Why Democracy Doesn't Work: 4 Lessons from Plato's Republic | Ancient Greek Philosophy |Life Academy

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  • @TheLifeAcademySN
    @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 3 lety +8

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    • @lannie691
      @lannie691 Před 10 měsíci

      "Envy rots the bones" Proverbs 14: 30

    • @DanMcTague
      @DanMcTague Před 7 měsíci

      Obviously being 300 years before Christ Plato did not consider a citizenry empowered by love. Then true Democracy can flourish. Plato was 3000 years ago by the end of the Aquarian age this will all be in place.

    • @Al.M_IndoCan
      @Al.M_IndoCan Před 6 měsíci

      ❤❤❤

    • @Al.M_IndoCan
      @Al.M_IndoCan Před 6 měsíci

      First time I am seeing this comment. Sacrificing money from CZcams " partner" program *for a principal.*
      The vast majority won't understand what I am saying. But I am certain you do. 😆
      I accidentally stumbled upon "The Life Academy ". .. Wish I had much earlier.
      Thank You. 🙏🙏

    • @benweb1105
      @benweb1105 Před 6 měsíci

      Did you find any "Professor of Social Science" to provide a complete and accurate Definition of concept: Democracy?!

  • @painandsuffer
    @painandsuffer Před 11 měsíci +17

    Democracy is global equality
    Republic is independent liberty
    "The ideal of a constitutional republic is individual liberty. In this century, great strides have been made toward the goal of subverting our republic and transforming it into a democracy. The foremost tactic of the subverters is the subversion of “language” - by calling America a democracy, until people thoughtlessly accept the term and use the term. Totalitarians have obscured the real meanings and principles of the American government.”
    Dan Smoot.

  • @1stPrinciples455
    @1stPrinciples455 Před rokem +43

    I just realised Plato and Socrates already knew 2000 years ago what i just derived my conclusion about democracy.

    • @martino8114
      @martino8114 Před rokem

      Yes … and it was 2400 years ago this discussion on how democratic government systems will alway have a life expectancy before it implodes and for his wisdom they killed him. The very first democrats killed Socrates! And have been brainless idiots since

    • @dugonman8360
      @dugonman8360 Před 10 měsíci +4

      I remember going down my own road of realization and going 'why the hell did I think democracy was always a positive thing?' Then I remembered I lived in a republic and answered my own question.

    • @geogeo1261
      @geogeo1261 Před 7 měsíci +2

      2400 years ago. Who said that 2 or 3000 years ago people were not civilized? What means civilized? The rich man? The starving man? The construction of cars, machinery means civilization? Lets start from the basics....What civilization is?

    • @AapVanDieKaap
      @AapVanDieKaap Před 6 měsíci

      But they weren't illiterate...

    • @1stPrinciples455
      @1stPrinciples455 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@AapVanDieKaap many scientists in ancient times also we're not illiterate. The fact remains, they were wrong

  • @chekabove404
    @chekabove404 Před rokem +34

    Plato believed that the best form of government was one that was based on justice and that promoted the common good, and he believed that democracy, like all other forms of government, had the potential to be unjust. Plato was particularly critical of what he saw as the excesses of democracy, such as the tendency of the majority to trample the rights of the minority. However, Plato also recognized the value of democracy as a form of government that gives all citizens a voice in the decision-making process. In the end, Plato's view of democracy was nuanced and complex, and he saw it as having both positive and negative aspects.

    • @elite8248
      @elite8248 Před 26 dny

      Are you a bot or a human being that decided to use chat gpt to write a comment?

  • @ABDULLAHKHAN-wl5we
    @ABDULLAHKHAN-wl5we Před rokem +8

    Plato's Ideal State summary can't be better described as this. Highly appreciate your work!

  • @dugonman8360
    @dugonman8360 Před 10 měsíci +7

    The idea that democracy=good is simply a modern way of thinking. Throughout history democracy has been overall reviled until the 20th, even the founding fathers of the american revolution openly disliking it and making as many failsafes in their republican model so as to not fail.
    Im highly critical of democracy overall, thinking its a system utilized by sociopaths and con artists to amass power, yet I do think it does work in smaller scaled areas. A city tends to be as big as you'd want a democracy to be. A country of 5 million is too big to be ran democratically, 50 million impossible and any larger just a futile endeavor.
    Even with the hypothetical scenario that if all citizens were equally edicated on the subjects is impossible as well as the fact that I find it personally unethical to force that onto a population.

