The Untold Story of a Racing God (That Sparked F1 Controversy)
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- In this video I go over the backstory of Formula One’s most famous quote, by Ayrton Senna.
Diving into the epic Senna vs Prost story
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Ayrton Senna is not dead, he is just one lap ahead of everyone. 🏁🏆🏆🏆🏁
Senna was like an old-school mechanic working in a modern dealership. He could do the job, better than most even, but he did it his way, not by the book. I think that's why he's such a polarizing character.
The 80's was the golden age of F1 and I was a die-hard Prost fan. I absolutely hated Senna. But on May 1, 1994 AD, I was watching the Stanley Cup, and during the break, they reported that Senna was killed in Imola. That was not possible, Although I did not like Senna, this simply could not happen to Senna. I have since come to recognize that Senna is the legend of legends, and that he is a very complex person. I still worship Prost but God refused to loan him out for more than 34 years.
I watched the race live in the United Kingdom Murray walker was doing the commontary , it was the worst weekend I've ever watched , with Roland passing and senna.
I respect your opinion. Even today Senna is woted by other racing drivers as the best. It's unbelievable that some people are trying to put him down and accuse him of being wreckless and yet he was one of the drivers who did a lot to improve the safety of drivers. I even read that he was disrespectful to his fans and that's not true. As a human being he wasn't perfect but nobody should take away the fact that he was one of the greatest racing drivers.
@@seehjsI fully agree with you and as for Senna being disrespectful to his fans, anyone who said that didn't have a clue what he was talking about. Senna was an exceptional human being and no other racing driver before or since has done remotely the same for children as Senna did and through his foundation continues to do so many years after his death.
@@seehjsHe often wrote to fans in his early years of F1 before his McLaren years when he became a global icon. I have a letter from him and he even wrote the envelope himself.
I have met him too and he was very shy.
There is a video on CZcams where he is very emotional over how fans were being treated in Japan.
To understand what happened 1989/90 you have to remember that Balestre did everything to undermine Senna he had a clear Prost bias.
Senna was intensely passionate, he thought the agreement only stood for the first start. He was very misunderstood he was very emotionally charged and felt he was being sideswiped.
Ron Dennis proved that the chicane rule had been flouted at Mexico with no penalty. Actually living through what when on its complicated.
Formula 1 will never ever have a best driver than Senna. His courage, boldness, focus and mind control were terrific. No fear, he took the risks that no one else would take. He knew his car and where the problem was to be fixed.
He stood up for all formula 1 drivers, always thinking about safety.
Great driver, great human being.
Senna was the greatest and raced to win, he wasn't out to make friends with other drivers. Sir Jackie Stewart was a pioneer for increased driver safety and Senna's take-no-prisoners style was too aggressive for his taste.
I think you're spot on. And I think that's why Jackie preferred Prost because Prost drove more like Jakie. I think Schumacher and senna if from other eras would've loved one another's style because they both very similar
Absolute genius, amazing driver to watch. I hardly think Jackie Stewart had any evidence that his comments were correct. RIP the GOAT
Prost was the last of the "gentleman driver" type mold from that era of F1. Senna broke that mold and set an example of "it's OK to splinter team harmony, especially play mind games with your teammate, and to have accidents if needed to win because being on pole and winning every race is the prime directive."@@speedmann194
@@speedmann194not really!!!. senna's Will always be the best driver.Schamacher doesn't even come closer..
@@alinsondearaujo2706
to me he's up there, we didn't have long to judge them by because 92 senna had way to many mechanical failures. But 93 senna defeated Schumacher fair and square and I don't believe McLaren was faster than Schumacher's Benetton. So 93 I give to senna, but 94 senna was getting beat up. However he didn't live long enough to fairly give it to Schumacher 94. I think senna was the best, but Schumacher was most definitely up there
Senna was no Hero, never was. He was the perfect example of an Anti-Hero and I love him for it.
He had a strong character, beliefs and will.
He's by far my favorite driver and sportsman of all time.
Me too bro.. I am brasilian.. he is way bigger than PELE here in brasil!
The man from another dimension .
Senna was not wrong. It was a great answer to those who want to manipulate the races.
I don't see anyone else doing such a thing in modern days because of the severe penalties, but one good example of the FIA doing what they want whenever they want, was choosing who was gonna take track limits in the US, Haas show to them the drivers that got away and they simply replied saying there was not enough proof.
He was disqualified because he didn't technically complete the race distance as he cut the chicane to rejoin. Jean-Marie Bellendo said he should've turned around and rejoined where he left the track. However had he done that i guarantee he would've been disqualified for dangerous driving anyway. Bellendo just had it in for Senna and massively favoured the French in F1.
Bellendo??? I guess you mean Balestre.
