I had an M4 in Iraq in 04. Love that shotgun. If I had the money I’d buy one for my home. Did a lot of clearing and breaching with it in Ramadi. Nothing like being first in the door with a shotgun hahaha. Semper Fi
Why don't you include a summary list in the description? It's soooo helpful! Bernelli M3 Fostech Origin 12 Remington 870 FN SLP (Self Loading Police) Bernelli M4
M4 is the only way to fly. No need for any other shotguns after owning the m4 for 5 years now. Maybe an over under or single barrel 10 guage. Mossberg semi autos are crap in comparison and what pushed my purchase of the m4 is consistent trips to the gunsmith. Mossberg 500s in the army were shit to. Only good, newish. They get sloppy. I treat my m4 like rental car and never had an issue.
On the Benelli M4, it is also designed to run different types of ammo with lights, optics, lasers and other shit weighing the gun down. That's one of the big factors for its military use.
swiss Not a stupid question at all! Shotguns that are gas operated vs. inertia operated use different forces to cycle the weapon. In an inertia operated shotgun, when the weapon fires, the force of the round going off compresses an inertia spring a few millimeters. That slight compression on a very strong spring is storing/transferring enough energy to cycle the gun and compress the main recoil spring ultimately returning the gun to battery. Think of a rubber ball being hit by a baseball bat. If you watched it in high speed, the ball will deform around the bat and spring off, not just get hit and fly away. Same idea. When you add a shit load of weigh to the gun (optics, side saddles, lasers, lights), it can reduce the recoil energy transferred to the inertia spring in that split second after firing (the moment the theoretical rubber ball compresses on the baseball bat), and therefore adversely affect the shotguns ability to reliably cycle the action. So for the military, who wants/needs to strap shit onto their combat shotgun, an inertia driven auto loader would never work. The A.R.G.O system (Auto Regulating Gas Operation) in the M4 is remarkably good at taking the weight on the gun and staying reliable. Great question!
Great explanation, thank you very much! Jut one additional question: Does the opposite of limp-wristing apply to these types of shotguns? Can you pull them into your shoulder too hard and inhibit the action by doing so?
I just want to let you know how grateful I am to you guys for such a wonderful educational channel for people who don't have experience with firearms, and want to learn.
Another good video, guys! I own both an 870 and a 590A1. I give the edge to the Mossberg for the tang safety. It is also a lot more smooth to load rounds into, but that might be just my 870. Again, good information.
Winchester 1300 defender best pump gun in my opinion. Yes I have mossburg & 870's if you have never ran one try it both of mine would reliably run the mini shells also thus increasing mag capacity.
407ForRent I have 3. IMHO BEST pump. Too bad they quit making it. Rotary bolt like an AR. Aluminum receiver like an AR. Fastest cycling pump there is. I watched my dad take the three doves at dusk with this gun. Could not have done it with a Mossberg or 870. They came in low and fast and he nailed all three.
You skipped the greatest thing about pump over auto: the *sound.* That wonderful metal mechanical noise that makes the wicked tremble. "I like to keep this handy... *CHA-CHAK* ...for close encounters."
Either one will do the same job it’s just preference mostly to safety location. I tend towards the 870 but mostly due to it being my first pump but could hardly care less either way.
@ thats one of the dumber comments ive ever read lmao go into walmart an you dont see remingtons all over ? Fuk walmart must produce them to then lmfao
Enjoying this video immensely! Here's a challenge to Eric and Chad: Get real good at shooting from the hip with a .22 Ruger. When you can chase a soda can around a hillside with it then change on over to your favorite shotgun and do it all over again! It is amazing just how fast you can point-and-shoot accurately from the hip and it is so much easier on the shoulder! Enjoy, guys!
As for similar guns being made by different manufacturers, FN Herstal owns both Browning, Winchester Repeating Arms and Miroku. Beretta in turn, owns Benelli, Franchi, Uberti, Stoeger, Sako and Tikka. In the Herstal group, they have a tradition of making guns of different brands in the same factory, so I would expect the FN and Winchester semi-autos, to be made in the same factory. ISTR, that all break actions (FN, Browning and Winchester) are made by Miroku, as are the lever Winchester 1886 and 1892, as well as the Browning BLR, while the Winchester 1894 and SXP are made by FN. FN pistols (and the FN SCAR?) are largely made in the US.
Your videos are greats guys ! I own the M4 law enforcement model 7+1 and collapsible stock, it was a dream but i finally got it, easier here in France, collapsible stock is legal and the 7+1 tube is standard. I had two REM 870 before, and a Mossberg 590 Mariner before before. I think my next pump would be a 590A1 standard 8+1. I'm a fan of 12 gauge. But the M4 is the king of autoloading i think. And what a look ! Regards from France !
Yes Benelli M4 , M1014 , and H20 Models IMO are the best . The Versamax is my 2nd choice . For Pumps I'm Def a 590A1 20" fan . The 870 is an absolute classic . I only choose Mossberg because barrels are cheaper and can be found alot easier.
