 by the time it reaches the main Wellington terminal 50mins later.
For anyone wondering what the scale was:
0/10 No people at all
1/10 One singular person (ie. you got on the empty carriage)
2/10 Two people on the carriage
3/10 All three mini sections of seats separated by gaps have people on
4/10 More people filling up seats but still empty gaps
5/10 Empty seats but one person (at least) has elected to stand
6/10 All seats taken and room to wave your arms around (gently) whilst standing
7/10 Space to open a newspaper to read whilst standing
8/10 Space to go on your smartphone but not read a newspaper whilst standing
9/10 No space to hold anything, not even a newspaper or smartphone
10/10 So full that you do not need to hold onto anything as other people around you stop you falling over when the train brakes
11/10 So full that you cannot even get on the train in the first place
12/10 - Tokyo rush hour - it's full, you can't get on, but station staff cram you in anyway.
The cta brown line is always a 666/10
13/10 is Mumbai trains when people die because they hit a pole hanging on the outside of the train. 14/10 is when people end up sitting on top of the train and die by electrocution.
Awful lot of semibreves on those trains
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭
So I was on a 6 this morning.
This applies really well to the NYC subway. I'm gonna send this to my friends and use this!
"From zero to Spinal Tap, how full was your train?"
Once I was on the Piccadilly Line and they had to reopen the doors three times because people couldn't get on the train without being crushed by the doors.
I dont care how full the trains are, i still loving London and the tube ❤❤❤
Why don't you just make 10 busier? 😂
But this goes up to 11. (Nice quote!)
Couldn't resist it! 😎
It makes sense for 11/10 to be over capacity
When I was in 9th grade (portugal) we had a school trip to London for our last year of middle school. About 50 students went. On the last day, monday, we went to a market in the morning by tube before going to the airport and the group had to spread through 3 carriages. All of them were 9/10 before we got in. After that, they were a 10
A bit off topic here, but in Singapore a few years back, bus service 190 did not have much buses and thus leading the crowd level to go to 15/10. A passenger even got his hand stuck by the bus doors somehow. Luckily, the amount of buses serving 190 has increased with the introduction of double deckers on SMRT buses, and crowd level during peak hours have lessened to about 8/10.
There are more levels of fullness- I have seen trains that are too full to get on- but after the third train that passes which is too full to get on, the next train that comes which is too full to get on miraculously becomes full enough for a whole family with pushchair, and the young couple who pushed in front of them
We have a local anomaly in Munich: The door areas (three per carriage) are full to crushing but there are still seats free. The "logic" goes: "It's not worth it sitting down."
This is where the transport engineers come in and inform Geoff of Level Of Service LoS calculations between LoS A and LoS F...
10/10 is the Piccadilly line when winter wonderland is up
11 out of 10 happened to me on the Bakerloo line...when the train pulled into the platform, I though to my self, do I really want to get on this train!
Fun fact: the Richter scale goes from -infinity to +infinity, a -7 would be the Dallas football team (american football!) crashing into your garage door, and the richter scale even goes beyond 10, but no instances of this are known to my knowledge. There's an XKCD "what-if" article on it
So most of my morning commutes on the met line are between a 9 and 11... good scale Geoff! Although I have also caught trains on weekends that have been a 1 or 2.
10/10, packed like sardines. always the case at peak hours for the central/piccadilly lines
I was on a DB train once, it was maybe an 8 or 9, and they said "oh, this train is too full, would passengers without seat reservation please leave the train". I had a reservation but my coach was missing, so I left and took a regional train, which brought me actually faster to my destination than the original direct train
Classic DB and ÖBB move!
Tudy Cookings So annoying
+SimonHellinger deffo! DB and ÖBB always manage to mess you up with every single train journey -.-
Tudy Cookings In the last couple of years I had maybe one or two journeys that worked as published in the timetable
DB trains love breaking.
I was travelling from Sylt to Hamburg-Altona (direct route) but 2 trains broke as Husum and Itzehoe. The third train got us to Hamburg.
Green park to Victoria on Monday night was most definitely a 15/10. We had to let 5 11/10 trains pass before we could get to the edge of the platform to even attempt getting on one!
I am a student at UCL. Every day when I finish my uni and try to catch the Victoria line from the nearby Warren Street station, the train is always 11/10.
Is there a Stupid/Tourist out of 10 when people watch several emptyish carriages pass them as the train arrives, the one that stops in front of them is packed, but they don't zip along the platform to a car with space but instead just try to cram on the one right there? It could also be called a King's Cross/10...