Yes, and he even admitted that later on. He wanted to have a French driver as World Champion, so he cheated for it to happen.
Balestre had definitely more "chemistry" with Prost. Sometimes, to me, it looked a bit even bizarre how close he forced himself standing too close to Alan. Dramatically ignoring Ayrton at the background in the stall. Almost childishly narcissistic. There are few videos even here on CZcams where you can see it yourself. Im not assuming anything here but it is always creepy to spot it in old videos.
Are you implying Balestre was a Bell end?
@@simonalexandercritchley439 i wrote what I wrote. The rest I leave it for your imagination. I know things cannot be written or said.
Great video. I moved to Brazil in 94 and learned who Senna was. Brazil is very proud of any one that gets a spotlight on the international stage. They painted him (and still do) as a perfect man. It wasnt until i moved out of brasil that I was able to see he was truly human and flawed like all drivers/all people.
Not accurate. Brazilians were never exceptionally proud of Piquet, who competed in the same sport, around the same time and won just as many world titles. Senna was loved that much in his home country because of his unbelievable charisma. Not even Pelé got the same love. And other world-class Brazilian sportspeople have been treated very poorly by their countrymen. Ronaldo is one example.
Whoa thanks, Chris, for stopping by & leaving a comment!
I'd love to visit Brazil one day, myself!
Chris, he was loved mostly because he gave a little back to our people, and you know that in 1994, Brazil was not a good country to live in.
But, unlike other champions before him, Senna gave back to the people, building its instute, helping children get lifted out from complete poverty, he invested a lot in small businesses at the time, that today are at least medium sized companies.
That made Senna the "Champion above Champions", because he not only won, he tried in hos own ways to improve the lives of many people.
Since then, only very few famous athletes and champions did the same, and those who did, are as venerated as he is.
@@andychatsf1 then come, Andy. It will be an honor for us to have you here!
@@sombraarthur Absolutely nonsense. Nobody knew about the charity works and the money he gave to the poor when he was alive. The people only found out about that after he died. How could he be loved because of these good deeds, if no one knew about them???? Obviously, this was not the reason why he was loved so much. Senna was loved because he was charismatic, passionate and extremely exciting on the track. He talked about racing as if it was the most important thing in life. Piquet, on the other hand, always had this aloof attitude, as if he didn't care...
Niki Lauda loved the way that Senna destroyed Prost.
Niki the silent gentleman. 😏
Jackie Stewart was an Alain Prost-like winner from an earlier, much more dangerous era. I was not a fan of what happened in 1989 & 1990 at Suzuka; but I later recognized that Senna was the bigger of the 2 drivers, after Prost took him out in 1989. In their infamous interview, Stewart was then almost 2 decades removed from F1, and by 1990 had become a relic from an earlier era, of self-inflated importance by his continuing TV commentator contracts (which he wasn't actually that good at). As we look back at history, I believe Senna's allegations regarding Ballestre's interference in the outcome of these championship events were completely correct, and Senna made the correct move at Suzuka in 1990.
Suzuka 90 was a message to Ballestre, that his bullshit would not fly anymore.
And that is why Ballestre quit as FISA president not long after that.
Well said - I feel like people still don't understand that this is the reality.
Still, it would be interesting to know if Jackie Stewart had a point, or it was just a combination of recency bias and Senna's notoriety. Although, I suspect that the actual number of crashes wouldn't be high enough to draw conclusions based on it alone, and one would have to get into specifics of each accident.
Calling senna the better driver 🤣🤣 Without Prost, senna would have won any title.
Yeah, I feel like Balestre wouldn't have batted an eye if the roles were reversed in Japan GP 1989.
Senna was very good with journalists, even if he didn't like those kind of attentions.
Just in 1993 he was very critical of Prost's Williams and it's electronic suspesions, claiming it removed the driver talent from the equation.
The very next year HE was in that Williams, but the FIA banned those electronic suspensions. Senna now claimed that banning them was "dangerous" because it made the car less predictable to drive, and the FIA should go back on their steps.
As you can see he was a master at manipulating words to suit his needs. He was there to win, no matter what.
And Prost was the same. Because it's clear from videos that, in 1989 at Suzuka, he purposely turned in way earlier than any other lap to crash into Senna, hoping for a double DNF that would've granted him the title.
Luclky these kind of controversies wouldn't fly that much in 2023, even if some toxic fans loves to come up with new ones.
Great mini documentary
You deserve more subscribers
Thank you for the lovely comment. The first one on this video
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Big business = politics, F1 = politics.
Senna was just much more open, less underhanded, but fighting a clever politician who also raced very fast in Prost.
My childhood hero was the one going for the gap, not the one using marionets to get what he wanted...