The M4 takes the cake in my opinion too. A lot of people in videos never mention the durability also. At certain tempteratures whether hot or cold, guns start to fail. Benelli M4 is designed to continue to work well in excess of both 180 Fahrenheit and minus 100 Fahrenheit. A human can't survive those temperatures without special clothing so basically if you're alive then it will be alive too. It passes water, mud, snow tests as well as high altitude drops. There's a reason the marines use it as their designated shotgun. It is pricey, I bought mine for $1,999 plus tax but it does more than what the cheaper guns will do. People who prefer pump action do so because the semi autos can fail and one failure can lead to you dying in a gun fight. The M4 can reliably function for at bare minimum 25,000 rounds before you have to replace major parts, meaning you are guaranteed 25,000 rounds before you gotta change any parts. It beats all other semi auto shotguns in testing every time and is not only used by The American troops but also Israeli, South Korean, United Kingdom, Mayasian special forces as well. If your special forces use it, then it's one hell of a weapon. It's the durability and reliability that sets it apart from everything else.
What i like about the Origin is that not only is it a good semi-auto shotgun, but i'm a Warhammer 40.000 fan and it looks so much like a Bolter that i can't help loving it haha
I know usually links are viruses, but this one is just to DailyMotion. Quality is kind of meh, but totally watchable. www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hut12
Is it infringement on my 2nd rights by only allowing a certain group to possess a certain configuration of gun? 'Law enforcement only' guns and ammo bothers me.
Johnny Bandit Indeed. Super cringy every time I walk into my LGS and see the "LE Only" rack that has a bunch of Gen4 Glocks and non-castrated Sigs (no LCI/mag disconnect).
Just a question..,,,,what weapons are you speaking of,,,individual officers are not allowed to purchase firearms the regular citizen can,t,,,,,,in some of the more left wing states there are capacity issues with regards to magazines,,,,,
actually, nobody in this reply chin has any fucking clue what they're talking about. 1) the LE M4 is completely legal to own, but it's also completely legal for a company to decide to limit the market for their firearms. it's legal to own and buy body armor, too, but most manufacturers limit the sale. 2) the 2nd A isn't nearly as far reaching as you cucks think it is/want it to be 3) you kids can't spell or type 4) eat shit, all of you
On the 870 plastic vs steel trigger guard/FCG assembly I’ll say this. In 14 years of running a gun-shop and working on used guns and local PD guns. The only 870’s I’ve seen that would not run at all...either had so much wear they would no longer lock up (and that was an extremely worn several decades old one) or a police magnum that road in a leaky and humid trunk of a cruiser that the disconnector ect had completely rust-welded itself to the trigger guard/frame. It sat in mineral spirits overnight...got oiled...and in the end I literally broke it free with a punch. After a lot of cleanup it was fine...but NOTHING could have made that gun work in the field. A plastic or aluminum framed one would have been fine. (servicing it more than once s year and after realizing the trunk in that unit leaked would have been nice too-lol But even 870s and Glocks are not “cop-proof” I actually quit championing the police magnum version after that.
Yup, i probably would've picked up the iconic 870 if someone hadn't saved me some grief and informed me of the quality control having gone downhill post FG. Picked up a 590A1 and love it so far.
I was able to pick up my 1301 tactical 18.5" on sale for $550 shipped, best deal I ever got on any of my guns. While I'd say it's definitely worth the price at regular market value, I personally wouldn't have bought one without that smoking deal I got.
I had a Remington 870 twelve gauge as my first shotgun, but I traded it and some cash for a Mossberg 590. I don't like crossbolt safeties, and I wanted a ghost ring rear sight. But they're both excellent guns.
I used to have a Beretta 1201FP, it worked great while it wouldn't cycle the cheapest loads at Walmart if I spent and extra buck or so a box and got birdshot over a certain FPS it ran perfect. Mine had the PG Choate stock, ghost rings, and the side saddle shell holder. It was a fun gun but there was never much aftermarket accessories for them so I ended up selling it. I plan on picking up a 1301 tactical one of these days.
HEAT! I recently bought the re-released blu-ray with the cleaner video and audio transfer (third time I've bought the film) and I want to build another AR now into a carry-handle M4 clone like they used in the bank shootout.
The re-release just came out within the past few months. It doesn't have too many goodies, I think maybe an additional commentary and it has a few hours of interviews with the cast and one with Christopher Nolan. Probably interesting, but I haven't gotten into that part yet. The new transfer is very crisp! Although, I didn't mind the extra grain on the previous transfer as it gave it a film quality to it. Just a great movie! www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XS9TPYR/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Doulos bought the blu ray myself. Also own the regular dvd. Blu Ray has extra features. “We been face to face yeah..but I will not hesitate, not for a second”. Epic!!!!
Hello ladies and gentlemen. I recently just purchased my 2nd gun. Its a Gforce 12ga bullpup. I have always wanted a bullpup. I cant wait to shoot it. I get alot of my gun info from this channel. Maybe ill post a video when i get to shoot it.
It's nice to see 2 guys that actually bring out the best in each other rather than bickering. Even if you guys disagree you bring your cards to the table and agree on what you like or don't. Well done guys. 👍👍👍
ThaRealSmurf the 590 is ours, while I personally like mossberg better, I would use a 870 if I was issued it (kind of a duh, isn't. It) especially if it was was the one on the table!
