Our 3 Day adventure ride didn't turn out as planned. It involved a rescue by Police, Ambulance, Fire Engine, 2X SES rescue vehicles and the Westpac Helicopter.
So grateful for people like you who can share their experiences, both good and bad so that others can learn. Wishing your mate a speady recovery and looking forward to your content to follow.
Wow, firstly I hope your mate is in full recovery! Secondly, what an epic teaser... Popcorn will be ready! So thankful for more amazing Brent Pearson content. Better than Halloween.
So smart having a Sat Phone. I carry a SPOT-X which is nearly as good. Without any comms, you add a lot more delay and risk. A lot of people don't carry any form of sat comms, not even a cheap PLB. Hopefully the rider makes a full recovery. Really looking forward to the video. Lots to learn from this one for everyone that rides out into remote places. Cheers
First off I hope your mate is well and recovering. Good to see the reality of riding in the bush and this video was not click bate like that other Aussie bloke who had a similar title on one of his videos and then rode right thru the accident without even stopping! What an arse!
@@peteslifeadventures Hey Pete, yes, if you watch the full video, you'll hear me clearly ask the operator if it would help if we triggered our PLB or Inreach, but she said "no". If I were doing this again, I would ignore her and activate the PLB which would have helped the helicopter home in on us as well.
@@brentbat yeah, I’m watching the full video now. I always carry a SPOT tracker and PLB when out bush. BTW it was the NSW VRA vehicles not SES. Ex NSW VRA member. Glad in the end everything turned out ok and you got the required assistance and Craig is on the mend.
@@brentbat I still find it amazing they couldn’t find your location via long / lat. considering the app Emergency Plus is what all emergency services in Aus suggest to use and it gives your location in long /Lat.
Good ol' angel in the sky for those hard to reach places. As a paramedic and dirt/adventure bike rider, in between adv outrides or enduros as participant, I also do medical support for enduros or as sweep medic for adventure bike tours (as well as route medic for MTB races). It's so handy for the event organizers to have someone stabilize the fallen rider asap while a 4x4 ambulance makes its way to the accident scene, especially at enduros in hilly areas. As rider and as medic, I take my Garmin InReach mini with for poor mobile reception areas which provides great peace of mind.
Hey Sean... yes, I ride with a Garmin Inreach as well. I love it. Probably would have been quicker and easier if we triggered the SOS on that, as at least they would have known where we were.
I thought that was funny when the guy that had the accident was laying there flipping the camera off how funny at least you kept his spirits up during the accident God bless you all I enjoy your video
Remember the 000 call takers and their computer systems for dispatching jobs rely on ‘street address’ for location. Most of they maps the call centres use don’t even have the capacity for latitude and longitude. 99.9% of emergency calls are for ‘street addresses’ so remote rescues are just not catered for in the computer dispatch systems.
@@holmes1956ODo you think you call the helicopter direct or the private company running 000 call taking, then the state ambulance service who then gets the air ambulance? Or are you so special you have a direct number for the air ambulance? Try and do your research before making statements about topics you know nothing about.
So glad you are traveling as a group. How small that group ever is, it is live saving not to be alone. Hope everything is fine and he will recover soon.
Have been in that exact same scenario as you, we needed the RFDS tho due to remoteness just don't know what the new day brings out on the trails, Speedy recovery to the fallen comrade. Cant wait for the full episode.
Beautiful ride! This topic is something we all need to make us aware of, that it happens and how we could possibly prepare for the worse. I solo ride mostly... In rural areas. Thanks for sharing guys! Sub on this!
Great Intro and truly thank you for posting this aspect of the ride! I had a similar experience this past August. Riding on what would be considered pretty easy terrain, I hit a small rock on an even simpler rock face and came down on some wet moss. Apparently I high-sided and went down hard….all in an instant. My injuries turned out to be significant with a Pneumothorax, four broken ribs and a broken shoulder (clavicle). Like you we were still about 2.5 kms back in the woods in a “you can’t get there from here” kind of situation. Ultimately our local Fire Department was able to use a 4x4 loaded with a Rescue Litter and Backboard to ferry our EHS Paramedics to the scene. The last half km was a walk by the team with the litter and gear. Like you I was fortunate to be riding with friends who were equipped with a Cell Phone to call 911 and they were able to ride out and meet the Responders. Two stayed with me and two rode out. It was a heck of an extrication but if I can say anything to our riding Community, always try to ride with friends….never by yourself. And yeah, I know…I have ridden a ton of times by myself but there is always that one time where it’s going to count. Always a good idea to have some simple First Aid Training too. The giggle of my situation was that I normally Coordinate our Medical Response program for our Harescramble Championship and various Organized Rec Rides! I am not used to being the patient. Anyway, my apologies for being so long winded. Truly hope your Buddy is recovering and back on a bike soon!