When you admit to taking out a fellow racer to win something, you should suffer consequences...Senna was VERY lucky it didn't happen to him in 1990...
At least he was honest enough to admit it 1 year later. Prost to this day has not admitted that he purposely threw his car into Senna at Suzuka 1989, even though it has been proven and irrefutable that he did so through videos (although his cynical fans still try to deny it).
@@WolfeN- Prost was ahead going into the corner...He had position & does NOT have to take the racing line every lap...Something Senna fans will never admit to...
@@jmilne5751 they was nearly side-by-side and from the movement he made, and calculating the route, he would make the entire corner on the grass, this proves that he deliberately hit Senna's car. This is amply proven by the helicopter camera videos, and the front-side camera videos. But you already know, or should already know that, right? Just another dishonest and cynical Prost fan...
@@WolfeN- The live overhead chopper shot shows Senna dive bombing for a gap that was never there...Both commentators World Champ James Hunt & legend Murray Walker BOTH said Senna was at fault and would have to answer for HIS mistake...Also said Prost in front, he HAS position & Senna should of yielded...but as usual went Kamikaze style and took himself & Prost out...Prost had NOTHING to gain....The ONLY people who say Prost did wrong are idiot Senna fans...NO-ONE else...
@@jmilne5751 Yet another Prost Fanboy trying to deny the evident truth...
Brilliant video. Prost didn't deserve it to happen to him, but Senna stuck to his word and he had a point. I love how he seethed at Jackie Stewart and called him Stewart but then corrected it later on. Schumacher had it in mind when he took out Damon Hill. But that was more dirty. Senna was a man of principle.
Just found your channel and watched this video first… Superb!!!
Well researched, written and produced! 👍
Thank you, so much!
My first one like this; I plan to do a few more.
Finally someone has done something on this. It’s agony having to explain how this quote is so misunderstood
87 MJ's Bad man that was a damn year!!!!
About the video, amazing job!!! keep up the work!
People give so much shit to Schumi for being a "Dirty Driver" at times but the stuff he did was tame compared to what Senna did during his time in F1
Wow, excelent video man!!!
Thank you!
I don't believe, Alain Prost had exactly "lobbied" Ron Dennis to sign Ayrton Senna, he just couldn't do much about it because of the Honda engine Dennis wanted and Senna to him seemed the "lesser evil" compared to Nelson Piquet, Honda's other "choice". Little did the little Frenchman know... ;)
Senna was revered by many not least because of his sheer and uncompromising ruthlessness. Jackie Stewart has rightly called him out on his questionable antics. A driver like him would have no place in modern F1... and him decking Eddie Irvine would likely carry a lifelong ban in this day and age. 😉
The good, the bad, the flaws, the genius...all things taken into consideration...Ayrton Senna, gave his all, he left people in awe of his commitment & skill...he gave people memories that will last all their lives, & illicited an emotional response that no one else ever did...perhaps Clark was more the gentleman, perhaps Fangio more consistent...but in my heart, no one gave the emotion that Senna did....he was ruthless, super fast, but he was also brave & showed compassion, as in Spa, 1992
SO GOOD.. SENNA AND PROST WILL LIVE FOREVER IN OUR MINDS! SO GOOD!
5:45
Im sorry, but i don't believe for a second Senna would agree to such a thing & prost is a fool for thinking Senna would stick to if if there was an agreement
Senna was born to win. He's the greatest of all times
Prost convinced Ron Dennis to sign Senna because he shat his pants in fear of Nelson Piquet. You see, Honda wanted to appoint the other driver and they gave three choices to Dennis: Piquet, Senna or Satoru Nakajima. Dennis vetoed Nakajima. So the choice was between the two Brazilians. When Prost got wind of that, he was terrified by the idea of sharing the team with Piquet, which not only was the reigning champion, but was also a fast, experienced and - above all - very canny driver. He saw the mind tricks Piquet played with Mansell at Williams and how he mentally harmed the Brit. So he lobbied for Senna. He thought it would be easier to defeat a fast, but unexperienced and sometimes overly aggressive driver, like Senna was at that stage. He was wrong. But the main point is: he didn't do it because he wanted what was best for the team, as he usually say. It was fear of Piquet.
@@lazman5516 He didn't beat him in 1988. Senna won that season. And please don't give that "oh but if you consider the discarded points...". And they had the same equipment.