I'm not a member of the NRA. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a veteran. However, I do enjoy shooting guns. I don't hunt. But I find it to be an enjoyable recreational activity. I feel EXTREMELY blessed to live in a country where our "right to bear arms" is one of our original American constitutional rights & is (still) protected. I don't want to get into a political discussion. But, I love your channel. You're both highly informed and clearly educated of your weapons & use thereof.
Hard to beat a shotgun that can slamfire for combat. It would be really easy to bust your fingers slamfiring a 1897. Win Model 12s and Ithaca 37s are probably the best shotguns to slamfire.
John Hull ive never had that happen with the 1897 myself and its a shame how hard it is to find a good one since they seem to run faster than a model 12 at least for me
I paid $335 for my Tristar M3 copy. If you don't keep it clean it won't like you too much, but I get what I need out of it. Nice to see the *affordable* auto loaders mentioned.
No ksg mention? That's what I use and I love it and think it's one of the best military tactical shotguns ever . Compact light weight high capacity and tons of accessories
Pawnshop I used to help out at in NC had a model 1897 come in one week while I was on vacation. They sold it for less than $400, and yes, it was an original. Noone put the effort into doing any research into what it was, to them it was just an "old shotgun". A policeman bought it, he was a class 3 collector and knew what it was. They about died when I showed them what it had been worth.
My three primary firearms are based on what I carried in combat. An AR,92F and an 870. I have several other guns but these three I just had a crazy amount of experience with them. I'd have one more but I can't come up with the scratch for an M-60. I really miss my pig. #11bravopapa
Nowdays you have to sell your car to buy a legal full auto rifle. I guess for a belt fed you have to sell your house. I wish I can afford at least a m249 saw, it should be fun to mow down feral pigs (hogs) with it lol.
Hard to part with something that you carry in the field if you can have it after service. They are familiar and if they have proven themselves in the field they likely will see you through civilian life. My service in the U.S. Army as an 11C ended 30 years ago but I still have an affinity for the 1911, M16A1&A2 with M203, M60 and the SAW. I still would prefer the Stoner over the M60 and SAW though. Peace
For what it's worth I'm a 870 fan to begin with but I saw a police 870 that was so neglected it was rusty as hell like BAD and the wood stocks was actually covered in moss because it sat in a wet environment for years. Put some CLP on it ran perfectly without a hiccup.
I got a Benelli Nova Tactical. That thing made me a believer. Fast, RELIABLE AS ALL HELL, comfortable, locks right into my shoulder with my eye right in line with the barrel so even if I don't have time to acquire my sights, I can shoot it instinctive like I do my recurve and reliably hit 4 inch groups up to 25 yards. Benelli makes Amazing Shotguns.
when i was younger i was all about the vertical, pistol-style grip but now im all about the sporter grip. makes it a real "boom stick" and you can more easily use less than lethal close range force by throwing up that buttstock into someone's face
I have a FN SLP and it has been nothing but trouble since I got it. I would steer clear of it unless you enjoy feeding issues and parts constantly breaking.
Just a little advice. With the shooting that just happened, the first day or two would have been the perfect time to put out a video saying that this was the perfect example of people having guns saving lives. Just thought I should throw that out there.
do you own a typhoon and if so where did u get yours im trying to track down the drum magazine its proving to be difficult as i cant see to figure out how to call the headquarters in the uk
TopEnd Semi-auto shotgun: Baikal MP 153 with TacStar 870 magazine tube extension! they actually have some advantages over much more expensive shotguns like the Benelli. Primarily, their ability to cycle. The gas piston system is heavy-duty and wraps around the magazine tube underneath the forearm, and it’s self-regulating for light and heavy loads. They really mean it. The gun has no problem going from 2-3/4″ shot to 3.5″ slugs and back.
Great choices used them all on the battlefield and nothing 40yards or less never got in my zone for close combat great variety my weopon everywhere else was m60/m230
Had a S&W SD40, looked like and field stripped like a glock. Didn't cycle like one, had about 4 ftf in 200 rds. Give it a bump with the heal of your hand and it would seat.
I have an old school Benelli M1 Tactical. Has the extended tube mag, rifle sights, pistol grip, picatinny rail over receiver. This thing is stupid fast, and I would hate to be the idget on the other end. I know some folks love the newer M3 - M4, but I spent big money on this one back in the day, and it works, so why retire it?
how can you not include the saiga 12 ? if i had to choose between one of those pump shot guns and a saiga 12 for combat, i would take the saiga 12 with a 20 round drum all day long.
Practicing room to room with 20rd sucks. You have to reach around the drum, making your lead elbow stick way out. I prefer 10rd sticks. Easier to carry. You can distribute the weight of several mags on your body in different places and you can keep your elbows tucked in going through doorways. If I were posted up in position for defense or an ambush, drums would be far superior. S12 all the way!
Saigas very in quality by quite a bit, some are fine others need a lot of work. on top of that they loose some practicality because of the magazines. the 10rd mags (might as well be 9) are like boat ores. getting in and out of vehicles can be cumbersome. also leaving the mags loaded can deform the shells. in the end saigas are fun ranges toys but are not very practical.
It is far more space-efficient to carry individual shells for a tube-loaded shotgun, than it is to bother with bulky and unreliable box magazines. I'd rather use a tube-fed pump than a magazine-fed semiauto. You can't do a slug-select drill with a magazine-fed shotgun either.
