4. Home Lawn Irrigation System - Electronics In Action
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Here, I actually have the electronics connected so you can see a full walk-through of the controller to the pump start relay and opening the valves for the zones. Working with the Rain Bird Controller unit and Orbit Pump Start Relay device. Shows how wiring works from beginning power (batter to a light representing the final pump), but also connected to actual valve unit. Wiring Sprinkler Controller, Wiring Sprinkler Timer, Wiring Irrigation Pump Start Relay, Irrigation wiring
Wowwww my friend you don’t know what you just done for me you save me a lot of headaches thank you for this video you the best
Glad it helped... have other videos covering many parts of irrigation setup, pipes, wiring, repair too. These were more of a how to help someone understand, even if they were to be hiring someone to do. However, we all know there are many "I can do this" people out there.
This is the best ilustration in youtube for this application. I have search for weeks and not found one like that explains it so good in detail...thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
Sam like me this video save me
GREAT! help. I was trying to figure out how to change my old 220v Intermatic timer, well pump relay all built into one to a new digital system. Your video explained it perfectly using the 220v plug on the house to the relay, THEN 24v to the timer. Thank you!
Glad it helped, I also had a secondary video at czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html because some were a bit confused seeing all the wires twisted and such. It too can help provide clariification to the power flows of the system.
Great Video!! Thanks for breaking it down and sharing!
Glad it helped. I feel even if you dont do it yourself, having the KNOWLEDGE of how things work help so you dont get oversold by someone doing it for you. Hope not just this, but the 12 videos in total help you out (all have context of "Home Lawn Irrigation System")
Hola D Rapp, excelente video solo algo confuso para aficionados como yo estaría de lujo hicieras un diagrama de lo explicado para entenderlo mucho mejor saludos
I have many videos for you to review. If you were to do a search for my other videos, or looking for "Home Lawn Irrigation", they should show up. One specifically that shows a diagram such as the wiring is in this video is included below. If you need additional info, can you be a little more specific of what you are looking to have some diagram for. I'll keep an eye out for additional inquiry from you.
czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html
Puedes usar el traductor de Google para mi respuesta.
Thanks man. Helped a ton
Glad it helped
Great video! Right now none of my zones are turning on. Had zone 1 on and well pump wasn’t turning on. From your demonstration it would seem I may have an issue with the relay that powers the well pump. So now I need to figure out how to test the relay.
Maybe this secondary video might help. czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html that shows a bit more connected for multiple zones. If you notice, the white wire is your COMMON which needs to be connected to every node in the system. Each individual color is a power (much like home electricity that always will have a minimum of black and white. Power in, neutral out. You can see in the drawing that the white is pig-tailed to EACH node, up to and including the final pump relay. Please let me know if this helps resolve your issue.
Thanks. I wired these today and tested it. Heard the solenoid hum and wasn’t sure if it was correct. But was just normal operation
Correct, the hum is basically the electronic activating the solenoid magnet to LIFT the plunger and allow whatever water to pass through the given zone. When powered down, the plunger releases back in to stop water flow. So, yes, that is normal, and if you heard in the video I did doing the electronics, you can probably make out the slight hum being engaged, then off when released.
Thank you buddy It helped me out a lot
Glad it helped
Thank you!
Glad it helped. Have about a dozen videos all have "Home Lawn Irrigation System" in the heading. Additional video shows drawing showing context of the wiring as well. Did not know if you saw that too. czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html
Thank you
You're welcome, and the 4b video helps clarify actual wires via diagram too. czcams.com/video/0eEDXdO1fo4/video.html
I have old copper piping ran for my wiring encase. Is it possible to run the wire through the soldered pipes. I'm thinking the issue would be the 90 degree turns. Any suggestions or should I just bury it? How deep?
Not sure what context your old copper piping is, and 90 degree turns would be an issue. I buried my wire directly along the path of the actual PVC going to the final pump relay at the lake. This way, I know its by the pipes and would be careful to dig either way... pipe or wire. Buring depth of pipes I would check any local code and recommendations for freeze lines, but I also drain and blow-out my system each year. Sorry I could not offer more specific answers for you.
