Having grown up in the’60’s and ‘70’s I really appreciate that the cars in your collection are so factory correct. You have a good eye for original, low mileage and un-molested cars. Thanks for your content!
Don't forget that the car body from the firewall back was built by Fisher Body so it wasn't up to Olds to design corrosion protection liners back there. Olds was responsible for the fenders, hood, and front clip and everything up there in the pre-unibody days.
Bought a new 1973 Cutlass Supreme Colonade coupe, silver blue with full white vinyl top and white bucket seats. Great looking and driving car. A litte under powered with the low compression 350 Quadrajet, but the speed limit had just been dropped to 55mph and it ran comparable to other new cars of the times. Spring loaded grille was cool!
I thought that you were going to bring up Oldsmobile's clever engine "valve rotaters." Color me gobsmacked when you mentioned plastic fender liners. 😂 JJS
My first car was a 73 Olds Cutlass 2 door, silver with the black vinyl top. Mine developed the rust through on the driver's side behind the rear wheel. I got it in 1986 and sold it when it had 130000+ miles on it. I loved that car.
Yes, that was a sweet ride and an even better story. I love how the original owners daughter chewed on the seat edge as a little girl because she was bored going for a Sunday drive.
Our neighbors across the street in Dayton Ohio had a '73 or '74 very similar to this, but theirs was a light metallic blue. Within a few years, it had those little plastic pieces which fit over the dog-legs between the rear doors and the the rear wheel openings, and were painted body color. Our '75 two door never had any rust - or really any issues ever. The rub molding fell off of the passenger side fender after four years, and that was it. We got a new one at the dealer and twelve year old me stuck it on.
Moms 72 Cutlass S had them. Her car was white the inner fenders was black plastic. That was an excellent car. It would fly... Rocket 350. Air Conditioning that would freeze you out. We had it 10 years. Not one bit of trouble. I liked the front in better on the 72 models. Sad, about Pontiac and Oldsmobile. My first car 76 Pontiac Grand Le Man's. It was a beautiful car. Dashboard, was the best looking of any GM midsized at the time. However, it had the Pontiac 350. And the power was down from smog equipment.
These were EVERYWHERE when I was a young lad. I can’t tell you the last time I saw one of these recently. Nice to see this survivor and always enjoy the videos.
One of my favorite cars that I've owned was a 73 Olds Cutlass Supreme coupe. Bucket seats and console. I installed cam, headers and a built transmission. I'd get rubber when I shifted into 2nd. Had 275/60s in back and 235s up front. Was a pretty quick car.
Adam owns 587 cars and has 64 acres of property to house them. He's very wealthy and women want to marry and divorce him for his cars and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Always wanted a 1967 Turnpike Cruiser Cutlass Supreme. Had the 400 2v with a gas mileage saver ignition system & high rear end ratio. Said to get 20mpg @65mph.
Love your Cutlass as well as the ‘67 full size in your garage. ‘73 and ‘74 GM products were a little iffy, but yours is in remarkable condition. I know emission control made them comparatively powerless, yet Olds always managed to preserve that “Rocket V8” roar. I can’t resist sharing that I’ve got a ‘56 Super 88 in my garage. Olds was an innovative motor division. May it live on proudly!
We had a ‘74 Firebird and I refused to cut a hole in the fender liner to change the blower motor so I pulled the metal fender liner. Cut the shit out of my hands.
Funny you should mention that. When I bought my '79 SE TA back in 1986 I noticed a roughly 6" round hole cut in the pass side inner fender and for years had wondered why. 😸
My 75 firebird was a nightmare to swap without cutting it ......I never understood why they just didnt include an oversized panel to cover the hole they wanted you to cut in the first place.....saved 39 cents per car on screws and 10"x10" of sheet metal.....my 96 S10 truck was the same way......if its done wrong long enugh it becomes company policy I guess
The screws that attach the chrome wheel opening moldings are the first place for corrosion to start. The metal is unprotected and there are plenty of places for water and dirt to collect
LOL, I remember pushing a dead '64 F100 into the car port as a kid, had the door open to steer it. The open door went right into the wheel wall lip on my dad's Chevy Celebrity, and put a nice dent in it. I went to the parts department at the Chevy dealership, to find out that there were different sizes of that chrome trim piece depending on the trim package and how far into the model year it was made. It took me three tries to get the right part 😂
Dad had a '73 Cutlass Salon with the Rocket 350/4bbl. By the time I got it in the 80s, it was a rust bomb and the steering gear was shot. We loved that car though.
