1000+NM 1HD-FTE 8 SPEED AUTO SWAP TOYOTA 100 SERIES
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- čas přidán 23. 12. 2023
- 1000+NM 1HD-FTE 8 SPEED AUTO SWAP TOYOTA 100 SERIES
Some behind the scenes on our development for intergrating the TurboLamik TCU to work with the 1HD-FTE. Its taken a bit longer than antcipated but we have a really nice solution to getting an 8 speed behind one of these now.
Let us know what you think in the comments below.
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1HD-FTE + ZF-8 speed seems like a match made in heaven.
Awesome news, have been waiting patiently for news on the 1HD conversion. Picked up a BMW 8HP70X and Shifter 6 months ago in preparation for 80 Series 8HP swap. Happy to hear your focus to DIY install for this kit. Keep up the good work. Edit: Also looking forward to some fit up B roll on the next one for engine / flex plate and transfer adapters. Was able find a FTE flex plate assembly for nix.
Doing gods work! No need for crawler gears, changing diff ratios or oem converter lockup kits with an 8HP. Heaps of value in the conversion. This will be phenomenal behind a 2UZ but with manual ECUs pretty much non existent would likely need to go aftermarket. keep up the good work!
I think it makes a boatload of sense this conversion.
This is on my list. Doing the basics of my 1hd-fte 105 project build, looking to put the ZF8 into it as stage 2 so really interested in your progression with this kit.
This is very excellent, my doner vehicle for my FTE conversion is a manual... that has worked out quite well!
Cool video mate
Yes this is awesome what we waiting for I have a plan with Barra 8hp70 in 105 thanks ray 😅
That’s almost an easy one….. would be sick
It’s a Christmas miracle!
One of these behind a 1hdft 80 series would be nice
Fantastic!! 👌
The 1hd-fte has a huge torque surge from 1700-2400rpm. It would be amazing to drive with the 8speed.
Next kit for you guys is to do the controller and Integration for the 78/79 series with the 1hd-fte. Shouldn’t be too difficult, more simple ecu and only available as a manual OEM.
Love your work! 👍
A lot of the torque configuration done on this setup will transfer over to the 78/79 version. We’ll be ready sooner than later on that one.
What about a 1HZ there is no ECU
fuck how good would that be @@phalanx3803
@@phalanx3803 , Had a similar query asked a different way. From the feedback it looks like for a manual injection 1HZ, 1HD is provide an "Accurate" Engine RPM or Crank Signal input to the TCU. BTW I would not consider the field winding from the Alternator as accurate or reliable.
Very very very cool
how would you get one of these working with a fully mechanical/OB1 vehicle? Like a 1hdt for example
Love the video! I’m obsessed with this engine now so I’m a complete sloot for Toyotas.
Are you familiar with the 90s hiace? Can that engine fit in it?
1000nm of torque being put through a 8 speed smoothly and reliably in impressive work fellas! considering it was never intended for that vehicle. #8speedtheworld 😂
Thank you very much!
Amazed the patrols and land cruisers are so popular in England and down under
So am I!!!! Don’t get me wrong great cars. But they are worth so much money at the moment. Pretty crazy for basically a workhorse of a vehicle to just start going up in value.
One day I will have one of these in my HDJ100.
Would love to see how this would go in low range. Also have u done this on a 2uz yet?
I'd truly appreciate if you can make a driving video of this truck with some camera on the speedo to understand the engine load (RPMs) on highway cruising.
Hey Andrew, currently planning one for my own car. Based on the instrument cluster I suspect the one you worked on this used to be a 5 speed auto A750F which has the transmission ecu integrated into the engine ecu. The early 4 speeds auto's runs a separate transmission ecu . Would that be easier to setup?
Possibly! But not something I have looked in to. I did come across a transmission emulator today. Trying to get some more info on it.
@@ZeroTo60Tube That would make the later A750F cars become easier to swap. Splendid will be inquiring about the kit soon
The zf 8 speed is by far the best automatic trans in the world. I feel as if almost every manufacturer should use them. Wish they put it in the new Land Cruiser with the 5.7.