@D Rapp copper 1.5" pipe is about 8-10" deep. I blow mine out in the winter too. I just don't want to dig 100', if I don't have to.
I have no context idea of your copper pipe. Is that just laying beside your supply lines to get to destination pump? Is the copper ONLY to get to a destination pump and relay unit? If so, and that size, I see no big deal about feeding the wire through it. I would be just like an electrical PVC conduit is all. 90 degree bends would be big enough it should relatively easily allow to be pushed through unless you have a bunch together, then you may need to dig at the suspected corners, cut them near the bend in order to help feed them, then just re-seal them/cover since they are not being used for water and pressurized purposes. Note, if your copper pipe is ALSO running along the lines where your manifold / zone valves are, you need to get the wires hooked up, so you will probably need to dig, open the pipe, expose to get wires hooked, then continue the rest of the way down your destination.
See my other video showing this context along my installation... czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html
@D Rapp yes, just a 1" pipe laying along side the supplyline to get to the destination. I stalled just for the wiring. I'm thinking it would be difficult to curve the wire after 20" runs at a 90 degree angle. Not really interested in digging up 100 ft of pipe 8" deep to unsolder and resolder. The previous unit didn't require wires, manual gates.
So Lines "IN" are the Feed From the Power and the Lines "OUT" are the Pump wires. Lines 1 are on the one breaker and Line 2 are on the other breaker ?
Take a look at my 4B video which shows a drawing giving better context. The two BLUE wires are the low-voltage coming from the timer controller.
I should have edited the drawing to show the blue from the low-voltage, but should be pretty obvious when you see it. czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html
can i use this setup with an outlet indexing valve? i thought i was good with sprinklers until i ran into my friends well pump setup and now trying to update his system with a wifi timer, but i’m not understanding how the zones will switch (if that makes since)
Not positive what you may be looking for about indexing valve. But other videos may help clarify that you may not have seen.
czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html Shows a diagram of my multiple zones handled by the Rain Bird unit.
You already watched how it gets hooked up "in action". The software for the Rain Bird controller is actually quite good, you can set as timer-based, or even just run these zones now for X amount of time and they just run, opening only one valve at a time. Set for 2 minutes, 13, or whatever per zone. When finished, it just closes one valve and opens the next. So, at any one time, only one valve is open and providing the watering to the lawn. HTH and sorry for delay in response.
Does it really matter if L1 in L1 out is the hot (black wire) vs the neutral wire ( white wire)
Just as long as Neutral is hooked up on the pump correctly in a 120 volt scenario.
I saw pump system today were the neutral white wire was hooked up to the line side, which is the hot side on the well pump , And I was like well that’s not correct per instructions on the Meyers pump 1 hp sticker .
I asked electrical friend of mine How is that possible to run like that? He said magic
After watching the video, you are correct in what was STATED, but not how I actually connected. The black wires were following the L1 in, L1 Out, and the White were on L2 in, L2 out respectively. As for your Meyers Pump, I have no comment, but hopefully with your electrical friend to assist, hope all is working otherwise.
Great job thank you
You are very welcome... As a software engineer, I need to see things actually working and how the pieces tie together. If there is anything else I can offer or clarify, please feel free to comment back on other videos provided too.
Great video!! It helped a lot!! Now, I discovered that my pump won’t shut off and water pressure from well is low. I have to manually turn off power from breaker. I’m using a Rachio 3 system which was running great for a year. Could this be a bad relay switch?
Very well could be, especially if it is locked in the "Keep power connected" mode.
what kind of pump would you use to move water from a rain storage tank ?
Too broad a question. No context to size of tank, if you are doing irrigation, what are your plans for volume of coverage needs? Too large and you'll blow through the water in no time. I would check with pumps for their gallons-per-minute flow, and start judging from that. How long does it take to refill your rain storage tank? Typical weather patterns / dry season impact? Cant give ANY realistic answer at this point.
Rather confusing. Having done these installations for years I can advise that this would have been better with letting us see you doing actual wiring of the three stages. Wiring the pump starter high voltage side from the breaker panel to the pump. Wiring the pump starter low voltage to the controller for the purposes of activating the relay that is the pump starter. And thirdly the wires to the zone solenoid from the controller to activate the zone (railroad light).