I broke my foot on the six foot track out at Oberon, was so lucky there were some guys on quads there, was able to ride one of their quads out and then get on my bike once we got to the highway. Wasn't half as muddy as that though. Hope you have a speedy recovery!
Having worked as retrieval doctor..the pilots will usually work of latitude and longitude if they dont have a street address. They will plug it in as they take off and then search the area once they arrive at the location of interest. Call to take off time in urgent cases would be around 4-8 minutes in day light hours. Also, PLB is a great device and they will come use its beacon signal to Orient themselves at the location. At times we have hovered over the PLB and yet not found the person in thick bush/jungle for hours. Happy riding! The huski looks neat!
Thanks Abhilash for your note. Yes, we had a PLB with us but chose to use the sat phone. If I was doing this again, I would definitely activate PLB so the chopper could home in on the signal, and I"m also thinking of carrying a marine flare so I could trigger smoke for the chopper.
Hey B3 Hulk.... Yes, we have tons of footage, and when I do the final edit I'm going to include quite a bit of detail. I think everyone wants to learn from these situations... and while we did a lof things right.... we still learned things from the experience that we will share. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.... but Hindsight with detailed video recording is even better. Everyone had GoPro cameras, so you see all the obstacles that prevented first responders from getting in etc.
Camera work is next level in this vid keen to see more of both the camera work (still using your XT4?) and story itself. Gotta admit I was stumped when you said you couldn't be found with longitude & latitude very curious to hear more about that. Anyways great to see you're back, great trailer & speedy recovery.
Thx... No, I'm not using my XT4.... Most of the footage was either GoPro or iPhone in Cinematic mode. Just to clarify, it wasn't me that crashed. I'm fit as a fiddle :-)
@@brentbat impressive stuff using an iphone I'm looking forward to the full vid even more now. Oops I meant to write speedy recovery to your mate. Cant wait for the upload cheers.
Damn, not what you want happening when you head out for a ride, but looks like you guys had the gear and the know how on making sure he got out of there!
Similar situation a mate had a pretty severe hart attack out in the bush , I gave em gps coordinates , they had to meet me and follow me in ( even though I told them we couldn’t get a Vehical to him ) it was 4 hours from when I rang till we finally got the helicopter , lucky he survived
Very expensive day and yes they can find you with Lat & Long ….maybe just a new operator. Its one of the key ways of finding someone so I’d expect it to be instant yes we can.
Hey Defender 110, that is a really good question. One of our other mates did exactly the same thing about 4 weeks ago... In exactly the same boots (soft adv boots). You never really know if the injury could have been avoided with proper MX-style boots, but I do know that I have had the bike fall on my feet several times and so far I've emerged without injury. I am pretty sure that Craig will be getting hard boots when is riding again (the medics cut his boot off his foot).
Hi Brent-i'm in Cental NSW Australia I actually bought a Skydio 2 after watching your clips on the outback to the blue mountains. Plus a few others. Great drone but I no longer use it as its pretty invoved doing camera and drone shots. If you don't mind and any of your subs in Australia wants one i plan to sell mine at a fair price. Comes with Skydio 2/case/2 batteries/beacon/controller/nd filter/charger/bike mount etc -Done roughly 6 hours use. I'm mainly on road bikes but I did just buy a Kawasaki KLX150 so may try more dirt soon.
He says his foot got caught on the ground. If you watch the video before the accident, you see him doing just that. That is why he crashed, he didn't know how ro ride. Feet on the pegs, period.
Looked like a great ride and so unfortunate for your mate. Can I ask whether better boots would have helped lessen his injuries? My mates and I are always discussing adv boots and looking for best safety. Hope he recovers well.
Hey Nic, It's hard to say whether better boots would have helped, but Craig was wearing the softer "Adventure style boots".... and our other friend John just broke his leg in the same situation (and he was wearing the same brand of soft boots). I know those boots are often not allowed on tours or rallies. I wear motocross boots (Sidi Crossfire 2s) and I have had the bike fall on my legs multiple times... and so far so good. They do say that foot injuries are the number one injury for Adventure riding.
@@brentbat Wow, not wearing mx boots, unreal. I wouldn't get out, especially on 450lb/204 kilo adventure bike without Hard/MX Boots. On the other hand, I should gear up better on my Harley, so I'm also a bit of a hypocrite lol..I guess it's just that on my dirt bike, I know for a fact, I'm going crash and burn at some point, almost every day, so decent hard-shelled boots are a must.
Adv Brett, It was the dispatcher that told me this... If you look down through the comments, you will see Mandy saying that she had the same issue in QLD. I've lodged a formal complaint to Ambulance NSW and I'm also now working with somebody from this forum who works for Ambulance NSW to see if we can't use this incident to get some attention on the issue. This is a pretty big deal as it could be life or death.