12= A typical train in Singapore during rush hour. Especially at the City Hall, Raffles Place and Jurong East Stations.
When I was on a train to Boston last year, I was on a 10 getting off. So full I was sitting and couldn't even move. But when I got on at the second stop, it was only a 3.
2 days ago i ran into a 11/10 train in the Stockholm Subway. It seems we need to build way faster now after standing still for the past 30 years.
I love how we just don't care when there's someone filming right in front of you.
Well this is unexpectedly important in 2020!
So my train in the morning in switzerland is with this Rating a 8.5 or a 9... Nice Video
I like how he just narrates out loud in a typical tube train with no damn given
8 o clock district eastbound line trains at Gloucester road are an 11 for sure sometimes, people at Gloucster road just have that sad look on their faces "im gonna be so late"
A 10 should be when you struggle to get off, that happened to me a few weeks ago. Someone actually said to me, "tough, you can't get off". So what's the only thing I could do? I pushed them out of the way (someone fell off the train) and I got out
pretty much a ten from Balham to Moorgate in the Morning Rush Hour, then goes down to about an eight up to King's Cross.
there's a lot to be said for living at a terminus station, get one of the 'best' seats ;). But now with Night Tube you will hear the whistles if you live too near.
I saw an 11 at Edgware Road once.
The train I was on was going to Tower Hill, but it unexpectedly terminated at Edgware Road.
The next train was an 11.
what's the official maximum that the carriages are designed to hold?
Typically transit vehicles have tow numbers one is the normal capacity and the other is crush capacity
The European Standards in use since a few years as well as the previous standards specify the following :
- for the dimensioning of the structures (carbody, bogie) and the performance of the safety braking system : all seats occupied + 8 standing persons per square meter (which is "EL8" or previsously "AW4") ;
- for the dimensioning of the traction system to work to its full specified performance : all seats occupied + 6 standing persons per square meters ("EL6" or "AW3").
Stéphane Fontaine thank you
If you go to Baker Street Southbound Bakerloo to the rear end of the platform you will see trains come in with the second and/or third carriages ram-packed on 10 and the rear carriage on 0.
Feel free to pop by Tokyo someday and have all of your illusions shattered about what constitutes a packed carriage. What I saw here barely registers out here.
In Stockholm we have an official scale like this on the commuter trains.There is an app that uses real time data from the trains to tell you which one of the carriages on the train you plan to take is less busy.
I once was on a 10/10 on the Piccadilly line, for about 6 stops
11, been there and done that. Had to wait for, 5 tubes before I got standing (more like sardine in a tin) room.
I've got an 11/10 every day. Bloody central line.
This is a good idea but it needs greater resolution at the packed end. The worst regular over-crowding I've experienced on the Tube is a rush-hour southbound Northern Line train (Bank branch) as it hits Euston and King's Cross.
I had the "pleasure" of experiencing a 10 on the Central Line between Shepherds Bush and Bank at 8:30am, two weeks ago. NEVER. AGAIN.
The Central Line might also be the worst of the worst. I might be a foreigner but during my visits to London, I´ve learned to stay as far away from the Central Line as possible during rush hour... :D
Stockholm subways in the morning are almost always 8/10 to 11/10
while visiting one of the trips i went on was a 10/10, was being squashed against several other people
12 is when you have to wait outside the station as the rush hour crush is happening on the platform before you get on the train
It goes to 11. Brilliant!
Once got on a train at High Barnet, I was one of three people on the entire train...
Piccadilly Line the last few weeks has been constant 10/10 or 11/10 in the mornings
I've seen a whole range of values on this scale from 0 to 11 on my city's network. I don't take much notice of 0, but I have seen a 1 once and an 11 once in person.
They should develop a mobile app where people can submit ratings for how crowded their train carriage is on this scale. By collecting that data over a period of time (I'd say a year), it would give a picture of when and where the most overcrowding is and thus help to identify which routes and services should be given the greatest priority for investment in more capacity - not just in London, but the whole country. They could start by 'checking in' to the station where they're starting their journey (much like on social media), which would then open a list of the next services departing from that station, then they select which service they're getting and submit a rating when it arrives!
Love it
Nice Video! Will you be doing one for the buses aswell?
Liverpool Street Central Line westbound at 8.40 am on a weekday is a 12, i.e. you can’t get in the carriage first and you have to wait for another 3 or 4 trains to come.