When it's sorted and you guys have a kit together(end of jan?) I'm keen as hell to get my order in.
We are not going to do a full kit. But offer things like engine to trans adapter. Trans to transfer case adapter and a tcu package with tuning and setup all done.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Easy mate. I'll Keep an eye out :)
Would running a trans cooler in series with the radiator help the trans temps? I’ve routed the lines in my cruiser so they run through the external cooler then through the radiator in the hope the oil heats up quickly.
It would. Maybe…. We haven’t tested both. Oem application they only run the heat exchanger. This engine makes so little heat on the highway, the air to air may still be too much for the coolant heat exchanger anyway.
One of these behind an om606 in a patrol would be mint.
A customer over in WA is getting his dialled in at the moment.
@@ZeroTo60Tube is it possible to get the transfer adapter on its own and the turbo lamik?
@@ZeroTo60TubeSam and Nick? I’m talking to them at the minute for my FTE converted GU patrol
Hey mate what wheels and tyres is this running?
I’m building a turbocharged 1uzfe in a 3rd gen 4runner (surf). Really considering a ZF8 since there are good adapters out there. But struggling with determining how to get a manual shift transfer case that works and drops on the left side. Any ideas?
There’s nothing on the market for that transfer side….. yet.
If you don’t need low range,
I’d be tempted to use the 6hp28 x5 tracer case. The turbo lamik can actually control that case and it will bolt to the 8hp70. And drops to the left side.
I have a 1KD manual and want to do an auto conversion. Do you guys plan to make a kit for them as well?
Had a customer complete a 1kd this month. Car is working well. Once he has a few more k’s on the setup he will share more information
On how he did it.
What’s a good normal operating temp for the transmission? Also what are the negative effects of cold oil?
Around 70-80 is a great temp to really lean or abuse a 8hp. For normal use anything under 110 is fine.
Cold oil or variation in temp leads to inconsistent clutch bite, which makes it harder for the controller to maintain a smooth feel.
Do you have any options for the 200 series? Not happy with my 6sp. It needs more gears, lock up point and shaft patterns.
Not yet..... however its coming. There are a few places that can rewrite the 200 series ECU to work with our TCU, we just dont have the ability ourselves. The annoying thing, that service alone may be $3-5k.... its very specialist work.
Hi mate, Happy New Year from sunny Scotland. I own both a N54 335i and a 2003 5.3 Silverado and would like 8HP70/75 one of them. Now I know it would work in the E92, but it's the truck im wondering about. It's currently got a big cam fitted, which requires a 2800rpm converter. How would this work with the 8HP? Any info would be awesome and greatly appreciated.
The converter in the 8hp is electronically assisted. You will be able to spin even the diesel converters to over 3500rpm on the transbrake for launches. For normal driving you will want the converter to lock up alot earlier than 2800rpm. The brillaint thing about the turbo lamik is being able to program all the conditions and points for converter lock up. In short, it wont be a problem.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Thanks for the reply mate, Beytek put me on to a 8hp for my N54 drag car and then I discovered this page (which is amazing). So I could basically find the earliest lock up point for the truck that doesn't cause issues with the big cam? I watched one of your videos on driving with a loose converter and you're 100% right. Makes a lot of noise and you're not really going anywhere, not all that enjoyable to street
you should maybe look into a DID1 ecu
So i've got a tb48 looking at using fusion fabs adapters and your turbo lamik kit. whats the rough total i should be expecting from start to finsh for doing a 8hp75 conversion so i can have a rough budget. Cheers (most stuff done at home)
I think you need to allow $20-$25k all up. And I mean every thing done interior etc, final touches over a 6 months period…. That’s doing everything yourself that’s possible.
@@ZeroTo60Tubeawesome cheers
For the Turbolamik base map setup on FTE what signalling did you end using from the ECU? No ECU in my 80 Series so will need to look how to supply required TCU inputs.
We used the fuel pump rpm signal with specific filtering values. But you will will simply need some sort of RPM or crank signal. However that needs to be accurate.