Interesting. Was picked up by a chopper via lat and long in bush area in Qld nearly 11 years ago. The Emergency Plus app for your phone gives lat and long and address if possible using what3words and also has the dial phone numbers for emergency services, Police and SES immediately above the location.
@@brentbat completely right not for feet. But for other crashes a airbag vest can limited the impact on your upper body. Looking to MotoGP and Dakar it have already proved itself. Thanks for reply. Gr Nick👍
Gotta love TAC in Vic, it's one thing they got right down here, no third party, The TAC levy on your insurance covers the lot if its a registered vehicle. That includes ambulance and all hospital expenses.
Hi Brent you need to given them a grid reference will help to locate you most choppers have UHF radios. Might be a good idea you pack a good quality handle held in you kit bag. Maybe having and EPR might help? Hope your make is OK
Aldo, we had a PLB, 2X Garmin Inreaches, 1 Sat phone and UHF radio, so I think we were pretty prepared, but we had no clue what channel the choppers monitor on UHF. When the chopper flew by us we decided to signal to it visually (using one of our mirrors and also the high beam lights of one of our bikes elevated).
@@brentbat hello Brent the best method is to give the nearest road or intersection like a known Rd to the operator 9/10 you need to meet them at this interaction and explain them that they have to follow you in. Most choppers and land in the bush, but a cleared area is better. Aldo
@@aldogiucci7601 We did send somebody to meet the crew at the turnoff from the main road. The chopper landing was not an issue. But I disagree with you... I think the best method is giving Long/Lat to an operator that knows how to input this into the system. I have spoken to NSW Ambulance, and this is a training failure on their part. Their operators ARE supposed to know how to locate with long/lat coordinates ... AND pass them on to First Responders.
@@brentbat Hi Brent, your experience of having a rider down is every off-road riders worst nightmare. Glad to see the chopper was able to rescue your mate. Hope he’s okay and keen to see the full video. Cheers Bill
@@brentbat The emergency services in the UK have used this app for a while now and it has proved to be very helpful indeed. I would definitely download it, obviously you still need to have network coverage unlike a sat phone but it’s a worthwhile app. 👍
@@701Adventures The app works offline, no coverage required to pinpoint your location which you can then convey via sat phone to 000. See czcams.com/video/_JBwRxjCq-k/video.html There is also a local emergency services app that also provides what three words play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.threesixtyentertainment.nesn etc.. My limited experience is they are better set up to handle W3W than GPS coordinates, otherwise you are on the usual "what's your address and nearest cross street" script. @Brent Glad your mate got attended to, and wish him the best in recovery.
I understand your frustration in regards to Lat Longs and Emergency Services! Try using the EMERGENCY+ APP for Police/Fire/Ambulance it's a National System developed by Emergency Services. This App uses the GPS functionality in your smartphone to pin point your location and make a call to 000! Can be used without Mobile Signal as it utilises an Emergency Frequency so in effect your smartphone can call from anywhere in Australia using this App in an Emergency situation. It gives you a map of your location with the GPS coordinates to give the operator. Lat/Long coordinates are different for air services. Using this app your location will be transferred correctly to the Emergency Services and their should be no confusion in regards to your location Land/Air...I assume sea as well. It does make you wonder why every mob phone sold in Aus does not have this App installed as mandatory? Unfortunately these services are very poorly communicated...... Anyway a bad days ride always make great stories during/after your recovered. Hope this helps....
Stuart, I've heard mixed things about Emergency Plus app. I've heard that it requires cellular coverage to work. The comment you make about it being used without mobile signal.... Are you sure about that? I don't understand how that can work. Can you point me to anything that talks about this capability?
@@brentbat Brent, I stand corrected, Yes! You do require an active mobile network. I was given this App as an alternative during the fires when our mobile tower was out, I was able to make a call to the 000 operator from my mobile in an area that I don't normally get phone signal.That is why I "Assumed" that it must tap into an Emergency frequency when using this App. (That was my understanding as why it was given). Being a RFS member during the fires we were unable to make contact with our radio in the truck and the Mobile tower was out so this App provided me with comms to call in an air strike giving Lat Longs via the app. I Apologize for my assumption. Hope your mate is ok.....I know what that wait is like, I hit a sheep on a 1090r as I come over a steep crest 2 yrs ago at about 100kph....so 13 broken bones later..... had to wait nearly 3 hours for an ambo for the green whistle (which did SFA), luckily a chopper arrived just after the ambo arrived as i wouldn't of made the road trip to hospital.
Brent their is a conversion which the Lat Longs from your GPS are converted to a format which air traffic use on their mapping systems. That is what caused the confusion in the 1st place. I'll get back to you on that as I cannot remember how to do it.
@@StuartReed-fr6hl Thanks for the clarification Stuart. I would have been surprised and amazed if the Emergency Plus App plugged into some emergency spectrum. Sorry to hear about your crash. I'm glad you are OK.... Wow, 3 hour wait is a long time when you are in pain.