The JTS is an impressive semi-auto shotty SAIGA/Vepr12 copy that has a box input for those who had loading/reloading issues with the SAIGA. Try her out.
The Fostech Origin IS a movie gun and I fell in love with it when they had it in the movie Showtime with Robert De Niro and Eddie Murphy. Too bad its friggin close to 3 grand. So i bought a Black Aces SA bullpup shotgun for 350 bucks and it works perfectly for what I need it for. Maybe if I had enough cash Ill buy an Origin one day..
I had an M4 in Iraq in 04. Love that shotgun. If I had the money I’d buy one for my home. Did a lot of clearing and breaching with it in Ramadi. Nothing like being first in the door with a shotgun hahaha. Semper Fi
Wickedness. USMC?
MasterVideoStudios yep. Marine all the way. I carried it an my M16.
Semper Fi brother!
MasterVideoStudios Semper Fi!!
MARINE GRUNT thank you for your service
Why don't you include a summary list in the description? It's soooo helpful!
Bernelli M3
Fostech Origin 12
Remington 870
FN SLP (Self Loading Police)
Bernelli M4
TheShreester exactly what I was looking for. Thank you
Bro "Heat" is one of the best movies ever made. Probably my favorite
That wall of guns reminds me of Burt's basement from Tremors. Eric is well equipped to kill giant subterranean worms.
Nonsensical graboids
Run?!?! Running's not a plan, running's what you do when the plan fails!
Krezmick LMAOO love that movie
He should’ve gone for the Origin.
You do know he's a gun dealer, right?
Mk-19 grenade launcher with 40mm shotgun shells...
Perfect for home defense.
Apollo1641 yea I agree 💣💣💣
Perfect for me. I live in a crappy neighborhood.
Oof
David Menard hit someone 20 yards away and you’ll be glad it didn’t explode, the guy you hit would be indifferent lol
What about those hive 22lr rounds?
agreed; if you have the money the M4 just can't be beat.
Mrgunsngear Channel i bought my m4 a few years ago for 1800. love it
Mrgunsngear Channel I have the M4,nice gun,but if I was not living in California I would get AA-12
yea the aa12 has vitally no recoesl at all and it fires very smoothly
M4 is the only way to fly. No need for any other shotguns after owning the m4 for 5 years now. Maybe an over under or single barrel 10 guage. Mossberg semi autos are crap in comparison and what pushed my purchase of the m4 is consistent trips to the gunsmith. Mossberg 500s in the army were shit to. Only good, newish. They get sloppy. I treat my m4 like rental car and never had an issue.
"I treat my m4 like rental car" It is what the gun deserves haha
On the Benelli M4, it is also designed to run different types of ammo with lights, optics, lasers and other shit weighing the gun down. That's one of the big factors for its military use.
Maybe a stupid question, but how exactly is additional weight on the barrel and/or receiver supposed to inhibit the cycling of the action?
swiss Not a stupid question at all!
Shotguns that are gas operated vs. inertia operated use different forces to cycle the weapon.
In an inertia operated shotgun, when the weapon fires, the force of the round going off compresses an inertia spring a few millimeters. That slight compression on a very strong spring is storing/transferring enough energy to cycle the gun and compress the main recoil spring ultimately returning the gun to battery. Think of a rubber ball being hit by a baseball bat. If you watched it in high speed, the ball will deform around the bat and spring off, not just get hit and fly away. Same idea.
When you add a shit load of weigh to the gun (optics, side saddles, lasers, lights), it can reduce the recoil energy transferred to the inertia spring in that split second after firing (the moment the theoretical rubber ball compresses on the baseball bat), and therefore adversely affect the shotguns ability to reliably cycle the action.
So for the military, who wants/needs to strap shit onto their combat shotgun, an inertia driven auto loader would never work. The A.R.G.O system (Auto Regulating Gas Operation) in the M4 is remarkably good at taking the weight on the gun and staying reliable.
Great question!
swiss Sorry. Only had access to my son's tablet, so I had to answer under his account. Hopefully that answer helped!
Great explanation, thank you very much!
Jut one additional question: Does the opposite of limp-wristing apply to these types of shotguns? Can you pull them into your shoulder too hard and inhibit the action by doing so?
gabriel brack Glad I could help!
I just want to let you know how grateful I am to you guys for such a wonderful educational channel for people who don't have experience with firearms, and want to learn.
A TFBTV AND IV8888 5 gun video. In the same day! it's been a good day so far...
the tdb video made me salty
Adam Mendoza Why? Is a judge your favorite pistol?
CZ 75?
Thirteen Spades Yeah that one hit me too
Usp45 is my go to
M1897 raised so much hell, the germans complained about it. lmao
jdslipknot they sure did.
The German army, complains about a shotgun, uses poison gas.
that is why guns need to be banned.
matthew williams yeah true it always works so well too I can’t think of a single time where gun bans failed
Papa John thank you, these guys are crazy right?
Another good video, guys! I own both an 870 and a 590A1. I give the edge to the Mossberg for the tang safety. It is also a lot more smooth to load rounds into, but that might be just my 870. Again, good information.
Winchester 1300 defender best pump gun in my opinion. Yes I have mossburg & 870's if you have never ran one try it both of mine would reliably run the mini shells also thus increasing mag capacity.
