Honestly, can't wait to see the Oscars go. Sick of back pain every time I travel. Hoping these are slightly more supported at the lumbar/thoracic region. They are similar to new airline design, but the padding is still up in the air. Great work Phil
@@suave-rider It's a perk of travelling in NSW that is genuinely useful and valued by a lot of residents here. I don't see why they think it's a good idea to take that away when you want to incentivise travel on trains.
@3:00 minutes mate you say "get rid of guards - no thank you"; we haven't had guards on any trains in Germany for years, we have customer service representatives who walk through checking tickets and offering help to people
That's what I wish we were moving too. Instead the "guard" just sits in the middle or end cab... Supposedly watching the cctv screens and operating the doors. Plus they are costing millions to change the cab door so it can be opened whilst under movement... So step back in safety 🤦🏼♂️
@@DAEMTAM agreed, I used to be a guard and they are literally a bunch of whining lazy group of people who think they are owed the world. I used to do 8 hour shifts watching movies whilst getting paid whopping $$$ I left out of boredom
NSW's intercity network is not like the regional train network of Germany so you can't compare. NSW's intercity network is like an outer suburban run. Not a service where you pre-book and get allocated seats. Because of this, it's we're not comparing two similar networks. Much of NSW's intercity network is comprised of small unattended platforms, operating at very regular intervals at all times of the day and night. Guards are very much a valued part of this system.
@@OldAussieAds The German rail system has no guards anywhere as far as I am aware, and there are many corridors similar to the NSW InterCity lines - they are called Regional Express, Regional Bahn and some of the longer S-Bahn lines have similar characteristics. There is no pre-booking or seating allocation on these routes, and they are the backbone of many regional areas with far more patronage than even the busier NSW lines. No *platforms* in Germany are attended either, the main stations often have customer service reps and information stands but they have nothing to do with railway operations. You also seem to neglect the fact that Western Australia and Victoria both have lines very similar to the NSW InterCity network, some of which are even busier and run more frequently, yet there are no guards or platform staff in WA or Victoria. Why? Let's start by getting rid of guards on the Suburban system, who haven't been needed for at least 7-8 decades and cause the most disruption to the most people.
NSW does not care about efficiency, they keep thousands of redundant jobs to keep the people happy. I reckon they could cut spending by 65% and no one would notice a difference.
Excellent video of the interior of the Dset. They will have to change the logo to Sydney Trains as the interurban fleet now comes under the Sydney Trains Network. I have a problem with the seats not being flippable, especially when these trains will be covering journeys of up to 3 hours in length which is quite a problem for those who suffer with motion sickness and vertigo. I like the colour scheme. However, the doors on the rest of the fleet are yellow to assist those who are vision impaired, which is supposed to be a requirement under TFNSW rules. Excellent video, well done 👏
Thank you. Yes, I agree with the seats, I think they thought it’d me okay to sacrifice Flippable seats in order to have charging ports and a tray table onboard. They definitely could have thought of something else. 👍
@paintbrushguy That is true for most people but there are a number of people that for medical reasons can't travel backwards. Flippable seats can still have all the features you mentioned.
They could implement chargers on the walls, power plugs under the seat, and have a retractable armrest UNDER the seat, so you pull it out, same with the tray table, with no compromise like the V Set!
Probably the D sets are the only brand new train that I’m looking forward to entering service, the NERF trains that are replacing the XPT, Xplorer and Endeavour (N set) not so much
Couldn’t they have made the carriages a bit longer like on the V Sets? Not only would it free up space for both those that live outside of Sydney and those that catch it as an express train (I.e. to Penrith or Hornsby from the city) but it would differentiate it as an Intercity train from Urban trains. It looks similar to our newer Urban fleet. But with that said, I do like the look.
The shorter cars are much smarter as they can take corners are slightly higher speeds. You could also add 2 cars to the 4 car set to make 12 cars for future trains.
Wonder how the bike rack area will work - will cyclists have to rush along the platform to reach it? As it is now, as soon as the train stops you have staff whistling to hurry up and get in before the doors close. Will they mark the platform area on each station network wide with paint as to where they should wait? Can't see how this will work.
at least the doors will already be open and you won't have to get both sides open with one hand as you hold your bike. But yes better hope you're near the car, because otherwise you need to look at the number of cars and use your train knowledge to figure out where to wait XD
@@ABC-rb5uf the issue I'm foreseeing is that 10 car trains will be asymmetrical, so the bike car won't always be in the same place. So at most, you might need to run 2 cars down.
Great to get a sneak peek! I'm so sad they aren't improving the guard operations... I was hoping they were changing operation models to be similar to UK where the guard walls through the train checking tickets and operating the doors from closest door to where they are... Would have been a safety & compliance upgrade. I'm like you and disappointed in the train, I feel intercity should have a luggage & bike rack (edit: i looked at TfNSW and some sets do have!), great to see the charging ports and tray tables though. Note: not due to enter service until 2nd half 2024!!! 4 years after arriving 🤦🏼♂️😡🤬
Re : the guards, That is the real reason why the unions were pushing back on these trains. The guards were going to be customer service as per UK bu tthe unions threw a fit.