Those 1973-1977 Cutlass models in the salt belt were notorious for the rear bumper falling off from rust. Hillbillies would rig up a replacement with treated lumber. Looked awful of course.
My `87 Ford F150 pickup had those plastic inner fender liners. As for that car and its engine, my `72 Buick Skylark had a 350 2bbl. It had plenty of pickup, and plenty of passing speed on the highway. I believe it was only rated at 155 hp, but it seemed like a lot more.
From the late 40s through 1988 Olds was very innovative they set the trend at GM l believe they made some nice cars back in the day love old GM Chevy Olds were my favorite but l lke Pontiac and Buick also
I had gold 73 Cutlass with a wild west looking leather interior and a hurst 4 speed. You are right. It was a super fun car to drive. I am a life-long mopar fan, but that industrial looking AC compressor would blow out a fog of frost and to this day is the coldest AC I have experienced in a car.
Don't compare an Oldsmobile to a Ford product because there is no comparison in any way to a piece of crap product of a Ford product in my mind GM simply has gotten its shit together without a doubt in my mind
Oh by the way I would always also love to say that the Mopars are amazing as well with my life as well but people seriously don't expect serious things to happen with a Ford product because they are only over rated and under powered p.o.s 😅😮😮😢
I was furious when I needed a new blower motor on my then two year old 1977 Trans Am went out and because I was on a trip down in Indiana I took it to a dealer outside of Indianapolis only to find later they had cut a hole in the inner fender to swap it. I then found this process was right in the GM service manual for F body cars. Didn't make me happier though!
My father had a 77 Cutlass Supreme that sported the same look. He bought it off of a neighbor and we had an issue with the roof leaking over the front passenger seat for the car at the time was about 10 years old at the time.
I’m interested in the choice of selling platform. eBay seems a little sketchy, but maybe it is a better place for cars like this than Bring a Trailer? I’ve noticed that nice examples of “regular” cars from the 70s don’t do all that well there. Maybe you could do a video about your thoughts on buying and selling on the various branded sites? eBay, BaT, FB Marketplace, Hemmings, Autotrader, Craigslist, etc.
I worked in a collision repair facility for many years. I cannot imagine how many plastic fender liners we replaced over the years. The plastic got thinner and thinner over the years and now it’s just plain flimsy. My 2018 Honda CR-V has fabric rear inner fender liners and many of the imports have for years.
Interesting that they used plastic for an apron assembly which is a structural piece. Surprised the engineers were able to maintain structural rigidity using plastic instead of the typical sheet metal. The bracing was necessary but still impressive.
Nice '73 Cutlass - my favorite year and the best looking of this A body generation. The '73 is one of the best looking cars of all time. It's on my "handsome cars" list with the 1961 generation Lincolns. I wish you'd feature this car sometime before you sell it! That said, these aren't my favorite Cutlass wheel covers. I better like the conical shaped ones with smaller centers than these.
The only vehicles (not a passenger car) that have rear plastic fender liners are some of the newer pick up trucks. I see they have engineered new ones for some classic trucks now. I believe the reasons was so you couldn’t see through the gap between the frame and the bed floor out to the other side. Once again, great video, fantastic channel, unmatched wealth of knowledge & I wish I had your garage space…
@jasonhunt007 That sounds like a salesperson's attempt at a Jedi mind trick. If you have the plastic liners, you don't need to wash out your wheel wells. If it was such a benefit not to have the liners, they would omit them on all the trim levels, not just the cheap ones.
My 1978 Mustang II has plastic fender liners on the front. Now I know where this started. Of course, this car has lived its life in central Texas, so no rust. My 1963 Falcon does not have the liners as you would expect. The Falcon, due a Ford design decision shared with the early Mustangs, did have rusted out floors. Ford uses a rubber tube to guide air from the vent slots behind the hood to the interior on these cars. This tube cannot be changed without removing welds. As these go bad, water gets onto the floors from the vent system, rusting them out.