@@StuartReed-fr6hl Hey Stuart, Yes, I'm familiar with both formats for Long/Lat. (degrees, min, sec and Decimal). But it seems that all cell phones will give you long/lat in deg/min/sec if you use the compass app to locate yourself. As it turns out, I could have easily supplied the coordinates in decimal if the operator asked for it, but instead she just said "I can't locate you using long/lat". I believe that dispatchers should be able to deal with either decimal or deg/min/sec format when entering Long lat, and that would solve the problem.
Craigs probably had more injuries road racing...hope he's ok. I've had the same problems getting help with co-ordinates. It's quite disappointing that the operators don't have the ability just to enter in the positioning.
He's a grumpy old tough bastard, so I think it will take more than a broken leg to keep him down. Yeah, I'm shocked by the dispatcher's lack of training and I'm going to use my video to launch a bit of a crusade to see if I can do something about it. Can you imagine what it would be like if you had a life-threatening emergency and they couldn't resolve your lat/long coordinates?
@@therealkeal Hi there, yes, I've been communicating with several Adv riders who work for Ambulance NSW and they confirmed the same. I am pretty sure this is a training issue and that I happened to come across a new operator that hadn't been trained properly. Not acceptable. I'm hoping that by sharing our experience I can help prevent it from happening again.
That's pretty shit Brent. What3words is really handy but don't know if 000 uses it. Lucky you had a satphone. Would have been a bit of excitement. Now to get the bike out of there....
Hey Normal Guy.... we actually had the bike recovered before the help came. Once we spoke to the ambulance and gave them our wearabouts, 3 riders headed out. They dropped 1 at the junction to the main road to wait for the first responders.... the other two rode into town and dumped a bike. The guy on the GS doubled the other rider back to the accident scene. They both got back before the helicopter, so after the helicopter picked up the injured rider, we were all set to continue on our way.... bike was safe and sound in the nearest town.
So grateful for people like you who can share their experiences, both good and bad so that others can learn. Wishing your mate a speady recovery and looking forward to your content to follow.
Wow, firstly I hope your mate is in full recovery! Secondly, what an epic teaser... Popcorn will be ready! So thankful for more amazing Brent Pearson content. Better than Halloween.
So smart having a Sat Phone. I carry a SPOT-X which is nearly as good. Without any comms, you add a lot more delay and risk. A lot of people don't carry any form of sat comms, not even a cheap PLB. Hopefully the rider makes a full recovery. Really looking forward to the video. Lots to learn from this one for everyone that rides out into remote places. Cheers
First off I hope your mate is well and recovering.
Good to see the reality of riding in the bush and this video was not click bate like that other Aussie bloke who had a similar title on one of his videos and then rode right thru the accident without even stopping! What an arse!
hope he makes a speedy recovery, and thankfully it was his leg not a spinal injury. Ride safe
Why riding with mates (who are prepared) is so important. Can't wait for the full video Brent!
I think between us we had 1 PLB, 2X Garmin Inreach, 1 Satellite phone and 3 first aid kits.... So yes, we were well prepared luckily.
@@brentbatdid you consider activating the PLB when they couldn’t use the long, lat co-ords?
@@peteslifeadventures Hey Pete, yes, if you watch the full video, you'll hear me clearly ask the operator if it would help if we triggered our PLB or Inreach, but she said "no". If I were doing this again, I would ignore her and activate the PLB which would have helped the helicopter home in on us as well.
@@brentbat yeah, I’m watching the full video now. I always carry a SPOT tracker and PLB when out bush. BTW it was the NSW VRA vehicles not SES. Ex NSW VRA member. Glad in the end everything turned out ok and you got the required assistance and Craig is on the mend.
@@brentbat I still find it amazing they couldn’t find your location via long / lat. considering the app Emergency Plus is what all emergency services in Aus suggest to use and it gives your location in long /Lat.
Good ol' angel in the sky for those hard to reach places. As a paramedic and dirt/adventure bike rider, in between adv outrides or enduros as participant, I also do medical support for enduros or as sweep medic for adventure bike tours (as well as route medic for MTB races). It's so handy for the event organizers to have someone stabilize the fallen rider asap while a 4x4 ambulance makes its way to the accident scene, especially at enduros in hilly areas. As rider and as medic, I take my Garmin InReach mini with for poor mobile reception areas which provides great peace of mind.
Hey Sean... yes, I ride with a Garmin Inreach as well. I love it. Probably would have been quicker and easier if we triggered the SOS on that, as at least they would have known where we were.
I thought that was funny when the guy that had the accident was laying there flipping the camera off how funny at least you kept his spirits up during the accident God bless you all I enjoy your video
I have just started donating some money out of each pay automatically to the Westpac helicopter. They do an amazing job. Glad to see he was OK.