The joys of not communicating properly. I have seen many organisations create troubles where staff at any level has a😮"assumed" and made a rod for others' backs by not listeni g or asking. Who" Assumed" in this case and did not include all parties in the discussion?
Typical D set cheap and nasty. Not comparable to the 35-50 year old V sets built by the company my Father worked for Comeng, who also built the XPT. Seat backs on the D set appear thin and flimsy and mostly likely become uncomfortable in no greater than 10 minutes of travel time. No vestibule door to keep the passenger compartment warm when the external doors are open, travelling in Winter from Mount Victoria. Least of all reversible seating, I am sorry if I am travelling over an hour on a train I prefer not to travel backwards. Overall pretty typical for a trained ordered by yuppies from the North Shore, who have no life experience other than making a career out of politics. Remember everyone Australia cant build trains as according to ex NSW Premier Gladys B 🤦♂️
Like the rest of the world. People want table trays for laptops, plugs etc and you need fixed seating for this. In the rest of the world people are fine with this. Also, these are high back seats (should be similar to newer airline seats, just heavier) and you would require slightly more room in-between seats (or a much harder straight back) to fit them in.
Honestly, can't wait to see the Oscars go. Sick of back pain every time I travel. Hoping these are slightly more supported at the lumbar/thoracic region. They are similar to new airline design, but the padding is still up in the air. Great work Phil
Great capture and footage of how the train looks like, I liked the video!
Glad you enjoyed it. 😀
Shame about the fixed direction seating. I’d go reversible seating over being able to charge a device any day.
You do realise that no train outside NSW AUSTRALIA has reversible seats (including the XPT) and no lives have been lost.
@@suave-rider Ease up there buddy, no need to get melodramatic. Was just merely expressing an opinion.
@@suave-rider It's a perk of travelling in NSW that is genuinely useful and valued by a lot of residents here. I don't see why they think it's a good idea to take that away when you want to incentivise travel on trains.
@@ziggybadans you are welcome to not travel if ur gonna whine so much
@@suave-rider Lmao nah I'm good I think I'll still travel on them, thanks for the offer tho! 😊
@3:00 minutes mate you say "get rid of guards - no thank you"; we haven't had guards on any trains in Germany for years, we have customer service representatives who walk through checking tickets and offering help to people
That's what I wish we were moving too.
Instead the "guard" just sits in the middle or end cab... Supposedly watching the cctv screens and operating the doors.
Plus they are costing millions to change the cab door so it can be opened whilst under movement... So step back in safety 🤦🏼♂️
@@DAEMTAM agreed, I used to be a guard and they are literally a bunch of whining lazy group of people who think they are owed the world. I used to do 8 hour shifts watching movies whilst getting paid whopping $$$
I left out of boredom
NSW's intercity network is not like the regional train network of Germany so you can't compare. NSW's intercity network is like an outer suburban run. Not a service where you pre-book and get allocated seats. Because of this, it's we're not comparing two similar networks.
Much of NSW's intercity network is comprised of small unattended platforms, operating at very regular intervals at all times of the day and night. Guards are very much a valued part of this system.
@@OldAussieAds The German rail system has no guards anywhere as far as I am aware, and there are many corridors similar to the NSW InterCity lines - they are called Regional Express, Regional Bahn and some of the longer S-Bahn lines have similar characteristics. There is no pre-booking or seating allocation on these routes, and they are the backbone of many regional areas with far more patronage than even the busier NSW lines. No *platforms* in Germany are attended either, the main stations often have customer service reps and information stands but they have nothing to do with railway operations.
You also seem to neglect the fact that Western Australia and Victoria both have lines very similar to the NSW InterCity network, some of which are even busier and run more frequently, yet there are no guards or platform staff in WA or Victoria. Why? Let's start by getting rid of guards on the Suburban system, who haven't been needed for at least 7-8 decades and cause the most disruption to the most people.
NSW does not care about efficiency, they keep thousands of redundant jobs to keep the people happy. I reckon they could cut spending by 65% and no one would notice a difference.
Great video, like always. Keep it up!
Thank you as always! 😄
Excellent video of the interior of the Dset. They will have to change the logo to Sydney Trains as the interurban fleet now comes under the Sydney Trains Network. I have a problem with the seats not being flippable, especially when these trains will be covering journeys of up to 3 hours in length which is quite a problem for those who suffer with motion sickness and vertigo. I like the colour scheme. However, the doors on the rest of the fleet are yellow to assist those who are vision impaired, which is supposed to be a requirement under TFNSW rules. Excellent video, well done 👏
Thank you. Yes, I agree with the seats, I think they thought it’d me okay to sacrifice Flippable seats in order to have charging ports and a tray table onboard. They definitely could have thought of something else. 👍
@paintbrushguy That is true for most people but there are a number of people that for medical reasons can't travel backwards. Flippable seats can still have all the features you mentioned.