The 1966 Pontiac sales brochure offered red plastic liners for the intermediate cars, notably the GTO. Unfortunately my dad wouldn’t spring for them on his stripper ‘66 Tempest. And I’ve only seen it once, on a Goat, of course.
I remember seeing ads for the 66 GTO with red liners. Maybe they were just inserts? The GTO in the ad was gold colored. It could have been for the 67 GTO, since they looked much the same from the side. Never saw any red liners in real life.
I think the rear fender liner is a part of the welded body structure so plastic would not be usable. In the front the inner fender liner is not as important as a part of the body structure so they could get away with using plastic.
I guess that the "flow through ventilation feature" could be considered either an option, or a late appearing standard feature, depending on where you lived, and/or how long you kept the vehicle. I remember seeing one GM car that you could see into the trunk, and out the other side, because the rear quarter panels had rotted out. Note how easy it would be to replace either the blower motor, or the A/C condensor on that car.
Imagine some grandpa,“For $ 4,800 you get all this plastic crap? Sure don’t make’em like they did back in 38. Now THOSE were cars”. Think of what one would say today.
I was thinking some early GTO's might have had red front fender liners. Also, it would basically be impossible to use plastic liners in the rear since the inner and outer wheelhousings are a structural part of the body. The front liners aren't load-bearing in any way.
I grew up in the Detroit area. Now I'm in North Carolina, I remember hundreds of times when my wheel wells would be completely packed with ice and snow. I think I'd rather worry about hurricane season than snow season.
I don’t think they put the plastic inner fenders in for corrosion protection. They were originally installed to save wait. That’s why they started out on the performance model.
A friend of mine's dad worked at a body shop and he would spray rubberized undercoating in all the wheel wells of his cars so they wouldn't rust out around the edges.
@danscott3880 I’ve made a partial list, no telling which are still in his collection. 1959 Pontiac (Canada) Parisienne, blue 1965 Pontiac Bonneville, burgundy 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado, terra cotta 1966 Pontiac Catalina, turquoise 1967 Cadillac Fleetwood Eldorado, black 1968 Mercury Marquis, burgundy 1968 Meteor Montcalm, 1969 Cadillac Fleetwood Eldorado, Rampert green 1970 Lincoln Continental, black 1971 Pontiac Grandville, beige 1972 Lincoln Mark IV, Gold 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon, burgundy 1974 Mercury Marquis, brown 1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88, black 1980 Cadillac Seville, brown
@@randyfitz8310 There's also a 1970 Chevrolet Impala or Caprice, black with blue interior with 454 V8 (Canadian too, I think) Also a 1972 Chrysler Imperial 4 door, and a 1973 Chrysler New Yorker. There may be others as well.
1972 Monte Carlo in Ascot or Musanne Blue with black vinyl top and rare fender skirts. One of my favorite cars in his collection. I have three first Gen Montes - two '71's and a '70. I bought the '70 in high school for $300 back in '87. Was our daily driver for years.
We've seen photos of '66 GTO's with optional inner red fender liners. These might have been only pushed-in place against the existing steel liners, we're not sure.
Nice Olds. You can just see how well thought out all those gm products were before the onslaught of cafe, emissions, etc spread engineering time more thin and corners had to be cut.
I always thought the '73 A-body cars, at least before the mid-1970s "update", were among the few cars that looked as good with their 5 MPH bumpers as they would have without. I just looked at a '73 Century photo and it has similar looking black fender liners, so I assume they had spread throughout the mid-sized lineup. GM full sized cars still had metal liners in '73 and they served as gusset plates for the 2 pairs of cross-braces that reinforced the nose. The Vega was notorious for lacking plastic liners in its early years and when they were added, they must have been hard to see from above, with the steel fenders, including the shock towers, being so central to the structure of the car. Most of the modern cars I've seen have plastic liners that are little more than membranes, probably because there is so much steel surrounding the front wheels in a modern unibody structure. But as long as the plastic liners have a path for water to drain out, they are probably prolonging the life of all that steel.