Agreed! I'm going to donate all the CZcams revenue from the video I make to Westpac Careflight.
@@brentbat that's awesome mate. I'll definitely share it around when you publish it. 👍
Wish your friend a very speedy recovery. Nice teaser footage for a full video - looking forward to the full one.
Great video with lots to learn from as always, Brent. Also, fantastic area and very unfortunate accident. Wishing your friend fast healing
What kind of emergency services do we have if "They can't locate me from Longitude and Latitude"? Hope there's an explanation of this one
Yeah that got me too WTH. Hope to get an explanation as well.
😂😂😂😂😂 looks kinda staged to me 😂😂😂😂😂
Remember the 000 call takers and their computer systems for dispatching jobs rely on ‘street address’ for location. Most of they maps the call centres use don’t even have the capacity for latitude and longitude. 99.9% of emergency calls are for ‘street addresses’ so remote rescues are just not catered for in the computer dispatch systems.
@@whomcares3438 this was a helicopter rescue bonehead
@@holmes1956ODo you think you call the helicopter direct or the private company running 000 call taking, then the state ambulance service who then gets the air ambulance? Or are you so special you have a direct number for the air ambulance? Try and do your research before making statements about topics you know nothing about.
So glad you are traveling as a group. How small that group ever is, it is live saving not to be alone. Hope everything is fine and he will recover soon.
Always look forward to your videos and stories. Will be keenly waiting on the notification when this vid goes live!
Have been in that exact same scenario as you, we needed the RFDS tho due to remoteness just don't know what the new day brings out on the trails, Speedy recovery to the fallen comrade. Cant wait for the full episode.
Thanks for sharing. It reminds us to ride safely and be prepared for the unexpected situation.
00:59 ''I can give you longitude and latitude''
Responder: ''We need a street address sir!''
Beautiful ride! This topic is something we all need to make us aware of, that it happens and how we could possibly prepare for the worse. I solo ride mostly... In rural areas. Thanks for sharing guys! Sub on this!
Best wishes to your mate for a speedy recovery.
Great Intro and truly thank you for posting this aspect of the ride! I had a similar experience this past August. Riding on what would be considered pretty easy terrain, I hit a small rock on an even simpler rock face and came down on some wet moss. Apparently I high-sided and went down hard….all in an instant. My injuries turned out to be significant with a Pneumothorax, four broken ribs and a broken shoulder (clavicle). Like you we were still about 2.5 kms back in the woods in a “you can’t get there from here” kind of situation. Ultimately our local Fire Department was able to use a 4x4 loaded with a Rescue Litter and Backboard to ferry our EHS Paramedics to the scene. The last half km was a walk by the team with the litter and gear.
Like you I was fortunate to be riding with friends who were equipped with a Cell Phone to call 911 and they were able to ride out and meet the Responders. Two stayed with me and two rode out. It was a heck of an extrication but if I can say anything to our riding Community, always try to ride with friends….never by yourself. And yeah, I know…I have ridden a ton of times by myself but there is always that one time where it’s going to count. Always a good idea to have some simple First Aid Training too. The giggle of my situation was that I normally Coordinate our Medical Response program for our Harescramble Championship and various Organized Rec Rides! I am not used to being the patient. Anyway, my apologies for being so long winded. Truly hope your Buddy is recovering and back on a bike soon!
Hey Grant, glad you got out OK and I hope you are recovering well. Yeah, I think I'm going to do a first aid course.... certainly can't hurt.
@@brentbat thanks again Brent! I subscribed to your channel too. Really enjoyed your videos!!!
I broke my foot on the six foot track out at Oberon, was so lucky there were some guys on quads there, was able to ride one of their quads out and then get on my bike once we got to the highway. Wasn't half as muddy as that though. Hope you have a speedy recovery!
Sad . You were all prepared and there to help.
Amazing the amount of effort put in by others to help👍
So important to have an PLB....been there done that....
What a teaser!
Having worked as retrieval doctor..the pilots will usually work of latitude and longitude if they dont have a street address. They will plug it in as they take off and then search the area once they arrive at the location of interest.
Call to take off time in urgent cases would be around 4-8 minutes in day light hours.
Also, PLB is a great device and they will come use its beacon signal to Orient themselves at the location. At times we have hovered over the PLB and yet not found the person in thick bush/jungle for hours.
Happy riding! The huski looks neat!
Thanks Abhilash for your note. Yes, we had a PLB with us but chose to use the sat phone. If I was doing this again, I would definitely activate PLB so the chopper could home in on the signal, and I"m also thinking of carrying a marine flare so I could trigger smoke for the chopper.
Unfortunately these things happen great to see you had the appropriate devices to get help.
Aw man. Hope your buddy gets well soon.