  • @lesliegreenhill2389
    @lesliegreenhill2389 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Plato: a giant among men. A human that contributed thoughtful ideas to the world.

  • @jennyreyes3363
    @jennyreyes3363 Před 3 lety +17

    Very awesome video! I'm surprised how litttle people have watched this. Keep up with the great work!

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 3 lety

      For sure! Glad you enjoyed it. Spread the word if you may 🙌💯

  • @saultonymedel5452
    @saultonymedel5452 Před 2 lety +17

    Thank you for this video. I am using this as my reference for my upcoming thesis proposal. My topic is about the problem of democratic form of government.

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 2 lety +1

      Glad this was of help to you! Hope your proposal went/goes well 🙌

    • @jakeholder1
      @jakeholder1 Před 2 lety

      Thus video is shit .... the video below explains WHY democracy does not work and Machiavelli's Discourse on Livy explains WHY a Republic works better than Democracy.
      czcams.com/video/fLJBzhcSWTk/video.html

    • @martino8114
      @martino8114 Před rokem

      Eccellente choice of topic Saul! Too many people know not what they speak of when using the word democracy and the understanding of the democratic government system

  • @ericsmith1801
    @ericsmith1801 Před 2 lety +15

    Plato also believed that philosophers should also rule countries because of their wisdom.

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 2 lety +1

      Sure did!

    • @zaberfang
      @zaberfang Před 2 lety +3

      And he was right.

    • @pragyanr.c9477
      @pragyanr.c9477 Před 2 lety +1

      Modi is a philosopher and he's doing good so far. Not bad.

    • @robintheundeaddevil
      @robintheundeaddevil Před 2 lety +2

      @@pragyanr.c9477 yea but the party he's affiliated with is not good. They have hundreds of leaders "who haven't overcome personal greed", "who don't care about universal education", and are discriminatory. 9:27

    • @easylife6348
      @easylife6348 Před rokem +1

      That’s the same thing I was thinking about for years, I guess me and Plato have the same mindset

  • @jesserodriguez8116
    @jesserodriguez8116 Před rokem +16

    “Democracy is born from Tyranny.”
    -Plato

    • @BobHaijerJr
      @BobHaijerJr Před 3 měsíci

      No I think his version from republic states tyranny is born from democracy. Demagoguery creates an environment for a dictator to take power

  • @AussieTVMusic
    @AussieTVMusic Před rokem +4

    None of these ideas are idealistic. We should be striving for this worldwide.

  • @gpl4908
    @gpl4908 Před 3 lety +24

    Thank you ! I have a prsentation for my Frwnch class and I have to defend why demcoracy is wrong

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 3 lety +5

      I hope this was of help to you. Most greek philosophers (the likes of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle) had some good arguments against democracy. Maybe a quick search could help you here. Regardless, have a great presentation 🙌

    • @gpl4908
      @gpl4908 Před 3 lety +2

      @@TheLifeAcademySN thanks !

    • @curiousworm1632
      @curiousworm1632 Před 3 lety +6

      I am an indian. And democracy sucks here. To take any decision , it takes 50 years here. You can take decision only when there is a majority party. Decision making process is always hindered by opposition for the sake of appeasement of their vote banks. Communist china has lifted 300 millions people out of poverty. India has pushed 100 millions into poverty. Only idiots become leaders in democracy. An average person has idea about country economy, foreign policy, etc. They votes on the basis of emotions and appeasement. Plato has said more about this

    • @curiousworm1632
      @curiousworm1632 Před 3 lety

      @@MrKeyman2002 if you can write anything means you will write anything. Why are you are being a proponent of democracy, when dont anything about it. America adopted democracy when whole world was in turmoil. It has became formidable way before others. In today's time, especially for developing countries, democracy is not best option rather slowest option. Mixed democracy or technocracy is better than sole democracy.

    • @curiousworm1632
      @curiousworm1632 Před 3 lety

      @@MrKeyman2002 i am against sole democracy

  • @dr.devarajv.raichur2860
    @dr.devarajv.raichur2860 Před 3 lety +6

    Thank you for the excellent work!
    Lucid explanation & lovely graphics!!

