Atomos Ninja V+ Review (With Canon EOS R5)
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- čas přidán 2. 11. 2021
- The Atomos Ninja V monitor/recorder has been one of the most popular video accessories out there. We check out the new Ninja V+ with 8K video on the Canon EOS R5.
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Since this video was produced, Atomos dropped the Ninja V+ price from $1499 USD to $999 USD. We think this makes it far easier to justify paying the premium for the Ninja V+.
At that price, I'd be tempted to pick it up for a Z9.
Can you confirm that it records 8K30 or 4K120 ProRes HQ with that camera?
Your review made a huge $ difference! LOL
ooh? I want one but in Europe the lowest price is $2.080 (tax included) so I'm keeping my purchase off and will rent for now.
What are other options in the recorder space for around the same money?
Prices in Europe are dropped as well... nice!
Nice job, Jordan! 💜🙏
this is so pure
Undone HDMI cable.
Purple for undone
A great video and very helpful to those curious about this new update
Hi Jordan, you are the best. Thank you for being so honest in the conclusions. Cheers!
Great video!! This one helps me on going forward with the R5 together with the Ninja V +. I currently have the z7ii with the old Ninja V but the R5 combo with the V plus will be a step up.
Bought it. Great recorder. Flawless footage.
Great review Jordan. I’ve been using the V+ with the A7SIII for a couple months and have been loving it. As you said, it’s the future updates that had me upgrade to the plus.
Hi Matthew, is the fan noise on v+ a problem?
Do a new MacBook Pro with M1 Pro or Max vs Chris’ gaming laptop 😊
Excellent video as always 👌
Thanks, Jordan! Very interesting!
You both always answer my needs. Only reviewer I found that answered the fan noise question. Easily would have purchased this for the better fan. A big fail there.
Glad to know more about legacy issues from the original Ninja V. I considered the Plus, but decided to hold off and wait for whatever comes next (v6?).
The main advantage of using the Ninja V+ for 8K from the R5 is to get around the camera's overheating.
Not to mention what you save from buy overpriced CFExpress cards. 512 CFExpress cost as much as a standard Atomos Ninja V LOL, 1tb ssd is about $100
Canon R5C is coming and if its less than £1000 more than the R5 it might be better for 8K no limit no overheating.
@@grumblewoof4721 You give up a lot with the R5C though. Most notably, it has no IBIS and it shuts off the lens mount controls when recording in certain modes. Half the allure of the fancy new RF mount is its novel lens control system!
I just upgraded from V to V+ . I think everyone should upgrade and future proof. Nice video by the way,,..
Great video. I'm leaning towards the 7 inch cheaper displays that seem to offer tons of the latest features like the Desview R 72. Any comparisons guys?
Apart of the processor, Ninja V has been limited by it's HDMI standard (I think it's 2.0), so high frame rates and bandwidths are blocked by the port specs.
Nice review! Questions I've had on my mind for a while now. I think I'm sticking with my NinjaV until further notice.
Interesting, was looking for the Gerald Undone thumbs up! ;-)
Been looking forward to this review!
I really appreciate you comparing the fan noise, since that's also my #1 complaint with the Ninja V. Oh well, maybe they'll fix it on the next Ninja model. :(
Is there a newer Atamos now?
In the new sony fx30, can you get the read in 4k120 from the full sensor if you use the ninja v+ or is it still cropped?
Hi Jordan, thank you.
Holy smokes good thing I held off on buying the ninja v this week.
Ninjia V+ is actually being discounted right now on Henry’s and the Camera Store
I read this as discontinued haha and was super confused
Hi ! What are the options for a davinci user. What can I have externaly with the combo r5+atomos? Thanks !
What about the Shogun 7? very little has been said about it since its launch. Can you do a comparison? do you know of any pending upgrades? Would you buy the Ninja V+ over the Shogun 7?
While recording how is the fan noise behaving ? asking for long interview.Thank You Guys
Does the V+ add any extra functionality to the Nikon Z6ii over the regular V? (Can it capture 4k60p?)