@@lazman5516 The regulation was like that for a reason. The reason was to force driver to take more risks. Cars were unreliable and drivers tended to drive too cautiously to make sure they arrive to the end of the race, which caused the races to become boring. And also the championship would be otherwise unfair in their perception, because it would be decided much more by luck (who had less retirements) than skills. So they created the rule that you should discard your worst results, so drivers wouldn't fear having a few retirements. It was the driver's job to adapt his driving style to these rules and focus on collecting VALID points, not TOTAL points. Senna did just that and won the championship. Judging drivers by total points means you are ranking them based on results they were NOT suppose to achieve. It is like saying that the football team which collect the most points in the championship is not the best because they had too many red cards during the season. If the regulations considered the total points and every driver knew that, then they would have adapted their driving style to these conditions and nobody knows how well each of them would have fared. The story of different equipment only started in 1989 and is nothing but an excuse of Prost for being slower. Honda never confirm anything of that. I've heard Prost's interview on the F1 podcast recently and he says he doesn't know if their engines were different. He doesn't want to admit it was only a rumor that he started, but he doesn't want to accuse Honda without evidences either.
@@lazman5516 No, he never said that. He said he had a meeting with Honda president and he told Prost the Honda engineers loved Senna. And we don't even know if that is true. Prost lies a lot about these kinds of things. Prost never said anything about getting a confession of Senna receiving better equipment from Honda. If you insist on that, then put a link here of a Prost interview where he says it...
@@lazman5516 Your text interpretation is very poor. I didn't say drivers would finish more races. I said they would be encouraged to be more cautious and TRY to finish more races, leading to more boring races. So either one, or the other, depending on how drivers would adapt to a regulation without the discarding of points in a time of very unreliable cars. But I think you're just a troll and you're not even interested in a honest and friendly debate. Goodbye for good.
@@lazman5516 It is a matter of principle that drivers should be judged by their level of success in achieving what they were told to achieve under the regulations in force at the period. I can assure you with one hundred percent certainty that Prost was not trying to collect a higher TOTAL number of points than the other drivers. He was trying to collect a higher VALID number of points than the other drivers, because he knew that is what would land him the title. And he failed. He did not manage to do it. He was not able to adapt his driving style to achieve that result, at least not more than Senna. And we have no way of knowing how the drivers would have managed to adapted to it and how they would have performed, if the regulations said that the total number of points was the measure used to give the title. To use different points systems than the one in force in a given season to measure who has beaten whom in that season is totally ludicrous. In 2008, Massa would have beaten Hamilton in any alternative points system F1 has ever used. Is it then correct to say that Massa beat Hamilton in 2008?? No, it would be ridiculous (forget crashgate). Yes, I suspect you probably knew the rationale behind the regulations of that time. But you talked as if you didn't, probably because you're a troll. So I thought it would be nice to rub it in you face.
These 2.. 30 years laters.. i stil lhave gus bumbs
I wish i was around to watch these two race each other!
Just to remind everyone, as Prost said, both forgave each other before Senna passed away, and that's all that really matters in the end.
Great vid. Didn't realize that quote is from a Jackie Stewart interview lol. Great rivalry. Nico vs. Hamilton or Hakkinen Schumacher next?
Thanks mate!
lol, Jackie Stewart didn’t hold back with his questions!
I’ve got around 5 initial ideas listed, and Nico vs Hamilton is one of them 😊
I viewed the whole video waiting for the promised "untold" information that never came. Clickbait.
One F1 movie, an I hope its made for,and I vaiting for the name ...Prost vs Senna
If he would have lived he surely should have driven for ferrari and no doubt No1 F1 driver of all time..till date..and many more record and pole positions...
God bless his soul...the greatest and best F1 driver of all time
SENNA 🐐 MICHAEL JORDAN MENTALITY! WOULD DO ANYTHING TO WIN! THE GREATEST PILOT OF ALL TIME! NO QUESTON! END OF STORY!
It's never the end of the story.
Adrian Newey is alot older than I realised
I find the pink text very hard to read.
Either a thicker font or a lighter, more contrasting color would be easier to see.
Personally, I like the font so I would choose yellow for the color.
Thanks for listening.
Thanks for the feedback; I've tried a different colour & font for my next upload.
Why this video anyone like F1 know this story!!! There are great documentary from Senna❤
In any sport discipline when a certain period of time a great rivalry takes place, like this one, more incidents happen because of the ongoing battle. Remember Hamilton with Verstappen a few years ago, they had many collisions due to the battle. 2023 and also this year i expect, There is no rivalry therefore less chance incidents happen
F1 was so good while he was there...
The GOAT
Balestre soiled Prost’s legacy just like Masi marred Max’s first championship.
Was polealways on the Rh side?
Nope.
Senna was very fast in qualifying, faster than most F1 champions, but he also was a very dirty driver, often blocking other drivers who tried to overtake him by driving left-right (like at 4:05 with Prost and at 12:45). He also intentionally crashed into Prost two times in a row in 1989 and 1990 trying to win the championship that way.
Rub is as old as racing.
?? Their story has been made into a movie!
When??
link, or it didn't happen...