@@ZeroTo60Tube , Thanks for the reply.. Wow is that all, was expecting more. Was contemplating fitting a Hall Effect CAS in the engine adapter running from the flex-plate ring-gear assuming there is enough space. Edit: Just for pulse source for Tacho.
I see TOYOTA 1HD-FT, FTE TO BMW 8HP ADAPTER KIT thickness is noted as 57mm so there should be enough room to fit a Hall-Effect Sensor for use with 1HDT (and 1HZ-T) maybe worth considering adding prevision in adapter design for an common easy to find CAS module that can be used by Lamik TCU.
Have you only tried the setup for only a g turbo ecu controller? A lot have a unichip (myself included) would this kit work with a unichip? Just wondering how you go with shifting, can you make the ecu drop power for the shift. Or does the 8 speed not need the throttle drop on gear changes to protect the gearbox?
We need to know what the engine is doing. So the unichip or GTurbo makes no difference. We connect to sensors on the motor itself.
Torque reduction during shifts isn’t needed under 900nm. There is no way to do it effectively with these ecus or unichips. They react too slow. So if you are over that 900nm an upgraded box is recommended. However we have VDJs on the road abusing stock used transmissions at 1200nm with no issues yet.
Thx for the reply, mine only has 690 nm at the wheels so should be good then. Would the sensors be the same from 2001-2006 as I think 2003 they did a facelift and changed a few things.
That is the sort of thing we will find out over time. Good chance they are the same. But until its done and confirmed specific we dont know. Depending on boost levels you may get away with using the factory map sensor. But we will likely recomend an aftermarket one for the simplicity of the calibration.@@matthewclements4932
Can you guys do one for a Cummins 6bt?
Hi guys
Just wondering if you have ever done an 8 speed behind either of 4.5 or a 4.8 Nissan patrol engine and if so
how well did they go and would they be any good for towing a hybrid camper ???
Thanks for any info
no we havent
It is very interesting. Very powerful what is the name of this landcruiser? Is it landcruser Amazon or VX limited?
Here its called a GXL.
What is the best car to get the auto from for this conversion ? Year model motor 2wd or 4wd ?
We like to use the n57 xdrive box. We can currently (2023 pricing) supply them for $4000 internally prepped for this controller.
So would it be easier for someone to bring in a manual and get you guys to convert it to your auto? Or by the time you change over all the hardware from manual to auto it’s about the same cost/stuffing around?
Realistically its that $25-$35k to do a conversion drive in drive out, depending on how you spec it.
I think the allison 1000 is a better conversion if towing heavy or 6L90E if not, jmo
I think that's a baseless claim tbh, jmo.
Do you not sell to the USA? I have tried purchasing from the 8 speep website with no success.
no sorry, we can't keep up with aussie orders as it is.
I know this may not be seen, but do you guys have any people running Holley Can with Turbolamik TCU?
That's where I'm currently stuck (In the US)
None of our customers are that I’m aware of. But I believe it is now supported on the 10.72 or newer firmware.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I see it but haven't been figure out how to get it to communicate. Guess I'll try to get it figured out!
Get in touch with your Lamik dealer, they will be able to give you some tip. Canbus setup is a bit of nightmare until you have done one.
@@75zl1
Found a few 8hp70 for sale, between 3.5 and 4.5k is that a good price for one?
Thats not bad at all.
Am hanging out for your 8 speed. Am currently 300 rwhp with 750 nm and have maxed out my 4speed bus tranny
While test driving this we have the conversation about the coasters. Would make those things so much more useable too.
Same, my 1fzfe turbo is 450hp with the 4 speed.
Any kits for the 1kz 4wd or a340 transmission?
Not yet. Sorry
Will this work on the v8 2uz fe?
Yes it could.
Are you still using the same trans as the 79 series conversion? The N57 8hp70 I believe.
Yes, well not in this car. This is the B57 8hp75. But basically the same.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Oh nice, that's actually the one I was interested in. Looking forward to these kits coming out! Awesome work
Do you think it be possible to put on of these behind a VN 5ltr? Not the 4x4 just RWD!
Yeah absolutely! You could even use a smaller cheaper version of the 8hp. Unless you are making decent power with the 5ltr.