  • @nilaa5841
    @nilaa5841 Před 3 lety +20

    "One of the biggest blessings of human existence is that we can use the gift of imagination to think of a better world" ✨
    ‌Heyy Tanmay, I'm glad to see you're back!! 😊 Plato was indeed a wise man and I find it so fascinating that even after more than 2000 years, his words are still of value. Democracy definitely has its flaws, so thank you for making a video about it. Keep going!! 💛

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 3 lety +3

      You're most certainly right! Thank you for the taking the time to watch 🙌💙

  • @stevencooke6451
    @stevencooke6451 Před rokem +3

    It almost makes you want to cry to imagine this sort of world. You look at the US, one of the world's foremost democracies, and the one that certainly gets the most scrutiny, and see how all of these failings have, not necessarily ruined it, but made governance inefficient and corrupt. Such that the needs of the very very few seem to always outweigh those of the masses.

  • @AlmostEthical
    @AlmostEthical Před 10 měsíci +4

    We have enough trouble agreeing on educational syllabuses let alone entry standards for politicians.
    Today we can't set standards for politicians because those very standards can, and would, be manipulated towards particular ideologies. Imagine the intense differences of opinion in deciding whether a person has performed "well" in a lower office or not.

  • @galaxymetta5974
    @galaxymetta5974 Před 8 měsíci +1

    The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voters.
    Winston Churchill.

  • @wasteblanks
    @wasteblanks Před 3 lety +5

    Thank you. Very well explained with great illustrations.

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 3 lety

      Glad this video was of use to you. Thank you for taking the time to respond 🙌

  • @Platochidi
    @Platochidi Před rokem +1

    Long live the republic my 86 brothers! Long live virtue! Freedom! Long live love!

  • @BlackCatAlley23
    @BlackCatAlley23 Před 7 měsíci +2

    It is haunting how spot on Pluto was about this. This is happening in the American government right now.

    • @mottthehoople693
      @mottthehoople693 Před 7 měsíci

      lol what a stupid comment....the only time american government goes off the rails is when the republikaans are in government....

  • @neileddinger6863
    @neileddinger6863 Před 6 měsíci +2

    The reason why democracy is failing in the Unite States is because the electorate is no longer educated. Democracy is only the best system when the voters are educated and capable of critical thinking. I''m not sure logic, civics and history are seriously taught in school anymore; hence, the decline of democracy. Recently, I heard a young person disparage democracy as "the dictatorship of the majority." That's probably something he heard and that was all he knew about it. That is why I am pessimistic about the future of this country.

  • @claraudensi5023
    @claraudensi5023 Před 5 měsíci

    Really democracy doesn't work anymore. You are indeed a great philosopher

    • @Lukeor
      @Lukeor Před 5 měsíci

      Wealthy countries always develop into people who would rather vote for a living than work for one. You can never become a rich and powerful nation without the great equalizer of politicians and their hoards of uneducated voters who come to take it over.

  • @amanxojha
    @amanxojha Před 5 měsíci

    Best argument against democracy is the comment section of every video possible.

  • @shreyashraj2048
    @shreyashraj2048 Před 3 lety +2

    Welcome back bro🤗

  • @blackratinn
    @blackratinn Před měsícem +1

    Socrates was right. We need a high academic bady which independently tests and evaluates all candidates for presidency. They should be tested on cognitive skills, critical thinking, humanities education, philosophy, and science education. Without these prerequisites NO ONE should be allowed to run for a chance at ruling the nation. Too much is at stake

  • @snibber
    @snibber Před 5 měsíci +1

    Mexicos's president amlo, is the proof of how plato was right.

  • @spiritualhumanist
    @spiritualhumanist Před rokem +1

    Reason number 2 explains everything.

  • @Motivonics
    @Motivonics Před 9 měsíci

    Wow, still relevant today. That guy was a genius.

  • @Hana-ur5lb
    @Hana-ur5lb Před 2 lety +2

    I absolutely agree with Plato

  • @geogeo1261
    @geogeo1261 Před 7 měsíci

    One must follow this video for two reasons. The first reason is to see if worth for someone to loose some time to see it. For sure, that is excellent and very useful for many people. Then, one should check the comments and see how it affects to different people. Well, for some is very useful. For some others, seems that you can not teach someone something that he thinks he knows it already.