407ForRent I have 3. IMHO BEST pump. Too bad they quit making it. Rotary bolt like an AR. Aluminum receiver like an AR. Fastest cycling pump there is. I watched my dad take the three doves at dusk with this gun. Could not have done it with a Mossberg or 870. They came in low and fast and he nailed all three.
You skipped the greatest thing about pump over auto: the *sound.* That wonderful metal mechanical noise that makes the wicked tremble.
"I like to keep this handy... *CHA-CHAK* ...for close encounters."
John Evans mostly....😁
It doesnt
Ok gaz
Yep let’s everyone where you are
The only sound an intruder/assailant should hear is the head of the guy next to him get ripped apart like a watermelon getting hit with a cannonball
My wife loves her Miculek 930.
I went more old-school. I love my Remington pump.
I have an 1897. and could of bought a second one at a gun show for 250 bucks. kicking myself in the ass ever since.
Anybody else prefer the Mossberg over the remington?
I prefer Ksg
@ i know right i prefer spas12 or AA12 And KSG
Either one will do the same job it’s just preference mostly to safety location. I tend towards the 870 but mostly due to it being my first pump but could hardly care less either way.
@ thats one of the dumber comments ive ever read lmao go into walmart an you dont see remingtons all over ? Fuk walmart must produce them to then lmfao
@ anthor one of the dumbest things i have ever read in my life lol
I own an 870 with a side saddle and a 7 shot tube however the shotgun that sits by my bed is still an old 20" Ithaca 37.
Enjoying this video immensely! Here's a challenge to Eric and Chad: Get real good at shooting from the hip with a .22 Ruger. When you can chase a soda can around a hillside with it then change on over to your favorite shotgun and do it all over again! It is amazing just how fast you can point-and-shoot accurately from the hip and it is so much easier on the shoulder! Enjoy, guys!
As for similar guns being made by different manufacturers, FN Herstal owns both Browning, Winchester Repeating Arms and Miroku. Beretta in turn, owns Benelli, Franchi, Uberti, Stoeger, Sako and Tikka. In the Herstal group, they have a tradition of making guns of different brands in the same factory, so I would expect the FN and Winchester semi-autos, to be made in the same factory. ISTR, that all break actions (FN, Browning and Winchester) are made by Miroku, as are the lever Winchester 1886 and 1892, as well as the Browning BLR, while the Winchester 1894 and SXP are made by FN. FN pistols (and the FN SCAR?) are largely made in the US.
Your videos are greats guys ! I own the M4 law enforcement model 7+1 and collapsible stock, it was a dream but i finally got it, easier here in France, collapsible stock is legal and the 7+1 tube is standard.
I had two REM 870 before, and a Mossberg 590 Mariner before before. I think my next pump would be a 590A1 standard 8+1. I'm a fan of 12 gauge. But the M4 is the king of autoloading i think. And what a look ! Regards from France !
Yes Benelli M4 , M1014 , and H20 Models IMO are the best . The Versamax is my 2nd choice .
For Pumps I'm Def a 590A1 20" fan . The 870 is an absolute classic . I only choose Mossberg because barrels are cheaper and can be found alot easier.
The M4 takes the cake in my opinion too. A lot of people in videos never mention the durability also. At certain tempteratures whether hot or cold, guns start to fail. Benelli M4 is designed to continue to work well in excess of both 180 Fahrenheit and minus 100 Fahrenheit. A human can't survive those temperatures without special clothing so basically if you're alive then it will be alive too. It passes water, mud, snow tests as well as high altitude drops. There's a reason the marines use it as their designated shotgun. It is pricey, I bought mine for $1,999 plus tax but it does more than what the cheaper guns will do. People who prefer pump action do so because the semi autos can fail and one failure can lead to you dying in a gun fight. The M4 can reliably function for at bare minimum 25,000 rounds before you have to replace major parts, meaning you are guaranteed 25,000 rounds before you gotta change any parts. It beats all other semi auto shotguns in testing every time and is not only used by The American troops but also Israeli, South Korean, United Kingdom, Mayasian special forces as well. If your special forces use it, then it's one hell of a weapon. It's the durability and reliability that sets it apart from everything else.
Aaron Monroe what about the mossberg 590 A1?
Love my Mossberg 930 JM Pro, great semi auto shotgun for around $600, I got mine barely used for under $600
Got a Yildiz .28 over and under for Christmas can’t stop watching guns go boom.
00:16 LMAO guy is getting sprayed by spent shells in the face
Christian Pastrano 😂😂😂
HAHAHA
What i like about the Origin is that not only is it a good semi-auto shotgun, but i'm a Warhammer 40.000 fan and it looks so much like a Bolter that i can't help loving it haha
It's still never the same without Barry :(
Explosive rounds got Barry
I was thinking of ARCHER the show, Barry the cyborg got took out by explosive rounds
I still use a old Browning A5 with tube extension to hold 8+1 as my gou to shotgun. Old school.
Chad, just because you mentioned heat in your top 5 from your personal collection, I searched through my channel guide to find heat and watch it
I know usually links are viruses, but this one is just to DailyMotion. Quality is kind of meh, but totally watchable.
www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hut12
Mossberg 930 is my personal favorite
Is it infringement on my 2nd rights by only allowing a certain group to possess a certain configuration of gun? 'Law enforcement only' guns and ammo bothers me.