WOW thanks for that Mate, I might just give that a go! I have owned the VN Calais since new & have put 4, 4l60's in it. The last time it blew was in 2008 & it is sitting in my shed waiting for me to fix it! Cheers!!@@ZeroTo60Tube
Well we have an adapter that should work with the 5ltr and that will bolt to either a n57 8hp70 or a b48/b58 8hp50. The later is the cheaper option and should be fine up to about 550whp @@jarnosaarinen4583
8speed for 1kd 👌👌
does the low speed 4wd transfer case still work like normal?
Yes, the only thing you need to be aware of is it wont change if there is load on the transfer case. So you need to be in neutral or park.
@@ZeroTo60Tube that is really cool would definitely want to do a swap like this
Which gearbox is it!? From ZF or Toyota?
Zf
1fz next👍
Absolutely!
I have an 1fz in a 105 series if you need a test case?
does anybody know what canbus messages sent to the 8hp tcu for control?
It varies on what oem tcu is in the trans. The controller you’ll need for an application like this, completely replaces the factory tcu.
@@ZeroTo60Tube i want to do an 8hp for my project but the complete package is out of my price range at the moment but i know my t5 manual transmission will not last long behind the power level i want to make.
Please offer these for the Isuzu/Colorado 3.0. Worst part about them is the auto trans.
One of our customers is working on them for those. Haven’t had an update from them for a few months, they must be close.
why do you need that many gears for ?
It optimises the engine tq making it to the wheels.
While motors will have a large tq band. Say peak tq from 1900-3300rpm, however it’s only a few hundred rpm where that tq is efficient. Keeping the engine close to its optimal efficiency makes a massive difference not only in consumption but acceleration as well.
On paper a constant variable transmission should be the best for this. However in reality cvt transmissions are very weak and also the lacklustre driving experience has almost made them obsolete for everything except full on economy boxes.
The 8hp in particular can shift almost cvt like or like full race sequential transmission. It gives an amazing balance of efficiency and driving feel. It’s why nearly every high end European performance car has this transmission.
Any updates on your 320d?
Unfortunately it got sold. I have sold a lot of cars to pay for the madness. However it’s now owned by someone that works at 8speed.
Currently tuned with in an inch of its life. Fast as for a 320d.
@@ZeroTo60Tube did it get a 8HP swap? Also whenever there’s time get a video no rush just whenever could be a year or two😂 just need a video on it.
Who did the initial install? Very keen to get one
There are a few shops doing 8 speeds in Australia, using very different methods to ourselves. It's hard, we are all pioneering the conversions at the moment and learning about potencial issues or complications. We are lucky, we were the first and have a lot more experience, but i dont want to point fingers, because every one has start somewhere. Even we are learning ways to improve on a monthly basis.
@@ZeroTo60Tube haha more so asking so I can reach out to them and organise and install. Unless you guys are now doing a full kit / install?
When you said intial install, i thought you meant the shop that did the initial install, the one that was in this, as it arrived to us, that we had to fix. We are still working on hardware for our kits, but hopefully have some more info next month.@@jessecullen715
So nothing preventing a swap into a 1hd/1hz?
Not at all! They do have a more basic fuel pump, so it will just require working out the best way to get rpm.
Oh and a pedal sensor.
I didn’t find any merch, any chance you’ll sale anymore clothes?
I'll be honest, far from a priority at the moment. But it is something i want to get updated.
@@ZeroTo60Tube make some showing the twins. The n54 of course lol
I’ll wait till it’s possible then! 🤙
Till then keep giving these cars the 🫘🫘🫘’s 🏁
The 8 speed conversion would be ace for earlier VE LS cars. I remember how bad the shifts were and it wasn't really fixed till VF-VFII. Having 8 speed and throttle blip downshift in VEs V8 would completely change those cars.
Scott at Capa performance has done one and is putting together a kit. He’s managed to get it working well with even gear display on the original ve cluster.
@ZeroTo60Tube that's incredible. Hopefully the words get out. The Commodore has such rubbish transmission hence why mine has been all manual. The Falcon ZF absolutely blows the GM offering away.