  • @snalemsnolek1539
    @snalemsnolek1539 Před 2 lety +8

    The Core of the problem is the lack of common Interpretation of life. You have the materialists who believe that materia is everything there is and who don’t accept or even tolerate a beyond. Then you have plenty of people who don’t even care about the existence or absence of any meaning, who numb them selfes with material goods and constant entertainment. And you have the various different spiritual outlooks who hope in an afterlife, Act according to their revelation or codex or act as complete hipocrites. Now, only the fact that you, as an individual, are every day confronted with completely different outlooks on what life actually is, wears your System down and creates a constant or even evergrowing anger towards society. This will increase over decades to come. You are mocking the religious wars in Europe in the 17th century where fundamental views collided with each other. Then have a look at what hysteria we are heading towards: Aggression between black and white, car drivers vs bycicle drivers, animal lovers vs meat eaters, heterosexuals vs homosexuals, trans people vs everybody, left vs right (without the people actually knowing where the terms come from and what they mean). What they call progressive Society will slowly cannibalize itself, and. It will hurt. These things were recognized by Platon over 2000 years ago, even when democracy was not yet liberal and was restricted to a handfull of men with similar lifestyle, similar believes and probably way more resilience than modern men

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 2 lety

      That is an interesting perspective. Thanks a lot for sharing! 🙌

    • @zaberfang
      @zaberfang Před 2 lety

      IF people are smart enough, there wouldn't be an actual rift when it comes to preferences, unfortunately people let emotions run their actions and speech over logic and common sense.

    • @snalemsnolek1539
      @snalemsnolek1539 Před 2 lety

      @@zaberfang yes, because they are emotional beings. Reasoning is good but of people get the slightest idea of getting treated unjustly they breed hatred. Not over a day, a week, or even a year. But If this goes over years and even decades…

    • @adramalech3385
      @adramalech3385 Před 10 měsíci

      Well, the natural state of humans is based on conflict.

  • @makinapacal
    @makinapacal Před rokem +5

    Plato`s "solution" to the problems of Democracy was Autocratic Rule by those who "Know". That those who have the true philosophical knowledge of how things really are. The ideal result for Plato would be a rigid, stultifiling autocracy that was ideally nearly totally unchanging because of Plato's almost pathological hatred of change.
    Thus Plato's idea of an ideal society was one in which an Elite ruled with near absolute power over people, in which dissent was crushed and everything was static. Thus in the Republic we have the "Noble Lies" told by the Elite to justify their autocratic rule and "Justice" is everyone doing what they are best fitted for has determined by this Elite and "Justice" has fair treatment is not even considered. And of course Plato's idea that "unequals" being treated has "equals" is unjust is little more than a thinly veiled appeal to the notion that certain people are entitled to more power and priviliges than others including the right to treat others badly.
    In Plato's dialogue The Statesman we have an unapologetic celebration of the idea of the Autocrat not bounded by Law with a bogus philisophical justification.
    In Plato's Laws we have censorship, sealing society has much has possible from outside influence, thought control and in the Nocturnal Council an inquisition. Plato's solution to the problems of democracy was autocracy and what would amount to coercion, tyranny and terror.
    Plato's deep dislike of Democracy was born quite simply out of disgust at the idea that the "unwashed", the "Mob" etc., would hve any say in governing themselves when that "right" belonged in Plato's eyes i nthe hands of a sdmall oligarchic Elite. Then given Plato's Aristocratic background this was a natural belief. Like so many of the Athenian Upper Class Oligarchic sympathizers he believed the Elite, (Meaning others like them.), deserved to rule and like them the masses shouls be obedient to their "betters". Plato was basically a philosophical snob.
    During his lifetime oligarchic attempts were made to destroy the Athenian Democracy most horribly during the period of the so-called Thirty Tyrants in which Thousands of Athenian Citizens and others were murdered by the tyrants. Among them was the man Critias a relative of Plato who was apparantly the most vicious of the lot and a pupil of Socrates like Plato. In his Dialogues Plato has Critias appear has one of his characters and gives him a positive spin. It appears that for Plato the death of Socrates forever marred and damned Athenian Democracy but the various bloody Oligarchic coups and bloody rule did not taint Oligarchic rule by those who like Critias "knew".
    I have little doubt that any attempt by Plato to impose his solutions on Athens or any where else would have resulted in mass atrocity.

  • @onetruekeeper
    @onetruekeeper Před 5 měsíci

    A nation needs a volunteer army to protect itself from outside threats while it remains an anarchy on the inside since all governments eventually fail.

  • @Diaplek49
    @Diaplek49 Před 21 dnem

    The real question is, in this day and age how do we have a stable gov that isn’t too big and can stamp out corruption?

  • @nocturneuh
    @nocturneuh Před rokem

    Great video! Thank you 🙏 subscribed

  • @TheLastRockNRollerAlive
    @TheLastRockNRollerAlive Před 5 měsíci

    A few people who aren’t very smart collect all the money at the expense of the citizens lives. It’s a chosen act of neglecting the population. You said it right, keeping power and money.