Considering that the police are not military and are in fact civilians like the rest of us, it is problematic.
festerallday In CA its 10x worse!
Johnny Bandit Indeed. Super cringy every time I walk into my LGS and see the "LE Only" rack that has a bunch of Gen4 Glocks and non-castrated Sigs (no LCI/mag disconnect).
Just a question..,,,,what weapons are you speaking of,,,individual officers are not allowed to purchase firearms the regular citizen can,t,,,,,,in some of the more left wing states there are capacity issues with regards to magazines,,,,,
actually, nobody in this reply chin has any fucking clue what they're talking about.
1) the LE M4 is completely legal to own, but it's also completely legal for a company to decide to limit the market for their firearms. it's legal to own and buy body armor, too, but most manufacturers limit the sale.
2) the 2nd A isn't nearly as far reaching as you cucks think it is/want it to be
3) you kids can't spell or type
4) eat shit, all of you
On the 870 plastic vs steel trigger guard/FCG assembly I’ll say this. In 14 years of running a gun-shop and working on used guns and local PD guns. The only 870’s I’ve seen that would not run at all...either had so much wear they would no longer lock up (and that was an extremely worn several decades old one) or a police magnum that road in a leaky and humid trunk of a cruiser that the disconnector ect had completely rust-welded itself to the trigger guard/frame. It sat in mineral spirits overnight...got oiled...and in the end I literally broke it free with a punch. After a lot of cleanup it was fine...but NOTHING could have made that gun work in the field. A plastic or aluminum framed one would have been fine. (servicing it more than once s year and after realizing the trunk in that unit leaked would have been nice too-lol But even 870s and Glocks are not “cop-proof” I actually quit championing the police magnum version after that.
Good comment
Combat shotgun review finally.God bless👍
Kimberly Sanchez of
Heat is a straight up classic, you boys know your guns and your movies!
Pre freedom group Remington 870*
^^The only 870s I would ever own.
Yup, i probably would've picked up the iconic 870 if someone hadn't saved me some grief and informed me of the quality control having gone downhill post FG. Picked up a 590A1 and love it so far.
870 wingmaster
I inherited an old 12g blued wingmaster. It’s set up for bird hunting, with a long 24” (I think) barrel and beautiful wooden furniture. I love it.
My grandfather has a 1897 he's owned for like 40+ years that is absolutely mint. It's beautiful.
mossberg maverick 12 gauge. 210 bucks in CALIFORNIA. if price doesn't matter, I want the m1014
I was able to pick up my 1301 tactical 18.5" on sale for $550 shipped, best deal I ever got on any of my guns. While I'd say it's definitely worth the price at regular market value, I personally wouldn't have bought one without that smoking deal I got.
I had a Remington 870 twelve gauge as my first shotgun, but I traded it and some cash for a Mossberg 590. I don't like crossbolt safeties, and I wanted a ghost ring rear sight. But they're both excellent guns.
I used to have a Beretta 1201FP, it worked great while it wouldn't cycle the cheapest loads at Walmart if I spent and extra buck or so a box and got birdshot over a certain FPS it ran perfect. Mine had the PG Choate stock, ghost rings, and the side saddle shell holder. It was a fun gun but there was never much aftermarket accessories for them so I ended up selling it. I plan on picking up a 1301 tactical one of these days.
HEAT! I recently bought the re-released blu-ray with the cleaner video and audio transfer (third time I've bought the film) and I want to build another AR now into a carry-handle M4 clone like they used in the bank shootout.
The re-release just came out within the past few months. It doesn't have too many goodies, I think maybe an additional commentary and it has a few hours of interviews with the cast and one with Christopher Nolan. Probably interesting, but I haven't gotten into that part yet. The new transfer is very crisp! Although, I didn't mind the extra grain on the previous transfer as it gave it a film quality to it. Just a great movie!
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Haha, no, I'll look into it.
Colt 733. :)
Best film ever, period!!!!
Doulos bought the blu ray myself. Also own the regular dvd. Blu Ray has extra features. “We been face to face yeah..but I will not hesitate, not for a second”. Epic!!!!
Hello ladies and gentlemen. I recently just purchased my 2nd gun. Its a Gforce 12ga bullpup. I have always wanted a bullpup. I cant wait to shoot it. I get alot of my gun info from this channel. Maybe ill post a video when i get to shoot it.
i still think the vepr12 is the best competition shotgun.
Compared to the M4?
I have a mossberg 590, bought in 1992. I use it for hunting and security. Still going with no problem
Holy shit, I love that origin shotgun!
It's nice to see 2 guys that actually bring out the best in each other rather than bickering. Even if you guys disagree you bring your cards to the table and agree on what you like or don't. Well done guys. 👍👍👍
Heat is one of the best movies to watch in surround sound - the gun fight is awesome
I bought an 870 12g 40 years ago.Still bird hunt with to this day.What a great gun.
0:17 - 0:25
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The bit about short stocks and body armor earned a sub. You sir are a gentleman.
870 is what we use in the AUS Navy, though it's mostly just used to look scary
ThaRealSmurf the 590 is ours, while I personally like mossberg better, I would use a 870 if I was issued it (kind of a duh, isn't. It) especially if it was was the one on the table!