I'm from Tennessee in the states don't feel bwd the dispatchers here are about that slow too until your buddy I'm flipping one back all right
I remember that day, I was in the SES headquarters when we got the message to come assist. Eager to see what happened from your perspective.
Hey B3 Hulk.... Yes, we have tons of footage, and when I do the final edit I'm going to include quite a bit of detail. I think everyone wants to learn from these situations... and while we did a lof things right.... we still learned things from the experience that we will share. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.... but Hindsight with detailed video recording is even better. Everyone had GoPro cameras, so you see all the obstacles that prevented first responders from getting in etc.
Epic =D
Really hope your mate was OK 👍 🤞🤞
Hope he's okay!
For the next bikes go even bigger, those you are riding are to small for adventure riding. Glad your friend i ok..
I’m not sure if you are being serious or joking.
We have all come from big adv bikes and love the 690701 bike. What do you ride?
Broken bones are not fun. The pain is excruciating. It's a serious mental challenge to maintain control. Damn lucky it wasn't a compound fracture.
Very sorry to hear this about your friend Brent, but OMG the camera work already !!
Camera work is next level in this vid keen to see more of both the camera work (still using your XT4?) and story itself. Gotta admit I was stumped when you said you couldn't be found with longitude & latitude very curious to hear more about that. Anyways great to see you're back, great trailer & speedy recovery.
Thx... No, I'm not using my XT4.... Most of the footage was either GoPro or iPhone in Cinematic mode. Just to clarify, it wasn't me that crashed. I'm fit as a fiddle :-)
@@brentbat impressive stuff using an iphone I'm looking forward to the full vid even more now. Oops I meant to write speedy recovery to your mate. Cant wait for the upload cheers.
Damn, not what you want happening when you head out for a ride, but looks like you guys had the gear and the know how on making sure he got out of there!
Yes, you are right, it's definitely not what you want to happen, but it is good to be prepared for a worst-case scenario.
Similar situation a mate had a pretty severe hart attack out in the bush , I gave em gps coordinates , they had to meet me and follow me in ( even though I told them we couldn’t get a Vehical to him ) it was 4 hours from when I rang till we finally got the helicopter , lucky he survived
Wow, I'm glad your friend survived as well. I thought 2 hours was bad.
Hope he had real good insurance, looks very expensive 🍻
Very expensive day and yes they can find you with Lat & Long ….maybe just a new operator. Its one of the key ways of finding someone so I’d expect it to be instant yes we can.
Hey Occyman, No, luckily Craig is covered so I don't think it will cost him a dime.
Hoping for a quick recovery! It looks like he has soft “ADV” boots? I wonder if proper protection would’ve helped.
Hey Defender 110, that is a really good question. One of our other mates did exactly the same thing about 4 weeks ago... In exactly the same boots (soft adv boots). You never really know if the injury could have been avoided with proper MX-style boots, but I do know that I have had the bike fall on my feet several times and so far I've emerged without injury. I am pretty sure that Craig will be getting hard boots when is riding again (the medics cut his boot off his foot).
Hi Brent-i'm in Cental NSW Australia I actually bought a Skydio 2 after watching your clips on the outback to the blue mountains. Plus a few others. Great drone but I no longer use it as its pretty invoved doing camera and drone shots. If you don't mind and any of your subs in Australia wants one i plan to sell mine at a fair price. Comes with Skydio 2/case/2 batteries/beacon/controller/nd filter/charger/bike mount etc -Done roughly 6 hours use.
I'm mainly on road bikes but I did just buy a Kawasaki KLX150 so may try more dirt soon.
You'll have no problems selling your Skydio. Plenty of people want one.
@@brentbat thanks and appreciated if you hear of any-one interested -please send them my way.
@@ridewithwarro I have a buyer for your skydio. Email me at brentbat@gmail.com if it is still for sale.
He says his foot got caught on the ground. If you watch the video before the accident, you see him doing just that. That is why he crashed, he didn't know how ro ride. Feet on the pegs, period.
Looked like a great ride and so unfortunate for your mate. Can I ask whether better boots would have helped lessen his injuries? My mates and I are always discussing adv boots and looking for best safety. Hope he recovers well.
Hey Nic, It's hard to say whether better boots would have helped, but Craig was wearing the softer "Adventure style boots".... and our other friend John just broke his leg in the same situation (and he was wearing the same brand of soft boots). I know those boots are often not allowed on tours or rallies. I wear motocross boots (Sidi Crossfire 2s) and I have had the bike fall on my legs multiple times... and so far so good. They do say that foot injuries are the number one injury for Adventure riding.
@@brentbat because of our mutual friend Neil I have moved from the Sidi Adventure to the Sidi Crossfire as well. Its important
@@thecorporategypsy I totally agree.
@@brentbat Wow, not wearing mx boots, unreal.