@@robertkerr4199 Some people can't keep movie and documentary apart ;-)
Senna just threw his car over the others, and the other pilots conceded him the positions because they didn't want to get envolved in accidents. Prost was better than Senna, having beaten him in the two years they were on the same racing team (yes, he did more points than Senna in 1988 too), 1989 and 1993. Hamilton, Schumacher, Fangio and Alain Prost are the best pilots in F1 up to date.
For all his greatness Senna comes across as a bull who is having a red flag waved in front of him. He takes no responsibility, and if he had driven like this in Jackie’s era he probably would have died or killed others. Additionally because of the state of F1 we the fans have been deprived of other great rivalry’s! Imagine what may have unfolded had Alonso not been deprived of a good car and he was allowed to race Lewis and Vettel in an car worthy of his talent.
"He takes no responsibility, and if he had driven like this in Jackie’s era he probably would have died or killed others."... Partially true. If Senna raced back at Jackie's times, he would probably be more cautious. Cars from Senna's era were better at safety than the death traps that Jackie drove back then.
Just to help deliver the point: In junior series, the cars were a bit less, if not as dangerous as in Jackie's times, and Senna had less crashes in there than anyone.
Fortunately or not, the risk that drivers take are inherent to how safe their cars are...
6: 13 You got that really wrong. He DIDN'T break the original agreement. The race at Imola didn't start over, it continued from a stoppage. PROST broke the agreement by overtaking Senna on the RESTART. Multi 21 Seb..... I loved this. Great job.
@@lazman5516 The Rule was "whoever started first at the start had the right to win the race if he completed it." So Senna jumped at the front, Berger had an accident and the RESTART happened, so Senna had the right to continue at the front, since he started first at the start, you has to be very dishonest to say that Senna should have left the Prost in front even though he was in front after the original start.
@@lazman5516 Prost never stated this in public before the San Marino Grand Prix, so you invented this (again), and what he said after this is completly useless, because he is a mythomaniac, he said and still says anything to try to discredit the achievements of others and praise his own.
And yes, i like my comments, what does this have to do with the discussion? Will you cry like your idol Prost too?
Was Senna a shady driver, you bet, but Prost was just as shady off the track...
That's your point of view , and you are wrong. You're in a fantasy world
Indeed!
What's untold?
Love Jackie Stewart pointing out to Senna that he's had more crashes in 3-4 years than ALL other champions combined & Senna in his own world denies it & makes excuses
Yeah bud Stewart asked the difficult questions and also made ridiculous statements. I've yet to see him ask Hamilton the same question. Typical Brit hypocrite. Its always okay for Brits to do whatever they think they need to do but God help a non Brit who does remotely the same!
More crashes than anyone? Even people with long careers?
@@deeacosta2734 At the time of this interview....YES
@@Jay-Leigh863yeah right like Max is Brit 😂 Fia given Max free title
@@Jay-Leigh863Jackie Stewart criticizes Lewis all the time. He recently told the press that Lewis had “serious problems”, and rarely recognizes his achievements. But I guess you have to bring Lewis in everything since he lives rent free in your head.
Senna was fucked over. Why is pole position on the wrong side of the track? Have they changed it since?
Yes, they’ve since moved pole position to the racing line.
I can’t recall what year they moved it, hopefully someone in the comments will know/remember?
@@andychatsf1 They literally changed at the next Japanese Grand Prix in 1990.
The pole was in this place years before and never changed until senna tantrum. He had no right to cry like this. If any pilote did something like this now he would be dismissed by everyone. Either way he choosed to ram prost and should have receive point penalty for that or championship DQ like Schumacher in 1997.
@@itachiaurion3198 Pole in the 60's to the start of the 80's were on the place that Senna asked for it to be. They changed it in the 80's all the way up to '91 because htye thought it was safer. It partially is, but that puts pole driver on the worst place possible, which is the dirty part of the track, and on the inside of the first curve, that was made to be taken by the outside.
@@sombraarthur This doesn't change the fact that at the weekend of the race it was already too late to such change and Ayrton was in no right to slam into Alain Prost like that because he misses is start.
I think he thought he would never die in a crash I read that he said god was looking after him but he did not want to race that day I wonder what he would have thought of max and Lewis in Silverstone 2021
You just forgot to mention that in 1989 Prost DELIBERATELY crashed into Senna to grant his championship.
That wasn’t deliberate at all, even the commentators said Prost had every right to defend that position. That Senna documentary from years ago was so one-sided for Senna and showed Prost as the bad guy and now it’s all people believe. You have to realize that Senna crashed more on-track than virtually any driver during his years, Prost was generally very clean. It’s sort of like Lewis vs. Max, we all know Max has a far worse record of crashing wheel to wheel and he caused the majority of their collisions. Somehow people think Lewis did something dirty at Silverstone but Max knew the risk he was taking, the guy was rather foolish putting his nose in at that moment. But that’s Max’s style, balls to the wall and doesn’t care if he hurts others or himself (Hamilton always on the radio asking if crashed drivers are okay and always takes the blame if something is his fault).