The same noise level is real bummer. I had hoped that with the extra processing power that it'd be quieter for at least 4k video.
I went to the Atomos website and looked at compatible cameras. The list for canon shows only 3. Is that to fully utilize all the specs of the + model? If I have an older Canon R or the R6 that doesn’t doesn’t shoot 8k, shouldn’t I still be able to get the max export available on those cameras but in ProRes?
For those that want 4K ProRes RAW, you can obtain that with the Ninja V…as far as I know, only at 29.97,….I figured this out the day after ordering the V+
I'm new to external recording as well as to DaVinci. Does this mean I won't be able to use the external ProRes RAW from the XH2S in DaVinci? I do have Premiere Pro though. Haven't decided yet on buying an external recorder.
What’s the plug-in for premier pro to make it easier when editing?
Can you do a video on how to setup a ninja V+?
DP, no matter what color space I choose on my canon r5 when I'm outputting HDMI 8k raw whether it's bt709 bt2020 or Cinemagamut, it automatically outputs clog2 Cinemagamut into my atomos v+ and camera output menu is greyed out completely on the atomos. Now this is normally not a problem if I am using premiere to edit because I can just select Cinema Gamut/C-Log2 in the effects control and my footage looks log again and I can instantly add a technical Lut to start color correction. On Lumafusion on my m1 iPad, there is no such colorspace option so I the colors are not even usable. Is their an iPad app that will allow me to convert the colorspace first? I really don't want to use my laptop. It kills my work flow and I travel a lot and definitely will slow me down. I know this is a Lumafusion problem but do you have any connections with them so they can update their colorspace options?
What SSD version of the Samsung 860, PRO or EVO?
So does it record 4K 120 prores ?
Ok, so now that prices on V= are lower, should I buy the Canon R5c or the Canon R5 with this Atomos V+? I own the R6 and it is very annoying the overheating issue, especially when I am recording interviews. Thanks!
I'll definitely buy the v+
What happens when recording ProRes Raw on a R5 or R5 C? ProRes Raw is Clog2 with cinema gammut. So it will have the same color issues because it's cinema gammut color space in prores raw? Thank you.
Did you test recording in 4K using C log 3? I'm seeing a lot of issues with color cast.
How do you deal with the fan noise when recording audio?
Can you record 4K 120p with Sony a7siii ? With this ?
Jeez that fan noise though... almost a deal breaker if you're doing some kind of narrative work. just like a noisy fan in a light.... Is the Blackmagic one better?
Can you record to the ssd and camera memory card at the same time?
Do you think it makes sense getting this combo (R5 + ninja v+) instead of the r5c? The price difference between the R5 and r5c at least in europe is quite substantial.
Had the same thoughts, ended up with r5 + atomos ninja v+. Don't think that R5C is better, is has drawbacks which you cannot compensate with a monitor. You will get monitor anyways on either cameras, so R5+Ninja combo will be better than R5C+Ninja combo. And by better I mean you will have IBIS, be it in photo or 120.
I'm using that same cable and I can't keep the Ninja V connected on 4K60. Have factory reset both camera and Ninja. No dice. Any ideas?
Any insight or guesses as to whether 4k 120fps is going to be offered with Ninja V+ - EOS R5 combo in future firmware update?
Thanks for the video. Do you know if the Ninja V+ also offers the possibility to record 4k in 120fps (high framerate mode from R5)? Many thanks
I believe it’s limited to 4k 60fps. But that’s bc canon limits it to that through hdmi.
@@wormhole331 4k 120fps is only possible via 8bit 4:2:0 on HDMI 2.0 and isn't even officially supported by the HDMI standard ...and the R5 sadly has HDMI 2.0
Guess I'll tack on the Ninja+ to the Z9 😂
Kidding. But a nice big external monitor is nice to work with.
Will the Ninja v+ be able to shoot 4k120 with the R5 in the future?
I would love it if they could add 4K 120P support for the A7SIII. I tried to ask them in hopes of a vague yes. I got more of a follow us on instagram response lol.