Those plastic fender liners are a great idea for sure. I'm guessing the rears wells couldn't be plastic only because they were part of the body, needed for rigidity. That being said, those red fender liners look silly, except on that red car...
When I was a young kid I always wondered why our Ford cars and trucks didn't have inner fender liners. When I washed my parents cars and trucks I always hosed out the fenders and was amazed at how much dirt and debris washed out of the fender crevices, but they rusted anyways. lol.
Plymouth offered red plastic inner fender liners on 1967 and 1968 Barracuda coupes and fastbacks. Not on the convertibles because the rear wheel wells were modified to make room for the folded top. I have a set of them for my 68.
Hi Adam yes, I too have the plastic inner liners on my 1969 Olds' Ninety Eight, Now on on your '67 holiday, have you (and other readers of the comments section) noticed ever that your speedometer is driven off the front left wheel on many Oldsmobiles of that era ?
Those damn plastic inter fenders are why i got bared from a local junkyard. I was torching out a good floor pan, just nicked corner of that plastic fender. By the time i saw the flames it was way to late...
Having grown up in the’60’s and ‘70’s I really appreciate that the cars in your collection are so factory correct.
You have a good eye for original, low mileage and un-molested cars.
Thanks for your content!
Don't forget that the car body from the firewall back was built by Fisher Body so it wasn't up to Olds to design corrosion protection liners back there. Olds was responsible for the fenders, hood, and front clip and everything up there in the pre-unibody days.
Adam, You need to have all your Oldsmobiles in one video. 🤩🤩
First of all, cool bike! Secondly thank you for giving us an Olds weekend!
Bought a new 1973 Cutlass Supreme Colonade coupe, silver blue with full white vinyl top and white bucket seats. Great looking and driving car. A litte under powered with the low compression 350 Quadrajet, but the speed limit had just been dropped to 55mph and it ran comparable to other new cars of the times. Spring loaded grille was cool!
I liked the swivel seat
With every episode I’m transported to the 70’s as a 12 year old in an era that I loved!
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What a beautiful machine. I grew up with my father always buying 70’s Chevy’s in the ‘80’s second hand. I wish we were an Oldsmobile family instead.
That's a beautiful cutlass keep her clean
I thought that you were going to bring up Oldsmobile's clever engine "valve rotaters." Color me gobsmacked when you mentioned plastic fender liners. 😂 JJS
My first car was a 73 Olds Cutlass 2 door, silver with the black vinyl top. Mine developed the rust through on the driver's side behind the rear wheel. I got it in 1986 and sold it when it had 130000+ miles on it. I loved that car.
Thanks for this one, Adam. I didn't hear you mention it, but recently Jay Leno featured a 1966 Pontiac GTO with red fender liners.
Yes, that was a sweet ride and an even better story. I love how the original owners daughter chewed on the seat edge as a little girl because she was bored going for a Sunday drive.
Our neighbors across the street in Dayton Ohio had a '73 or '74 very similar to this, but theirs was a light metallic blue. Within a few years, it had those little plastic pieces which fit over the dog-legs between the rear doors and the the rear wheel openings, and were painted body color. Our '75 two door never had any rust - or really any issues ever. The rub molding fell off of the passenger side fender after four years, and that was it. We got a new one at the dealer and twelve year old me stuck it on.
Did you just say “this car has only 6,000 miles”??? 😯🤯
I have red plastic inner fenders on my '70 Olds 442.
I think they were an option on 442s and W30 cars through 72.
Moms 72 Cutlass S had them. Her car was white the inner fenders was black plastic. That was an excellent car. It would fly... Rocket 350. Air Conditioning that would freeze you out. We had it 10 years. Not one bit of trouble. I liked the front in better on the 72 models. Sad, about Pontiac and Oldsmobile. My first car 76 Pontiac Grand Le Man's. It was a beautiful car. Dashboard, was the best looking of any GM midsized at the time. However, it had the Pontiac 350. And the power was down from smog equipment.
My 69 W30 has red plastic inners also.
It would be really cool if Adam took a picture or video with all of his cars in the same shot.