@@mclarensaleenf7 I am not basing my comment on the documentary. I saw that. Live.
It was CLEARLY a deliberate manouver. No doubts on that.
Prost KNEW he had lost the position. He was not trying to “defend himself”. He shut the door hoping Senna would back out. He should have known better, as Naninni knew four laps later, on the SAME CORNER AND THE SAME MANOUVER.
@@mclarensaleenf7 "You have to realize that Senna crashed more on-track than virtually any driver during his years" That is a blatant lie, and everyone with a computer and a calculator can see this.
@@mclarensaleenf7 "Somehow people think Lewis did something dirty at Silverstone" But he did, and there are MANY reconstructions of his trajectory based on widely available evidences from cameras in many angles proving the point.
Mozart had his critics too.
Cope.
Balestre was an evil self-serving toad and Senna did it right.
Yes Senna was overagressive. And if his car was in fact bottoming at Imola, he surely knew it, because it's obvious to us as drivers, and he drove in aggressively anyway. Over aggression catches up with you eventually. I wasn't a fan of him, nor was I a fan of Dale Earnhardt Sr. for the same reason. Don't care how tactically "good" they were. Racing is won on strategy and occasional calculated tactical risks. To me, not a good driver if you are always taking the risks, because you're no strategian. And it gets you killed. See also Gilles Villneuve.
The great counterpoint is Jackie Stewart, in my mind perhaps the greatest driver, because he knew when to be fast and when to be conservative. Living your whole career, in F1, should almost be a driver performance statistic.
A pre race threat to take Prost out at Suzuka is a complete brain fade... The powers that be should of penalised Senna before the race had occurred ....True to his word, Senna took Prost out and what happened to him??? NOT a bloody thing...
Are you slow? Prost took out senna for the championship the year before.
@@erdngtn9942 No he didn't...Listen to the commentators of the race...James Hunt & Murray Walker....BOTH said Prost had every right to defend the corner because HE was in front and has position...Senna went for a gap that didn't exist and he would be penalised....Senna fans will NEVER admit that HE caused the crash NOT Prost...
@@erdngtn9942 Let's assume he did.
Premeditated revenge is different. That's criminal.
@@jmilne5751 because id you are not a prost fanboy, tou would KNOW that Prost crashed into him on purpose. Regardless of what any commentator has said.
Prost was not a racing driver he was a chicken and was wining of everything and he had the president of F 1 who always favoured Prost !
`yeah. I like schumacher way more.
and now max of course.
Schumacher was incredibly dirty on track and so is Verstappen. I actually see those 3 as the most talented but dirtiest drivers in history. I still think Hamilton is the cleanest multi champion of the modern era. Alonso has gotten his act together lately but used to be excessively dirty as well (particularly when Lewis beat him as a rookie at McLaren).
I wish felipe massa put the same effort as barichello. I guess not everyone is gifted
Prost was a politician. He managed to always drive the best car. Senna, on the other hand, had at best an equal car to the best. And Prost was pathetic on a wet race.
prost did not have the best car in 86 the williams were the best. who won prost ,and in 1990 his skill won 5 races in the ferrari. .
Early in Prost’s career he lost 2 good friends in the 82 season. He lost Gilles Villanueve and then in the same year, it was raining and Didier Pironi didn’t see Prost’s car in the heavy spray. Pironi’s car somersaulted over Prost’s car. Prost ran over to his friend didier and saw how badly mangled his legs were. When the drs turned up, they told Prost to keep Pironi awake. And all Prost heard from the medics was that they were going to amputate pironi’s legs.
Prost then drove for McLaren in 84’ teaming up with Niki Lauda. You know the guy who had his face burnt off at the Nurburgring in 1976. Lauda was also famous in hating the rain.
Those incidents made Prost change his outlook of F1.
Senna never experienced it until Roland Ratzenberger died at imola. Senna was a complete mess and he was found on the floor crying. It affected senna that badly just like it affected Prost so badly when Villanueve died and Pironi lost his legs.
Just read up on the history of Prost next time.