Thing sounds like a canal boat being fueled entirely by spanners.
Help me understand this. that engine produces 1000 nm of torque. that tranny according to wikipedia can only stand up to 800 nm. is it safe or reliable at all?
Yeah, with a bit of mechanical sympathy they seem quite happy behind a diesel making 1200nm.
@@ZeroTo60Tube how much torque 8hps can withstand? simply taking a gearbox from a bmw and coupling it with a diesel one maybe works but can it make it in the long run?
@@alibabaei1953 It depends on the application and level of mechanical understanding. In my car, i know it would last holding 1200nm for extreme use. However i wont sit there slipping clutches or stress the box for no reason. The 8hp70 in particular seems very strong.
1600RPM at ~100km/h??!! If you know the data, what's the fuel economy gone to?
Put one behind the 1hz
Anything in the pipeline for 8hp swap for fg falcons?
It’s already done. However you need to run haltech engine ecu.
@@ZeroTo60Tubeoh awesome! I’m yet to see one. Have you got any links to videos etc of the ones that have been done? And also what’s a rough cost? ( not including haltech ecu)
I’m doing one atm. There is a fg Ute in WA already done.
Geez I wish I could get my UZJ100 5 speed manual down below 2000 rpm at 110kph. lol.
We got you!
😂 what a waste of money 25k nothing wrong with the auto or manual thats in it
I’ve been told to keep mine under 800nm for transmission life and reliability, maybe that is the main reason, auto would certainly be good for the whole driveline in terms of shock loading
This power would melt the stock auto and manual would be on borrowed time.
It’s a heap of money, but makes the car so much better to drive, better on fuel and just better thing to own.
I used to think the manual was better than a 8speed until I front one.
I have an LC200 and can't wait untill an 8speed conversion is available for it. I fucking hate, with all of my body, the shit show that is the LC200 auto box. It fucks around trying to find the correct gear for no reason, it never locks up, yes you can get a lockup kit, but still, only shitty situations where it will actually lock.
I would gladly pay the money to fuck it off and have something that will let me get power to the ground, save fuel and be bullet proof.
Each to their own. Don't whinge about how other people spend their own money you clown.
I've got a manual version and it's a slouch with this box . Even with 250wkw and 1000nm I'm lucky to crack 0-100 in 7.5 seconds. With an 8 speed auto however 🎉
Not a waste of money putting a 8 speed in it will increase the towing capacity acceleration less strain on drive line components etc. 25k upgrade is a lot less than 150k for a truck that wil tow
Soo with all that extra power
What happened to upgradevthe pathetic crap brakes
Because standard.... The brakes are average
Why use an auto at all? Manual is far simpler and better, Is it just that people don't know how to drive?
The manuals are fairly weak in these, slow to use and just not and smooth or exciting to drive as a modern auto. Its hard to get your head around what you can do with these 8hp. You can make them shift like racing transmission, or smooth like a rolls royce.
@ZeroTo60Tube it's a 4wd though, not a race car. It's designed for off road crawling basically in the same gear. Doesn't make sense to me. Best of luck.
Ahhh fair enough, yeah i guess these are not used as off road crawlers mainly. People use them to travel australia in. Journeys doing thousands of klms, where the smooth nice auto makes a lot of sense. Helps with towing, the hills and keeping the engine in its power band. Mind you the 8 gear ratios and torque converter make the slow off road stuff much easier as well. You should have a go in one when you can. @@chippyjohn1
Who needs that kind of power off roading?
I'll wait.
Yeah, i mean i get that the numbers sound astronomical. But when you have this sort of power available uphill over taking when towing is much safer. Much easier to maintain momentum going up hill in soft sand. You dont need it, but it makes life easier. And when you do want to have a play, it makes it a lot more exciting.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I understand physics etc., but c'mon.... it's not Paris - Dakar. After a certain point it just makes things much more dangerous for everyone.
The amateurs & kids don't know any better.... til they're stuffed on the heli for the trip to the ER.
But....... hand me the keys and I'm outta here!! 🤙🏽🍻👍🏽