These were EVERYWHERE when I was a young lad. I can’t tell you the last time I saw one of these recently. Nice to see this survivor and always enjoy the videos.
Oldsmobile, the first car with an automatic transmission, first mass produced car with front wheel drive, and the first car with airbags.
One of my favorite cars that I've owned was a 73 Olds Cutlass Supreme coupe. Bucket seats and console. I installed cam, headers and a built transmission. I'd get rubber when I shifted into 2nd. Had 275/60s in back and 235s up front. Was a pretty quick car.
Adam, how many classic cars do you own currently? I like how you’re preserving cars like Caprices and Galaxies, not just muscle cars.
He owns some real turds of cars 😂
Adam owns 587 cars and has 64 acres of property to house them. He's very wealthy and women want to marry and divorce him for his cars and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Always wanted a 1967 Turnpike Cruiser Cutlass Supreme. Had the 400 2v with a gas mileage saver ignition system & high rear end ratio. Said to get 20mpg @65mph.
Love your Cutlass as well as the ‘67 full size in your garage. ‘73 and ‘74 GM products were a little iffy, but yours is in remarkable condition. I know emission control made them comparatively powerless, yet Olds always managed to preserve that “Rocket V8” roar. I can’t resist sharing that I’ve got a ‘56 Super 88 in my garage. Olds was an innovative motor division. May it live on proudly!
We had a ‘74 Firebird and I refused to cut a hole in the fender liner to change the blower motor so I pulled the metal fender liner. Cut the shit out of my hands.
Funny you should mention that. When I bought my '79 SE TA back in 1986 I noticed a roughly 6" round hole cut in the pass side inner fender and for years had wondered why. 😸
Cutting the inner fender for the blower motor is in the factory service manual.
@@bobroberts2371 I know and there’s even a template for where to cut stamped into the fender liner. However if you’ve ever seen it done it’s fugly.
Good Ole GM, they didn't care about maintenance or making things accessible the 70's was just about the car making it to the end of the bank loan.
My 75 firebird was a nightmare to swap without cutting it ......I never understood why they just didnt include an oversized panel to cover the hole they wanted you to cut in the first place.....saved 39 cents per car on screws and 10"x10" of sheet metal.....my 96 S10 truck was the same way......if its done wrong long enugh it becomes company policy I guess
The screws that attach the chrome wheel opening moldings are the first place for corrosion to start. The metal is unprotected and there are plenty of places for water and dirt to collect
LOL, I remember pushing a dead '64 F100 into the car port as a kid, had the door open to steer it. The open door went right into the wheel wall lip on my dad's Chevy Celebrity, and put a nice dent in it. I went to the parts department at the Chevy dealership, to find out that there were different sizes of that chrome trim piece depending on the trim package and how far into the model year it was made. It took me three tries to get the right part 😂
Dad had a '73 Cutlass Salon with the Rocket 350/4bbl. By the time I got it in the 80s, it was a rust bomb and the steering gear was shot. We loved that car though.
Those 1973-1977 Cutlass models in the salt belt were notorious for the rear bumper falling off from rust. Hillbillies would rig up a replacement with treated lumber. Looked awful of course.
I've never seen snow in my life... and I can go the rest of my life without seeing it.
That's the best thing I've seen today. Top of the line 🤩🤩🤩
My `87 Ford F150 pickup had those plastic inner fender liners. As for that car and its engine, my `72 Buick Skylark had a 350 2bbl. It had plenty of pickup, and plenty of passing speed on the highway. I believe it was only rated at 155 hp, but it seemed like a lot more.
I like seeing the VIR A/C system under that hood.
I have rebuilt many VIR HVAC systems. Started turning wrenches at GM dealerships in 1973. Those compressors were Heavy.
Meat locker on wheels. 😊
That Cutlass looks awesome. I wish I had the funds for it!
The best thing for anticorrison was the switch to 2 sided galvanized steel in the mid 80s.
From the late 40s through 1988 Olds was very innovative they set the trend at GM l believe they made some nice cars back in the day love old GM Chevy Olds were my favorite but l lke Pontiac and Buick also
I had gold 73 Cutlass with a wild west looking leather interior and a hurst 4 speed. You are right. It was a super fun car to drive.