Senna had some serious personality flaws that clouded his judgement, and consequently suffered from the "red mist". He was willing to do anything to win, while ignoring ethics and team harmony. Having met him on numerous occasions, I was aghast at the way at the way he would treat people that were from the press. I even witnessed him telling fans to f**k off when asking for an autograph. Prost was not as fast in qualifying, but over a race distance, was able to beat Senna, who had an extremely difficult time dealing and accepting this. Many top journalists at the time shared this opinion. Even Bernie Ecclestone said that Prost was a better driver. Senna fan boys have a difficult time accepting this.
that comes from a senna hater ?...i am pitty u for be so holow
Wow. As a die-hard Prost fan, I had a hard time believing that anyone was faster than Prost. But finally I had to give in, although I always remained a Prost fan. How did you get to meet Senna? What is your opinion of the 2021 Abu Dhabi fiasco? I have lost total respect to F1 and FIA after that.
Indeed, many are fanboys. I'm German and I loved to see Schumacher win titles for Germany and Ferrari (yes I favor them over Mercedes) but I am aware Schumacher cheated a few times and he is not the GOAT. I'm a sportsman all my life and without fairness sport is nothing. Jim Clark is the Goat
@@theosas5267 Senna fan boys are just as pathetic as Hamilton fan boys.
It's true, I also met Senna personally, I even witnessed him hitting a child because he didn't want to compete in a kart competition with him, and I also saw him killing a dog that was barking at him. Even Jean-Marie Balestre said that Prost was a better driver. Senna fan boys have a difficult time accepting this.
Prost was pulling annoying pranks on Senna and Senna was badmouthing Prost to the press, but in the end Senna went off script on a Radio transmition of the Imola circuit warm-up saying "my dear friend Allain we miss you"
I believe Senna eventually apologised to Jackie Stewart. 🤔
Looking back to all his career, Senna was completely right,he raced hard and dominated all of them being fastest,leading more laps and passing them like they were amateurs.Jackie Stewart was simply foolish having this stance to Senna for his personal preference, simply he couldn't accept that Senna was in Jim Clark level.Senna was unlucky with mechanical failure rates and underperforming cars in 1992 thru1994 which lost another 4-5 championships until in the end of 1997 could be 8 times WC raced until 39.
Jim Clark didn't use other cars as berms. And didn't take out a title rival on purpose to win a championship. Jim ran clean races to his championships. Making him the better driver. They all still stand in the shadow of Juan Manuel Fangio. 5 championships with 4 different teams, over only 8 seasons. That will never be equaled.
@@stk0308 Senna paid Prost and Balestre with the same coin.Dont put Prost as a Saint,he was more dirty soul than Senna in all aspects.and he was part of the incident in 1989 which he closed the door like an amateur.Yes Senna made driver errors as i remember contact with Mansel 1992 Australia,Monza 1989&1993 and a few others but he was never dangerous to other people passing or defending.Looking nowadays f1 or on Schumacher era,he was soft.As i said before Senna had many retirements cos mechanical problems,in Mercedes like now he would dominated by far.
Prost and Senna were both undoubtedly talented and both annoying prima donnas.
I consider Senna one of the dirtiest drivers ever in F1. Yes, he is probably the fastest of all time, but that does not condone his actions. He was the antithesis of people like Fangio, Clark and Stewart. Those men were pure class. Nonetheless, when we lost Senna at Imola, I was as sad as anyone else.
It's funny you say that, because Fangio considered Senna his "successor" and he was the driver he most admired... To the point of never watching an F1 grand prix again after Senna died.
Agreed, I see Verstappen in a similar light, although he’s gotten a little better at not crashing people. His moves are generally super dirty and the other driver basically has to let off or both will crash. Not a fan of those kinds of moves at all. Never been a huge Senna fan either because he was such a dirty driver (and even then, Prost was still on his level in the same car). Piquet and Prost were at least near his level in that era so he certainly isn’t the best ever. I can’t root for Verstappen for the same reason, he’s incredibly fast but has some the dirtiest wheel to wheel conduct on the grid…and never takes the blame for any incident, just blames the other driver even when it’s super obvious. It’s like he thinks they are supposed to yield to him.
"I consider Senna one of the dirtiest drivers ever in F1." What you consider is irrelevant.
"Yes, he is probably the fastest of all time" And that was all that matters.
Congratulations on playing yourself.
Thats Lewis Hamilton
What has had to do with it?
Like Rossi, Senna wasn't a great sportsman. Thats why Jim Clark is the all-time greatest in F1, and Surtees and Fangio are greater than Senna, too. And Villeneuve is still the most loved in Italy
Lewis is the best sportsman I’ve personally seen in F1 but I’ve only watched since 2007. He always loves a good wheel to wheel battle, gives respectable space to the opponent, and I’ve never seen him pull any intentionally negative moves. He generally always takes the blame if an incident is his fault (both last year with Alonso at Spa and recently with Russell in Qatar). The fact he immediately congratulated Verstappen for his 2021 championship (having it literally just taken away from him for the illegal SC stunt) was absolutely top stuff. Honorable even in defeat.
Silverstone 2021, are you fucking kidding me?