  • @lolitaboykins306
    @lolitaboykins306 Před 2 lety +2

    How can we move forward according to Plato. Racism, fascism, separation wit in a multicultural society. When they keep society divided. Now humanity is living in a world of uncertainty

    • @mattllaves
      @mattllaves Před 2 lety

      As a Brazilian, i'm pretty sure things are way more chaotic here than they are in swaziland, bhutan, finland or iceland. Freedom of association is not a bad thing.

    • @thinginground5179
      @thinginground5179 Před 2 lety +1

      No, you're obviously just putting words into his mouth aren't you.

  • @DeanNatheos-eq3hl
    @DeanNatheos-eq3hl Před 2 měsíci

    PLATO FOR PRESIDENT he's right they should have some education or time in the political arena before they run for government some experience thank you for the excellent video and have a good evening 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.

  • @everydaycatholic8030
    @everydaycatholic8030 Před 2 lety +1

    I enjoyed this, I may have to delve into philosophy it seems so interesting.

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 2 lety +1

      Please do! Best wishes for your philosophical journey! 🙌

  • @AHMATTIDJANISALIM
    @AHMATTIDJANISALIM Před 3 lety +1

    thank you for this great video

  • @user-ye7nq2ui1g
    @user-ye7nq2ui1g Před 3 měsíci

    All Plato, is saying, as far as I'm concerned, is to "put only people who aren't corrupt, in positions of power. Which, actually, strikes me as a bit naively lame for such a highly intelligent man. He doesn't give enough safe-guards to account for the flaws, he obviously is aware of, in human nature. Most notably, "corruption." 😎🇺🇸

  • @mbaqcytvav
    @mbaqcytvav Před 3 měsíci

    As long as we live in a service to self world, society wil experience chaos. Only in a service to others world can there be fairness and justice.

  • @RockawayBeachNY
    @RockawayBeachNY Před 4 měsíci

    Govt should not be involved in redistribution.

  • @mikexhotmail
    @mikexhotmail Před rokem +8

    China surely uses Plato's method. Only the leader (with specific knowledge) who already proved their ability on local area will allow to move up.

  • @O-Kyklop
    @O-Kyklop Před 10 měsíci +2

    Democracy is the power of the Demos. The Demos in the ancient Greek City States had about 10 to 15000 citizens. There is no Demos with millions of citizens. This is a fairy tale.
    To understand how Democracy works and capitalism, stick to the Spartans and learn.(best before the Ephors took over power)

  • @markmarsh27
    @markmarsh27 Před 11 měsíci

    Your commentary is brilliant and the work you're doing is vitally important. If humans don't soon figure out why our so-called 'Civilization' has utterly failed and design a new post-political Governance System for everyone, it will collapse and disappear. Thank you, looking forward to more.

  • @hansfrankfurter2903
    @hansfrankfurter2903 Před 10 měsíci

    Name of piano piece please?
    Thanks for the great insightful vid btw

  • @acjfiddler
    @acjfiddler Před 7 měsíci

    As long as we are required or insist that we live together in communities called towns and cities where it is beneficial to pool resources like land, water, food, shelter and labour; governance (agreements/disagreements) is inevitable. Two individuals can agree, share and rely most of the time. Three or more individuals will need some form of governance (rules). Those who can never agree; well just look around. As a species, we have not evolved where we recognize and respect boundaries. We still want to move in this world as if there are no consequences to complete freedom to exploit, manipulate, coerce, steal and expunge an unhealthy need to worship at our own feet.

  • @veryniceindeed
    @veryniceindeed Před 3 měsíci +2

    Democracy doesn't work because two idiots will always outvote one smart person.

  • @ShamanKish
    @ShamanKish Před 6 měsíci

    We see chaos growing right out of governments.

  • @atilathesonofdanubius4277
    @atilathesonofdanubius4277 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Well! History repeats itself. They obviously had Trumpers back then too. I totally agree with Socrates then plato that you cannot let ignorance dictate who gets elected, it's recipe for disaster. Either limit who votes or prepare your population with a better education system.

  • @Pavlosarvanitidis
    @Pavlosarvanitidis Před 2 lety

    Where did you find that great quote at the end?

  • @brianmarshall1637
    @brianmarshall1637 Před rokem

    British democracy has evolved in a two party state that apart from the odd coalition have run the country for over a hundred years,that is to mean Tory and labour.