I am a life-long mopar fan, but that industrial looking AC compressor would blow out a fog of frost and to this day is the coldest AC I have experienced in a car.
Don't compare an Oldsmobile to a Ford product because there is no comparison in any way to a piece of crap product of a Ford product in my mind GM simply has gotten its shit together without a doubt in my mind
Oh by the way I would always also love to say that the Mopars are amazing as well with my life as well but people seriously don't expect serious things to happen with a Ford product because they are only over rated and under powered p.o.s 😅😮😮😢
The 66 GTO Jay Leno had on his channel a couple weeks ago had red inner fender liners.
My 74 Monte has them. Easy to clean up and restore 😎
Big annual Olds show in Lansing last weekend
That’s a good event, haven’t been in many years. Glad to know it’s still going.🤓
I was furious when I needed a new blower motor on my then two year old 1977 Trans Am went out and because I was on a trip down in Indiana I took it to a dealer outside of Indianapolis only to find later they had cut a hole in the inner fender to swap it. I then found this process was right in the GM service manual for F body cars. Didn't make me happier though!
1968 Plymouth full line car brochures show optional red fender liners front and rear on a bronze cuda, and its talked about on the same page
My father had a 77 Cutlass Supreme that sported the same look. He bought it off of a neighbor and we had an issue with the roof leaking over the front passenger seat for the car at the time was about 10 years old at the time.
I’m interested in the choice of selling platform. eBay seems a little sketchy, but maybe it is a better place for cars like this than Bring a Trailer? I’ve noticed that nice examples of “regular” cars from the 70s don’t do all that well there. Maybe you could do a video about your thoughts on buying and selling on the various branded sites? eBay, BaT, FB Marketplace, Hemmings, Autotrader, Craigslist, etc.
I think you could order certain years of GTO with red wheel liners too.
I worked in a collision repair facility for many years. I cannot imagine how many plastic fender liners we replaced over the years. The plastic got thinner and thinner over the years and now it’s just plain flimsy. My 2018 Honda CR-V has fabric rear inner fender liners and many of the imports have for years.
My 2017 Impala has fabric front inner fender liners. One got torn so I had to replace it.
2006 BMW 325xi has fiber inner fender liners.
Most vehicles have fabric fender liners now. They’re also a noise improvement.
Interesting that they used plastic for an apron assembly which is a structural piece. Surprised the engineers were able to maintain structural rigidity using plastic instead of the typical sheet metal. The bracing was necessary but still impressive.
You're really on your roll brother with your upload schedule, loving it
My older brother gave me a 73 Cutlass 4 door for my 16th birthday. It was not in terrible shape, but all the upper door panels were missing.
Nice '73 Cutlass - my favorite year and the best looking of this A body generation. The '73 is one of the best looking cars of all time. It's on my "handsome cars" list with the 1961 generation Lincolns. I wish you'd feature this car sometime before you sell it! That said, these aren't my favorite Cutlass wheel covers. I better like the conical shaped ones with smaller centers than these.
The only vehicles (not a passenger car) that have rear plastic fender liners are some of the newer pick up trucks. I see they have engineered new ones for some classic trucks now. I believe the reasons was so you couldn’t see through the gap between the frame and the bed floor out to the other side. Once again, great video, fantastic channel, unmatched wealth of knowledge & I wish I had your garage space…
If you buy a GM pickup today, you have to pay extra for plastic fender liners to prevent rot in the rear wheel wells. Kind of pathetic IMO.
Same with Ford pickups and heard the rationale was to be able to wash the frame and rear suspension of road salt and mud.
@jasonhunt007 That sounds like a salesperson's attempt at a Jedi mind trick. If you have the plastic liners, you don't need to wash out your wheel wells. If it was such a benefit not to have the liners, they would omit them on all the trim levels, not just the cheap ones.