@@mclarensaleenf7 You might have not seen his races against Nico, then... And how he left no space for him, most of the times, and pulled a lot of negative moves towards Nico, because Lewis wanted to beat Nico, whatever the cost. Also, what he did with Max at Silverstone '19 was borderline criminal.
@@mclarensaleenf7
Yea, that crash in the pits into Kimi in 08 was pure sportsmanship,right?
Wipe your mouth when you get off your knees.
Disgusting
Andy Chats - you COMPLETELY failed to mention that Prost turned in WAY early to take Senna out in Japan 1989 and made it sound like it was a genuine racing accident rather than a deliberate take out, which it 100% was!
Senna was and still is the best F1 driver of all time (F1 official post 3 years ago)! Prost was good but didn't have the same skills. I saw every race by TV, live. Who says something different from it or judge one or other, clearly didn't live that time. To be a F1 driver is not so simple as a Nascar driver or something similar, you have to have much more skills, be more aggressive and selfish. That's exactly the characteristics of Schumacher, Hamilton, Verstappen and etc. Think about it before pointing the fingers. Sorry guys but the facts tells the story by themselves.
@@karmakazi101nops you re wrong senna was exceptional every single time he raced
@@karmakazi101 that’s your opinion which 90% of former drivers disagree.
@@karmakazi101 the best drivers of the history of the world thinks otherwise.
@@karmakazi101 Jim Clark, by all of his acievements, was a lesser driver than Senna. The results don't lie.
I never liked Senna. He was the villain while i rooted for Mansell.
As you said, Senna may have gotten more pole positions, but what matters is the race result...Prost had less crashes & out scored Senna in races, better mental attitude and smarter behind the wheel....
Prost crybaby senna was the better driver
If I was Prost I would 💪👊😂 How dare you hit my formula??? You copy smart arshe 😂
Senna was right
Formula 1 suffered as a sport when Senna arrived bringing some highly questionable tactics he'd employed in the lower categories.
You mean Prost*? The first ever driver to deliberatly collided with other competitor to win a championship?
@@WolfeN- Although you didn't intend it, that incident highlighted Senna suffering from his own tactic that was not acceptable in F1 prior to his arrival. That being a willingness to put other drivers at risk of crashing if they didn't move over.
@@marks7197 This was not Senna's tactic, several drivers already used the mentality of using any gap to overtake. G.Villeneuve, Peterson, Scheckter, Hunt, Rindt, Bellof among others... and after Senna this continued with M.Schumacher, Irvine, Hakkinen, Montoya, Raikkonen (mainly when he was young), Alonso, Hamilton (mainly when he was young man), Vettel and now Verstappen... And if they used this tactic against Senna, he would fight for the position firmly, as happened several times, and not delibelatery crash with others...
After all if there is a gap, you have the right to compete for it. It's a Formula 1 race, not a slotcar race.
@@WolfeN- Missed my point by a mile and compounded it with drivel. Nice one.
@@marks7197 "Missed my point by a mile and compounded it with drivel. Nice one."... No, he addressed exactly the point you made, it happens that you are too dense to think about it and take the argument to keep the debate going.
"Senna's tactics" as you said, he pointed out that other drivers had used the same strategies than him, before he was even there, like Villeneuve, Peterson, Scheckter, Hunt, Rindt... And that it continued after him, with Schumi, Irvine, Hakkinen, Raikkonen, Montoya, Alonso and others.
Sorry fans, but Senna was overrated. He was dangerous on track.
Schumacher, Vettel and Verstappen are as bad or worse.
If you can't drive with respect for other racers and the rules you shouldn't drive at all.
Rules are bent and even broken to make racing more exciting. This has turned the sport into a bad joke.
Let me guess, a bitter and coping hamilton fangirl?
Keep crying.
@@MooncricketsInc nope, lol keep guessing
@@JennyGavinWear
Keep crying and coping.
I HAVE TO SAY MAX VERSTAPPEN IS THE MOST POLISHED DRIVER OF THEM ALL TO THIS POINT IN TIME, HE IS CALM, HE WINS A F....LOAD, HE DOESNT CHEAT, HE DOESNT TRY TO INTIMIDATE OTHER DRIVERS, HE JUST RACES THE CAR, AND LIKE SENNA MAX CAN WIN IN A SLOWER CAR, NEVER EVER SEEN HAMILTON DO THAT, MAX IS ON ANOTHER LEVEL COMPARED TO HAM, SENNA WAS THAT TOO BUT MAX IS MORE POLISHED!
That's the dumbest racing quote of all time. No wonder you people can't turn a couple laps without some sort of incident or loss of control. LOL
Prost a typical french guy, became lazy so Senna annihilated him and Senna was 100x better driver.
I hate Balestre