I wouldn't get out, especially on 450lb/204 kilo adventure
bike without Hard/MX Boots. On the other hand, I should
gear up better on my Harley, so I'm also a bit of
a hypocrite lol..I guess it's just that on my dirt bike,
I know for a fact, I'm going crash and burn at some point,
almost every day, so decent hard-shelled boots are
a must.
@@bikersoncall I hear you. I would only wear MX boots off road.
Heal fast bud
Very keen to see this!! I'd love to know who told you they couldn't find you via Lat & Long!
Adv Brett, It was the dispatcher that told me this... If you look down through the comments, you will see Mandy saying that she had the same issue in QLD. I've lodged a formal complaint to Ambulance NSW and I'm also now working with somebody from this forum who works for Ambulance NSW to see if we can't use this incident to get some attention on the issue. This is a pretty big deal as it could be life or death.
@@brentbat This is also something I can help with, how do I get in touch with you?
@@brentbat Just sent a quick message through FB Messenger
Interesting. Was picked up by a chopper via lat and long in bush area in Qld nearly 11 years ago. The Emergency Plus app for your phone gives lat and long and address if possible using what3words and also has the dial phone numbers for emergency services, Police and SES immediately above the location.
In Los Angeles they send the chopper first thing.
Hope your mate makes a good recovery, hopefully he won’t have to pay for the Chopper!
I think if you are with ambulance membership, it is covered
Maybe a (offroad) airbag vest for the future? It's very effective for crashes.
For feet? It is my understanding that the most common injury for offroad riding is feet injuries. I can't imagine an airbag will help with that.
@@brentbat completely right not for feet. But for other crashes a airbag vest can limited the impact on your upper body. Looking to MotoGP and Dakar it have already proved itself. Thanks for reply. Gr Nick👍
Geez what did that cost?
NSW Ambulance call-out fee is $407 plus $3.67 per kilometer
Hate to think what a helicopter costs
maximum
6,797
(2021 - $6,668)
Gotta love TAC in Vic, it's one thing they got right down here, no third party, The TAC levy on your insurance covers the lot if its a registered vehicle. That includes ambulance and all hospital expenses.
@@GanGozif im reading right it says fixed fee $27,732
Hi Brent you need to given them a grid reference will help to locate you most choppers have UHF radios.
Might be a good idea you pack a good quality handle held in you kit bag. Maybe having and EPR might help? Hope your make is OK
Aldo, we had a PLB, 2X Garmin Inreaches, 1 Sat phone and UHF radio, so I think we were pretty prepared, but we had no clue what channel the choppers monitor on UHF. When the chopper flew by us we decided to signal to it visually (using one of our mirrors and also the high beam lights of one of our bikes elevated).
@@brentbat hello Brent the best method is to give the nearest road or intersection like a known Rd to the operator
9/10 you need to meet them at this interaction and explain them that they have to follow you in. Most choppers and land in the bush, but a cleared area is better. Aldo
@@aldogiucci7601 We did send somebody to meet the crew at the turnoff from the main road. The chopper landing was not an issue. But I disagree with you... I think the best method is giving Long/Lat to an operator that knows how to input this into the system. I have spoken to NSW Ambulance, and this is a training failure on their part. Their operators ARE supposed to know how to locate with long/lat coordinates ... AND pass them on to First Responders.
@@brentbat It's good to know that they will fix it up for next time using GPS coordinates is the best option.
Aldo
Regarding location. Would the app What3words have helped?
Hey Bill, I think it probably would have. I'm going to load it on my phone and recommend it when I do the full video edit.
@@brentbat Hi Brent, your experience of having a rider down is every off-road riders worst nightmare. Glad to see the chopper was able to rescue your mate. Hope he’s okay and keen to see the full video. Cheers Bill
@@brentbat The emergency services in the UK have used this app for a while now and it has proved to be very helpful indeed. I would definitely download it, obviously you still need to have network coverage unlike a sat phone but it’s a worthwhile app. 👍
@@701Adventures The app works offline, no coverage required to pinpoint your location which you can then convey via sat phone to 000. See czcams.com/video/_JBwRxjCq-k/video.html There is also a local emergency services app that also provides what three words play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.threesixtyentertainment.nesn etc.. My limited experience is they are better set up to handle W3W than GPS coordinates, otherwise you are on the usual "what's your address and nearest cross street" script. @Brent Glad your mate got attended to, and wish him the best in recovery.
@@kevinelphinstone8290 That’s very useful to know, I genuinely didn’t know that. I always thought it would need a signal. 👍
I understand your frustration in regards to Lat Longs and Emergency Services!
Try using the EMERGENCY+ APP for Police/Fire/Ambulance it's a National System developed by Emergency Services.
This App uses the GPS functionality in your smartphone to pin point your location and make a call to 000!