  • @EricAwful313
    @EricAwful313 Před rokem

    I find none of the ideals you've mentioned here unreasonable therefore none of them are overly idealistic or un realistic. Can we possibly function as a society if we are in any way unable to cope with reason and reality?

  • @lyhs0219
    @lyhs0219 Před rokem

    What kind of system should be have?

  • @nick-ul6sw
    @nick-ul6sw Před 2 lety

    Really good video.

  • @RootlessNZ
    @RootlessNZ Před 5 měsíci

    What form of government does work? Someone tell me that! Anyway the video confuses democracy with rights. Democracy as we know it is a system by means of which a government is elected. Rights are an innovation of liberalism - equal opportunity, freedom of movement, freedom of the press, free speech etc. Hence the term liberal democracy, so different from the Athenian democracy of ancient times.

  • @micmo6640
    @micmo6640 Před 5 měsíci

    Send in the Mandarins!

  • @sethother8012
    @sethother8012 Před 9 měsíci

    Right now, Justin Trudeau’s hair is ruling Canada.

  • @grvrathi309
    @grvrathi309 Před 11 měsíci

    My perception: Plato was not against Democracy but against Sub-optimal democracy which is Partial, Partisian and Political. Merit based and Rational rule is desirable be it any form of Government.
    Democracy doesnt guarantee Growth. ( example African Nations)
    Growth is not only limited to Democratic countries ( Ex. China model although it is facing difficulties now OR Middle eastern countries like UAE).

  • @jayejaycurry5485
    @jayejaycurry5485 Před 5 měsíci

    Which democracy? There's more than one form.

  • @JoeyJoJoJrShabbado
    @JoeyJoJoJrShabbado Před rokem

    Who will build the roads? Literally the same people

  • @eduardoneto5455
    @eduardoneto5455 Před 3 měsíci

    Your accent is like an Indian Christopher Walken

  • @phoenixhall4320
    @phoenixhall4320 Před 6 měsíci +1

    If we did not have government human kind would never extend beyond Tribes and small groups. For no two groups will have a similar point of view and would only work together when survival demands it. Then when things are going well conflict starts up again.
    Government is essential to a nation or state to survive beyond survival situations

  • @Bob-m6u
    @Bob-m6u Před dnem

    Thats a misleading title.

  • @claudiamanta1943
    @claudiamanta1943 Před 3 měsíci

    Plato was an idealist. It does not work. Even if you find a wise leader (and nobody is that wise), he/she would not be able to implement the good ideas.
    Power corrupts, so even if somebody entered an office with good intentions, he/she rather quickly becomes corrupt.
    There are good individuals in the world. But once they start to aggregate in groups they revert to being just animals. Read about the psychology of the masses.
    It is just impossible. But it’s a nice dream to strive towards.
    May you succeed where others failed.

  • @EdgarRoock
    @EdgarRoock Před 7 měsíci

    I don't follow. Plato realizes that politicians should focus on their profession instead of their gain. Okay. And the proposed solution is providing everyone with equal opportunity to education to raise the best suited individuals into power? Something is missing here. If corruption is a psychological problem with people having too much power, wouldn't it affect all candidates the same way regardless of their educational qualification? This seems like wishful thinking.

  • @Lambert7785
    @Lambert7785 Před 6 měsíci

    why have we delayed in taking up these sober checks and balances?

  • @IDrone-zk2lt
    @IDrone-zk2lt Před 3 měsíci

    Because liberal democracies accepts the riff-raf off the streets, sometimes even after they have served 20 years in prison and obtained a degree through self-education, it permits them to compete with the sophisticated and articulate products of human nurture who ought to be making the decisions in the first place.

  • @michaelhulcy6680
    @michaelhulcy6680 Před 2 lety +2

    I think Michael Malice might have some words to say about the beginning. Pfffft, central authority corruption is necessary. HA! I'm going classic anarchist and leftist here, burn it all down.
    Plato reasoned some things correctly, but listen to what Ayn Rand recommended. Learn about Aristotle.