LOTS OF PEPPLE IN TUBE CARRIAGE TRAIN!
I had a solid 9 on the Jubilee last Saturday evening
I vary my tube route in order to get a seat for the long parts of my journey.
To determine that an S stock carraige is a 3, combine the two seating areas at either end.
been on a central line 10 with 5 11 going past me. I was the only one who managed to get into my carriage but only because 1 person got off. my sister decided to get the bus instead back to Stratford as she got fed up of waiting for trains (I got back quicker)
Singapore trains is always #11. Crowded and packed all the time
Believe it or not I've been a 1/10 on the Bakerloo line at about 1:30 on a Friday afternoon between Oxford Circus and Charing cross and on the Northern line late morning/ early afternoon north of Camden town on the edgware branch I think it was north of golders green definitely above ground anyway and also on the central line between Greenford and West Ruislip and the metropolitan line between Rickmansworth and Harrow-on-the-hill so it does happen!!
You guys should create an app for people to log as they travel. You would get an independent busyness index.
It depends what time you enter the tube, also the station you're traveling through
I think Tokyo goes up to 12.
I've been to Tokyo and on a full train. I'd say around a 11.
Aren't Tokyo trains bigger though w
Definitely, 12 is when you can barely get on, but some polite attendants in white gloves spend a couple of minutes pushing people in.
In Manila,No pushing attendants but its reach 15(when the train are full and then a failure will come on)
In Newcastle, it goes to a 12.
That is when there would be ample room, but your train just came from St James, and contains celebrating Geordies!
A 13 is when a fight breaks out!
Shanghai metro lines during rush hour are 13/10. So full you have to wait 3 trains before finding one to squeeze into.
the scale does run into a problem if you consider that while still in the one or two range, someone gets on and stands anyway (say someone who's only going a short, one stop between two transfer points or a police officer on patrol). Does it jump to straight to 5?
In São Paulo, you'd have to create two more points to describe how crammed it is.
In Sydney, the maximum level of capacity compared to London, is about an 8.
Well, the best evaluation is by the passengers/train capacity.
In Beijing, a typical car capacity is 250, then, just count the possible passengers and divided by capacity, that is the official "full" rate.
In morning rush hours, many lines can goes up to 130%. Well the peak is ~2014 Changping Line, 147%. You just get on/off the train "automatically".
oh i thought he was going to give each tube line a rating during their peak time, that would be a good video idea!!!
So, I squeeze in when there appears to be no room. My writhing body makes contact with so many personal zones that I am .. Oh dear, have to go!
In bus line 493 (Belgrade - Mladenovac) in a bus with 45 seats and 17 standing they pack over 100 people.
11.5 you need to go all Tokyo Subway on the passengers to get the doors shut and locked properly.
Theoretical 12; the train just doesn't bother stopping.
I've been on a ten many times going from Penn to Times Square.
I'd say merge 1 and 2, and then shift all the conditions down by one. "2" is redundant because there isn't enough difference between having 1 extra passenger and having almost all seating areas "engaged" to affect you. You can still find an "isle" for yourself. I'd change 3 from having "engaged areas" (3 of them) to "engaged seat isles" (6 of them). So you get 10 back into scale. Because if 0/10 is no-one is on the train (not even you), then 10/10 is eveyone on the train except you (and a whole bunch of other people). The extremes match the absolutes.
And when your boss asks you why you were late you can answer "it was a condition TEN for the whole 15 minutes".
What about the Met Line, Circle/Hammersmith & City and District Lines? How would you measure that?
Would negative on this scale start when the bars to hold on to while standing are removed (repairs etc.) and would lower than that be when seats are starting to be removed until it is simply just an empty tube?
Southern trains have been an 11 for the past week anytime a train actually came
Extra (thanks for @ax2bxc for the idea) :
11 : The platform is almost crowded (and the same thing Geoff showed)
12 : The platform is 100% crowded.
13 : Some people have to wait for the train outside the platforms.
14 : There is an announcement that people must take the other train(since the current one is too crowded).
15 : The station is absolutely crowded with people unable to pass the ticket check.
16 : People are told to get out of the station and wait for a while.
Have you experienced one of these?
A 12: you fight to get in -- and are immediately spat out again.
There is actually a 12 level, which you failed to note. That's when it's so crowded you can't fight your way through the crowd to get off at your stop.