Can be used without Mobile Signal as it utilises an Emergency Frequency so in effect your smartphone can call from anywhere in Australia using this App in an Emergency situation.
It gives you a map of your location with the GPS coordinates to give the operator.
Lat/Long coordinates are different for air services. Using this app your location will be transferred correctly to the Emergency Services and their should be no confusion in regards to your location Land/Air...I assume sea as well.
It does make you wonder why every mob phone sold in Aus does not have this App installed as mandatory?
Unfortunately these services are very poorly communicated......
Anyway a bad days ride always make great stories during/after your recovered.
Hope this helps....
Stuart, I've heard mixed things about Emergency Plus app. I've heard that it requires cellular coverage to work. The comment you make about it being used without mobile signal.... Are you sure about that? I don't understand how that can work. Can you point me to anything that talks about this capability?
@@brentbat Brent, I stand corrected, Yes! You do require an active mobile network.
I was given this App as an alternative during the fires when our mobile tower was out, I was able to make a call to the 000 operator from my mobile in an area that I don't normally get phone signal.That is why I "Assumed" that it must tap into an Emergency frequency when using this App. (That was my understanding as why it was given).
Being a RFS member during the fires we were unable to make contact with our radio in the truck and the Mobile tower was out so this App provided me with comms to call in an air strike giving Lat Longs via the app. I Apologize for my assumption.
Hope your mate is ok.....I know what that wait is like, I hit a sheep on a 1090r as I come over a steep crest 2 yrs ago at about 100kph....so 13 broken bones later..... had to wait nearly 3 hours for an ambo for the green whistle (which did SFA), luckily a chopper arrived just after the ambo arrived as i wouldn't of made the road trip to hospital.
Brent their is a conversion which the Lat Longs from your GPS are converted to a format which air traffic use on their mapping systems.
That is what caused the confusion in the 1st place.
I'll get back to you on that as I cannot remember how to do it.
@@StuartReed-fr6hl Thanks for the clarification Stuart. I would have been surprised and amazed if the Emergency Plus App plugged into some emergency spectrum.
Sorry to hear about your crash. I'm glad you are OK.... Wow, 3 hour wait is a long time when you are in pain.
@@StuartReed-fr6hl Hey Stuart, Yes, I'm familiar with both formats for Long/Lat. (degrees, min, sec and Decimal). But it seems that all cell phones will give you long/lat in deg/min/sec if you use the compass app to locate yourself. As it turns out, I could have easily supplied the coordinates in decimal if the operator asked for it, but instead she just said "I can't locate you using long/lat".
I believe that dispatchers should be able to deal with either decimal or deg/min/sec format when entering Long lat, and that would solve the problem.
Who's paying for the rescue?
Healthcare insurance
Really, a emergency rescuers that cannot see in a chart the latitud/longitud to go to a certain place🙄
Craigs probably had more injuries road racing...hope he's ok.
I've had the same problems getting help with co-ordinates. It's quite disappointing that the operators don't have the ability just to enter in the positioning.
He's a grumpy old tough bastard, so I think it will take more than a broken leg to keep him down. Yeah, I'm shocked by the dispatcher's lack of training and I'm going to use my video to launch a bit of a crusade to see if I can do something about it. Can you imagine what it would be like if you had a life-threatening emergency and they couldn't resolve your lat/long coordinates?
They absolutely can use Lat & Long, or What3words. Source: work for CareFlight. It might just be the operator or communication breakdown.
@@therealkeal Hi there, yes, I've been communicating with several Adv riders who work for Ambulance NSW and they confirmed the same. I am pretty sure this is a training issue and that I happened to come across a new operator that hadn't been trained properly. Not acceptable. I'm hoping that by sharing our experience I can help prevent it from happening again.
Bugger!
Rolled his foot under the bike?
No, bike broke both his bones in his right foot. Did a proper job on it.
@@brentbat hope back in the saddle soon!
00:14 Gene Hackman on the left.
What3words is another app and locates you into a 3x3mtr sq.....
keep riding like you stole it....
Worm. Just put the whole vid up
What3words is another app you could use...
Yes, I have this now on my phone. I didn't know about it at the time.
That's pretty shit Brent. What3words is really handy but don't know if 000 uses it. Lucky you had a satphone. Would have been a bit of excitement. Now to get the bike out of there....
Hey Normal Guy.... we actually had the bike recovered before the help came. Once we spoke to the ambulance and gave them our wearabouts, 3 riders headed out. They dropped 1 at the junction to the main road to wait for the first responders.... the other two rode into town and dumped a bike. The guy on the GS doubled the other rider back to the accident scene. They both got back before the helicopter, so after the helicopter picked up the injured rider, we were all set to continue on our way.... bike was safe and sound in the nearest town.
Embarrassing.
How did you get his bike out of there ?
Nick rode it to the closest town, then HD doubled him back on the GS so Nick could ride his bike out with us.