My 1978 Mustang II has plastic fender liners on the front. Now I know where this started. Of course, this car has lived its life in central Texas, so no rust. My 1963 Falcon does not have the liners as you would expect. The Falcon, due a Ford design decision shared with the early Mustangs, did have rusted out floors. Ford uses a rubber tube to guide air from the vent slots behind the hood to the interior on these cars. This tube cannot be changed without removing welds. As these go bad, water gets onto the floors from the vent system, rusting them out.
Pontiac also offered red fender liners (front and rear) as an option on GTOs in the late ‘60s.
I would love to have that car. It's a shame that I would never be able to afford it
thanks for posting I started driving in 1972 and have owned a lot of the cars you show back then all cars were "throw-aways"
The GTO had them as well.
The 1966 Pontiac sales brochure offered red plastic liners for the intermediate cars, notably the GTO. Unfortunately my dad wouldn’t spring for them on his stripper ‘66 Tempest. And I’ve only seen it once, on a Goat, of course.
The 1966 GTO had red fender liners.
Wow that car is an amazing find. I recall seeing tons of those as a kid. I cannot remember the last time I have seen one at a car show or cruise in.
The Pontiac fiero had front and rear plastic inter fenders
...I prefer saying, less cost...or less expensive. Because "cheap" implies to me a substandard quality along with low cost
Cost effective is my saying
@@michaelstrafello7346 that helps also 👍yep
I believe the rear wheel tubs are structural
The roof and trunk suppi lands on them
My 78 Malibu classic had plastic front wheel tubs
I'm sure the rear wheel well liners were made from steel for structural reasons to tie together the quarter panels and body mounts.
That's a very nice Cutlass! My Granddad had a brown & gold '73 and like all his cars, ultra low mileage. Would like to have them all today.
Beautiful piece, Adam.
Good buy.
I remember seeing ads for the 66 GTO with red liners. Maybe they were just inserts? The GTO in the ad was gold colored. It could have been for the 67 GTO, since they looked much the same from the side. Never saw any red liners in real life.
I think the rear fender liner is a part of the welded body structure so plastic would not be usable. In the front the inner fender liner is not as important as a part of the body structure so they could get away with using plastic.
Very informative video and gorgeous car. Thanks Adam!
I think the plastic fenders were Incorporated across all the a body lines not just the Oldsmobile. It was a weight conservation effort.
GTO red liner option
I guess that the "flow through ventilation feature" could be considered either an option, or a late appearing standard feature, depending on where you lived, and/or how long you kept the vehicle.
I remember seeing one GM car that you could see into the trunk, and out the other side, because the rear quarter panels had rotted out.
Note how easy it would be to replace either the blower motor, or the A/C condensor on that car.
Adam, I really love the videos you create and sure appreciate your incredible automobile knowledge! How many cars do you own?
What a great cutlass. Let us know on here if you do decide to put it up for sale. Thanks
Imagine some grandpa,“For $ 4,800 you get all this plastic crap? Sure don’t make’em like they did back in 38. Now THOSE were cars”. Think of what one would say today.
You have my dream collection of cars 😊
I was thinking some early GTO's might have had red front fender liners. Also, it would basically be impossible to use plastic liners in the rear since the inner and outer wheelhousings are a structural part of the body. The front liners aren't load-bearing in any way.
*_LOOOVVE_* your Toronado! ☺️
I grew up in the Detroit area. Now I'm in North Carolina, I remember hundreds of times when my wheel wells would be completely packed with ice and snow.
I think I'd rather worry about hurricane season than snow season.
My 73 Buick Regal was a fantastic car!!!!!
Same with my 76 Regal.
I don’t think they put the plastic inner fenders in for corrosion protection. They were originally installed to save wait. That’s why they started out on the performance model.
My second car, a 1972 Monte Carlo, had the plastic front fender liners.
Now, I ended up getting my mother's '86 Lincoln Town Car, and it indeed had plastic there, what a shock that was...
1967 Olds Vista Cruiser Station Wagon had the black plastic inner front fender panels......
A friend of mine's dad worked at a body shop and he would spray rubberized undercoating in all the wheel wells of his cars so they wouldn't rust out around the edges.
Some Pontiac Lemans/GTO had the red fender liner option. VERY rare.
How many cars do you own Adam? I've been watching for at least 2 and half years. It seems like you have more than 20. And you have cool ass cars
All with exceptionally low miles to boot!