I'm not a member of the NRA. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a veteran. However, I do enjoy shooting guns. I don't hunt. But I find it to be an enjoyable recreational activity. I feel EXTREMELY blessed to live in a country where our "right to bear arms" is one of our original American constitutional rights & is (still) protected.
I don't want to get into a political discussion. But, I love your channel. You're both highly informed and clearly educated of your weapons & use thereof.
Ithaca 37 ds
Hard to beat a shotgun that can slamfire for combat. It would be really easy to bust your fingers slamfiring a 1897. Win Model 12s and Ithaca 37s are probably the best shotguns to slamfire.
John Hull ive never had that happen with the 1897 myself and its a shame how hard it is to find a good one since they seem to run faster than a model 12 at least for me
I have a 1300 Defender that's sweet........
I agree with you I'll killed so many deer with the Ithaca m 37
I paid $335 for my Tristar M3 copy. If you don't keep it clean it won't like you too much, but I get what I need out of it. Nice to see the *affordable* auto loaders mentioned.
No ksg mention? That's what I use and I love it and think it's one of the best military tactical shotguns ever . Compact light weight high capacity and tons of accessories
What military uses ksg?
Pawnshop I used to help out at in NC had a model 1897 come in one week while I was on vacation. They sold it for less than $400, and yes, it was an original. Noone put the effort into doing any research into what it was, to them it was just an "old shotgun". A policeman bought it, he was a class 3 collector and knew what it was. They about died when I showed them what it had been worth.
Shotguns were first used by the US Military in the Philippines during the Spanish/American War.
...but only the krag civilised
I carried a trench shotgun as an MP in the Corps, back in 97-01. Loved it
My three primary firearms are based on what I carried in combat. An AR,92F and an 870.
I have several other guns but these three I just had a crazy amount of experience with them.
I'd have one more but I can't come up with the scratch for an M-60.
I really miss my pig.
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HEAVYWALL 70 you carried a petroleum supply specialist into combat? Must have been heavy and convient...
Nowdays you have to sell your car to buy a legal full auto rifle. I guess for a belt fed you have to sell your house. I wish I can afford at least a m249 saw, it should be fun to mow down feral pigs (hogs) with it lol.
Fuckk Face Well he has 31 likes compared to your zero. So if anyone is saying something that no one cares about, it's you sir.
HEAVYWALL 70 o
Hard to part with something that you carry in the field if you can have it after service. They are familiar and if they have proven themselves in the field they likely will see you through civilian life. My service in the U.S. Army as an 11C ended 30 years ago but I still have an affinity for the 1911, M16A1&A2 with M203, M60 and the SAW. I still would prefer the Stoner over the M60 and SAW though. Peace
the Remington 870 was used in Korea and I used one when I was in the USMC in the 80's
"Top 5 Combat Shotguns"
>Looks at table.
1... 2... 3... 4... 5... 6
Wait a minute, this has Common Core 5, not normal 5.
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I just picked up a used Winchester 1300 defender in good condition with wood furniture for 350 bucks. I love it.
Always enjoy your vids. Informative and entertaining... Personally, I use an old Win 1300 defender that I just can't part with...
For what it's worth I'm a 870 fan to begin with but I saw a police 870 that was so neglected it was rusty as hell like BAD and the wood stocks was actually covered in moss because it sat in a wet environment for years. Put some CLP on it ran perfectly without a hiccup.
If Chad converts a 100 y/o classic Winchester shotgun into a Bubba Trench Gun ....
I got a Benelli Nova Tactical. That thing made me a believer. Fast, RELIABLE AS ALL HELL, comfortable, locks right into my shoulder with my eye right in line with the barrel so even if I don't have time to acquire my sights, I can shoot it instinctive like I do my recurve and reliably hit 4 inch groups up to 25 yards.
Benelli makes Amazing Shotguns.
I like the Mossburg 590 military with the bayonet lug, 8 shot tube
when i was younger i was all about the vertical, pistol-style grip but now im all about the sporter grip. makes it a real "boom stick" and you can more easily use less than lethal close range force by throwing up that buttstock into someone's face
What do you all think about the Mossberg 930 SPX Tactical?
devwreck127 I have one and I love it. Shot lots of different loads and no failures and you can buy a rifle and ammo with the money you save on a m4.
Yup, what he said^^ I love mine too!
Love mine.....even used it for dear hunting.....and got one at 50 yards
Mossberg 500 ATI scorpion, my shotgun of choice, pump is the only way to go for a 12 gauge.
You need a 2019 Edition
I have a FN SLP and it has been nothing but trouble since I got it. I would steer clear of it unless you enjoy feeding issues and parts constantly breaking.
No Kel-Tec's. Come on guys. ???
keith byrd the KSG is 🔥🔥🔥
Too odd to carry in residental area, rather to use on warfare due to it high blow-out
Where’s the ksggggggggg
Just a little advice. With the shooting that just happened, the first day or two would have been the perfect time to put out a video saying that this was the perfect example of people having guns saving lives. Just thought I should throw that out there.