Actually, some others DID have comments and I came up with a follow-up diagram discussion via czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html Which shows sample wiring from the house, and how the timer control goes out to the different solenoid units. As this was my first and only installation, I did these videos as more of an informational of as much stuff as I could think of the help anyone else wanting to learn, at least become more knowledgeable, even if hiring someone else to do the job. Better to be informed than completely blind knowledge.
Wouldn’t the pump coming on before the valve and turning off after the valve closes cause it to dead head, I’m going to install a pump but I’ve needed to look at videos to understand what I need and it confused me, thank you in advance
The sequence is correct and no issue for dead heat. The time as you could see in the video is a split second. So the pump would not even be up to a full speed and pressurization by the time the valve actually is open. Similarly on shut-down. Its a split second. Nothing that would cause damage, otherwise people would be calling with all sorts of issues to the manufacturer of the master control unit that sends the signals to the relay switch. Also, I have about a dozen videos going over many things, including a repair to my valve manifold because I over-tightened it (dohhh). Anyhow, all else works well. Have you seen the other videos, wiring the valves in live setting. Final connection to the power supply at the water front, the visual aide / narration that shows the principles of how the pump start relay works, etc. Even issues of parts planning, what to have, not forget, PVC pieces, cutter, sprinkler vs rotor sprayer, etc. I tried to cover as much as I could so people could be informed, even if they do opt going to a professional company.
@@drapp5752 thanks so much I will go look at your other videos you recommend. Thank you for replying, helped allot!
What relay are you using? I assume it is a 24vac. Can you provide a link to the relay you purchased?
I am using an Orbit unit. It was about $30, but the rest of the equipment was all RainBird. I have another video my Intro at czcams.com/video/eFkOoUoLeqI/video.html which does a summary of all my other videos from digging, trenching, basic consideration of PVC material, and also covers as much as I could on manifolds, valve wiring and more. The videos are all listed with context of "... Home Lawn Irrigation System...". Even czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html which shows how the wiring works via a diagram to understand the general flow if you had any questions from the full video showing the wiring sample turning the valve on / off. Good luck in your project, or at least help you become more knowledgeable of what you are getting into.
hi again, Question again, I have black to L1 In, White to L1 out and Black to L2 out and white to L2 out, the side that goes to the pump. have the low voltage to the pump on the timer, there is power to the relay, but no power going to the side that goes to the pump. does that only receive power to the out going side when the timer sends a signal to the relay? and what can be wrong if that is not happening? the low voltage is hooked up, common, and pump to the timer. Just wondering if the power going out is live without the sensor sending from the timer, I would think not, or the pump would go on. thanks. You have been helpful.
Hello Robert, Sorry for the delay. I created a new video that I think will help clarify the wiring. Check out from my list the "4B" video which does the breakdown showing visually with a diagram and narration how it all ties together.
@@drapp5752 Hi I figured it out. thanks. I would tell you more, but I can't see the reply buttom after writing too long.
Hi friend live saver love the video ,I I'm using the same relay form orbit and the orbit timer .now let get to the point my pump is 240 volt ,timer is 120 volt ,this is what I have so far .I cut the power cord from the timer attach white wire to ground bar on maim panel and black to one of the 120 volt coming from main breaker the other 120 volt from breaker is connected to( L 2 in ) on the relay box ,L 1 out and L 2 out going to the pump .I have one black wire from the pump on the Timmer to one of the blue 24 volt on relay box .now I have red ( L 1 in ) on relay box loose and one blue 24 volt loose also on relay box should I wired nut this last two together to finish the setup ? I I'm doing this as we speak so help and corrections will be really appreciated thanks
Sorry if any confusion. I made a follow-up video 4B that may help clarify (if you have not finished already). This video shows a visual showing how the wiring goes. As for running 240, I BELIEVE it is the same context in that the wires follow the same paths respectively. Its just that both wires are supplying power and no neutral on the return, but as I stated in the video, I am not an electrician, but have done electrical work over many years. Take a review of this video may help. czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html
I am confused. you said in the video the black to line in 1 and white to line in 2, but it's black to line out 2? and white to line out 1 the way you describe it, that you stay the same. So would it not be black line out 1? and white line out 2? please verify. thanks.