I’m looking into the ninja V+ as my first external monitor, but how do I go about transferring the files from the SSD to my PC? Is there a custom reader that I have to get or do I upload the footage directly from the monitor?
You will need a SSD to usb-c adapter cable, they cost like 30 USD
Damn micro HDMI. Which HDMI cable are you using between the canon and the Atomos? Looks like Kondor Blue....well purple :)
Are the Atomx SSDs capable of 8k recording? On their website it says they’re capable of up to 6K 30p. If this is true, does anyone have any input on how to achieve that 8K resolution with the Ninja V+ recorders?
just get a T5 + andicine lunchbox.
Can you touch and focus?
Interesting facts raised
Hey guys, I need your help. This is kind of a big deal to me because I am really trying to streamline my workflow for video production. So here it goes. I recently picked up the new Atomos V+ for my Canon R5. I have had the R5 for about a year and love it. I have not been using it to its full potential because cRAW is difficult to edit and requires a lot of time and processing power to transcode it to prores. I really love using LumaFusion on my M1 iPad Pro and now I am able to scrub through 8k All-i footage without proxies. So then I wanted to record 8k raw to have the best quality out of the camera. Prior to buying the Atomos I would have to transfer the CRM files to my gaming laptop with a RTX 3070 then I would have to convert each clip in Premiere Pro to Prores 422 which would take a while. I would then have to copy those back to my iPad Pro and edit them in LumaFusion. Now, I know you are going to ask me why I don’t edit on the laptop, but I am much faster and much more comfortable using my ipad to edit video. I enjoy the ergonomics so much. So I bought the Atomos V+ so I can output 8k raw to it and record 8k prores HQ right into the Atomos. I would then slide out the 1TB ssd and connect it to my iPad Pro and LumaFusion can playback the file without issue. NOW HERE IS MY PROBLEM. “COLORSPACE”. No matter what option I have tried in LumaFusion, the colorspace is way off and not usable. If I playback the footage in LumaFusion before I drop the clip into my timeline, it looks fine. As soon as I put it in the timeline, colorspace becomes an issue. The closest one that is somewhat recognizable is Wide Gamut HDR - HDR10 (PQ). All others look like static or noise. Can someone please help? I really do not know what to do. There is no better software than LumaFusion for video editing on the iPad and this is the entire reason I bought the Atomos otherwise I would have just stuck with the Canon internal 8k raw recording, but then I would have to lug a laptop around to transcode the canon files to apple prores then copy back to my ipad. Sorry for the long comment. Please help if you can, thank you.
Wow i just ordered this luke no kidding 5 minutes ago and i am a huge fan of Davinci resolve and thats my main software for color grading...should i return this? I wanted to record on ssd cards and save a bunch of money to use on other stuff and. Ot cfexpress cards. ..please tell me i can still import my footage to davinci resolve somehow..thanx
You can import ProRes and H.265 into Resolve, but not raw video, as it is only available in ProRes Raw.
Can you review a recording field monitor for people who use DaVinci Resolve (Braw)? Cheers :)
I can! With one of my favourite episodes.
czcams.com/video/DHnYLn86Mqs/video.html
will the ninja V+ be a combo with the R6? or should I just get the regular V?
How is the fan noise?
When’s the review on that purple Undone HDMI cable gonna drop anyway? 😏
Right now!
Damned good cable. Purple and says 'Undone'. What more can you ask for?
2 years later is it still not supporting resolve?
I wish the Ninja V+ worked with the Sony FS700r... The Shogun Inferno is just to large to always bring around. Would love a compatible 5in SDI recorder that works with Sony FS700r
What about Black magic Video assist 12g. I prefer it over Atomos. I own both of them.
.. how can you change ISO from a raw recording? You can't change the gain on the sensor... So it's just the same as an exposure change, right?
actually that's exactly the kind of thing RAW enables by recording well... RAW data BEFORE it is processed by the sensor and burnt in with a set ISO and WB value. In other words you're recording light information and by informing the raw software later from which camera it came it can perform what the camera would have done at the time of shooting and you can fiddle with those settings. The huge file sizes are a consequence of storing so much more data.