    • @MrHardeep95
      @MrHardeep95 Před 2 lety

      I believe you may be confused if you’re calling yourself a leftist and then recommending Ayn Rand shortly afterwards. Ayn Rand has been described as “the ultimate gateway drug to the right” by Historian Jennifer Burns. Ayn Rand pushes neo-liberal ideas which are centre-right at best, you could call her an-cap

    • @michaelhulcy6680
      @michaelhulcy6680 Před 2 lety

      @@MrHardeep95 listen to some Michael Malice or read Anarchist Handbook. Antifa is an example, according to Michael Malice, of classical anarchist thought. Socialism and anarchism were very similar in thought in the 1800s or when it kinda started being spread about beyond one or two people. At least the Anarcho socialist types.
      And Ayn Rand ain't a anarchist. She thought anarchism was quite infantile, or at least in denial of the need, even minute, of some central authority to not command and control but to be more like a referee.
      Ayn Rand hates conservatives. The same reasons reasonable people and leftists do too. All their faults. They have a strong ass tendency to not want to change in any god damn way. And they'll resort to dominance to get you to follow. Reasoning is off the table. Really though, conservatives and modern day liberals have a lot in common. They tap into the same impulses or instincts. The conservatives just don't have enough support cause their reputation has been ruined over the centuries, so they've lost their balls.
      But we all got left and right in us. That's why I said the leftist in me.

  • @starkilr101
    @starkilr101 Před 3 lety +2

    As much as I admire Plato’s passion for ideas, I’ll stick with Socrates thanks

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 3 lety +7

      Technically, we don't know anything about the real Socrates. He didn't leave behind any written works of his own and thus, all we know of him is through the lens of his supporters/critics. An example of that is Plato, a student of Socrates. Plato presented many ideas of his own through the character of Socrates that he used in his works but in the present day you can easily find these ideas attributed to Socrates. So to believe our perspective of Socrates is correct, we'd have to assume that anybody that knew Socrates and has written about him, Plato being one of them, is telling the truth and being accurate in their description.

    • @TheFirstGoomba
      @TheFirstGoomba Před rokem

      @@TheLifeAcademySN Neither did Jesus.

  • @Accept_Any_Bribe
    @Accept_Any_Bribe Před 5 měsíci

    Someone who thinks we don't need governance is definitely an airhead

  • @lisalove6327
    @lisalove6327 Před rokem

    We are Easily exploited

  • @rev.stephena.cakouros948
    @rev.stephena.cakouros948 Před 6 měsíci

    Plato hated democracy because it meant that my opinion was as valid as his o his fellow elitists.

  • @tommygunzz8117
    @tommygunzz8117 Před rokem +1

    Democracy is idiocracy.

  • @LMOTO3130
    @LMOTO3130 Před 9 měsíci

    The United States doesn't live in a democracy. Are we not a constitutional republic? So why does this video imply that we do?

  • @marcusdavenport1590
    @marcusdavenport1590 Před 2 lety +3

    Redistribution is one of the key reasons democracy fails.

  • @mattskionet
    @mattskionet Před 3 měsíci +1

    Hooray for Dictatorships!!

  • @EricPham-ui6bt
    @EricPham-ui6bt Před rokem

    Don't you think that natural laws was a good enough? Human self important making laws that demeaning human. If natural laws was as bad as human laws then human can not be this advance

  • @clarkw.griswold5866
    @clarkw.griswold5866 Před 5 měsíci

    Trudeau is perfect example.

  • @OvercookedOctopusFeet
    @OvercookedOctopusFeet Před rokem +2

    Plato's argument against a democratic system is born from his support in an autocratic system and autocracy can only be born with force. Plato was not a humanitarian, he was an elitist autocrat.

    • @martino8114
      @martino8114 Před rokem +1

      🙄🙄🙄

    • @MinisterRedPill
      @MinisterRedPill Před 9 měsíci

      Being a humanist isn't any better. The decline of the West is proof of this. Seeing as how "humanist" always put "science" over everything else, knowing the principles thereof are just as faulty and imperfect as any other system that exists.

  • @jimolson9649
    @jimolson9649 Před 2 lety +1

    The current democracy is operating under military contract law not federal constitutional law.

    • @jakeholder1
      @jakeholder1 Před 2 lety

      The USA is NOT a democracy! We are a Republic! Read Machiavelli's Discourse on Livy

  • @mazkebar
    @mazkebar Před rokem +1

    These are ALL copied from Socrates though!

  • @mozartsbumbumsrus7750

    Plato confirms why he supports democracy not opposes it.

  • @JeDxDeVu
    @JeDxDeVu Před 2 lety +74

    We don't need governments. That's your first error. Why should I be ruled by people I share nothing in common with, simply because we live on the same piece of land. Its nonsensical.

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 2 lety +16

      Disagreement is welcome! So, what's my second error?

    • @JeDxDeVu
      @JeDxDeVu Před 2 lety +3

      @@TheLifeAcademySN No second error.

    • @thinginground5179
      @thinginground5179 Před 2 lety +19

      @@JeDxDeVu Then why was there a first?