Typhoon Defence F12 and the Kel Tec KSG can not be beat
do you own a typhoon and if so where did u get yours im trying to track down the drum magazine its proving to be difficult as i cant see to figure out how to call the headquarters in the uk
TopEnd Semi-auto shotgun: Baikal MP 153 with TacStar 870 magazine tube extension! they actually have some advantages over much more expensive shotguns like the Benelli. Primarily, their ability to cycle. The gas piston system is heavy-duty and wraps around the magazine tube underneath the forearm, and it’s self-regulating for light and heavy loads. They really mean it. The gun has no problem going from 2-3/4″ shot to 3.5″ slugs and back.
A fiber-optic reflex is "old school"? ha ha ha.
M3, M4, Baikal, Striker, HS-10, Remington models: looks scary when you shoot.
DP-12, Vepr-12, SPAS-12, USAS-12, AA-12, CAWS, JackHammer: looks scary when you look.
I can fire my semi-auto Saiga 12 faster than the AA12 fires full auto.
And the AA12 guys say "It's more controllable "
Well duh.
Great choices used them all on the battlefield and nothing 40yards or less never got in my zone for close combat great variety my weopon everywhere else was m60/m230
Mossberg 930 is better than a benelli M3 it's 1/3 the price.
Isn't that apples to oranges though given that the M3 is convertible?
I'd say it's a third the price. But in no way shape or form is it even close to better. I mean you like what you like but they arent comparable
Remington 870 has been in every patrol vehicle I have been in.Including the armored door breechers
My top 5 favorite shotguns
5.benelli M4
4.Remington 870 tactical
3.Mossberg 590A1
2.Sega 12
1.Mossberg maverick 88
Had a S&W SD40, looked like and field stripped like a glock. Didn't cycle like one, had about 4 ftf in 200 rds. Give it a bump with the heal of your hand and it would seat.
I carried an M4 in Iraq. I loooovvvveeee that gun. Wish I could afford one for my home
I have an old school Benelli M1 Tactical. Has the extended tube mag, rifle sights, pistol grip, picatinny rail over receiver. This thing is stupid fast, and I would hate to be the idget on the other end. I know some folks love the newer M3 - M4, but I spent big money on this one back in the day, and it works, so why retire it?
iv8888 u should do a top five hand guns
zdp production I think they have
Joshua Godsey o I didn't know
zdp production I would check
Hey guy's love the video. Have you guys tried a VR80? I'm interested in buying one but I'd love your take on it.
how can you not include the saiga 12 ? if i had to choose between one of those pump shot guns and a saiga 12 for combat, i would take the saiga 12 with a 20 round drum all day long.
Practicing room to room with 20rd sucks. You have to reach around the drum, making your lead elbow stick way out. I prefer 10rd sticks. Easier to carry. You can distribute the weight of several mags on your body in different places and you can keep your elbows tucked in going through doorways. If I were posted up in position for defense or an ambush, drums would be far superior. S12 all the way!
yadjekim Vepr vs Saiga?
Vepr is better made. That said, my S12 has run flawlessly since '06. Would never part with it.
Saigas very in quality by quite a bit, some are fine others need a lot of work. on top of that they loose some practicality because of the magazines. the 10rd mags (might as well be 9) are like boat ores. getting in and out of vehicles can be cumbersome. also leaving the mags loaded can deform the shells. in the end saigas are fun ranges toys but are not very practical.
It is far more space-efficient to carry individual shells for a tube-loaded shotgun, than it is to bother with bulky and unreliable box magazines. I'd rather use a tube-fed pump than a magazine-fed semiauto. You can't do a slug-select drill with a magazine-fed shotgun either.
Heat is such a great movie. The authenticity is what makes it so great.
590A1 is king
Yes, why no coverage?
Love my H&R .12 GA pump!! This thing never let's me down
My old trustworthy Maverick 88 is still going strong lol
But I definitely prefer my Mossberg Marine
I'm a low budget college student. Is the 500 or 590 worth saving up for instead of the Maverick 88? If so, why?
John357 depends on what you're going use it for and how often you plan to shoot it.
John357 yah get a mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 both are indestructible guns with massive aftermarket
I sort of ruled out Remington in my head after hearing about Freedom Group taking them over and quality going down tremendously.
The JTS is an impressive semi-auto shotty SAIGA/Vepr12 copy that has a box input for those who had loading/reloading issues with the SAIGA. Try her out.
Vepr12 > Origin12
without a doubt
+Gunguy 45-70 verp 12 cost around 800 to 1200 based on mods. origin 12 cost over 2300
+Gunguy 45-70 verp 12 cost around 800 to 1200 based on mods. origin 12 cost over 2300
Vepr is coming out with an SBS under 2k by the way.
+TheTyrial86 i heard the molot factory went bankrupt because of obamas sanctions. last i read the factory was being autioned off.
Mossberg 930 JM series is the best! Full length.
What's the best shotgun under $1000
Lorenzo Cordero mossberg 590a1
Mossberg 930
All of the above are wrong. Benelli Nova is the answer.
Remington 870 express tactical hands down
The Fostech Origin IS a movie gun and I fell in love with it when they had it in the movie Showtime with Robert De Niro and Eddie Murphy. Too bad its friggin close to 3 grand. So i bought a Black Aces SA bullpup shotgun for 350 bucks and it works perfectly for what I need it for. Maybe if I had enough cash Ill buy an Origin one day..
Akimbo 1887's duh
Maybe
Pre patch, of course.
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