@@trainspottingdownunder I'd be quite happy without a tray given laptops can quite easily go on a lap.
@@aussiejohn5835what is a medical reason that prevents backwards seating?
They could implement chargers on the walls, power plugs under the seat, and have a retractable armrest UNDER the seat, so you pull it out, same with the tray table, with no compromise like the V Set!
Nice! Can’t wait till they will enter service!
One of the rare instances where you actually don't want the XPT to show up at the platform. 😂
Probably the D sets are the only brand new train that I’m looking forward to entering service, the NERF trains that are replacing the XPT, Xplorer and Endeavour (N set) not so much
Will be interesting to see if the bike rack can handle a XL 29er Mountain bike ??? Fixed & less seats. FFS.
Can't we just get a modern V-set?
So true. The D sets are really like an Oscar 2.0, not a V set 2.0.
1:46 is tv screen. tell you next stop is sydney
I wish they had seats like the Vlocity. They’re so comfortable 😢.
2:29 Damn these new D sets have got full on power plugs for your phones lol
Nice
I appreciate it. 😊
It would be cool if they had a surf board holder for the sco line
Nice to see the on-board marketing starting to reach the same levels as the Tangara. Sort of.
1:40 It’s most likely a smoke alarm for that vestibule
Couldn’t they have made the carriages a bit longer like on the V Sets? Not only would it free up space for both those that live outside of Sydney and those that catch it as an express train (I.e. to Penrith or Hornsby from the city) but it would differentiate it as an Intercity train from Urban trains. It looks similar to our newer Urban fleet.
But with that said, I do like the look.
The shorter cars are much smarter as they can take corners are slightly higher speeds. You could also add 2 cars to the 4 car set to make 12 cars for future trains.
OK so when are these train due to go into service? Seems the testing has been going on since the dinosaurs roamed the EARTH
In 21-never
Wonder how the bike rack area will work - will cyclists have to rush along the platform to reach it? As it is now, as soon as the train stops you have staff whistling to hurry up and get in before the doors close. Will they mark the platform area on each station network wide with paint as to where they should wait? Can't see how this will work.
at least the doors will already be open and you won't have to get both sides open with one hand as you hold your bike. But yes better hope you're near the car, because otherwise you need to look at the number of cars and use your train knowledge to figure out where to wait XD
You'll learn where to stand, as we do now. This will just make it simpler and easier to use
@@ABC-rb5uf the issue I'm foreseeing is that 10 car trains will be asymmetrical, so the bike car won't always be in the same place. So at most, you might need to run 2 cars down.
that black thing at 1:37 is probably a camera
Great to get a sneak peek!
I'm so sad they aren't improving the guard operations...
I was hoping they were changing operation models to be similar to UK where the guard walls through the train checking tickets and operating the doors from closest door to where they are...
Would have been a safety & compliance upgrade.
I'm like you and disappointed in the train, I feel intercity should have a luggage & bike rack (edit: i looked at TfNSW and some sets do have!), great to see the charging ports and tray tables though.
Note: not due to enter service until 2nd half 2024!!! 4 years after arriving 🤦🏼♂️😡🤬
Re : the guards,
That is the real reason why the unions were pushing back on these trains. The guards were going to be customer service as per UK bu tthe unions threw a fit.
Today, I was on the train, AND I LITRELLY SAID, IT'LL BE GOOD IF THEY HAD SEATS LIKE AIRCAFT"
Do they have 8 car sets?
Just do 2 4-car sets coupled together xD
The joys of not communicating properly. I have seen many organisations create troubles where staff at any level has a😮"assumed" and made a rod for others' backs by not listeni g or asking. Who" Assumed" in this case and did not include all parties in the discussion?
Typical D set cheap and nasty. Not comparable to the 35-50 year old V sets built by the company my Father worked for Comeng, who also built the XPT. Seat backs on the D set appear thin and flimsy and mostly likely become uncomfortable in no greater than 10 minutes of travel time. No vestibule door to keep the passenger compartment warm when the external doors are open, travelling in Winter from Mount Victoria. Least of all reversible seating, I am sorry if I am travelling over an hour on a train I prefer not to travel backwards. Overall pretty typical for a trained ordered by yuppies from the North Shore, who have no life experience other than making a career out of politics. Remember everyone Australia cant build trains as according to ex NSW Premier Gladys B 🤦♂️
Comeng built quality
Blah blah
They're removed reversable seats again. 🙄
Like the rest of the world. People want table trays for laptops, plugs etc and you need fixed seating for this. In the rest of the world people are fine with this. Also, these are high back seats (should be similar to newer airline seats, just heavier) and you would require slightly more room in-between seats (or a much harder straight back) to fit them in.
Nice
Cheers :)