    • @baishihua
      @baishihua Před 2 lety +43

      Because a group of people living together would inevitably lead to some form of administration to run things smoothly, otherwise who would regulate price value when you trade with someone else? Who would organise defenses against other groups of people from other lands? If you trespass or kill someone, who is going to hold you accountable? As well as many other things. The state of no government can only work if you live alone, otherwise it is inevitable.

    • @JeDxDeVu
      @JeDxDeVu Před 2 lety +7

      @@baishihua Who would school your children, who would provide food and clothing, who would provide insurances of any kind or health care, who would take care of agriculture, who would take care of recycling. All of these services are provided by private institutions. In countries like South Africa, people rely on private security even low and middle income people for safety. The goverment is not necessary for ever facet of human society and cooperation. They're slow, expensive and unaccountable.

  • @stellacheng6023
    @stellacheng6023 Před 29 dny

    Meritocracy? Sounds like the Chinese Imperial Exams...maybe they lasted over 5000 years because of this. No WOKE need apply.😅

  • @R08R
    @R08R Před rokem

    Democracy is just a glorified word.
    Every system of governance is the same.
    They decide for you wether it or doesn't benefits you.

  • @michaelphillips4452
    @michaelphillips4452 Před rokem

    It can be whittled down to Trump.

  • @martino8114
    @martino8114 Před rokem

    Plato’s teachings on this subject is actually Socrates’ wisdom you should look up his views and teachings on this tooic

  • @NetajiSubhash265
    @NetajiSubhash265 Před 2 lety +4

    China is fine example of ideal form of government according to plato.

    • @lyhs0219
      @lyhs0219 Před rokem +1

      You mean freezing your bank account without letting you know why??

    • @georgepresley5120
      @georgepresley5120 Před rokem +1

      China is well governed after all. I have seen this democracy in Africa where merit is the last thing people consider when voting for president- in Africa it's all about tribe

  • @williamfotiou7577
    @williamfotiou7577 Před 8 měsíci

    Yeah, easily exploitable, aka Americans.

  • @jakeholder1
    @jakeholder1 Před 2 lety

    Terrible video! It DOES NOT explain Why democracy doesn't work. It just cries for more equality.

    • @TheLifeAcademySN
      @TheLifeAcademySN  Před 2 lety +1

      Oh well! Let's see 🤔The total running length of the video is 10 minutes and 19 seconds. The 'equality' stuff is less than a minute. I wouldn't necessarily call that "crying for equality".

    • @jakeholder1
      @jakeholder1 Před 2 lety

      @@TheLifeAcademySN it's the last part people remember the most. The "equality" crap does NOT support argument that excessive Democracy leads to tryanny. Last part sounds like liberals promoting "equality" to make Democracy work. NOT!

  • @sivakami733
    @sivakami733 Před rokem

    Plato's view of demcracy is applicable only to a State which has one religion one culture and oneclass.Inclusive democracy of multi lingual cultural and castes is the only form of democracy ,is the need of present time , for the development of humanity.

    • @martino8114
      @martino8114 Před rokem

      It will become just as it is a tyranny and then to communism

  • @tommygunzz8117
    @tommygunzz8117 Před rokem +1

    Good government is an oxymoron 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @behzadutube
    @behzadutube Před měsícem

    Not helpful for the modern world at all. At the time of Plato, one would learn all the knowledge available to humans in 5 years or so with á handfull of long-bearded tutors (that is what all princes and kings in waiting used to do, plus learning to fight)...that is what he means when he says they should be trained for the job. Today, no single person can be "trained for the job", and we need to rely on a large body of advisors and technocrats and think-thanks and so on....and politicians are there to decide about what cannot be answered from a book. For example, experts tell us if we build a housing project near the subway station it will be good for the economy of the neighborhood, but if building that project requires demolishing a park, then whether we should do it or not is not a type of question you can find a scietifically trained expert for. This is now the realm of politics.

  • @suckmemore
    @suckmemore Před 6 měsíci

    maybe just one step away from mobocracy? ha................

  • @GaryG63
    @GaryG63 Před 3 měsíci

    You need to pass an exam before voting and at least try and stem the flow of stupidity

  • @0pTicaL
    @0pTicaL Před 7 měsíci +2

    Yet Americans believe in Democracy so blindly and numbingly…

    • @bsdnmd
      @bsdnmd Před měsícem

      A lot of us understand to neverunderestimate the power of millions of people united for a stupid idea.