@@arfmf but iso is normally done before raw is saved (with photo ). It's analog gain applied in the sensor , then sampled to digital values, then written to file . I don't believe this is different with video ?
Atomos have a campaign called LEVEL UP lasting until Dec 31st where the Ninja V+ costs 999 dollars but of what I see here Sweden it seems that deal only applies in the USA!😔
thank you.
Can someone please tell me why my Canon R5 is overheating even when attached to the Ninja V? There are no memory cards in, and I wasn't even recording. I'm sitting at my desk in my cool house, watching youtube videos like this one to help me set this thing up with my camera. The Ninja V was the reason I decided to go with the R5. Everyone says that the Ninja V solves the overheating problem but my R5 is still overheating. What am I doing wrong?
Why am I just now hearing about the fan noise? Ugh. Is it really that bad?
As the Atamos here still uses the Canon R5 sensor for video, if obviously not the processing. Does that mean the R5 can record with this for an unlimited time now, instead of shutting down after a half hour or so?
Yes
Just to confirm, recording externally means overheating is no longer a problem on raw and 4k hq? Do we have some numbers on how long it can record?
cvp testing found even outdoors it was not limited.
@@NoTicket CVP?
@@spanishprisoner 20 minutes of 8k recording now?
@@LEDsellers Sorry, I was mistaken. (CVP is a Cinema rental house CZcams channel). The actual test was done by ProAV TV. czcams.com/video/q506tHUp5o4/video.html
I think "Deaf Director" made a test where he recorded 3h in 4k hq and stopped it manually, but with deactivated evf and also deactivated back display on the R5, so here he had no tutchscreen for Autofokus... When both are enabled, he was getting 53min by recording to the old Ninja V with the ability to use fully the back screen. For that the old ninja is good enough. Also you can record 5k RAW 30fps to the old one in Crop mode, while the V+ can do it in 60fps. Have no problems to record 5k 30 or 4k hq for a long time in my old ninja v, but as I only have davinci resolve, the ProRes RAW footage is useless to me :-( and I prefer RAW over 4k hq...
what happens with you use a ninja v on a older camera like a GH2? you can record in raw and/or in higher resolution?
No you won't be able to, the camera has to have the option internally to be able to do it externally.
It will only capture what the hdmi on your camera can output.
@@genesisjlopez2854 yeah, but if I did I could get more bitrate and the codec?
@@gusatvoschiavon
You will get the maximum data that your camera will allow your sensor to put out through HDMI. For instance, my Panasonic S1H allows me to go from 10 bit to 12 bit as the HDMI allows me to get all of the raw data from the sensor. However, the blackmagic pocket cinema camera even though it has 12 bit color and shoots at 6K, the HDMI itself only out puts 1080P, so buying an external recorder would be useless for it and a monitor would be all the HDMI output would be good for. So it really just depends on what your camera allows the HDMI to output.
@@gusatvoschiavon
You would get different codecs options depending on your external recorder. However, I believe the extra bit rate would be limited to what your camera allows your sensor to output through your HDMI.
but is there a real use in 8k besides cropping in?
Better selections in Color grading.
A nice upgrade over the Ninja V if you happen to have the right camera. I unfortunately have (2) wrong cameras: The Sony A7SIII and the Sony A1. It would be nice to see Atomos and Sony get act together on this and expand their compatibility to 8k and 4k 120p on the A1 and 4k 120p on the A7SIII.
What's your opinion about sony a1 ?
Wouldn’t the fan noise interfere with the audio when recording video?