@danscott3880 I’ve made a partial list, no telling which are still in his collection.
1959 Pontiac (Canada) Parisienne, blue
1965 Pontiac Bonneville, burgundy
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado, terra cotta
1966 Pontiac Catalina, turquoise
1967 Cadillac Fleetwood Eldorado, black
1968 Mercury Marquis, burgundy
1968 Meteor Montcalm,
1969 Cadillac Fleetwood Eldorado, Rampert green
1970 Lincoln Continental, black
1971 Pontiac Grandville, beige
1972 Lincoln Mark IV, Gold
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon, burgundy
1974 Mercury Marquis, brown
1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88, black
1980 Cadillac Seville, brown
@@randyfitz8310 There's also a 1970 Chevrolet Impala or Caprice, black with blue interior with 454 V8 (Canadian too, I think)
Also a 1972 Chrysler Imperial 4 door, and a 1973 Chrysler New Yorker. There may be others as well.
1972 Monte Carlo in Ascot or Musanne Blue with black vinyl top and rare fender skirts.
One of my favorite cars in his collection. I have three first Gen Montes - two '71's and a '70. I bought the '70 in high school for $300 back in '87. Was our daily driver for years.
We've seen photos of '66 GTO's with optional inner red fender liners. These might have been only pushed-in place against the existing steel liners, we're not sure.
68 Barracuda had a very rare red plastic liner that fit inside the metal liner frt and rear 8:55
It's a crying shame GM discontinued so many divisions. But then, they'd probably just be clone, Korean, econo-boxes these days anyway.
Nice Olds. You can just see how well thought out all those gm products were before the onslaught of cafe, emissions, etc spread engineering time more thin and corners had to be cut.
Gotta love Olds!
I always thought the '73 A-body cars, at least before the mid-1970s "update", were among the few cars that looked as good with their 5 MPH bumpers as they would have without. I just looked at a '73 Century photo and it has similar looking black fender liners, so I assume they had spread throughout the mid-sized lineup. GM full sized cars still had metal liners in '73 and they served as gusset plates for the 2 pairs of cross-braces that reinforced the nose. The Vega was notorious for lacking plastic liners in its early years and when they were added, they must have been hard to see from above, with the steel fenders, including the shock towers, being so central to the structure of the car. Most of the modern cars I've seen have plastic liners that are little more than membranes, probably because there is so much steel surrounding the front wheels in a modern unibody structure. But as long as the plastic liners have a path for water to drain out, they are probably prolonging the life of all that steel.
My first car ('76 Monte Carlo) had these.
Less tire noise with plastic inner fenders.
Those plastic fender liners are a great idea for sure. I'm guessing the rears wells couldn't be plastic only because they were part of the body, needed for rigidity. That being said, those red fender liners look silly, except on that red car...
Add a 73 Cutlass Supreme Tudor in dark brown what a beauty that was
I never liked these 4dr. Colonades. You are turning my opinion of them around. Especially the Oldsmobile variant
The 1955 Buick Skylark had red inner fenders.
Can confirm; I knew someone in Williamsport PA with a mid-50’s Buick convertible like that.
When I was a young kid I always wondered why our Ford cars and trucks didn't have inner fender liners. When I washed my parents cars and trucks I always hosed out the fenders and was amazed at how much dirt and debris washed out of the fender crevices, but they rusted anyways. lol.
Plymouth offered red plastic inner fender liners on 1967 and 1968 Barracuda coupes and fastbacks. Not on the convertibles because the rear wheel wells were modified to make room for the folded top. I have a set of them for my 68.
Sweet. when can we look forward to a detail review of this red beauty?
If only the Vega had been this fortunate.......
Hi Adam yes, I too have the plastic inner liners on my 1969 Olds' Ninety Eight,
Now on on your '67 holiday, have you (and other readers of the comments section) noticed ever that your speedometer is driven off the front left wheel on many Oldsmobiles of that era ?
Those damn plastic inter fenders are why i got bared from a local junkyard. I was torching out a good floor pan, just nicked corner of that plastic fender. By the time i saw the flames it was way to late...