Sorry for the confusion. Think of it as a two-way drawbridge. Each side of traffic is a color wire. White comes in on one side, out on the other, same with black. So if white is on L1in, the other half of the white going to the final power is L1out. Black would be L2in and L2out. The actual diagrams within the relay switch equipment shows black/white wiring respectively.
Now, for the relay portion that gets its low-voltage power from the timer control, you would also have a black and white available. Those would connect to EITHER of the relay switch wires to let the power go through on the normal electric power lines.
Does that help? Please let me know. Maybe I'll put together another sample video of the wiring. I can't do with the real timer and relay switch as they are in-place, but can re-do the simulation to show the pieces.
that's what I would know, but your video said black L 1 in, and black L 2 out. That's why I was confused...You may not remember saying that. so I will do black L1 in and L1 out. and L2 in and L2 out with the white.
You may be right as I was pointing through the wires, but at the end of the segment of the relay, I restated that the ins and outs stay to the respective. Since I dont have the actual equipment disconnected, I will see if I can make an update to the video, or re-dub the voice-over in that section.
Thanks for the video. I'm wiring one up tomorrow and I want to make sure I get this right. My input power will be: black to L1 In and the white to L2 In. The output wires to the pump would be: black to L2 Out and white to L1 Out? Thanks in advance.
So, re-check. There are two IN wires... 1 & 2. There are two OUT wires... 1 & 2. If you have black on L1in, black goes on L1out. That only leaves white for L2in and L2out.
@@drapp5752 Thanks for replying, I got confused when you said the white wires go to L1 and L2 respectively. Understand now, thanks again for the help.
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@Kaiser Jon I use Flixzone. You can find it by googling =)
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???...so you need 2 power sources? one to the relay and one to the rainbird? "the same black wire"...you mean the black wire going out...NOT the Same...the other black going out...
First, lets start with just the rain-bird controller. That, much like a home network is a simple power cord plugged in to give IT power. This controller is going to be inside your house somewhere. Second, the pump itself is going to be outside, such as in my scenario at the lake edge where I am drawing my water from. That needs its own power. Now, the wiring. I have a second video czcams.com/video/CcHFaiujry4/video.html that can better illustrate the respective power to devices for pump and rain-bird. In that you can see the main power from house, direct to the pump relay and then to the pump itself.
Then, all the low-voltage powering is coming from the rain-bird unit. The white-wire within coming from the rain-bird is your neutral wire where every other wire is an individual hot (or black wire for normal home wiring). But since low-voltage, can be these smaller gauge wires because of what they are triggering. A simple solenoid, or relay switch to be opened. Does not need full 120 power. The multi-wire cord you can see in the diagram shows how the white is contiguous through the entire set of watering zones in the system. And in my case, the last wire (black), is the one I sent to the pump relay because that was intended for the main power for the relay and no other reason. Any of the individual color small wires would have worked.
Take a look and let me know if that helped add clarification.
@@drapp5752 ....thanx!!! been working on this for 8 months. ruined 2 orbit controllers...lol...now using the rainbird arc8. instructions for DO NOT tell you that a relay is needed. even rainbird customer service did not tell me...just said call a contractor. plus...major drought here in s florida...so i hot wired my pump to the main box...lol...
@@drapp5752 ...thanx!!!! drought here in s florida to boot...lol
What are the fittings called on each end of the seloniod thanks
The solenoid just has two wires at the top. One for low-voltage power, other for neutral. It opens a switch internally that lifts a gate type valve that lets the water flow through. If you are referring to the pipe fittings on the end as threaded or slip, that is just standard plumbing fittings of the respective sizes. If this does not answer your question, can you pleas rephrase for clarification. Water flows in one side and hits the middle "dam", then once power lifts the dam, the water continues its flow out to the irrigation destination sprinkler heads.
Haha I meant the pipe fittings and I understand now thanks