Not if you have an external mic with some method of distancing the mic from the camera, e.g. with Smallrig attaching systems. Also you don't want an omnidirectional mic (the in-camera mic is usually pretty omnidirectional). You need a mic that excludes or reduces sound from the rear sides. Notice too that Jordan is not recording ambient sound. He is not speaking into the camera microphone. He is using a concealed mic. like the Rode wireless Go system so his microphone is several feet from the camera. I think he uses the receiver to record directly into the camera, but camera Preamps are not as good as those provided by dedicated recorders like those manufactured by MixPre or Zooom. For the kind of blog recording that Jordan does you can improve the sound quality by using a recorder that is completely separate from the camera. For example, Zoom now sells the Zoom II, a credit card sized device that records in 32-bit float so you don't have to mess with controls when recording. Even though you are making a separate recording with an external recorder it is remarkably easy to sync up the sound with the video from your camera in post.
@@oliverflint8173 Is there a connection on the Ninja V+ for the external mic? Going to miss using the hotshoe with the Sony mic.
@@nazukeoya Yes
@@nazukeoya Yes it does. BTW I think the hotshoe is not the best place for a microphone.
Hey anyone knows if dpreview has a discord?
Oooh, a Gerald Undone HDMI cable!
Thanks for this review but oh man, I bought one of these Ninja V+ pro monitors and 2-3 months later it stopped working. Talked to tech support and they just gave me the run around. My buddy Tim had the same exact issue so I would not recommend this monitor/recorder...
🎉🎉
Maybe the Ninja V+ will finally support Fuji Raw. :)
Doesn't R5 have 4k 120, so why couldn't you test with it, does ninja v+ not support it?
Why would you need a Sony to test 4k120 vs the R5?
Ninja v+ does not support it with the R5. It does with the Sony FX6 though.
@@faithhouse6111 supports 8k raw but not 4k120. Geeze I would rather have the 4k120. 😆
I am confused after being a professional cinematographer for over 30 years. How can you output an 8k signal from the Canon R5 HDMI externally when the camera can only do 4k max thru the HDMI. Additionally, the HDMI port does NOT support 8k transport. This is a hardware issue that can not be corrected with firmware. The ONLY mirrorless camera that has 8k HDMI transport capabilities is the Fujifilm X-H2.
You can also shoot 5K in super 35 mode with the R5 and original Ninja V now, with the correct firmware.
You have to turn the digital IS and put it in cropped mode. 5k raw.
Did your hdmi cable come “undone”...🤣
No Resolve? Crazy!!!
OMG ice on the windshield already? This is bumming me out.
We used to, in Sacramento. Have not in 20 years. It is warming.
Nice HDMI cable choice. 👍
I really like atomos products and their update politics. But propres raw monopoly for FCPX is a real pain in the ass( Windows can open it in premiere but without metadata) . If camera manufacturers will continue adding BRAW support and Apple won’t stop being greedy jerks, I’ll switch to Blackmagic video assist.
It looks like overheating is no longer a problem in 8k raw video if one chooses to shoot externally with this monitor on the R5.
Problem is, you're spending $800 more to fix a problem that should never have been a problem in the first place.
IMO Canon should have just limited the feature to external recorders to avoid the whole debate.
@@cyrfung It also overheats in full quality 4K. Poor thermal design.
@@BlueBomberTurbo I agree :)
@@djstuc I think 8k video will still happen eventually. If Canon doesn't do it I still think Sony will introduce the A1 with 8k video feature
oh boi this is expensive monitor. I will probably buy older version lol since its 688 euro vs 1698. I can buy too lol
LETS GOOOOO
Brandon? 😎
2:49 the price of ninja 5 is bigger then buying a CFast card, so this is not a advantage
I need 2 atomos..
1 Ninja V for my R6 and 1 Ninja V plus for my R5
I'm going to have to object here. You might not be able to PHYSICALLY see the difference between the RAW image formats, there is actually a difference when using professional green screen keying. You want to get the smoothest cut humanly possible, so you want 16-bit 444 baby, UHHHHHH!!!!!!
Finkle is Einhorn
Of course I'm using resolve, I'm not a hack.
The files only chug because your pc is slow. :)
I can't justify the £1000 price tag for the Ninja V+
Additional €1000 only for a newer cpu is excessive!
R5 does 4k @120…